Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] Update on third party CI in Neutron

2014-08-12 Thread Irena Berezovsky
Hi,
Mellanox CI was also failing due to the same issue, 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1355780 (apparently duplicated bug for 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1353309)
We currently fixed the issue locally, by patching the server side RPC version 
support to 1.3.

BR,
Irena


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in Neutron

Kyle,

One Convergence third-party CI is failing due to 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1353309.

Let me know if we should turn off the CI logs until this is fixed or if we need 
to fix anything on the CI end. I think one other third-party CI (Mellanox) is 
failing due to the same issue.

Regards,
-hemanth

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Kyle Mestery 
mailto:mest...@mestery.com>> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Hemanth Ravi 
mailto:hemanthrav...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Kyle,
>
> One Convergence CI has been fixed (setup issue) and is running without the
> failures for ~10 days now. Updated the etherpad.
>
Thanks for the update Hemanth, much appreciated!

Kyle

> Thanks,
> -hemanth
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Fawad Khaliq 
> mailto:fa...@plumgrid.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Kyle Mestery 
>> mailto:mest...@noironetworks.com>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> PLUMgrid
>>>
>>> Not saving enough logs
>>
>> All Jenkins slaves were just updated to upload all required logs. PLUMgrid
>> CI should be good now.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Fawad Khaliq
>>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] Update on third party CI in Neutron

2014-08-12 Thread Hemanth Ravi
Anita,

Yes, I'm the contact for One Convergence CI.

Thanks,
-hemanth


On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Anita Kuno  wrote:

> On 08/12/2014 03:23 PM, Hemanth Ravi wrote:
> > Kyle,
> >
> > One Convergence third-party CI is failing due to
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1353309.
> >
> > Let me know if we should turn off the CI logs until this is fixed or if
> we
> > need to fix anything on the CI end. I think one other third-party CI
> > (Mellanox) is failing due to the same issue.
> >
> > Regards,
> > -hemanth
> Are you One Convergence CI, hemanth?
>
> Sorry I don't know who is admin'ing this account.
>
> Thanks,
> Anita.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Kyle Mestery 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Hemanth Ravi 
> >> wrote:
> >>> Kyle,
> >>>
> >>> One Convergence CI has been fixed (setup issue) and is running without
> >> the
> >>> failures for ~10 days now. Updated the etherpad.
> >>>
> >> Thanks for the update Hemanth, much appreciated!
> >>
> >> Kyle
> >>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> -hemanth
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Fawad Khaliq 
> >> wrote:
> 
> 
>  On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Kyle Mestery <
> >> mest...@noironetworks.com>
>  wrote:
> >
> > PLUMgrid
> >
> > Not saving enough logs
> 
>  All Jenkins slaves were just updated to upload all required logs.
> >> PLUMgrid
>  CI should be good now.
> 
> 
>  Thanks,
>  Fawad Khaliq
> 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] Update on third party CI in Neutron

2014-08-12 Thread Anita Kuno
On 08/12/2014 03:23 PM, Hemanth Ravi wrote:
> Kyle,
> 
> One Convergence third-party CI is failing due to
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1353309.
> 
> Let me know if we should turn off the CI logs until this is fixed or if we
> need to fix anything on the CI end. I think one other third-party CI
> (Mellanox) is failing due to the same issue.
> 
> Regards,
> -hemanth
Are you One Convergence CI, hemanth?

Sorry I don't know who is admin'ing this account.

Thanks,
Anita.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Kyle Mestery  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Hemanth Ravi 
>> wrote:
>>> Kyle,
>>>
>>> One Convergence CI has been fixed (setup issue) and is running without
>> the
>>> failures for ~10 days now. Updated the etherpad.
>>>
>> Thanks for the update Hemanth, much appreciated!
>>
>> Kyle
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -hemanth
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Fawad Khaliq 
>> wrote:


 On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Kyle Mestery <
>> mest...@noironetworks.com>
 wrote:
>
> PLUMgrid
>
> Not saving enough logs

 All Jenkins slaves were just updated to upload all required logs.
>> PLUMgrid
 CI should be good now.


