Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Eoghan Glynn
As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog posts and mailing list threads related to changing our governance model to a series of patches against the openstack/governance repository [1]. I have tried to include all of the inputs, as well as my own opinions, and

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Thierry Carrez
Eoghan Glynn wrote: As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog posts and mailing list threads related to changing our governance model to a series of patches against the openstack/governance repository [1]. I have tried to include all of the inputs, as well as my

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Oct 3, 2014, at 7:13 AM, Eoghan Glynn egl...@redhat.com wrote: As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog posts and mailing list threads related to changing our governance model to a series of patches against the openstack/governance repository [1]. I have

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen devananda@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Oct 3, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Oct 3, 2014, at 7:13 AM, Eoghan Glynn egl...@redhat.com wrote: As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog posts and mailing list threads related to changing our governance model to a

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Anne Gentle
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen devananda@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Doug Hellmann

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Sean Dague
On 10/03/2014 09:25 AM, Anne Gentle wrote: On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com mailto:d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com mailto:joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Chris Dent
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Anne Gentle wrote: I'm reading and reading and reading and my thoughts keep returning to, we're optimizing only for dev. :) Yes, +many. In my reading it seems like we are trying to optimize the process for developers which is exactly the opposite of what we want to be

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Chris Dent
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Sean Dague wrote: OpenStack is enough parts that you can mix and match as much as you want, but much like the 600 config options in Nova, we really can't document every combination of things. People seem to talk about this flexibility as if it were a good thing. It's not.

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Oct 3, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Anne Gentle a...@openstack.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Dean Troyer
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Chris Dent chd...@redhat.com wrote: People seem to talk about this flexibility as if it were a good thing. It's not. There's tyranny of choice all over OpenStack. Is that good for real people or just large players and our corporate hosts? + We

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Jay Pipes
On 10/03/2014 10:06 AM, Chris Dent wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Anne Gentle wrote: I'm reading and reading and reading and my thoughts keep returning to, we're optimizing only for dev. :) Yes, +many. plus infinity. In my reading it seems like we are trying to optimize the process for

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Joe Gordon
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen devananda@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Doug Hellmann

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Eoghan Glynn
- Original Message - On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen devananda@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Joe Gordon
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Eoghan Glynn egl...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 2,

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:25 AM, Anne Gentle a...@openstack.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:47 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 10/03/2014 09:25 AM, Anne Gentle wrote: On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com mailto:d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-03 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/03/2014 10:06 AM, Chris Dent wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Anne Gentle wrote: I'm reading and reading and reading and my thoughts keep returning to, we're optimizing only for dev. :) Yes, +many. plus infinity. In

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-02 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog posts and mailing list threads related to changing our governance model to a series of patches against the openstack/governance repository [1]. I

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-02 Thread Joe Gordon
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen devananda@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog posts and mailing list threads related to changing our

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for big tent model

2014-10-02 Thread Chris Friesen
On 10/02/2014 10:46 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: After seeing Jay's idea of making a yaml file modeling things and talking to devananda about this I went ahead and tried to graph the relationships out. repo: https://github.com/jogo/graphing-openstack preliminary YAML file: