Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-07 Thread Mike Spreitzer
In addition to the other questions below, I was wondering if you could explain why you included all those integer IDs; aren't the UUIDs sufficient? Thanks, Mike From: Mike Spreitzer/Watson/IBM@IBMUS To: "Yathiraj Udupi (yudupi)" , Cc: OpenStack Development Mail

[openstack-dev] [Scheduler] simpler policy example, with a picture

2013-10-07 Thread Mike Spreitzer
See the picture at https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1nridrUUwNaDrHQoGwSJ_KXYC7ik09wUuV3vXw1MyvlY and the writeup at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ecr1zXpU4zMvEySmbD-wwxLPfinndb0eaKgMuALOb2I This is not as small as possible, but not terribly large; there are only 8 VM instances. I want

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-07 Thread Mike Spreitzer
On second thought, I should revise and extend my remarks. This message supersedes my previous two replies. Thanks. I have a few questions. First, I am a bit stymied by the style of API documentation used in that document and many others: it shows the first line of an HTTP request but says no

Re: [openstack-dev] [Climate] Questions and comments

2013-10-08 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Yes, that helps. Please, guys, do not interpret my questions as hostility, I really am just trying to understand. I think there is some overlap between your concerns and mine, and I hope we can work together. Sticking to the physical reservations for the moment, let me ask for a little more e

Re: [openstack-dev] [Climate] Questions and comments

2013-10-08 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Sylvain: please do not interpret my questions as hostility. I am only trying to understand your proposal, but I am still confused. Can you please walk through a scenario involving Climate reservations on virtual resources? I mean from start to finish, outlining which party makes which decisi

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-08 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Thanks for the clue about where the request/response bodies are documented. Is there any convenient way to view built documentation for Havana right now? You speak repeatedly of the desire for "clean" interfaces, and nobody could disagree with such words. I characterize my desire that way too

Re: [openstack-dev] [Climate] Questions and comments

2013-10-09 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Thanks, that helps a lot. At what point in the process is it decided (and by what) which host will run the VM instance? Is that host picked from the same pool as is used for non-reserved instances? How does the outline go if there is not enough capacity for the reserved instance? Thanks, Mik

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Mike Spreitzer
I favor separation of concerns. I think (4), at least, has got nothing to do with infrastructure orchestration, the primary concern of today's heat engine. I advocate (4), but as separate functionality. Regards, Mike Alex Rudenko wrote on 10/09/2013 12:59:22 PM: > From: Alex Rudenko > To:

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-09 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Yes, there is more than the northbound API to discuss. Gary started us there in the Scheduler chat on Oct 1, when he broke the issues down like this: 11:12:22 AM garyk: 1. a user facing API 11:12:41 AM garyk: 2. understanding which resources need to be tracked 11:12:48 AM garyk: 3. backend impl

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-09 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Debojyoti Dutta wrote on 10/09/2013 02:48:26 AM: > > Mike, I agree we could have a cleaner API but I am not sure how > cleanly it will integrate with current nova which IMO should be test > we should pass (assuming we do cross services later) I think the cleaner APIs integrate with Nova as well a

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-10 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Regarding Alex's question of which component does holistic infrastructure scheduling, I hesitate to simply answer "heat". Heat is about orchestration, and infrastructure scheduling is another matter. I have attempted to draw pictures to sort this out, see https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1Y

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-11 Thread Mike Spreitzer
I'll be at the summit too. Available Nov 4 if we want to do some prep then. It will be my first summit, I am not sure how overbooked my summit time will be. Regards, Mike From: Sylvain Bauza To: OpenStack Development Mailing List , Cc: Mike Spreitzer/Watson/IBM@IBMUS

[openstack-dev] [scheduler] Policy Model

2013-10-14 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Could we agree on the following small changes to the model you posted last week? 1. Rename InstanceGroupPolicy to InstanceGroupPolicyUse 2. In InstanceGroupPolicy[Use], rename the "policy" field to "policy_type" 3. Add an InstanceGroupPolicyUseProperty table, holding key/value pairs (two s

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] Policy Model

2013-10-14 Thread Mike Spreitzer
inline into the InstanceGroupPolicy[Use] class. Regards, Mike From: "Yathiraj Udupi (yudupi)" To: Mike Spreitzer/Watson/IBM@IBMUS, Cc: OpenStack Development Mailing List Date: 10/14/2013 01:38 PM Subject:Re: [scheduler] Policy Model Mike, Like I proposed in m

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-14 Thread Mike Spreitzer
That came through beautifully formatted to me, but it looks much worse in the archive. I'm going to use crude email tech here, so that I know it won't lose anything in handling. "Yathiraj Udupi (yudupi)" wrote on 10/14/2013 01:17:47 PM: > I read your email where you expressed concerns regard

Re: [openstack-dev] Scheduler meeting and Icehouse Summit

2013-10-14 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Yes, Rethinking Scheduler Design http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/34 is not the same as the performance issue that Boris raised. I think the former would be a natural consequence of moving to an optimization-based joint decision-making framework, because such a thing necessarily takes

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] Policy Model

2013-10-14 Thread Mike Spreitzer
"Yathiraj Udupi (yudupi)" wrote on 10/14/2013 11:43:34 PM: > ... > > For the policy model, you can expect rows in the DB each > representing different policy instances something like- > {id: , uuid: "SOME-UUID-1", name: "anti-colocation-1", type: > "anti-colocation", properties: {lev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal

2013-10-15 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Steve Baker wrote on 10/15/2013 06:48:53 PM: > From: Steve Baker > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org, > Date: 10/15/2013 06:51 PM > Subject: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal > > I've just written some proposals to address Heat's HOT software > configuration needs

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal

2013-10-15 Thread Mike Spreitzer
The threading in the archive includes this discussion under the "HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows" heading, and the overall ordering in the archive looks very mixed up to me. I am going to reply here, hoping that the new subject line will be subject to less strange ordering in

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal

2013-10-16 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Steven Hardy wrote on 10/16/2013 04:11:40 AM: > ... > IMO we should be abstracting the software configuration complexity behind a > Heat resource interface, not pushing it up to a pre-processor (which > implies some horribly complex interfaces at the heat template level) I am not sure I follow.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal

2013-10-16 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Zane Bitter wrote on 10/16/2013 08:25:38 AM: > To answer your question, the key thing that Heat does is take in two > declarative models and generate a workflow to transform one into the > other. (The general case of this is a stack update, where the two models > are defined in the previous a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal

2013-10-16 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Zane Bitter wrote on 10/16/2013 10:30:44 AM: > On 16/10/13 15:58, Mike Spreitzer wrote: > ... > > Thanks for a great short sharp answer. In that light, I see a concern. > > Once a workflow has been generated, the system has lost the ability to > > adapt to change

Re: [openstack-dev] Scheduler meeting and Icehouse Summit

2013-10-16 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Mike Wilson wrote on 10/16/2013 07:13:17 PM: > I need to understand better what "holistic scheduling" means, ... By "holistic" I simply mean making a joint decision all at once about a bunch of related resources of a variety of types. For example, making a joint decision about where to place

Re: [openstack-dev] Change in openstack/heat[master]: Implement a Heat-native resource group

2013-10-17 Thread Mike Spreitzer
What is the rationale for this new feature? Since there is already an autoscaling group implemented by Heat, what is the added benefit here? And why is it being done as another heat-native thing rather than as an independent service (e.g., as outlined in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Au

Re: [openstack-dev] Change in openstack/heat[master]: Implement a Heat-native resource group

2013-10-17 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Clint Byrum wrote on 10/17/2013 09:16:12 PM: > Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2013-10-17 17:19:58 -0700: > > What is the rationale for this new feature? Since there is already an > > autoscaling group implemented by Heat, what is the added benefit here? And > > why is it being don

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal

2013-10-19 Thread Mike Spreitzer
(I really do not understand how the archive is ordered. In the by-thread view, in which all messages with this subject are equally indented, the last message listed is not the chronologically last.) I see that components have parameters. In some uses (invocations) of components, parameters ar

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal

2013-10-21 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Steve Baker wrote on 10/15/2013 06:48:53 PM: > I've just written some proposals to address Heat's HOT software > configuration needs, and I'd like to use this thread to get some feedback: > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/hot-software-config > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/He

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-22 Thread Mike Spreitzer
"Yathiraj Udupi (yudupi)" wrote on 10/15/2013 03:08:32 AM: > I have made some edits to the document: https://docs.google.com/ > document/d/17OIiBoIavih-1y4zzK0oXyI66529f-7JTCVj-BcXURA/edit?pli=1# > ... One other minor thing to discuss in the modeling is metadata. I am not eager to totally go

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Network topologies [and more]

2013-10-28 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Zane Bitter wrote on 10/28/2013 06:47:50 AM: > On 27/10/13 16:37, Edgar Magana wrote: > > Heat Developers, > > > > I am one of the core developers for Neutron who is lately working on the > > concept of "Network Topologies". I want to discuss with you if the > > following blueprint will make sens

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Comments on Steve Baker's Proposal on HOT Software Config

2013-10-28 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Steve Baker wrote on 10/28/2013 04:24:30 PM: > On 10/29/2013 02:53 AM, Steven Hardy wrote: > > ... > > Can anyone provide me with a clear argument for what the "fundamental > > differences" actually are? > ... > Since writing those proposals my thinking has evolved too. I'm currently > thinking i

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][scheduler] Instance Group Model and APIs - Updated document with an example request payload

2013-10-29 Thread Mike Spreitzer
"Yathiraj Udupi (yudupi)" wrote on 10/29/2013 02:46:30 AM: > The Instance Group API document is now updated with a simple example > request payload of a nested group, and some description of how the > API implementation should handle the registration of the components > of a nested instance gr

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][scheduler] Instance Group Model and APIs - Updated document with an example request payload

2013-10-29 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Alex Glikson wrote on 10/29/2013 03:37:41 AM: > 1. I assume that the motivation for rack-level anti-affinity is to > survive a rack failure. Is this indeed the case? > This is a very interesting and important scenario, but I am curious > about your assumptions regarding all the other OpenStack

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][scheduler] Instance Group Model and APIs - Updated document with an example request payload

2013-10-29 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Khanh-Toan Tran wrote on 10/29/2013 09:10:00 AM: > ... > 1) Member of a group is recursive. A member can be group or an > instance. In this case there are two different declaration formats > for members, as with http-server-group-1 ("name, "policy", "edge") > and Http-Server-1 ("name", "reques

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][scheduler] Instance Group Model and APIs - Updated document with an example request payload

2013-10-29 Thread Mike Spreitzer
John Garbutt wrote on 10/29/2013 07:29:19 AM: > ... > Its looking good, but I was thinking about a slightly different approach: > > * I would like to see instance groups be used to describe all > scheduler hints (including, please run on cell X, or please run on > hypervisor Y) I think Yathi's

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][scheduler] Instance Group Model and APIs - Updated document with an example request payload

2013-10-29 Thread Mike Spreitzer
I should clarify my comment about invoking Heat to do the orchestration. I think we have a choice between designing a 1-stage API vs a 2-stage API. The 2-stage API goes like this: first the client defines the top-level group and everything inside it, then the client makes more calls to create t

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][scheduler] Instance Group Model and APIs - Updated document with an example request payload

2013-10-29 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Following is my reaction to the last few hours of discussion. Russell Bryant wrote "Nova calling heat to orchestrate Nova seems fundamentally wrong". I am not totally happy about this either, but would you be OK with Nova orchestrating Nova? To me, that seems worse --- duplicating functionali

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-dev][Nova][Discussion]Blueprint : Auto VM Discovery in OpenStack for existing workload

2013-10-30 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Swapnil Kulkarni wrote on 10/30/2013 02:36:37 AM: > I had a discussion with russellb regarding this for yesterday, I > would like to discuss this with the team regarding the blueprint > mentioned in subject. > > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/auto-vm-discovery-on-hypervisor >

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-dev][Nova][Discussion]Blueprint : Auto VM Discovery in OpenStack for existing workload

2013-10-30 Thread Mike Spreitzer
"Daniel P. Berrange" wrote on 10/30/2013 12:38:21 PM: > ... This avoids any need to deal with the hard problems of adopting > arbitrary VMs. Sorry, my writing was unclear. I did not mean another use case for adopting VMs; I mean another use case for VM discovery. Regards, Mike

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][scheduler] Instance Group Model and APIs - Updated document with an example request payload