 Thanks,
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] Update on third party CI in Neutron

2014-08-12 Thread Hemanth Ravi
Kyle,

One Convergence third-party CI is failing due to
https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1353309.

Let me know if we should turn off the CI logs until this is fixed or if we
need to fix anything on the CI end. I think one other third-party CI
(Mellanox) is failing due to the same issue.

Regards,
-hemanth


On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Kyle Mestery  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Hemanth Ravi 
> wrote:
> > Kyle,
> >
> > One Convergence CI has been fixed (setup issue) and is running without
> the
> > failures for ~10 days now. Updated the etherpad.
> >
> Thanks for the update Hemanth, much appreciated!
>
> Kyle
>
> > Thanks,
> > -hemanth
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Fawad Khaliq 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Kyle Mestery <
> mest...@noironetworks.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> PLUMgrid
> >>>
> >>> Not saving enough logs
> >>
> >> All Jenkins slaves were just updated to upload all required logs.
> PLUMgrid
> >> CI should be good now.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Fawad Khaliq
> >>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] Update on third party CI in Neutron

2014-07-29 Thread Kyle Mestery
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Hemanth Ravi  wrote:
> Kyle,
>
> One Convergence CI has been fixed (setup issue) and is running without the
> failures for ~10 days now. Updated the etherpad.
>
Thanks for the update Hemanth, much appreciated!

Kyle

> Thanks,
> -hemanth
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Fawad Khaliq  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Kyle Mestery 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> PLUMgrid
>>>
>>> Not saving enough logs
>>
>> All Jenkins slaves were just updated to upload all required logs. PLUMgrid
>> CI should be good now.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Fawad Khaliq
>>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] Update on third party CI in Neutron

2014-07-28 Thread Hemanth Ravi
Kyle,

One Convergence CI has been fixed (setup issue) and is running without the
failures for ~10 days now. Updated the etherpad.

Thanks,
-hemanth


On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Fawad Khaliq  wrote:

>
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Kyle Mestery 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>1. PLUMgrid
>>   1. Not saving enough logs
>>
>> All Jenkins slaves were just updated to upload all required logs.
> PLUMgrid CI should be good now.
>
>>
>>
>>
> Thanks,
> Fawad Khaliq
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] Update on third party CI in Neutron

2014-07-11 Thread Fawad Khaliq
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Kyle Mestery 
wrote:
>
>
>1. PLUMgrid
>   1. Not saving enough logs
>
> All Jenkins slaves were just updated to upload all required logs. PLUMgrid
CI should be good now.

>
>
>
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[openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] Update on third party CI in Neutron

2014-07-11 Thread Vijay Venkatachalam
Hi Kyle,

There is indeed a NetScaler CI and is currently running API and scenario tests 
on  LBAAS changes + driver changes. It also votes. What time is the  Monday 3rd 
party meeting?

Thanks,
Vijay.

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On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Kyle Mestery 
mailto:mest...@noironetworks.com>> wrote:

Since Juno-2 is quickly approaching, I wanted to update everyone on where
we're at with regards to third party testing in Neutron. The etherpad here [1]
was the original link with status. The link here [2] shows what is expected of
Neutron third party CI systems.

On the CI status side, I'd like to ask the owners of the following CI systems
to attend Monday's third party meeting [3] to discuss the status of their CI
systems. These are the ones which appear to be in trouble, aren't running,
or have some issues.


  1.  Cisco
 *   Not enough logs being saved.
 *   Log retention issues.
  2.  Citrix Netscaler LBaaS driver
 *   I don't think this has a third party CI system running.
  3.  Embrane (both plugin and LBaaS driver)
 *   Logs are tarred up and not viewable in web browser.
 *   Inconsistent runs at times.
  4.  IBM SDN-VE
 *   Currently inactive, moving to a new system.
  5.  One Convergence
 *   Very high failure rate for patch runs.
  6.  OpenDaylight
 *   Logs are tarred up and not viewable in web browser
  7.  PLUMgrid
 *   Not saving enough logs
  8.  Radware
 *   Logs are not viewable in browser
  9.  Tail-F
 *   Inconsistent past runs, need updates on status.
  10. vArmour FWaaS driver
 *   Can't view logs.
 *   Inconsistent runs against patches.

