On Oct 3, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Anne Gentle <a...@openstack.org> wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Doug Hellmann <d...@doughellmann.com> wrote: > > On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon <joe.gord...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen >> <devananda....@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Doug Hellmann <d...@doughellmann.com> wrote: >> > As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog >> > posts and mailing list threads related to changing our governance model to >> > a series of patches against the openstack/governance repository [1]. >> > >> > I have tried to include all of the inputs, as well as my own opinions, and >> > look at how each proposal needs to be reflected in our current policies so >> > we do not drop commitments we want to retain along with the processes we >> > are shedding [2]. >> > >> > I am sure we need more discussion, so I have staged the changes as a >> > series rather than one big patch. Please consider the patches together >> > when commenting. There are many related changes, and some incremental >> > steps won’t make sense without the changes that come after (hey, just like >> > code!). >> > >> > Doug >> > >> > [1] >> > https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/governance+branch:master+topic:big-tent,n,z >> > [2] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/big-tent-notes >> >> I've summed up a lot of my current thinking on this etherpad as well >> (I should really blog, but hey ...) >> >> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/in-pursuit-of-a-new-taxonomy >> >> >> After seeing Jay's idea of making a yaml file modeling things and talking to >> devananda about this I went ahead and tried to graph the relationships out. >> >> repo: https://github.com/jogo/graphing-openstack >> preliminary YAML file: >> https://github.com/jogo/graphing-openstack/blob/master/openstack.yaml >> sample graph: http://i.imgur.com/LwlkE73.png >> >> It turns out its really hard to figure out what the relationships are >> without digging deep into the code for each project, so I am sure I got a >> few things wrong (along with missing a lot of projects). > > The relationships are very important for setting up an optimal gate > structure. I’m less convinced they are important for setting up the > governance structure, and I do not think we want a specific gate > configuration embedded in the governance structure at all. That’s why I’ve > tried to describe general relationships (“optional inter-project dependences” > vs. “strict co-dependent project groups” [1]) up until the very last patch in > the series [2], which redefines the integrated release in terms of those > other relationships and a base set of projects. > > > I'm reading and reading and reading and my thoughts keep returning to, "we're > optimizing only for dev." :)
Yes, that’s a gap in what has been proposed. There is some discussion about addressing cross-project teams more fully on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125789/ and I agree we need to be more explicit about our intent, both in saying which cross-project teams are official and what that means to the other teams. Doug > > I need to either get over that or decide what parts need tweaking for docs > and support optimization. I'll get going on reviews -- thanks a bunch for all > this compilation and for the good blog writing. Much appreciated. > > Anne > > Doug > > [1] > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125785/2/reference/project-testing-policies.rst > [2] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125789/ > >> >> -Deva >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenStack-dev mailing list >> OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenStack-dev mailing list >> OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
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