Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

Agree. Install guide is just a start/example, concentrate is better than cover all, for more services we can just provide a good place to let them discoverable, and lfor arger scale, we should use advanced tools such as puppet and ansible On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Thierry Carrez

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

Hi Jonathan, It's all good, this is actually unrelated to the larger changes proposed for Newton, but more about a late change that was proposed for Kilo. HTH, L On 14/04/16 03:59, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 01:52:38PM -0400, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: > > :I've not

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

t;; Mike > Perez <m...@openstack.org>; openstack-d...@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore > - What about big tent? > > On 04/13/2016 07:17 PM, Amrith Kumar wrote: > > Andreas, Lana, Mike, Matt, and others who

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 01:52:38PM -0400, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: :I've not been following this thread at all so appologies if I'm :confused. reading follow up emails relating to timing of various submissions, I back away slowly clearly not having all the context on this one. -Jon

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

; From: Andreas Jaeger [mailto:a...@suse.com] :> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 2:42 PM :> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) :> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> :> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore :> - What abou

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

velopment Mailing List (not for usage questions) >> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> >> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore >> - What about big tent? >> >> On 04/04/2016 12:12 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote: >>&g

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

penstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore > - What about big tent? > > On 04/04/2016 12:12 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > > Doug Hellmann wrote: > >>> [...] > >>> We would love to add all sufficiently mature projects to the > >>> install

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > On 04/04/2016 12:12 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > > Doug Hellmann wrote: > >>> [...] > >>> We would love to add all sufficiently mature projects to the > >>> installation > >>> guide because it increases visibility and adoption

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On 04/04/2016 12:12 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Doug Hellmann wrote: >>> [...] >>> We would love to add all sufficiently mature projects to the >>> installation >>> guide because it increases visibility and adoption by operators, but we >>> lack resources to develop a source installation mechanism

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

Doug Hellmann wrote: [...] We would love to add all sufficiently mature projects to the installation guide because it increases visibility and adoption by operators, but we lack resources to develop a source installation mechanism that retains as much simplicity as possible for our audience. I

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

Excerpts from Matt Kassawara's message of 2016-04-01 12:38:02 -0600: > Hi, > > I didn't see this e-mail until now because I'm busy trying to update and > test the installation guide in time for the Mitaka release. As a primary > contributor to the installation guide for about six releases

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

Hi, I didn't see this e-mail until now because I'm busy trying to update and test the installation guide in time for the Mitaka release. As a primary contributor to the installation guide for about six releases including restructuring it a couple of times, I think I can explain why we do what we

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016, at 03:37 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 03/29/2016 08:33 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > If the core doc team isn't able to help you maintain it, maybe it's a > > candidate for a separate guide, just like we're discussing for projects > > that aren't part of the DefCore set

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On 03/29/2016 08:33 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > If the core doc team isn't able to help you maintain it, maybe it's a > candidate for a separate guide, just like we're discussing for projects > that aren't part of the DefCore set included in the main guide. > > Doug This is exactly what I don't

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

Excerpts from Thomas Goirand's message of 2016-03-29 13:37:14 +0200: > On 03/29/2016 11:56 AM, Neil Jerram wrote: > > On 29/03/16 09:38, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >> On 03/23/2016 04:06 PM, Mike Perez wrote: > >>> Hey all, > >>> > >>> I've been talking to a variety of projects about lack of install

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On 29/03/16 12:40, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > The documentation people decided to *not* publish the Debian > install-guide (and remove the link to it) even though it can be > generated and (to my opinion, which is probably biased) works well. > > I'd like to know the steps needed to restore a

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On 03/29/2016 11:56 AM, Neil Jerram wrote: > On 29/03/16 09:38, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> On 03/23/2016 04:06 PM, Mike Perez wrote: >>> Hey all, >>> >>> I've been talking to a variety of projects about lack of install guides. >>> This >>> came from me not having a great experience with trying out

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On 29/03/16 09:38, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 03/23/2016 04:06 PM, Mike Perez wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> I've been talking to a variety of projects about lack of install guides. This >> came from me not having a great experience with trying out projects in the >> big >> tent. >> >> [...] > > Sorry

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On 03/23/2016 04:06 PM, Mike Perez wrote: > Hey all, > > I've been talking to a variety of projects about lack of install guides. This > came from me not having a great experience with trying out projects in the big > tent. > > [...] Sorry to jump in this conversation a bit later, as I missed

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

The only downside I see of these examples are there is no way in the documentation to determine the release version or cycle. (i.e. you have to read the contents in conjunction with the URL). Ronald Bradford Web Site: http://ronaldbradford.com LinkedIn:

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 03:20:30PM -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Excerpts from Jim Rollenhagen's message of 2016-03-25 10:45:30 -0700: > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 09:10:05AM -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > Excerpts from Lana Brindley's message of 2016-03-24 08:50:49 +1000: > > > > On 24/03/16

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

Excerpts from Andreas Jaeger's message of 2016-03-25 20:30:01 +0100: > On 03/25/2016 08:20 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > Excerpts from Jim Rollenhagen's message of 2016-03-25 10:45:30 -0700: > >> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 09:10:05AM -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: > >>> > > Excerpts from Lana

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On 03/25/2016 08:20 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Excerpts from Jim Rollenhagen's message of 2016-03-25 10:45:30 -0700: >> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 09:10:05AM -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: >>> > > Excerpts from Lana Brindley's message of 2016-03-24 08:50:49 +1000: > > > On 24/03/16 08:01, Doug

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

Excerpts from Jim Rollenhagen's message of 2016-03-25 10:45:30 -0700: > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 09:10:05AM -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > Excerpts from Lana Brindley's message of 2016-03-24 08:50:49 +1000: > > > On 24/03/16 08:01, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > > Excerpts from Lana Brindley's message

