Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ friendliness
James, On May 5, 2014, at 5:49 PM, James Polley mailto:j...@jamezpolley.com>> wrote: To revive this thread... I'd really like to see us trying out alternate meeting times for a while. > Tuesdays at 14:00 UTC on #openstack-meeting-alt is available. Looking at the iCal feed it looks like it's actually taken by Solum. No, we (Solum Team) meet at 1600 UTC and 2200 UTC alternating Tuesdays in #openstack-meeting-alt. We are not meeting next week by IRC because of the Summit. We are all attending and will meet in person. If the iCal feed is not right, do you know how I can correct it? Adrian But in any case: On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Robert Collins mailto:robe...@robertcollins.net>> wrote: I think we need a timezone to cover the current impossible regions: - Australia - China / Japan - India 1400UTC is midnight Sydney time, 11pm Tokyo, 7:30pm New Delhi. Personally that's worse for me than 1700UTC. I'd prefer to move it significantly later than 1900UTC, especially if we want a time that's civilized (or at least, achievable) in India. 0700UTC seems ideal to me - 5pm Sydney, 4pm Tokyo, 12:30pm New Delhi. It's not friendly to the US (midnight SF, 3am NYC). but it should work well for Europe - 8am London, and it gets later in the day as you go east. What would we need to do to try this time out next week? On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:03 PM, mailto:j...@ioctl.org>> wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Sullivan, Jon Paul wrote: > > From: James Slagle > > [mailto:james.sla...@gmail.com<mailto:james.sla...@gmail.com>] > > Sent: 18 March 2014 19:58 > > Subject: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ > > friendliness > > > > Our current meeting time is Tuesdays at 19:00 UTC. I think this works > > ok for most folks in and around North America. > > > > It was proposed during today's meeting to see if there is interest is an > > alternating meeting time every other week so that we can be a bit more > > friendly to those folks that currently can't attend. > > If that interests you, speak up :). > > Speaking up! :D Also interested. > Tuesdays at 14:00 UTC on #openstack-meeting-alt is available. Relatively speaking, that's actually sociable. -- Update your address books: j...@ioctl.org<mailto:j...@ioctl.org> http://ioctl.org/jan/ perl -e 's?ck?t??print:perl==pants if $_="Just Another Perl Hacker\n"' ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org<mailto:OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org<mailto:OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ friendliness
Hi @all, I like the idea of alternate meetings, so everybody get a chance to make it at decent hours (I can't complaint about that). About the suggested time(any time will have it upsides and downs) 0700UTC, could be a good option (Sorry for the people on the East Coast, but I think our 'population' there is minimal), although something earlier is ok to me. See you all in Atlanta! Ghe Rivero On 05/06/2014 02:58 AM, James Polley wrote: > Actually, it's probably best that we don't do the first meeting at a > US-unfriendly timezone in a week that the summit is on in Atlanta. > > Maybe the week after summit, or even the second week after summit? > > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:49 AM, James Polley <mailto:j...@jamezpolley.com>> wrote: > > To revive this thread... I'd really like to see us trying out > alternate meeting times for a while. > > > > Tuesdays at 14:00 UTC on #openstack-meeting-alt is available. > > Looking at the iCal feed it looks like it's actually taken by > Solum. But in any case: > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Robert > Collins <mailto:robe...@robertcollins.net>> wrote: > > I think we need a timezone to cover the current impossible > regions: > > - Australia > - China / Japan > - India > > > 1400UTC is midnight Sydney time, 11pm Tokyo, 7:30pm New Delhi. > Personally that's worse for me than 1700UTC. > > I'd prefer to move it significantly later than 1900UTC, especially > if we want a time that's civilized (or at least, achievable) in > India. 0700UTC seems ideal to me - 5pm Sydney, 4pm Tokyo, 12:30pm > New Delhi. It's not friendly to the US (midnight SF, 3am NYC). > but it should work well for Europe - 8am London, and it gets later > in the day as you go east. > > What would we need to do to try this time out next week? > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:03 PM, <mailto:j...@ioctl.org>> wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Sullivan, Jon Paul wrote: > > > > From: James Slagle [mailto:james.sla...@gmail.com > <mailto:james.sla...@gmail.com>] > > > Sent: 18 March 2014 19:58 > > > Subject: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting > time for more TZ > > > friendliness > > > > > > Our current meeting time is Tuesdays at 19:00 UTC. I > think this works > > > ok for most folks in and around North America. > > > > > > It was proposed during today's meeting to see if there is > interest is an > > > alternating meeting time every other week so that we can > be a bit more > > > friendly to those folks that currently can't attend. > > > If that interests you, speak up :). > > > > Speaking up! :D > > Also interested. > > > Tuesdays at 14:00 UTC on #openstack-meeting-alt is available. > > Relatively speaking, that's actually sociable. > > -- > Update your address books: j...@ioctl.org > <mailto:j...@ioctl.org> http://ioctl.org/jan/ > perl -e 's?ck?t??print:perl==pants if $_="Just Another Perl > Hacker\n"' > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > <mailto:OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ friendliness
Actually, it's probably best that we don't do the first meeting at a US-unfriendly timezone in a week that the summit is on in Atlanta. Maybe the week after summit, or even the second week after summit? On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:49 AM, James Polley wrote: > To revive this thread... I'd really like to see us trying out alternate > meeting times for a while. > > > > Tuesdays at 14:00 UTC on #openstack-meeting-alt is available. > > Looking at the iCal feed it looks like it's actually taken by Solum. But > in any case: > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Robert Collins < > robe...@robertcollins.net> wrote: > > I think we need a timezone to cover the current impossible regions: >> >> - Australia >> - China / Japan >> - India >> > > 1400UTC is midnight Sydney time, 11pm Tokyo, 7:30pm New Delhi. Personally > that's worse for me than 1700UTC. > > I'd prefer to move it significantly later than 1900UTC, especially if we > want a time that's civilized (or at least, achievable) in India. 0700UTC > seems ideal to me - 5pm Sydney, 4pm Tokyo, 12:30pm New Delhi. It's not > friendly to the US (midnight SF, 3am NYC). but it should work well for > Europe - 8am London, and it gets later in the day as you go east. > > What would we need to do to try this time out next week? > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:03 PM, wrote: > >> On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Sullivan, Jon Paul wrote: >> >> > > From: James Slagle [mailto:james.sla...@gmail.com] >> > > Sent: 18 March 2014 19:58 >> > > Subject: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more >> TZ >> > > friendliness >> > > >> > > Our current meeting time is Tuesdays at 19:00 UTC. I think this works >> > > ok for most folks in and around North America. >> > > >> > > It was proposed during today's meeting to see if there is interest is >> an >> > > alternating meeting time every other week so that we can be a bit more >> > > friendly to those folks that currently can't attend. >> > > If that interests you, speak up :). >> > >> > Speaking up! :D >> >> Also interested. >> >> > Tuesdays at 14:00 UTC on #openstack-meeting-alt is available. >> >> Relatively speaking, that's actually sociable. >> >> -- >> Update your address books: j...@ioctl.org http://ioctl.org/jan/ >> perl -e 's?ck?t??print:perl==pants if $_="Just Another Perl Hacker\n"' >> >> ___ >> OpenStack-dev mailing list >> OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >> > > ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ friendliness
To revive this thread... I'd really like to see us trying out alternate meeting times for a while. > Tuesdays at 14:00 UTC on #openstack-meeting-alt is available. Looking at the iCal feed it looks like it's actually taken by Solum. But in any case: On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Robert Collins wrote: > I think we need a timezone to cover the current impossible regions: > > - Australia > - China / Japan > - India > 1400UTC is midnight Sydney time, 11pm Tokyo, 7:30pm New Delhi. Personally that's worse for me than 1700UTC. I'd prefer to move it significantly later than 1900UTC, especially if we want a time that's civilized (or at least, achievable) in India. 0700UTC seems ideal to me - 5pm Sydney, 4pm Tokyo, 12:30pm New Delhi. It's not friendly to the US (midnight SF, 3am NYC). but it should work well for Europe - 8am London, and it gets later in the day as you go east. What would we need to do to try this time out next week? On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:03 PM, wrote: > On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Sullivan, Jon Paul wrote: > > > > From: James Slagle [mailto:james.sla...@gmail.com] > > > Sent: 18 March 2014 19:58 > > > Subject: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ > > > friendliness > > > > > > Our current meeting time is Tuesdays at 19:00 UTC. I think this works > > > ok for most folks in and around North America. > > > > > > It was proposed during today's meeting to see if there is interest is > an > > > alternating meeting time every other week so that we can be a bit more > > > friendly to those folks that currently can't attend. > > > If that interests you, speak up :). > > > > Speaking up! :D > > Also interested. > > > Tuesdays at 14:00 UTC on #openstack-meeting-alt is available. > > Relatively speaking, that's actually sociable. > > -- > Update your address books: j...@ioctl.org http://ioctl.org/jan/ > perl -e 's?ck?t??print:perl==pants if $_="Just Another Perl Hacker\n"' > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ friendliness
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Sullivan, Jon Paul wrote: > > From: James Slagle [mailto:james.sla...@gmail.com] > > Sent: 18 March 2014 19:58 > > Subject: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ > > friendliness > > > > Our current meeting time is Tuesdays at 19:00 UTC. I think this works > > ok for most folks in and around North America. > > > > It was proposed during today's meeting to see if there is interest is an > > alternating meeting time every other week so that we can be a bit more > > friendly to those folks that currently can't attend. > > If that interests you, speak up :). > > Speaking up! :D Also interested. > Tuesdays at 14:00 UTC on #openstack-meeting-alt is available. Relatively speaking, that's actually sociable. -- Update your address books: j...@ioctl.org http://ioctl.org/jan/ perl -e 's?ck?t??print:perl==pants if $_="Just Another Perl Hacker\n"' ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ friendliness
I think we need a timezone to cover the current impossible regions: - Australia - China / Japan - India Early evening for the UK - the current meeting time - is ok (sure, its not work hours, but its also not 5am :)) The further west it goes, the better for those regions. I suspect if we aim it to be ok for late night west coast usians - e.g. 11pm , then it will meet that goal and simultaneously be tolerable for myself (NZ), Clint(west coast US) and devananda (west coast US). -Rob -Rob On 20 March 2014 12:46, Steve Kowalik wrote: > On 19/03/14 06:57, James Slagle wrote: >> Our current meeting time is Tuesdays at 19:00 UTC. I think this works >> ok for most folks in and around North America. >> >> It was proposed during today's meeting to see if there is interest is >> an alternating meeting time every other week so that we can be a bit >> more friendly to those folks that currently can't attend. >> If that interests you, speak up :). > > Also speaking up. > > It gets a little difficult if we want the meeting time to cover Europe, > North America, New Zealand and Australia, since that's effectively the > entire world. I would prefer a little later than 0700, but I understand > that another hour might push it in another timezone to or 0100. > > Cheers, > -- > Steve > C offers you enough rope to hang yourself. > C++ offers a fully equipped firing squad, a last cigarette and > a blindfold. > - Erik de Castro Lopo > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Robert Collins Distinguished Technologist HP Converged Cloud ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ friendliness
On 19/03/14 06:57, James Slagle wrote: > Our current meeting time is Tuesdays at 19:00 UTC. I think this works > ok for most folks in and around North America. > > It was proposed during today's meeting to see if there is interest is > an alternating meeting time every other week so that we can be a bit > more friendly to those folks that currently can't attend. > If that interests you, speak up :). Also speaking up. It gets a little difficult if we want the meeting time to cover Europe, North America, New Zealand and Australia, since that's effectively the entire world. I would prefer a little later than 0700, but I understand that another hour might push it in another timezone to or 0100. Cheers, -- Steve C offers you enough rope to hang yourself. C++ offers a fully equipped firing squad, a last cigarette and a blindfold. - Erik de Castro Lopo ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ friendliness
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:00 AM, James Polley wrote: > > > On 20 Mar 2014, at 5:44 am, Clint Byrum wrote: > > Excerpts from Sullivan, Jon Paul's message of 2014-03-19 09:26:44 -0700: > > From: James Slagle [mailto:james.sla...@gmail.com > ] > > Sent: 18 March 2014 19:58 > > Subject: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ > > friendliness > > > Our current meeting time is Tuesdays at 19:00 UTC. I think this works > > ok for most folks in and around North America. > > > It was proposed during today's meeting to see if there is interest is an > > alternating meeting time every other week so that we can be a bit more > > friendly to those folks that currently can't attend. > > If that interests you, speak up :). > > > Speaking up! :D > > > > For reference, the current meeting schedules are at: > > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings > > > Tuesdays at 14:00 UTC on #openstack-meeting-alt is available. > > > > If we were to have one at that time, we'd need to move the other time as > well. One driver for moving it is that our participants on the Eastern > side of Australia are already joining at 0600 their time, and will be > joining at 0500 soon. > > If I've done my TZ math right, Tuesdays at 1400 UTC would be Wednesdays > at 0100 for Sydney. > > > 0100 now, in a few weeks when DST flips here. I'd prefer 0500 to > > My first priority is making sure that theacimum > Ah. So that's what happened to the email I was composing on my iPhone - it got sent! Next time I'll ask my pocket to delete it rather than send it. As I was trying to say, I think our priority should be maximizing the number of people who can attend, not maximizing for me attending. I worry that having alternating meetings will lead to having non-overlapping sets of people in the meetings, but even if that happens I'm not sure if it's worse than only having a subset of people in the meeting. I'd be happy to stick with 1900UTC if it means more people can regularly make the meeting, even if it means I can't make it all the time. Switching to alternating 1900 Tuesday and 2100 Wednesday would mean I could make more meetings, but I don't know how it would affect other people. Speaking for myself, I find the current time is slightly painful, but > doable. 0500 will be more painful. > > If I'm reading the iCal feed linked from > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings correctly, it looks like there's > a PCI passthrough meeting scheduled at that time in -alt. Is that correct? > Is the iCal feed canonical? I don't see the meeting listed on the page, but > maybe that's also because of the tiny little screen I'm using right now. > > If I'm doing the timezone math right, it looks like the iCal feed says > that 2100UTC Wednesday is free every second week. Once all the DST flips > happen, that'll be 2100 London, 1500 SF, 0700 Sydney. > Bad time math - I was in the middle of updating this when my phone decided to send the mail. 2100UTC will be 2200 London, 1400 SF, 0700 Sydney. > > If we ran at that time on alternate weeks I'd have one I could make easily > and one I could probably make at a stretch. > > > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ friendliness
