Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build
I want to apologize for my rapid response, I was incorrect about the license because of the file you pointed out. I did not intend to sound snarky or anything like that in either the original email or the reply. Anyway, for future reference, I believe the last thread where this was discussed was here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/031689.html, which basically reiterates what David says above (it's good to have links to the past discussions, IMO). Best Regards, Solly Ross P.S. Here's hoping that the JSHint devs eventually find a way to remove that line from the file -- according to https://github.com/jshint/jshint/issues/1234, not much of the original remains. - Original Message - From: Aaron Sahlin asah...@linux.vnet.ibm.com To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 1:35:48 PM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build What you are finding is the same as I found, which raised my concern. Thanks for the pointer to legal-disc...@lists.openstack.org, I will post the question there (let the lawyers figure it out). On 9/10/2014 12:16 PM, Solly Ross wrote: - Original Message - From: Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 1:10:18 PM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build On 2014-09-10 13:00:29 -0400 (-0400), Solly Ross wrote: JSHint *isn't* Douglas Crockford. It was written by someone who (understandably) thought Douglas Crockford had some good ideas, but was overzealous. [...] Overzealous enough to copy his code. ?? This sentence doesn't make much sense. I meant to say that Douglas Crockford was overzealous (which he is, IMO). The license is as such: https://github.com/jshint/jshint/blob/master/LICENSE Ahem. https://github.com/jshint/jshint/blob/master/src/jshint.js#L19 Fair enough. I stand corrected. I didn't catch that. The general license, however, is as stated. You are thinking of JSLint, which is written by Douglas Crockford. JSHint is a derivative project of JSLint. Sorry to burst your bubble. To be fair, it's been undergoing *major* revisions lately, making it resemble JSHint less and less in terms of what it checks for. Having used it in the past, functionality wise it's very different. While it maintains some backwards compatibility, it has added in new checks, doesn't complain about nearly the number of things that JSLint complains about (for good reasons). -- Jeremy Stanley ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build
Solly Ross sr...@redhat.com writes: Hi, I recently began using using ESLint for all my JavaScript linting: http://eslint.org/ It has nice documentation, a normal license, and you can easily write new rules for it. P.S. Here's hoping that the JSHint devs eventually find a way to remove that line from the file -- according to https://github.com/jshint/jshint/issues/1234, not much of the original remains. I don't think it matters how much of the original code remains -- what matters is that any rewrite is a derived work. Otherwise Debian and others could have made the license pure MIT long ago. -- Martin Geisler http://google.com/+MartinGeisler pgpBeHS_mQeu4.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build
Thanks! ESLint looks interesting. I'm curious to see what it says about the Horizon source. I'll keep it in mind for future personal projects and the like. Best Regards, Solly Ross - Original Message - From: Martin Geisler mar...@geisler.net To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 3:20:56 AM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build Solly Ross sr...@redhat.com writes: Hi, I recently began using using ESLint for all my JavaScript linting: http://eslint.org/ It has nice documentation, a normal license, and you can easily write new rules for it. P.S. Here's hoping that the JSHint devs eventually find a way to remove that line from the file -- according to https://github.com/jshint/jshint/issues/1234, not much of the original remains. I don't think it matters how much of the original code remains -- what matters is that any rewrite is a derived work. Otherwise Debian and others could have made the license pure MIT long ago. -- Martin Geisler http://google.com/+MartinGeisler ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build
I noticed that the build is using JSHint now, and before I consider syncing it with the proposed options from the JavaScript best practices (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117595/), I wanted to double check and be sure Horizon got past the legal problem with the good/evil licensing. Some background for those who are not aware. JSHint was authored by Doug Crockford, and he added an extra line in the licensing, The software shall be used for good, not evil. The issue is in the definition of what is good and what is evil. It is too subjective, what is evil differs from person to person therefore ends up being a liability and leaving users open to frivolous lawsuits. Did Horizon get permission or find some way around the licensing issue? ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build
JSHint *isn't* Douglas Crockford. It was written by someone who (understandably) thought Douglas Crockford had some good ideas, but was overzealous. It does mostly the same things, but is more lenient with regards to style elements. The license is as such: https://github.com/jshint/jshint/blob/master/LICENSE You are thinking of JSLint, which is written by Douglas Crockford. - Original Message - From: Aaron Sahlin asah...@linux.vnet.ibm.com To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:56:37 AM Subject: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build I noticed that the build is using JSHint now, and before I consider syncing it with the proposed options from the JavaScript best practices (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117595/), I wanted to double check and be sure Horizon got past the legal problem with the good/evil licensing. Some background for those who are not aware. JSHint was authored by Doug Crockford, and he added an extra line in the licensing, The software shall be used for good, not evil. The issue is in the definition of what is good and what is evil. It is too subjective, what is evil differs from person to person therefore ends up being a liability and leaving users open to frivolous lawsuits. Did Horizon get permission or find some way around the licensing issue? ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build