2013-10-30 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Alex Glikson wrote on 10/30/2013 02:26:08 AM: > Mike Spreitzer wrote on 30/10/2013 06:11:04 AM: > > Date: 30/10/2013 06:12 AM > > > > Alex also wrote: > > ``I wonder whether it is possible to find an approach that takes > > into account cross-resource p

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-30 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Clint Byrum wrote on 10/30/2013 01:42:53 PM: > ... > > The engine should store _all_ of its state in a distributed data store > of some kind. Any engine should be aware of what is already happening > with the stack from this state and act accordingly. That includes the > engine currently working

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Comments on Steve Baker's Proposal on HOT Software Config

2013-10-30 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Lakshminaraya Renganarayana/Watson/IBM@IBMUS wrote on 10/30/2013 03:35:32 PM: > Zane Bitter wrote on 10/29/2013 08:46:21 AM: > ... > In this method > > (i.e. option (2) above) shouldn't we be building the dependency graph in > > Heat rather than running through them sequentially as specified

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration refined after design summit discussions

2013-11-12 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Zane Bitter wrote on 11/12/2013 12:06:14 PM: > ... However, if > for any reason you have a dict key starting with "$" and we interpret > that specially, then you are basically hosed since you almost certainly > _needed_ it to actually start with "$" for a reason. So -1. > > cheers, > Zane. Y

[openstack-dev] [Nova] question about DB migration difficulty

2013-11-13 Thread Mike Spreitzer
This is a follow-up to the design summit discussion about DB migrations. There was concern about the undo-ability of some migrations. The specific example cited was removal of a column. Could that be done with the following three migrations, each undo-able? First, change the code to keep wri

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration refined after design summit discussions

2013-11-14 Thread Mike Spreitzer
It seems to me we have been discussing a proposal whose write-up intertwines two ideas: (1) making software components look like resources, and (2) using nested stacks and environments to achieve the pattern of definitions and uses. The ideas are separable, and I think the discussion has sort

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] question about DB migration difficulty

2013-11-14 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Michael Still wrote on 11/13/2013 04:27:17 PM: > ... > This was actually discussed in the session as an example of how other > projects handle these problems. Our concerns (IIRC) were that it would > take even more patches to land, and each of those patches is quite > hard to land in nova these da

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] rough draft of Heat autoscaling API

2013-11-15 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Zane Bitter wrote on 11/14/2013 12:56:22 PM: > ... > My 2c: the way I designed the Heat API was such that extant stacks can > be addressed uniquely by name. Humans are pretty good with names, not so > much with 128 bit numbers. The consequences of this for the design were: > - names must be

[openstack-dev] [Nova] Does Nova really need an SQL database?

2013-11-18 Thread Mike Spreitzer
There were some concerns expressed at the summit about scheduler scalability in Nova, and a little recollection of Boris' proposal to keep the needed state in memory. I also heard one guy say that he thinks Nova does not really need a general SQL database, that a NOSQL database with a bit of d

Re: [openstack-dev] Stats on blueprint design info / creation times

2013-08-21 Thread Mike Spreitzer
For the case of an item that has no significant doc of its own but is related to an extensive blueprint, how about linking to that extensive blueprint? ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/m

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Frustrations with review wait times

2013-08-27 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Joshua, I do not think such a strict and coarse scheduling is a practical way to manage developers, who have highly individualized talents, backgrounds, and interests. Regards, Mike ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] Scaling of TripleO

2013-09-09 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Robert Collins wrote on 09/06/2013 05:31:14 PM: > From: Robert Collins > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List , > Date: 09/06/2013 05:36 PM > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] Scaling of TripleO > > ... > My vision for TripleO/undercloud and scale in the long term is: > - A fully redu

Re: [openstack-dev] [savanna] Program name and Mission statement

2013-09-10 Thread Mike Spreitzer
A quick dictionary lookup of "data processing" yields the following. I wonder if you mean something more specific. data processing |ˈˌdædə ˈprɑsɛsɪŋ| noun a series of operations on data, esp. by a computer, to retrieve, transform, or classify information. From: Matthew Farrellee To: O

[openstack-dev] [heat] Comments/questions on the instance-group-api-extension blueprint

2013-09-10 Thread Mike Spreitzer
First, I'm a newbie here, wondering: is this the right place for comments/questions on blueprints? Supposing it is... I am referring to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/instance-group-api-extension In my own research group we have experience with a few systems that do something lik

