Re: [openstack-dev] Operators Design Summit ideas for Atlanta
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 08:24:00AM -0500, Dolph Mathews wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:40 PM, Adam Young ayo...@redhat.com wrote: On 03/28/2014 03:01 AM, Tom Fifield wrote: Thanks to those projects that responded. I've proposed sessions in swift, ceilometer, tripleO and horizon. Keystone would also be interested in user feedback, of course. Crossing openstack-dev threads [1] here, gathering feedback on proposed deprecations would be a great topic for such a session. [1] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/031652.html +1, I think a cross-project session on deprecation strategy/process would be hugely beneficial, particularly if we can solicit feedback from operators and deployers at the same time to agree a workable process. Steve ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Operators Design Summit ideas for Atlanta
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 03:01:30PM +0800, Tom Fifield wrote: Thanks to those projects that responded. I've proposed sessions in swift, ceilometer, tripleO and horizon. I just created a session for Heat: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/247 Historically Heat sessions have been quite well attended by operators and deployers with lots of real-world feedback from users. However I still think having a specific session dedicated to this discussion could be good, and would potentially serve to provide some additional focus and defininition between user-visible and internal-design discussions. Steve ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Operators Design Summit ideas for Atlanta
It would be incredibly useful to get some of the packagers into this conversation too. Matt On 4/8/14 4:51 AM, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 08:24:00AM -0500, Dolph Mathews wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:40 PM, Adam Young ayo...@redhat.com wrote: On 03/28/2014 03:01 AM, Tom Fifield wrote: Thanks to those projects that responded. I've proposed sessions in swift, ceilometer, tripleO and horizon. Keystone would also be interested in user feedback, of course. Crossing openstack-dev threads [1] here, gathering feedback on proposed deprecations would be a great topic for such a session. [1] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/031652.html +1, I think a cross-project session on deprecation strategy/process would be hugely beneficial, particularly if we can solicit feedback from operators and deployers at the same time to agree a workable process. Steve ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Operators Design Summit ideas for Atlanta
Hi Steve I believe this is a good idea, and what would also be good is to get input from the Telco Cloud Providers who run and view networks much differently that the traditional enterprise/hosting companies and the type of services and Configuration Deployment models are very differently. The Telco services is something Openstack clearly need help in understanding. /Alan -Original Message- From: Steven Hardy [mailto:sha...@redhat.com] Sent: April-08-14 5:56 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Operators Design Summit ideas for Atlanta On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 03:01:30PM +0800, Tom Fifield wrote: Thanks to those projects that responded. I've proposed sessions in swift, ceilometer, tripleO and horizon. I just created a session for Heat: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/247 Historically Heat sessions have been quite well attended by operators and deployers with lots of real-world feedback from users. However I still think having a specific session dedicated to this discussion could be good, and would potentially serve to provide some additional focus and defininition between user-visible and internal-design discussions. Steve ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Operators Design Summit ideas for Atlanta
This is a really good initiative Tom, and from an ops perspective the main frustration we have is on the Neutron side and also on lack to Tool support. Alan -Original Message- From: Tom Fifield [mailto:t...@openstack.org] Sent: April-06-14 10:23 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Operators Design Summit ideas for Atlanta So far, there's been no comment from anyone working on nova, so there's been no session proposed. I can, of course, propose a session ... but without buy-in from the project team it's unlikely to be accepted. Regards, Tom On 01/04/14 22:44, Matt Van Winkle wrote: So, I've been watching the etherpad and the summit submissions and I noticed that there isn't anything for nova. Maybe I'm off base, but it seems like we'd be missing the mark to not have a Developer/Operator's exchange on the key product. Is there anything we can do to get a session slotted like these other products? Thanks! Matt On 3/28/14 2:01 AM, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: Thanks to those projects that responded. I've proposed sessions in swift, ceilometer, tripleO and horizon. On 17/03/14 07:54, Tom Fifield wrote: All, Many times we've heard a desire for more feedback and interaction from users. However, their attendance at design summit sessions is met with varied success. However, last summit, by happy accident, a swift session turned into a something a lot more user driven. A competent user was able to describe their use case, and the developers were able to stage a number of question to them. In this way, some of the assumptions about the way certain things were implemented, and the various priorities of future plans became clearer. It worked really well ... perhaps this is something we'd like to have happen for all the projects? *Idea*: Add an ops session for each project in the design summit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-sessions Most operators running OpenStack tend to treat it more holistically than those coding it. They are aware of, but don't necessarily think or work in terms of