Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-31 Thread Thierry Carrez
Stefano Maffulli wrote: > I have the feeling we keep going back to communicating expectations to > new participants to the community. Are we putting too much emphasis on > new commits and too little on new reviews? What do you think if from > now on the weekly newsletter would mention the new fi

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-30 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Wed 30 Oct 2013 03:29:32 AM PDT, Thierry Carrez wrote: > (1) Rating blueprints "low priority" doesn't mean they won't make it. It > means we have no idea if they will make it. Maybe the proposer doesn't > have a proven track record of hitting promised deadlines, maybe we don't > have core review

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-30 Thread Thierry Carrez
Stefano Maffulli wrote: > On 10/28/2013 10:28 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: >> 2) Setting clearer expectations. Since we have so many blueprints for >> Nova, I feel it's very important to accurately set expectations for how >> the priority of different projects compare. In the last cycle, >> prioriti

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-29 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/30/2013 02:26 AM, Tom Fifield wrote: > On 30/10/13 17:14, Russell Bryant wrote: >> On 10/29/2013 07:14 PM, Tom Fifield wrote: >>> So, how would you feel about giving some priority manipulation abilities >>> to the user committee? :) >> >> Abilities, no, but input, of course. > > Any practica

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-29 Thread Tom Fifield
On 30/10/13 17:14, Russell Bryant wrote: On 10/29/2013 07:14 PM, Tom Fifield wrote: On 30/10/13 07:58, Russell Bryant wrote: On 10/29/2013 04:24 PM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: On 10/28/2013 10:28 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: 2) Setting clearer expectations. Since we have so many blueprints for Nov

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-29 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/29/2013 07:14 PM, Tom Fifield wrote: > On 30/10/13 07:58, Russell Bryant wrote: >> On 10/29/2013 04:24 PM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: >>> On 10/28/2013 10:28 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: 2) Setting clearer expectations. Since we have so many blueprints for Nova, I feel it's very importan

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-29 Thread Tom Fifield
On 30/10/13 07:58, Russell Bryant wrote: On 10/29/2013 04:24 PM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: On 10/28/2013 10:28 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: 2) Setting clearer expectations. Since we have so many blueprints for Nova, I feel it's very important to accurately set expectations for how the priority of d

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-29 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/29/2013 04:24 PM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: > On 10/28/2013 10:28 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: >> 2) Setting clearer expectations. Since we have so many blueprints for >> Nova, I feel it's very important to accurately set expectations for how >> the priority of different projects compare. In the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-29 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 10/28/2013 10:28 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: > 2) Setting clearer expectations. Since we have so many blueprints for > Nova, I feel it's very important to accurately set expectations for how > the priority of different projects compare. In the last cycle, > priorities were mainly subjectively se

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-29 Thread John Garbutt
> John Garbutt wrote: >> On 25 October 2013 11:52, Nikola Đipanov wrote: >>> I don't have the numbers but I have a feeling that what happened in >>> Havana was that a lot of blueprints slipped until the time for feature >>> freeze. Reviewers thought it was a worthwile feature at that point (this >

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-29 Thread John Garbutt
On 28 October 2013 15:39, Anne Gentle wrote: > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:24 AM, John Garbutt wrote: >> Here is a really bad attempt at codifying what I think about features vs >> bugs: >> 1) If its a new API call, or a change in behaviour, or a new config >> setting, its a feature >> 2) If its ju

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-28 Thread Robert Collins
On 29 October 2013 03:24, John Garbutt wrote: >> I based that on this statement, which I think sums it up well "If the patch >> implements a feature, it should reference a blueprint. The blueprint should >> be approved before the patch is merged" >> >> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReviewCheckl

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-28 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/28/2013 11:35 AM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: > On 10/23/2013 08:33 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: >> At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the >> Nova blueprint process for the Icehouse cycle. I had hoped we could >> talk about and finalize this in a Nova design summit se

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-28 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/28/2013 12:16 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > John Garbutt wrote: >> On 25 October 2013 11:52, Nikola Đipanov wrote: >>> I don't have the numbers but I have a feeling that what happened in >>> Havana was that a lot of blueprints slipped until the time for feature >>> freeze. Reviewers thought it

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-28 Thread Thierry Carrez
John Garbutt wrote: > On 25 October 2013 11:52, Nikola Đipanov wrote: >> I don't have the numbers but I have a feeling that what happened in >> Havana was that a lot of blueprints slipped until the time for feature >> freeze. Reviewers thought it was a worthwile feature at that point (this >> was,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-28 Thread Anne Gentle
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:24 AM, John Garbutt wrote: > On 25 October 2013 10:18, Joe Gordon wrote: > > On Oct 24, 2013 9:14 PM, "Robert Collins" > wrote: > >> On 24 October 2013 04:33, Russell Bryant wrote: > >> > Greetings, > >> > > >> > At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-28 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 10/23/2013 08:33 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: > At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the > Nova blueprint process for the Icehouse cycle. I had hoped we could > talk about and finalize this in a Nova design summit session on "Nova > Project Structure and Process" [1],