I'd like to take some time in the Monday meeting to go over the issues these
CI systems are having and give the maintainers a chance to discuss this with
us. The third party team is hopeful we can spend the energy in the meeting
working with CI maintainers who are actively interested in making progress
on improving their CI systems.

Per my email to the list in June [4], the expectation is that third party CI
systems in Neutron are running and following the guidelines set forth by
both Neutron and Infra. The weekly meeting is a place to seek help, and
we're happy that a large number of third party CI owners and maintainers
are using this resource.

I'd also like to encourange anyone with a patch for a plugin or driver in 
Neutron
to participate in the third-party meetings going forward as well. This will help
to ensure your CI system is running while your patch is being reviewed, and you
actively work to sort out issues during the review process to ensure smooth
merging of your plugin or driver.

Thank you!
Kyle

[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ZLp9Ow3tNq
[2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronThirdPartyTesting
[3] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty
[4] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037665.html
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] Update on third party CI in Neutron

2014-07-11 Thread Luke Gorrie
On 11 July 2014 17:56, Kyle Mestery  wrote:

>
>1. Tail-F
>   1. Inconsistent past runs, need updates on status.
>
> I've updated the Etherpad for our Tail-f CI and will be at the meeting.

Cheers,
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] Update on third party CI in Neutron

2014-07-11 Thread Mohammad Banikazemi
Thanks Kyle for the update. As noted below, we have been in the process of upgrading the SDN-VE CI system to a Zuul based system and this has caused an interruption in our voting. We have resolved the issues we were facing with standing up our new system and are close to having our system voting again. Daya (dkam...@us.ibm.com) who owns our new CI system (and myself) will be participating in the Third Party Testing meetings on Monday and onward.Best,Mohammad-Kyle Mestery  wrote: -To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" From: Kyle Mestery Date: 07/11/2014 11:58AMSubject: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] Update on third party CI in	NeutronSince Juno-2 is quickly approaching, I wanted to update everyone on wherewe're at with regards to third party testing in Neutron. The etherpad here [1]was the original link with status. The link here [2] shows what is expected of
Neutron third party CI systems.On the CI status side, I'd like to ask the owners of the following CI systemsto attend Monday's third party meeting [3] to discuss the status of their CIsystems. These are the ones which appear to be in trouble, aren't running,
or have some issues.CiscoNot enough logs being saved.Log retention issues.Citrix Netscaler LBaaS driverI don't think this has a third party CI system running.
Embrane (both plugin and LBaaS driver)Logs are tarred up and not viewable in web browser.Inconsistent runs at times.IBM SDN-VECurrently inactive, moving to a new system.
One ConvergenceVery high failure rate for patch runs.OpenDaylightLogs are tarred up and not viewable in web browserPLUMgridNot saving enough logs
RadwareLogs are not viewable in browserTail-FInconsistent past runs, need updates on status.vArmour FWaaS driverCan't view logs.Inconsistent runs against patches.
I'd like to take some time in the Monday meeting to go over the issues theseCI systems are having and give the maintainers a chance to discuss this withus. The third party team is hopeful we can spend the energy in the meeting
working with CI maintainers who are actively interested in making progresson improving their CI systems.Per my email to the list in June [4], the expectation is that third party CIsystems in Neutron are running and following the guidelines set forth by
both Neutron and Infra. The weekly meeting is a place to seek help, andwe're happy that a large number of third party CI owners and maintainersare using this resource.I'd also like to encourange anyone with a patch for a plugin or driver in Neutron
to participate in the third-party meetings going forward as well. This will helpto ensure your CI system is running while your patch is being reviewed, and youactively work to sort out issues during the review process to ensure smooth
merging of your plugin or driver.Thank you!Kyle[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ZLp9Ow3tNq[2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronThirdPartyTesting
[3] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty[4] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037665.html

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] Update on third party CI in Neutron

2014-07-11 Thread Kyle Mestery
Thanks Youcef. I didn't see any results or information for it, it would be
excellent if you could reply to the thread with the info and also come to
the meeting Monday.