project breakdowns. To this end, I'd imagine the such sessions would: * have a primary purpose for developers to ask the operators to answer questions, and request information * allow operators to tell the developers things (give feedback) as a secondary purpose that could potentially be covered better in a cross-project session * need good moderation, for example to push operator-to-operator discussion into forums with more time available (eg https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-unconference-RFC ) * be reinforced by having volunteer good users in potentially every design summit session (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-in-design-sessions ) Anyway, just a strawman - please jump on the etherpad (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-session s) or leave your replies here! Regards, Tom ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Operators Design Summit ideas for Atlanta
Based on some off-list chatter with Michael, Tom and others, I went ahead and submitted a proposal for a nova session - http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/245 - and used Tom's wording from those submitted to other products. This will hold a place while the Nova PTL election finishes and we'll go from there. Thanks! Matt On 4/6/14 9:32 PM, Michael Still mi...@stillhq.com wrote: It might be that this is happening because there is no clear incumbent for the Nova PTL position. Is it ok to hold off on this until after the outcome of the election is known? Michael On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: So far, there's been no comment from anyone working on nova, so there's been no session proposed. I can, of course, propose a session ... but without buy-in from the project team it's unlikely to be accepted. Regards, Tom On 01/04/14 22:44, Matt Van Winkle wrote: So, I've been watching the etherpad and the summit submissions and I noticed that there isn't anything for nova. Maybe I'm off base, but it seems like we'd be missing the mark to not have a Developer/Operator's exchange on the key product. Is there anything we can do to get a session slotted like these other products? Thanks! Matt On 3/28/14 2:01 AM, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: Thanks to those projects that responded. I've proposed sessions in swift, ceilometer, tripleO and horizon. On 17/03/14 07:54, Tom Fifield wrote: All, Many times we've heard a desire for more feedback and interaction from users. However, their attendance at design summit sessions is met with varied success. However, last summit, by happy accident, a swift session turned into a something a lot more user driven. A competent user was able to describe their use case, and the developers were able to stage a number of question to them. In this way, some of the assumptions about the way certain things were implemented, and the various priorities of future plans became clearer. It worked really well ... perhaps this is something we'd like to have happen for all the projects? *Idea*: Add an ops session for each project in the design summit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-sessi ons Most operators running OpenStack tend to treat it more holistically than those coding it. They are aware of, but don't necessarily think or work in terms of project breakdowns. To this end, I'd imagine the such sessions would: * have a primary purpose for developers to ask the operators to answer questions, and request information * allow operators to tell the developers things (give feedback) as a secondary purpose that could potentially be covered better in a cross-project session * need good moderation, for example to push operator-to-operator discussion into forums with more time available (eg https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-unconference-RFC ) * be reinforced by having volunteer good users in potentially every design summit session (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-in-design-sessions ) Anyway, just a strawman - please jump on the etherpad (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-sess ion s) or leave your replies here! Regards, Tom ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Rackspace Australia ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Operators Design Summit ideas for Atlanta
So far, there's been no comment from anyone working on nova, so there's been no session proposed. I can, of course, propose a session ... but without buy-in from the project team it's unlikely to be accepted. Regards, Tom On 01/04/14 22:44, Matt Van Winkle wrote: So, I've been watching the etherpad and the summit submissions and I noticed that there isn't anything for nova. Maybe I'm off base, but it seems like we'd be missing the mark to not have a Developer/Operator's exchange on the key product. Is there anything we can do to get a session slotted like these other products? Thanks! Matt On 3/28/14 2:01 AM, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: Thanks to those projects that responded. I've proposed sessions in swift, ceilometer, tripleO and horizon. On 17/03/14 07:54, Tom Fifield wrote: All, Many times we've heard a desire for more feedback and interaction from users. However, their attendance at design summit sessions is met with varied success. However, last summit, by happy accident, a swift session turned into a something a lot more user driven. A competent user was able to describe their use case, and the developers were able to stage a number of question to them. In this way, some of the assumptions about the way certain things were implemented, and the various priorities of future plans became clearer. It worked really well ... perhaps this is something we'd like to have happen for all the projects? *Idea*: Add an ops session for each project in the design summit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-sessions Most operators running OpenStack tend to treat it more holistically than those coding it. They are aware of, but don't necessarily think or work in terms of project breakdowns. To this end, I'd imagine the such sessions would: * have a primary purpose for developers to ask the operators to answer questions, and request information * allow operators to tell the developers things (give feedback) as a secondary purpose that could potentially be covered better in a cross-project session * need good moderation, for example to push operator-to-operator discussion into forums with more time available (eg https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-unconference-RFC ) * be reinforced by having volunteer good users in potentially every design summit session (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-in-design-sessions ) Anyway, just a strawman - please jump on the etherpad (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-session s) or leave your replies here! Regards, Tom ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Operators Design Summit ideas for Atlanta