Re: [openstack-dev] [savanna] Program name and Mission statement

2013-09-10 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Jon Maron wrote on 09/10/2013 08:50:23 PM: > From: Jon Maron > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List , > Cc: OpenStack Development Mailing List > Date: 09/10/2013 08:55 PM > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [savanna] Program name and Mission statement > > Openstack Big Data Platform Let's se

Re: [openstack-dev] [savanna] Program name and Mission statement

2013-09-11 Thread Mike Spreitzer
> To provide a simple, reliable and repeatable mechanism by which to > deploy Hadoop and related Big Data projects, including management, > monitoring and processing mechanisms driving further adoption of OpenStack. That sounds like it is at about the right level of specificity. ___

[openstack-dev] The OVS and Provider Networks section of the guide to Neutron in DevStack

2015-10-20 Thread Mike Spreitzer
First let me make sure I understand what this section ( http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/guides/neutron.html#neutron-networking-with-open-vswitch-and-provider-networks ) is trying to say. The second paragraph is saying that some infrastructure provider has allocated a VLAN tag (and th

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Multiple locations for documentation of features

2015-12-08 Thread Mike Spreitzer
> From: Henry Gessau > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > > Date: 12/04/2015 02:23 PM > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Multiple locations for > documentation of features > > Sean M. Collins wrote: > > I've noticed that a lot of features are now being

Re: [openstack-dev] [Kuryr] [Neutron] Waiting until Neutron PortisActive

2016-06-11 Thread Mike Spreitzer
What about pinging? BTW, from where would the pings come? In the Docker/Swarm API today there is no way to disable ping. However, once Kuryr's libnetwork plugin is updated so that `docker network connect --ip=W.X.Y.Z ...` will latch onto a matching pre-existing Neutron Port, if it exists, the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Kuryr] [Neutron] Controlling security groups through Kuryr's libnetwork plugin [was: Waiting until Neutron PortisActive]

2016-06-12 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Antoni Segura Puimedon wrote on 06/11/2016 07:39:41 PM: > Well, with a label you can make the Neutron Port have an SG that > forbids pinging. Wait, what? Labels on what can do what? Thanks, Mike __ OpenStack Developmen

Re: [openstack-dev] [devstack][neutron] Eliminating the DevStack layer

2016-04-08 Thread Mike Spreitzer
I like this, for a reason not mentioned. I am not a Neutron dev or operator and have never learned how to deploy Neutron; I have always driven it through DevStack. The documentation for that has never been adequate, and I have concluded it will never be adequate. With inadequate documentatio

[openstack-dev] [kuryr] Question for Antoni Puimedon about load balancers and overlay networks

2016-05-02 Thread Mike Spreitzer
I am looking at https://www.openstack.org/videos/video/project-kuryr-docker-delivered-kubernetes-next , around 28:00. You have said that overlay networks are involved, and are now talking about load balancers. Is this Neutron LBaaS? As far as I know, a Neutron LBaaS instance is "one-armed"

[openstack-dev] [neutron] [designate] multi-tenancy in Neutron's DNS integration

2016-05-09 Thread Mike Spreitzer
I just read http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/networking-guide/adv-config-dns.html and, unless I missed something, it seems to be describing something that is not multi-tenant. I am focused on FQDNs for Neutron Ports. For those, only the "hostname" part (the first label, in official DNS jargon

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [designate] multi-tenancy in Neutron's DNS integration

2016-05-09 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Neutron's DNS integration > > On 09/05/2016 19:21, Mike Spreitzer wrote: > > I just read > > http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/networking-guide/adv-config-dns.htmland > , unless > > I missed something, it seems to be describing something that is not > > multi

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [designate] multi-tenancy in Neutron's DNS integration

2016-05-09 Thread Mike Spreitzer
"Hayes, Graham" wrote on 05/09/2016 04:08:07 PM: > ... > On 09/05/2016 20:55, Mike Spreitzer wrote: > ... > > Oh, right, the network gets to specify the rest of the FQDN. In my case > > I am interested in Neutron Ports on tenant networks. So with a per-port &

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [designate] multi-tenancy in Neutron's DNS integration

