Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-20 Thread Hayes, Graham
On 16/03/2016 04:47, Tony Breeds wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 09:41:41PM +, Hayes, Graham wrote: >> I do not see the time frame for defining an electorate there. >> >> PTL seats are completely renewed every 6 months. A separate election is >> run for >> each project team. These elections ar

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-16 Thread Thierry Carrez
Tony Breeds wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 06:28:14PM +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: The second issue is that we don't have any way to run an election on the project, since we don't have a way to determine "contributors" (or rather, the only voter and potential candidate under those rules would b

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-15 Thread Tony Breeds
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 09:41:41PM +, Hayes, Graham wrote: > I do not see the time frame for defining an electorate there. > > PTL seats are completely renewed every 6 months. A separate election is > run for > each project team. These elections are collectively held 5 weeks prior > to each

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-15 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/15/2016 11:18 PM, Emilien Macchi wrote: > Whoever will be the PTL, my single hope is that one day people will > deploy OpenStack in production by using packaging built in OpenStack > Infra. +1 Thanks for your support. I don't really care having a PTL badge either. I care for this project to

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-15 Thread Emilien Macchi
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: [...] > The Fuel team, many occasional Debian contributors, the Kolla team, the > Puppet OpenStack team, and of course myself, all want this project to > get started on good tracks. It will happen, because of this need. Please > give it more

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-15 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/15/2016 09:35 PM, Hayes, Graham wrote: > On 15/03/2016 20:29, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Does the current PTL not have the ability to propose extra-atc's for > this reason? > > Would a solution be for zigo to propose the people active in > http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-pkg-

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-15 Thread Hayes, Graham
On 15/03/2016 21:09, Tony Breeds wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 08:35:23PM +, Hayes, Graham wrote: > >> Does the current PTL not have the ability to propose extra-atc's for >> this reason? >> >> Would a solution be for zigo to propose the people active in >> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/ope

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-15 Thread Tony Breeds
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 08:35:23PM +, Hayes, Graham wrote: > Does the current PTL not have the ability to propose extra-atc's for > this reason? > > Would a solution be for zigo to propose the people active in > http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-pkg-tools.git/ > to the govern

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-15 Thread Tony Breeds
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 09:25:47PM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 03/15/2016 08:22 PM, Tony Breeds wrote: > > However, at the risk of sounding like a humorless automaton, we have a valid > > candidate. > > * Monty Taylor for Packaging-Deb PTL > > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292690/ > > T

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-15 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2016-03-15 21:25:47 +0100 (+0100), Thomas Goirand wrote: [...] > I know we have established governance rules. They exist for a reason. > Though I hope everyone understand what happened after my explanation. > > I believe what you wanted to write is: > > "If we don't think first and follow the

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-15 Thread Anita Kuno
On 03/15/2016 04:25 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 03/15/2016 08:22 PM, Tony Breeds wrote: >> However, at the risk of sounding like a humorless automaton, we have a valid >> candidate. >> * Monty Taylor for Packaging-Deb PTL >> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292690/ > > This started as a joke.

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-15 Thread Hayes, Graham
On 15/03/2016 20:29, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 03/15/2016 08:22 PM, Tony Breeds wrote: >> However, at the risk of sounding like a humorless automaton, we have a valid >> candidate. >> * Monty Taylor for Packaging-Deb PTL >> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292690/ > > This started as a joke. Pl

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-15 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/15/2016 08:22 PM, Tony Breeds wrote: > However, at the risk of sounding like a humorless automaton, we have a valid > candidate. > * Monty Taylor for Packaging-Deb PTL https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292690/ This started as a joke. Please don't pick-up the joke, and make it a serious propo

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-15 Thread Tony Breeds
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 06:28:14PM +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: > The second issue is that we don't have any way to run an election on the > project, since we don't have a way to determine "contributors" (or rather, > the only voter and potential candidate under those rules would be Monty). > You

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-15 Thread Thierry Carrez
Thomas Goirand wrote: so it's not completely crazy to kick it back to non-official status (especially now that it doesn't trigger any repository rename). Please don't. It took over 5 months to get it, and to be allowed to create the initial Git repository under the OpenStack namespace, with oth

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-15 Thread Tristan Cacqueray
On 03/15/2016 01:45 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 03/11/2016 12:45 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: >> On 2016-03-10 22:05:00 + (+), Tristan Cacqueray wrote: >>> Projects such as Openstack UX, Packaging Deb and i18n do not have active >>> contributions we can collect from git repos listed as proj

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-15 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/11/2016 12:45 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > On 2016-03-10 22:05:00 + (+), Tristan Cacqueray wrote: >> Projects such as Openstack UX, Packaging Deb and i18n do not have active >> contributions we can collect from git repos listed as project >> deliverables. For these projects, how can th

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-14 Thread Tony Breeds
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 12:11:01PM +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Jeremy Stanley wrote: > >I guess for teams with no deliverables *and* no extra ATCs, they > >probably also don't need a PTL? > > My take is that those teams do not need to be an official project team > either. We now require some ac

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-12 Thread Thierry Carrez
Jeremy Stanley wrote: I guess for teams with no deliverables *and* no extra ATCs, they probably also don't need a PTL? My take is that those teams do not need to be an official project team either. We now require some activity before approving project teams, but packaging-deb passed before th

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-10 Thread Tony Breeds
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 11:45:14PM +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > The electorate rolls for project-teams without any > deliverables/repos end up being limited to the "extra-atc" entries > for them. For example, the I18N team has done an excellent job of > providing a curated list of active transla

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-10 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/10/2016 05:45 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: Packaging-Deb is the only one I see in an especially strange state at the moment: it has one existing repo (the rest are phantoms which were never created) with two Gerrit changes, both owned by the team's sole code contributor (based on our traditio

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2016-03-10 22:05:00 + (+), Tristan Cacqueray wrote: > Projects such as Openstack UX, Packaging Deb and i18n do not have active > contributions we can collect from git repos listed as project > deliverables. For these projects, how can the election officials > validate PTL candidacy and w

[openstack-dev] [tc] Question about electorate for project without gerrit contribution

2016-03-10 Thread Tristan Cacqueray
Projects such as Openstack UX, Packaging Deb and i18n do not have active contributions we can collect from git repos listed as project deliverables. For these projects, how can the election officials validate PTL candidacy and what would be the electorate roll in case of an election ? Regards, -Tr