It might be that this is happening because there is no clear incumbent for the Nova PTL position. Is it ok to hold off on this until after the outcome of the election is known? Michael On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: So far, there's been no comment from anyone working on nova, so there's been no session proposed. I can, of course, propose a session ... but without buy-in from the project team it's unlikely to be accepted. Regards, Tom On 01/04/14 22:44, Matt Van Winkle wrote: So, I've been watching the etherpad and the summit submissions and I noticed that there isn't anything for nova. Maybe I'm off base, but it seems like we'd be missing the mark to not have a Developer/Operator's exchange on the key product. Is there anything we can do to get a session slotted like these other products? Thanks! Matt On 3/28/14 2:01 AM, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: Thanks to those projects that responded. I've proposed sessions in swift, ceilometer, tripleO and horizon. On 17/03/14 07:54, Tom Fifield wrote: All, Many times we've heard a desire for more feedback and interaction from users. However, their attendance at design summit sessions is met with varied success. However, last summit, by happy accident, a swift session turned into a something a lot more user driven. A competent user was able to describe their use case, and the developers were able to stage a number of question to them. In this way, some of the assumptions about the way certain things were implemented, and the various priorities of future plans became clearer. It worked really well ... perhaps this is something we'd like to have happen for all the projects? *Idea*: Add an ops session for each project in the design summit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-sessions Most operators running OpenStack tend to treat it more holistically than those coding it. They are aware of, but don't necessarily think or work in terms of project breakdowns. To this end, I'd imagine the such sessions would: * have a primary purpose for developers to ask the operators to answer questions, and request information * allow operators to tell the developers things (give feedback) as a secondary purpose that could potentially be covered better in a cross-project session * need good moderation, for example to push operator-to-operator discussion into forums with more time available (eg https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-unconference-RFC ) * be reinforced by having volunteer good users in potentially every design summit session (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-in-design-sessions ) Anyway, just a strawman - please jump on the etherpad (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-session s) or leave your replies here! Regards, Tom ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Rackspace Australia ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Operators Design Summit ideas for Atlanta
If the timing works, that seems fine :) Regards, Tom On 07/04/14 10:32, Michael Still wrote: It might be that this is happening because there is no clear incumbent for the Nova PTL position. Is it ok to hold off on this until after the outcome of the election is known? Michael On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: So far, there's been no comment from anyone working on nova, so there's been no session proposed. I can, of course, propose a session ... but without buy-in from the project team it's unlikely to be accepted. Regards, Tom On 01/04/14 22:44, Matt Van Winkle wrote: So, I've been watching the etherpad and the summit submissions and I noticed that there isn't anything for nova. Maybe I'm off base, but it seems like we'd be missing the mark to not have a Developer/Operator's exchange on the key product. Is there anything we can do to get a session slotted like these other products? Thanks! Matt On 3/28/14 2:01 AM, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: Thanks to those projects that responded. I've proposed sessions in swift, ceilometer, tripleO and horizon. On 17/03/14 07:54, Tom Fifield wrote: All, Many times we've heard a desire for more feedback and interaction from users. However, their attendance at design summit sessions is met with varied success. However, last summit, by happy accident, a swift session turned into a something a lot more user driven. A competent user was able to describe their use case, and the developers were able to stage a number of question to them. In this way, some of the assumptions about the way certain things were implemented, and the various priorities of future plans became clearer. It worked really well ... perhaps this is something we'd like to have happen for all the projects? *Idea*: Add an ops session for each project in the design summit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-sessions Most operators running OpenStack tend to treat it more holistically than those coding it. They are aware of, but don't necessarily think or work in terms of project breakdowns. To this end, I'd imagine the such sessions would: * have a primary purpose for developers to ask the operators to answer questions, and request information * allow operators to tell the developers things (give feedback) as a secondary purpose that could potentially be covered better in a cross-project session * need good moderation, for example to push operator-to-operator discussion into forums with more time available (eg https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-unconference-RFC ) * be reinforced by having volunteer good users in potentially every design summit session (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-in-design-sessions ) Anyway, just a strawman - please jump on the etherpad (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-session s) or leave your replies here! Regards, Tom ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Operators Design Summit ideas for Atlanta
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:40 PM, Adam Young ayo...@redhat.com wrote: On 03/28/2014 03:01 AM, Tom Fifield wrote: Thanks to those projects that responded. I've proposed sessions in swift, ceilometer, tripleO and horizon. Keystone would also be interested in user feedback, of course. Crossing openstack-dev threads [1] here, gathering feedback on proposed deprecations would be a great topic for such a session. [1] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/031652.html On 17/03/14 07:54, Tom Fifield wrote: All, Many times we've heard a desire for more feedback and interaction from users. However, their attendance at design summit sessions is met with varied success. However, last summit, by happy accident, a swift session turned into a something a lot more user driven. A competent user was able to describe their use case, and the developers were able to stage a number of question to them. In this way, some of the assumptions about the way certain things were implemented, and the various priorities of future plans became clearer. It worked really well ... perhaps this is something we'd like to have happen for all the projects? *Idea*: Add an ops session for each project in the design summit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated- design-summit-sessions Most operators running OpenStack tend to treat it more holistically than those coding it. They are aware of, but don't necessarily think or work in terms of project breakdowns. To this end, I'd imagine the such sessions would: * have a primary purpose for developers to ask the operators to answer questions, and request information * allow operators to tell the developers things (give feedback) as a secondary purpose that could potentially be covered better in a cross-project session * need good moderation, for example to push operator-to-operator discussion into forums with more time available (eg https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-unconference-RFC ) * be reinforced by having volunteer good users in potentially every design summit session (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-in-design-sessions ) Anyway, just a strawman - please jump on the etherpad (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated- design-summit-sessions) or leave your replies here! Regards, Tom ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Operators Design Summit ideas for Atlanta
So, I've been watching the etherpad and the summit submissions and I noticed that there isn't anything for nova. Maybe I'm off base, but it seems like we'd be missing the mark to not have a Developer/Operator's exchange on the key product. Is there anything we can do to get a session slotted like these other products? Thanks! Matt On 3/28/14 2:01 AM, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: Thanks to those projects that responded. I've proposed sessions in swift, ceilometer, tripleO and horizon. On 17/03/14 07:54, Tom Fifield wrote: All, Many times we've heard a desire for more feedback and interaction from users. However, their attendance at design summit sessions is met with varied success. However, last summit, by happy accident, a swift session turned into a something a lot more user driven. A competent user was able to describe their use case, and the developers were able to stage a number of question to them. In this way, some of the assumptions about the way certain things were implemented, and the various priorities of future plans became clearer. It worked really well ... perhaps this is something we'd like to have happen for all the projects? *Idea*: Add an ops session for each project in the design summit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-sessions Most operators running OpenStack tend to treat it more holistically than those coding it. They are aware of, but don't necessarily think or work in terms of project breakdowns. To this end, I'd imagine the such sessions would: * have a primary purpose for developers to ask the operators to answer questions, and request information * allow operators to tell the developers things (give feedback) as a secondary purpose that could potentially be covered better in a cross-project session * need good moderation, for example to push operator-to-operator discussion into forums with more time available (eg https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-unconference-RFC ) * be reinforced by having volunteer good users in potentially every design summit session (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-in-design-sessions ) Anyway, just a strawman - please jump on the etherpad (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-session s) or leave your replies here! Regards, Tom ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Operators Design Summit ideas for Atlanta