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-28 Thread Joe Gordon
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM, John Garbutt wrote: > On 25 October 2013 10:18, Joe Gordon wrote: > > On Oct 24, 2013 9:14 PM, "Robert Collins" > wrote: > >> On 24 October 2013 04:33, Russell Bryant wrote: > >> > Greetings, > >> > > >> > At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-28 Thread John Garbutt
On 25 October 2013 10:18, Joe Gordon wrote: > On Oct 24, 2013 9:14 PM, "Robert Collins" wrote: >> On 24 October 2013 04:33, Russell Bryant wrote: >> > Greetings, >> > >> > At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the >> > Nova blueprint process for the Icehouse cycle. I

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-28 Thread John Garbutt
On 25 October 2013 11:52, Nikola Đipanov wrote: > On 23/10/13 17:33, Russell Bryant wrote: >> 4) Blueprint Prioritization >> I would like to do a better job of using priorities in Icehouse. The >> priority field services a couple of purposes: >> >> - helps reviewers prioritize their time >> >>

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-25 Thread Russell Bryant
It would be helpful if you could follow the reply style being used. :-) > -Original Message- > From: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbry...@redhat.com] > Sent: October-24-13 5:08 PM > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review pro

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-25 Thread Nikola Đipanov
On 23/10/13 17:33, Russell Bryant wrote: > > 4) Blueprint Prioritization > > I would like to do a better job of using priorities in Icehouse. The > priority field services a couple of purposes: > > - helps reviewers prioritize their time > > - helps set expectations for the submitter for h

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-25 Thread Joe Gordon
On Oct 24, 2013 9:14 PM, "Robert Collins" wrote: > > On 24 October 2013 04:33, Russell Bryant wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the > > Nova blueprint process for the Icehouse cycle. I had hoped we could > > talk about and finalize th

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Alan Kavanagh
al Message- From: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbry...@redhat.com] Sent: October-24-13 5:08 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process On 10/24/2013 10:52 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: > > > On 10/24/13 4:46 PM, "Dan Smith" wrot

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Robert Collins
On 24 October 2013 04:33, Russell Bryant wrote: > Greetings, > > At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the > Nova blueprint process for the Icehouse cycle. I had hoped we could > talk about and finalize this in a Nova design summit session on "Nova > Project Structure

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/24/2013 11:32 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Russell Bryant wrote: >> At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the >> Nova blueprint process for the Icehouse cycle. I had hoped we could >> talk about and finalize this in a Nova design summit session on "Nova >> Project

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Thierry Carrez
Russell Bryant wrote: > At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the > Nova blueprint process for the Icehouse cycle. I had hoped we could > talk about and finalize this in a Nova design summit session on "Nova > Project Structure and Process" [1], but I think we need to p

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Andrew Laski
On 10/24/13 at 11:07am, Russell Bryant wrote: On 10/24/2013 10:52 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: On 10/24/13 4:46 PM, "Dan Smith" wrote: In the last meeting we discussed an idea that I think is worth trying at least for icehouse-1 to see if we like it or not. The idea is that *every* blueprint sta

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/24/2013 10:52 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: > > > On 10/24/13 4:46 PM, "Dan Smith" wrote: > >>> In the last meeting we discussed an idea that I think is worth trying at >>> least for icehouse-1 to see if we like it or not. The idea is that >>> *every* blueprint starts out at a Low priority, whi

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/24/2013 07:43 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: > On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Russell Bryant > wrote: > > Here is a first cut at the process. Let me know what you think is > missing or should change. I'll get the result of this thread posted on > the wiki.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Gary Kotton
On 10/24/13 4:46 PM, "Dan Smith" wrote: >> In the last meeting we discussed an idea that I think is worth trying at >> least for icehouse-1 to see if we like it or not. The idea is that >> *every* blueprint starts out at a Low priority, which means "best >> effort, but no promises". For a blu

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Dan Smith
> In the last meeting we discussed an idea that I think is worth trying at > least for icehouse-1 to see if we like it or not. The idea is that > *every* blueprint starts out at a Low priority, which means "best > effort, but no promises". For a blueprint to get prioritized higher, it > should ha

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Joe Gordon
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: > Greetings, > > At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the > Nova blueprint process for the Icehouse cycle. I had hoped we could > talk about and finalize this in a Nova design summit session on "Nova > Project St

[openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-23 Thread Russell Bryant
Greetings, At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the Nova blueprint process for the Icehouse cycle. I had hoped we could talk about and finalize this in a Nova design summit session on "Nova Project Structure and Process" [1], but I think we need to push forward on fin