Kyle


On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Youcef Laribi 
wrote:

>  Vijay, You need to reply to this and inform Kyle that we do have a CI
> system.
>
>
>
> *From:* Kyle Mestery [mailto:mest...@noironetworks.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2014 8:57 AM
> *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
> *Subject:* [openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] Update on third party
> CI in Neutron
>
>
>
> Since Juno-2 is quickly approaching, I wanted to update everyone on where
> we're at with regards to third party testing in Neutron. The etherpad here
> [1]
> was the original link with status. The link here [2] shows what is
> expected of
> Neutron third party CI systems.
>
> On the CI status side, I'd like to ask the owners of the following CI
> systems
> to attend Monday's third party meeting [3] to discuss the status of their
> CI
> systems. These are the ones which appear to be in trouble, aren't running,
> or have some issues.
>
>1. Cisco
>
>
> 1. Not enough logs being saved.
>   2. Log retention issues.
>
>
>1. Citrix Netscaler LBaaS driver
>
>
> 1. I don't think this has a third party CI system running.
>
>
>1. Embrane (both plugin and LBaaS driver)
>
>
> 1. Logs are tarred up and not viewable in web browser.
>   2. Inconsistent runs at times.
>
>
>1. IBM SDN-VE
>
>
> 1. Currently inactive, moving to a new system.
>
>
>1. One Convergence
>
>
> 1. Very high failure rate for patch runs.
>
>
>1. OpenDaylight
>
>
> 1. Logs are tarred up and not viewable in web browser
>
>
>1. PLUMgrid
>
>
> 1. Not saving enough logs
>
>
>1. Radware
>
>
> 1. Logs are not viewable in browser
>
>
>1. Tail-F
>
>
> 1. Inconsistent past runs, need updates on status.
>
>
>1. vArmour FWaaS driver
>
>
> 1. Can't view logs.
>   2. Inconsistent runs against patches.
>
>
> I'd like to take some time in the Monday meeting to go over the issues
> these
> CI systems are having and give the maintainers a chance to discuss this
> with
> us. The third party team is hopeful we can spend the energy in the meeting
> working with CI maintainers who are actively interested in making progress
> on improving their CI systems.
>
> Per my email to the list in June [4], the expectation is that third party
> CI
> systems in Neutron are running and following the guidelines set forth by
> both Neutron and Infra. The weekly meeting is a place to seek help, and
> we're happy that a large number of third party CI owners and maintainers
> are using this resource.
>
> I'd also like to encourange anyone with a patch for a plugin or driver in
> Neutron
> to participate in the third-party meetings going forward as well. This
> will help
> to ensure your CI system is running while your patch is being reviewed,
> and you
> actively work to sort out issues during the review process to ensure smooth
> merging of your plugin or driver.
>
> Thank you!
> Kyle
>
> [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ZLp9Ow3tNq
> [2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronThirdPartyTesting
> [3] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty
> [4]
> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037665.html
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] Update on third party CI in Neutron

2014-07-11 Thread Youcef Laribi
Vijay, You need to reply to this and inform Kyle that we do have a CI system.

From: Kyle Mestery [mailto:mest...@noironetworks.com]
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 8:57 AM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] Update on third party CI in 
Neutron

Since Juno-2 is quickly approaching, I wanted to update everyone on where
we're at with regards to third party testing in Neutron. The etherpad here [1]
was the original link with status. The link here [2] shows what is expected of
Neutron third party CI systems.

On the CI status side, I'd like to ask the owners of the following CI systems
to attend Monday's third party meeting [3] to discuss the status of their CI
systems. These are the ones which appear to be in trouble, aren't running,
or have some issues.

  1.  Cisco

 *   Not enough logs being saved.
 *   Log retention issues.