On 2014-09-10 10:56:37 -0500 (-0500), Aaron Sahlin wrote: [...] Did Horizon get permission or find some way around the licensing issue? It's worth mentioning that he seems to consider the free software legal concerns around his license choice amusing and will apparently, upon request, provide an exception to an organization wishing to use his software for evil[1]. He has no interest in changing the situation[2] in JSLint or derivatives (like JSHint) even if that means that they can not be provided as part of Debian[3] or similar legally-concerned distributions. It's probably best to re-raise this question on the legal-disc...@lists.openstack.org mailing list as well. [1] http://dev.hasenj.org/post/3272592502/ibm-and-its-minions [2] https://github.com/jshint/jshint/issues/1234 [3] http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-legal%40lists.debian.org/msg40718.html -- Jeremy Stanley ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build
On 2014-09-10 13:00:29 -0400 (-0400), Solly Ross wrote: JSHint *isn't* Douglas Crockford. It was written by someone who (understandably) thought Douglas Crockford had some good ideas, but was overzealous. [...] Overzealous enough to copy his code. The license is as such: https://github.com/jshint/jshint/blob/master/LICENSE Ahem. https://github.com/jshint/jshint/blob/master/src/jshint.js#L19 You are thinking of JSLint, which is written by Douglas Crockford. JSHint is a derivative project of JSLint. Sorry to burst your bubble. -- Jeremy Stanley ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build
- Original Message - From: Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 1:10:18 PM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build On 2014-09-10 13:00:29 -0400 (-0400), Solly Ross wrote: JSHint *isn't* Douglas Crockford. It was written by someone who (understandably) thought Douglas Crockford had some good ideas, but was overzealous. [...] Overzealous enough to copy his code. ?? This sentence doesn't make much sense. I meant to say that Douglas Crockford was overzealous (which he is, IMO). The license is as such: https://github.com/jshint/jshint/blob/master/LICENSE Ahem. https://github.com/jshint/jshint/blob/master/src/jshint.js#L19 Fair enough. I stand corrected. I didn't catch that. The general license, however, is as stated. You are thinking of JSLint, which is written by Douglas Crockford. JSHint is a derivative project of JSLint. Sorry to burst your bubble. To be fair, it's been undergoing *major* revisions lately, making it resemble JSHint less and less in terms of what it checks for. Having used it in the past, functionality wise it's very different. While it maintains some backwards compatibility, it has added in new checks, doesn't complain about nearly the number of things that JSLint complains about (for good reasons). -- Jeremy Stanley ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build
What you are finding is the same as I found, which raised my concern. Thanks for the pointer to legal-disc...@lists.openstack.org, I will post the question there (let the lawyers figure it out). On 9/10/2014 12:16 PM, Solly Ross wrote: - Original Message - From: Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 1:10:18 PM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build On 2014-09-10 13:00:29 -0400 (-0400), Solly Ross wrote: JSHint *isn't* Douglas Crockford. It was written by someone who (understandably) thought Douglas Crockford had some good ideas, but was overzealous. [...] Overzealous enough to copy his code. ?? This sentence doesn't make much sense. I meant to say that Douglas Crockford was overzealous (which he is, IMO). The license is as such: https://github.com/jshint/jshint/blob/master/LICENSE Ahem. https://github.com/jshint/jshint/blob/master/src/jshint.js#L19 Fair enough. I stand corrected. I didn't catch that. The general license, however, is as stated. You are thinking of JSLint, which is written by Douglas Crockford. JSHint is a derivative project of JSLint. Sorry to burst your bubble. To be fair, it's been undergoing *major* revisions lately, making it resemble JSHint less and less in terms of what it checks for. Having used it in the past, functionality wise it's very different. While it maintains some backwards compatibility, it has added in new checks, doesn't complain about nearly the number of things that JSLint complains about (for good reasons). -- Jeremy Stanley ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build
I want to clarify this. Jshint is not a requirement. It is not in requirements.txt or test-requirements.txt nor is it a hard system requirement. Jshint is treated as an optional tool that can either be installed via tox in the jshint testenv which uses npm to pull it down, or by manual install. This allows for a standardized method of checking JavaScript for Horizon developers as a convenience. But there is no hard requirement that the package be present or used. Nor is jshint required to generate anything in the code base or the packages that distros will deliver. I believe this is a non-issue. David On 9/10/14, 11:35 AM, Aaron Sahlin asah...@linux.vnet.ibm.com wrote: What you are finding is the same as I found, which raised my concern. Thanks for the pointer to legal-disc...@lists.openstack.org, I will post the question there (let the lawyers figure it out). On 9/10/2014 12:16 PM, Solly Ross wrote: - Original Message - From: Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 1:10:18 PM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Licensing issue with using JSHint in build On 2014-09-10 13:00:29 -0400 (-0400), Solly Ross wrote: JSHint *isn't* Douglas Crockford. It was written by someone who (understandably) thought Douglas Crockford had some good ideas, but was overzealous. [...] Overzealous enough to copy his code. ?? This sentence doesn't make much sense. I meant to say that Douglas Crockford was overzealous (which he is, IMO). The license is as such: https://github.com/jshint/jshint/blob/master/LICENSE Ahem. https://github.com/jshint/jshint/blob/master/src/jshint.js#L19 Fair enough. I stand corrected. I didn't catch that. The general license, however, is as stated. You are thinking of JSLint, which is written by Douglas Crockford. JSHint is a derivative project of JSLint. Sorry to burst your bubble. To be fair, it's been undergoing *major* revisions lately, making it resemble JSHint less and less in terms of what it checks for. Having used it in the past, functionality wise it's very different. While it maintains some backwards compatibility, it has added in new checks, doesn't complain about nearly the number of things that JSLint complains about (for good reasons). -- Jeremy Stanley ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