> On 20 Mar 2014, at 5:44 am, Clint Byrum wrote: > > Excerpts from Sullivan, Jon Paul's message of 2014-03-19 09:26:44 -0700: >>> From: James Slagle [mailto:james.sla...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: 18 March 2014 19:58 >>> Subject: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ >>> friendliness >>> >>> Our current meeting time is Tuesdays at 19:00 UTC. I think this works >>> ok for most folks in and around North America. >>> >>> It was proposed during today's meeting to see if there is interest is an >>> alternating meeting time every other week so that we can be a bit more >>> friendly to those folks that currently can't attend. >>> If that interests you, speak up :). >> >> Speaking up! :D >> >>> >>> For reference, the current meeting schedules are at: >>> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings >> >> Tuesdays at 14:00 UTC on #openstack-meeting-alt is available. > > If we were to have one at that time, we'd need to move the other time as > well. One driver for moving it is that our participants on the Eastern > side of Australia are already joining at 0600 their time, and will be > joining at 0500 soon. > > If I've done my TZ math right, Tuesdays at 1400 UTC would be Wednesdays > at 0100 for Sydney. 0100 now, in a few weeks when DST flips here. I'd prefer 0500 to My first priority is making sure that theacimum Speaking for myself, I find the current time is slightly painful, but doable. 0500 will be more painful. If I'm reading the iCal feed linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings correctly, it looks like there's a PCI passthrough meeting scheduled at that time in -alt. Is that correct? Is the iCal feed canonical? I don't see the meeting listed on the page, but maybe that's also because of the tiny little screen I'm using right now. If I'm doing the timezone math right, it looks like the iCal feed says that 2100UTC Wednesday is free every second week. Once all the DST flips happen, that'll be 2100 London, 1500 SF, 0700 Sydney. If we ran at that time on alternate weeks I'd have one I could make easily and one I could probably make at a stretch. > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ friendliness
Excerpts from Sullivan, Jon Paul's message of 2014-03-19 09:26:44 -0700: > > From: James Slagle [mailto:james.sla...@gmail.com] > > Sent: 18 March 2014 19:58 > > Subject: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ > > friendliness > > > > Our current meeting time is Tuesdays at 19:00 UTC. I think this works > > ok for most folks in and around North America. > > > > It was proposed during today's meeting to see if there is interest is an > > alternating meeting time every other week so that we can be a bit more > > friendly to those folks that currently can't attend. > > If that interests you, speak up :). > > Speaking up! :D > > > > > For reference, the current meeting schedules are at: > > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings > > Tuesdays at 14:00 UTC on #openstack-meeting-alt is available. > If we were to have one at that time, we'd need to move the other time as well. One driver for moving it is that our participants on the Eastern side of Australia are already joining at 0600 their time, and will be joining at 0500 soon. If I've done my TZ math right, Tuesdays at 1400 UTC would be Wednesdays at 0100 for Sydney. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ friendliness
> From: James Slagle [mailto:james.sla...@gmail.com] > Sent: 18 March 2014 19:58 > Subject: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ > friendliness > > Our current meeting time is Tuesdays at 19:00 UTC. I think this works > ok for most folks in and around North America. > > It was proposed during today's meeting to see if there is interest is an > alternating meeting time every other week so that we can be a bit more > friendly to those folks that currently can't attend. > If that interests you, speak up :). Speaking up! :D > > For reference, the current meeting schedules are at: > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings Tuesdays at 14:00 UTC on #openstack-meeting-alt is available. > > -- > -- James Slagle > -- > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev Thanks, Jon-Paul Sullivan ☺ Cloud Services - @hpcloud Postal Address: Hewlett-Packard Galway Limited, Ballybrit Business Park, Galway. Registered Office: Hewlett-Packard Galway Limited, 63-74 Sir John Rogerson's Quay, Dublin 2. Registered Number: 361933 The contents of this message and any attachments to it are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you have received this message in error you should delete it from your system immediately and advise the sender. To any recipient of this message within HP, unless otherwise stated, you should consider this message and attachments as "HP CONFIDENTIAL". ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternating meeting time for more TZ friendliness
Our current meeting time is Tuesdays at 19:00 UTC. I think this works ok for most folks in and around North America. It was proposed during today's meeting to see if there is interest is an alternating meeting time every other week so that we can be a bit more friendly to those folks that currently can't attend. If that interests you, speak up :). For reference, the current meeting schedules are at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings -- -- James Slagle -- ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