2016-05-10 Thread Mike Spreitzer
"Hayes, Graham" wrote on 05/10/2016 09:30:26 AM: > ... > > Ah, that may be what I want. BTW, I am not planning to use Nova. I am > > planning to use Swarm and Kubernetes to create containers attached to > > Neutron private tenant networks. What DNS server would I configure > > those container

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [designate] multi-tenancy in Neutron's DNS integration

2016-05-11 Thread Mike Spreitzer
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Kevin Benton wrote: > neutron subnet-show with the UUID of the subnet they have a port on > will tell you. > > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:40 AM, Mike Spreitzer wrote: > "Hayes, Graham" wrote on 05/10/2016 09:30:26 AM: > >

[openstack-dev] [devstack] [neutron] Procedure for back-porting a bug fix to stable/liberty branch of a Neutron script in DevStack?

2016-01-03 Thread Mike Spreitzer
I would like to back-port https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242721/ --- which fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1469596 --- to stable/liberty. I have contributed to main line development before, but not stable branches. I see that http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.

Re: [openstack-dev] [devstack] [neutron] Procedure for back-porting a bug fix to stable/liberty branch of a Neutron script in DevStack?

2016-01-03 Thread Mike Spreitzer
in DevStack? > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Mike Spreitzer wrote: > I would like to back-port https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242721/ > --- which fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1469596--- > to stable/liberty. I have contributed to main line development >

Re: [openstack-dev] [devstack] [neutron] Procedure for back-porting a bug fix to stable/liberty branch of a Neutron script in DevStack?

2016-01-04 Thread Mike Spreitzer
in DevStack? > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Mike Spreitzer wrote: > I would like to back-port https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242721/ > --- which fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1469596--- > to stable/liberty. I have contributed to main line development >

[openstack-dev] [devstack] [neutron] Progress, and current problems

2016-01-05 Thread Mike Spreitzer
I have been trying to get http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/guides/neutron.html#using-neutron-with-a-single-interface working on Ubuntu 14.04 (updated to the latest, which includes kernel 3.19). With the latest sources and a sufficiently recent OVS, the one-node install pretty much

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] MTU configuration pain

2016-01-23 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Adam Lawson wrote on 01/23/2016 02:27:46 PM: > For the sake of over-simplification, is there ever a reason to NOT > enable jumbo frames in a cloud/SDN context where most of the traffic > is between virtual elements that all support it? I understand that > some switches do not support it and tra

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] MTU configuration pain

2016-01-25 Thread Mike Spreitzer
BTW, regarding devstack: See https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1532924. I have been trying to get the current code to work, following the ideas in https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/fuel-specs/specs/7.0/jumbo-frames-between-instances.html#proposed-change . It fails only at the last s

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][neutron][devstack] New proposed 'default' network model

2015-09-15 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Monty Taylor wrote on 09/15/2015 11:04:07 AM: > a) an update to python-novaclient to allow a named network to be passed > to satisfy the "you have more than one network" - the nics argument is > still useful for more complex things I am not using the latest, but rather Juno. I find that in ma

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][neutron][devstack] New proposed 'default' network model

2015-09-15 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Clark Boylan wrote on 09/15/2015 04:06:26 PM: > > I also strongly recommend to users to put vms on a private network and > > use floating ip's/load balancers. For many reasons. Such as, if you > > don't, the ip that gets assigned to the vm helps it become a pet. you > > can't replace the vm and g

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][neutron][devstack] New proposed 'default' network model

2015-09-15 Thread Mike Spreitzer
"Armando M." wrote on 09/15/2015 03:50:24 PM: > On 15 September 2015 at 10:02, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Excerpts from Armando M.'s message of 2015-09-15 09:30:35 -0700: ... > As with the Glance image upload API discussion, this is an example > of an extremely common use case that is either comple

[openstack-dev] [devstack] Is there a way to configure devstack for one flat external network using Kilo, Neutron?

2015-09-28 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Is there a way to configure devstack to install Neutron such that there is just one network and that is an external network and Nova can create Compute Instances on it, using projects of Kilo vintage? Thanks, Mike __ Open

Re: [openstack-dev] Compute API (Was Re: [nova][cinder] how to handle AZ bug 1496235?)

