Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] [All?] "Status" vs "State"

2014-10-02 Thread Kevin Benton
>In other words, all our APIs would look like the Neutron API as it exists today. That's a bad comparison because the Neutron API doesn't have a standard that it follows at all. If there was a standard for states/statuses that Neutron was following for all of the objects, the status of the Neutron

Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] [All?] "Status" vs "State"

2014-10-02 Thread Chris Friesen
On 10/02/2014 01:47 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 10/02/2014 03:14 PM, Chris Friesen wrote: On 10/01/2014 12:37 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: IMO, the term "state" should be the only one used in the OpenStack APIs to refer to the condition of some thing at a point in time. The term "state" can and should be

Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] [All?] "Status" vs "State"

2014-10-02 Thread Jay Pipes
On 10/02/2014 03:14 PM, Chris Friesen wrote: On 10/01/2014 12:37 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: IMO, the term "state" should be the only one used in the OpenStack APIs to refer to the condition of some thing at a point in time. The term "state" can and should be prefaced with a refining descriptor such "

Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] [All?] "Status" vs "State"

2014-10-02 Thread Chris Friesen
On 10/01/2014 12:37 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: IMO, the term "state" should be the only one used in the OpenStack APIs to refer to the condition of some thing at a point in time. The term "state" can and should be prefaced with a refining descriptor such "task" or "power" to denote the *thing* that th

Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] [All?] "Status" vs "State"

2014-10-02 Thread Jay S. Bryant
On 10/02/2014 11:14 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 10/02/2014 11:23 AM, Jay S. Bryant wrote: As I re-read this I think maybe you have answered my question but want to be clear. You feel that 'State' is the only term that should be used. Based on the definitions above, that would make sense. The comp

Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] [All?] "Status" vs "State"

2014-10-02 Thread Jay Pipes
On 10/02/2014 11:23 AM, Jay S. Bryant wrote: As I re-read this I think maybe you have answered my question but want to be clear. You feel that 'State' is the only term that should be used. Based on the definitions above, that would make sense. The complication is there are may places in the co

Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] [All?] "Status" vs "State"

2014-10-02 Thread John Plocher
[Lurker popping up to get whacked :-)] >>>both "State" (admin_state_up) and "StatusĀ² are usually used in Neutron >>>resources... >>>but it seems the meaning of "State" and "Status" are reversed... >>> >>> I am really confused what is the right usage of these words >> >>state: the particular

Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] [All?] "Status" vs "State"

2014-10-02 Thread Jay S. Bryant
Good questions! Jay, I have a request for some clarification in-line. On 10/01/2014 01:37 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: Hi Akihiro! IMO, this is precisely where having an API standards working group can help to make the user experience of our public APIs less frustrating. Such a working group should

Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] [All?] "Status" vs "State"

2014-10-01 Thread Jay Pipes
Hi Akihiro! IMO, this is precisely where having an API standards working group can help to make the user experience of our public APIs less frustrating. Such a working group should have the ability to vet terms like "state" vs "status" and ensure consistency across the public APIs. More thou

[openstack-dev] [Horizon] [All?] "Status" vs "State"

2014-10-01 Thread Akihiro Motoki
Hi, # The first half is related to Horizon and the latter half is about the wording in Nova and Neutron API. During Horizon translation for Juno, I noticed the words "State" and "Status" in multiple contexts. Sometimes they are in very similar contexts and sometimes they have different contexts.