  1.  Citrix Netscaler LBaaS driver

 *   I don't think this has a third party CI system running.

  1.  Embrane (both plugin and LBaaS driver)

 *   Logs are tarred up and not viewable in web browser.
 *   Inconsistent runs at times.

  1.  IBM SDN-VE

 *   Currently inactive, moving to a new system.

  1.  One Convergence

 *   Very high failure rate for patch runs.

  1.  OpenDaylight

 *   Logs are tarred up and not viewable in web browser

  1.  PLUMgrid

 *   Not saving enough logs

  1.  Radware

 *   Logs are not viewable in browser

  1.  Tail-F

 *   Inconsistent past runs, need updates on status.

  1.  vArmour FWaaS driver

 *   Can't view logs.
 *   Inconsistent runs against patches.

I'd like to take some time in the Monday meeting to go over the issues these
CI systems are having and give the maintainers a chance to discuss this with
us. The third party team is hopeful we can spend the energy in the meeting
working with CI maintainers who are actively interested in making progress
on improving their CI systems.

Per my email to the list in June [4], the expectation is that third party CI
systems in Neutron are running and following the guidelines set forth by
both Neutron and Infra. The weekly meeting is a place to seek help, and
we're happy that a large number of third party CI owners and maintainers
are using this resource.

I'd also like to encourange anyone with a patch for a plugin or driver in 
Neutron
to participate in the third-party meetings going forward as well. This will help
to ensure your CI system is running while your patch is being reviewed, and you
actively work to sort out issues during the review process to ensure smooth
merging of your plugin or driver.

Thank you!
Kyle

[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ZLp9Ow3tNq
[2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronThirdPartyTesting
[3] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty
[4] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037665.html
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[openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] Update on third party CI in Neutron

2014-07-11 Thread Kyle Mestery
Since Juno-2 is quickly approaching, I wanted to update everyone on where
we're at with regards to third party testing in Neutron. The etherpad here
[1]
was the original link with status. The link here [2] shows what is expected
of
Neutron third party CI systems.

On the CI status side, I'd like to ask the owners of the following CI
systems
to attend Monday's third party meeting [3] to discuss the status of their CI
systems. These are the ones which appear to be in trouble, aren't running,
or have some issues.


   1. Cisco
  1. Not enough logs being saved.
  2. Log retention issues.
   2. Citrix Netscaler LBaaS driver
  1. I don't think this has a third party CI system running.
   3. Embrane (both plugin and LBaaS driver)
  1. Logs are tarred up and not viewable in web browser.
  2. Inconsistent runs at times.
   4. IBM SDN-VE
  1. Currently inactive, moving to a new system.
   5. One Convergence
  1. Very high failure rate for patch runs.
   6. OpenDaylight
  1. Logs are tarred up and not viewable in web browser
   7. PLUMgrid
  1. Not saving enough logs
   8. Radware
  1. Logs are not viewable in browser
   9. Tail-F
  1. Inconsistent past runs, need updates on status.
   10. vArmour FWaaS driver
  1. Can't view logs.
  2. Inconsistent runs against patches.


I'd like to take some time in the Monday meeting to go over the issues these
CI systems are having and give the maintainers a chance to discuss this with
us. The third party team is hopeful we can spend the energy in the meeting
working with CI maintainers who are actively interested in making progress
on improving their CI systems.

Per my email to the list in June [4], the expectation is that third party CI
systems in Neutron are running and following the guidelines set forth by
both Neutron and Infra. The weekly meeting is a place to seek help, and
we're happy that a large number of third party CI owners and maintainers
are using this resource.

I'd also like to encourange anyone with a patch for a plugin or driver in
Neutron
to participate in the third-party meetings going forward as well. This will
help
to ensure your CI system is running while your patch is being reviewed, and
you
actively work to sort out issues during the review process to ensure smooth
merging of your plugin or driver.

Thank you!
Kyle

[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ZLp9Ow3tNq
[2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronThirdPartyTesting
[3] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty
[4] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037665.html
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