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Excerpts from Mike Perez's message of 2016-03-25 11:32:58 -0700: > > On Mar 25, 2016, at 06:10, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > > Excerpts from Lana Brindley's message of 2016-03-24 08:50:49 +1000: > >> > >> All docs need to be drafted somewhere. I don't care where that is,

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 11:32:58AM -0700, Mike Perez wrote: > > On Mar 25, 2016, at 06:10, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > > Excerpts from Lana Brindley's message of 2016-03-24 08:50:49 +1000: > >> > >> All docs need to be drafted somewhere. I don't care where that is, but >

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

> On Mar 25, 2016, at 06:10, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > Excerpts from Lana Brindley's message of 2016-03-24 08:50:49 +1000: >> >> All docs need to be drafted somewhere. I don't care where that is, but make >> the suggestion of /developer because at least it's accessible

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On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 09:10:05AM -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Excerpts from Lana Brindley's message of 2016-03-24 08:50:49 +1000: > > On 24/03/16 08:01, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > Excerpts from Lana Brindley's message of 2016-03-24 07:14:35 +1000: > > >> Hi Mike, and sorry I missed you on IRC

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Excerpts from Lana Brindley's message of 2016-03-24 08:50:49 +1000: > On 24/03/16 08:01, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > Excerpts from Lana Brindley's message of 2016-03-24 07:14:35 +1000: > >> Hi Mike, and sorry I missed you on IRC to discuss this there. That said, I > >> think it's great that you took

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 06:02:47PM -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Excerpts from Jim Rollenhagen's message of 2016-03-23 14:46:16 -0700: > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 07:14:35AM +1000, Lana Brindley wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > Hash: SHA256 > > > > > > Hi Mike, and sorry I

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/03/16 08:01, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Excerpts from Lana Brindley's message of 2016-03-24 07:14:35 +1000: >> Hi Mike, and sorry I missed you on IRC to discuss this there. That said, I >> think it's great that you took this to the mailing list,

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Excerpts from Jim Rollenhagen's message of 2016-03-23 14:46:16 -0700: > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 07:14:35AM +1000, Lana Brindley wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA256 > > > > Hi Mike, and sorry I missed you on IRC to discuss this there. That said, I > > think it's great

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Excerpts from Lana Brindley's message of 2016-03-24 07:14:35 +1000: > Hi Mike, and sorry I missed you on IRC to discuss this there. That said, I > think it's great that you took this to the mailing list, especially seeing > the conversation that has ensued. > > More inline ... > > On 24/03/16

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On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 07:14:35AM +1000, Lana Brindley wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi Mike, and sorry I missed you on IRC to discuss this there. That said, I > think it's great that you took this to the mailing list, especially seeing > the conversation that

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Mike, and sorry I missed you on IRC to discuss this there. That said, I think it's great that you took this to the mailing list, especially seeing the conversation that has ensued. More inline ... On 24/03/16 01:06, Mike Perez wrote: > Hey

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On 23/03/16 15:00 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Mike Perez's message of 2016-03-23 08:06:28 -0700: Hey all, I've been talking to a variety of projects about lack of install guides. This came from me not having a great experience with trying out projects in the big tent. Projects

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Mike Perez wrote: > Hey all, > > I've been talking to a variety of projects about lack of install guides. > This > came from me not having a great experience with trying out projects in the > big > tent. > > Projects like Manila have proposed

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

Excerpts from Mike Perez's message of 2016-03-23 08:06:28 -0700: > Hey all, > > I've been talking to a variety of projects about lack of install guides. This > came from me not having a great experience with trying out projects in the big > tent. > > Projects like Manila have proposed install

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

- Original Message - > From: "Mike Perez" <thin...@gmail.com> > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 12:24:55 PM > Subject: Re: [open

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On Wed, Mar 23 2016, Mike Perez wrote: > As seen from the Manila review [1], the install docs team is suggesting these > to be put in their developer guide. > > I don't think this is a great idea. Mainly because they are for developers, > operators aren't going to be looking in there for install

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On 12:05 Mar 23, Steve Gordon wrote: > Did you look at the link I provided above?: > > http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/doc/install-guide/source/manila.rst > > This content is merged. Thanks Steve. So is this no longer a requirement that a project has to be

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On 23/03/2016 16:12, Steve Gordon wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Steve Gordon" >> To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" >> >> >> - Original Message - >>> From: "Graham Hayes"

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- Original Message - > From: "Steve Gordon" > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Steve Gordon" > > To: "OpenStack Development

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- Original Message - > From: "Steve Gordon" > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Graham Hayes" ha...@hpe.com> > > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List

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- Original Message - > From: "Graham Hayes" > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > > > On 23/03/2016 15:37, Steve Gordon wrote: > > - Original Message - > >> From: "Mike Perez"

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On 23/03/2016 15:37, Steve Gordon wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Mike Perez" >> To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List" >> >> Hey all, >> >> I've been talking to a variety of projects about lack of install guides. This >>

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

On 11:34 Mar 23, Steve Gordon wrote: > Are there examples of projects that have this user orientated install > documentation written but are actively being rejected from including it in > the install guide (in the Magnum case it has been pushed out to Newton as it > was a late submission, not

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

- Original Message - > From: "Mike Perez" > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List" > > Hey all, > > I've been talking to a variety of projects about lack of install guides. This > came from me not having a great experience with

[openstack-dev] [docs] Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?

Hey all, I've been talking to a variety of projects about lack of install guides. This came from me not having a great experience with trying out projects in the big tent. Projects like Manila have proposed install docs [1], but they were rejected by the install docs team because it's not in