Tom, This is a great idea! Feel free to reach out to the user experience folks, as they’ll be interested both in attending and helping coordinate. http://ask-openstackux.rhcloud.com/questions/ openstack-perso...@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-perso...@lists.openstack.org Best, Jacki On Mar 28, 2014, at 2:01 AM, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.orgmailto:t...@openstack.org wrote: Thanks to those projects that responded. I've proposed sessions in swift, ceilometer, tripleO and horizon. On 17/03/14 07:54, Tom Fifield wrote: All, Many times we've heard a desire for more feedback and interaction from users. However, their attendance at design summit sessions is met with varied success. However, last summit, by happy accident, a swift session turned into a something a lot more user driven. A competent user was able to describe their use case, and the developers were able to stage a number of question to them. In this way, some of the assumptions about the way certain things were implemented, and the various priorities of future plans became clearer. It worked really well ... perhaps this is something we'd like to have happen for all the projects? *Idea*: Add an ops session for each project in the design summit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-sessions Most operators running OpenStack tend to treat it more holistically than those coding it. They are aware of, but don't necessarily think or work in terms of project breakdowns. To this end, I'd imagine the such sessions would: * have a primary purpose for developers to ask the operators to answer questions, and request information * allow operators to tell the developers things (give feedback) as a secondary purpose that could potentially be covered better in a cross-project session * need good moderation, for example to push operator-to-operator discussion into forums with more time available (eg https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-unconference-RFC ) * be reinforced by having volunteer good users in potentially every design summit session (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-in-design-sessions ) Anyway, just a strawman - please jump on the etherpad (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-sessions) or leave your replies here! Regards, Tom ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Operators Design Summit ideas for Atlanta
On 03/28/2014 03:01 AM, Tom Fifield wrote: Thanks to those projects that responded. I've proposed sessions in swift, ceilometer, tripleO and horizon. Keystone would also be interested in user feedback, of course. On 17/03/14 07:54, Tom Fifield wrote: All, Many times we've heard a desire for more feedback and interaction from users. However, their attendance at design summit sessions is met with varied success. However, last summit, by happy accident, a swift session turned into a something a lot more user driven. A competent user was able to describe their use case, and the developers were able to stage a number of question to them. In this way, some of the assumptions about the way certain things were implemented, and the various priorities of future plans became clearer. It worked really well ... perhaps this is something we'd like to have happen for all the projects? *Idea*: Add an ops session for each project in the design summit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-sessions Most operators running OpenStack tend to treat it more holistically than those coding it. They are aware of, but don't necessarily think or work in terms of project breakdowns. To this end, I'd imagine the such sessions would: * have a primary purpose for developers to ask the operators to answer questions, and request information * allow operators to tell the developers things (give feedback) as a secondary purpose that could potentially be covered better in a cross-project session * need good moderation, for example to push operator-to-operator discussion into forums with more time available (eg https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-unconference-RFC ) * be reinforced by having volunteer good users in potentially every design summit session (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-in-design-sessions ) Anyway, just a strawman - please jump on the etherpad (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-sessions) or leave your replies here! Regards, Tom ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Operators Design Summit ideas for Atlanta
Thanks to those projects that responded. I've proposed sessions in swift, ceilometer, tripleO and horizon. On 17/03/14 07:54, Tom Fifield wrote: All, Many times we've heard a desire for more feedback and interaction from users. However, their attendance at design summit sessions is met with varied success. However, last summit, by happy accident, a swift session turned into a something a lot more user driven. A competent user was able to describe their use case, and the developers were able to stage a number of question to them. In this way, some of the assumptions about the way certain things were implemented, and the various priorities of future plans became clearer. It worked really well ... perhaps this is something we'd like to have happen for all the projects? *Idea*: Add an ops session for each project in the design summit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-sessions Most operators running OpenStack tend to treat it more holistically than those coding it. They are aware of, but don't necessarily think or work in terms of project breakdowns. To this end, I'd imagine the such sessions would: * have a primary purpose for developers to ask the operators to answer questions, and request information * allow operators to tell the developers things (give feedback) as a secondary purpose that could potentially be covered better in a cross-project session * need good moderation, for example to push operator-to-operator discussion into forums with more time available (eg https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-unconference-RFC ) * be reinforced by having volunteer good users in potentially every design summit session (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-in-design-sessions ) Anyway, just a strawman - please jump on the etherpad (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-dedicated-design-summit-sessions) or leave your replies here! Regards, Tom ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