2015-09-28 Thread Mike Spreitzer
> From: Monty Taylor > To: Sylvain Bauza , "OpenStack Development > Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > Date: 09/28/2015 09:54 AM > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Compute API (Was Re: [nova][cinder] how > to handle AZ bug 1496235?) > > ... > Specifically, I want "nova boot" to get me a VM w

Re: [openstack-dev] [magnum]swarm + compose = k8s?

2015-09-28 Thread Mike Spreitzer
> From: 王华 > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > > Date: 09/28/2015 11:34 PM > Subject: [openstack-dev] [magnum]swarm + compose = k8s? > > Hi folks, > > Magnum now exposes service, pod, etc to users in kubernetes coe, but > exposes container in swarm coe. As I

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] -1 due to line length violation in commit messages

2015-09-30 Thread Mike Spreitzer
> From: Gorka Eguileor > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > > Date: 09/29/2015 07:34 AM > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] -1 due to line length violation > in commit messages ... > Since we are not all native speakers expecting everyone to realize that > dif

[openstack-dev] A few questions on configuring DevStack for Neutron

2015-10-03 Thread Mike Spreitzer
I have been looking at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/guides/neutron.html and wonder about a few things. In the section http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/guides/neutron.html#using-neutron-with-a-single-interface there is a helpful display of localrc contents. It says

[openstack-dev] [devstack] A few questions on configuring DevStack for Neutron

2015-10-04 Thread Mike Spreitzer
[Apologies for re-posting, but I botched the subject line the first time and know that people use filters.] I have been looking at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/guides/neutron.html and wonder about a few things. In the section http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/guides

[openstack-dev] [devstack] [neutron] A larger batch of questions about configuring DevStack to use Neutron

2015-10-06 Thread Mike Spreitzer
[Sorry, but I do not know if the thundering silence is because these questions are too hard, too easy, grossly off-topic, or simply because nobody cares.] I have been looking at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/guides/neutron.htmland wonder about a few things. In the section http

Re: [openstack-dev] [devstack] [neutron] A larger batch of questions about configuring DevStack to use Neutron

2015-10-08 Thread Mike Spreitzer
> From: "Sean M. Collins" ... > > On Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 11:25:03AM EDT, Mike Spreitzer wrote: > > [Sorry, but I do not know if the thundering silence is because these > > questions are too hard, too easy, grossly off-topic, or simply because > > nobo

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Recording little everyday OpenStack successes

2015-10-09 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Thierry Carrez wrote on 10/09/2015 05:42:49 AM: ... > So whenever you feel like you made progress, or had a little success in > your OpenStack adventures, or have some joyful moment to share, just > throw the following message on your local IRC channel: > > #success [Your message here] > > The

Re: [openstack-dev] [devstack] [neutron] A larger batch of questions about configuring DevStack to use Neutron

2015-10-12 Thread Mike Spreitzer
--- From:"Sean M. Collins" To:"OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" Date:Mon, Oct 12, 2015 11:34Subject:Re: [openstack-dev] [devstack] [neutron] A larger batch of questions about configuring DevStack to use Neutron On Thu, Oct 08, 2015 at 01:47:31PM

Re: [openstack-dev] [devstack] [neutron] A larger batch of questions about configuring DevStack to use Neutron

2015-10-13 Thread Mike Spreitzer
> On Thu, Oct 08, 2015 at 01:47:31PM EDT, Mike Spreitzer wrote: > > .. > > > > In the section > > > > http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/guides/ > > > neutron.html#using-neutron-with-a-single-interface > > &

Re: [openstack-dev] [devstack] A few questions on configuring DevStack for Neutron

2015-10-14 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Matt Riedemann wrote on 10/08/2015 09:48:33 PM: > On 10/8/2015 11:38 AM, Sean M. Collins wrote: > > Please see my response here: > > > > http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076251.html > > > > In the future, do not create multiple threads since responses will get >

Re: [openstack-dev] [devstack] [neutron] A larger batch of questions about configuring DevStack to use Neutron

2015-10-15 Thread Mike Spreitzer
> From: Mike Spreitzer/Watson/IBM@IBMUS > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List \(not for usage questions\)" > > Date: 10/13/2015 03:39 AM > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [devstack] [neutron] A larger batch of > questions about configuring DevStack to use Neutron &

Re: [openstack-dev] [devstack] [neutron] A larger batch of questions about configuring DevStack to use Neutron

2015-10-17 Thread Mike Spreitzer
> questions about configuring DevStack to use Neutron > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 02:02:57AM EDT, Mike Spreitzer wrote: > > Now I have tested the first section (taking the latest of both changes) > > using stable/liberty, and it failed because br-ex was not created >

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [fwaas] -IPv6 support in Kilo

2015-06-02 Thread Mike Spreitzer
> From: Rukhsana Ansari > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Date: 06/02/2015 01:59 PM > Subject: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [fwaas] -IPv6 support in Kilo > > Hi, > > I was browsing the code to understand IPv6 support For FWaaS in Kilo. > > I don't see a restriction in the db code or in r

[openstack-dev] [devstack] [neutron] How to ask for linuxbridge instead of openvswitch

2016-02-29 Thread Mike Spreitzer
How would I modify the recipe at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/guides/neutron.html#using-neutron-with-a-single-interface to get linuxbridge instead of openvswitch? Thanks, Mike __ OpenStack Development Mai

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] - Changing the Neutron default security group rules

2016-03-02 Thread Mike Spreitzer
"Sean M. Collins" wrote on 03/02/2016 12:38:29 PM: > I think that the default security group should be left as is - and users > should be trained that they should bring/create security groups with the > appropriate rules for their need. Could we at least make it less difficult to figure out whic

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] - Changing the Neutron default security group rules

2016-03-02 Thread Mike Spreitzer
"Sean M. Collins" wrote on 03/02/2016 01:16:52 PM: > Meaning your users are creating new security groups and naming them > "default" - so you have the "default" default (heh) and then the one > that they created named default? > > Are security group names in Nova-Net unqiue? I seem to recall tha

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] - Changing the Neutron default security group rules

2016-03-02 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Kevin Benton wrote on 03/02/2016 01:27:27 PM: > Does it at least also include the UUID, or is there no way to tell > from 'nova show'? No direct way to tell, as far as I can see. __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not

[openstack-dev] [kuryr] Did kuryr need to know about Docker's cluster store?

2016-03-03 Thread Mike Spreitzer
On Feb 5 I was given a tarchive of kuryr with an install script that configures the docker daemon to use consul as its cluster store. If I modify the config of docker to use etcd instead then do I need to change anything in Kuryr? Thanks, Mike ___

Re: [openstack-dev] Heat: autoscaling across availability zones

2015-02-28 Thread Mike Spreitzer
> From: Weidong Shao > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > > Date: 02/28/2015 02:12 PM > Subject: [openstack-dev] Heat: autoscaling across availability zones > > From the heat template reference doc, it seems that auto-scaling > across AZs is not supported.

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron scaling datapoints?

2015-04-08 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Are you looking at scaling the numbers of tenants, Neutron routers, and tenant networks as you scale hosts and guests? I think this is a plausible way to grow. The compartmentalizations that comes with growing those things may make a difference in results. Thanks, Mike From: Neil Jerram

[openstack-dev] [neutron] multiple external networks on the same host NIC

2015-04-25 Thread Mike Spreitzer
As an operator, is there a way I can create two external networks from Neutron's point of view, where both of those networks are accessed through the same host NIC? Obviously those networks would be using different subnets. I need this sort of thing because the two subnets are treated differe

[openstack-dev] [neutron] IPv4 transition/interoperation with IPv6

2015-05-04 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Does Neutron support any of the 4/6 interoperation/transition techniques? I wear an operator's hat nowadays, and want to make IPv6 as useful and easy to use as possible for my tenants. I think the interoperation/transition techniques will play a big role in this. Thanks, Mike__

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] IPv4 transition/interoperation with IPv6

2015-05-05 Thread Mike Spreitzer
"Robert Li (baoli)" wrote on 05/05/2015 09:02:08 AM: > Currently dual stack is supported. Can you be specific on what > interoperation/transition techniques you are interested in? We’ve > been thinking about NAT64 (stateless or stateful). > > thanks, > Robert &g

Re: [openstack-dev] [designate] Status of the project

2017-02-10 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Joshua Harlow wrote on 02/10/2017 12:21:08 PM: > Knowing where this is at and the issues. It makes me wonder if it is > worthwhile to start thinking about how we can start to look at 'outside > the openstack' projects for DNS. I believe there is a few that are > similar enough to designate (th

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