Re: [opensuse-marketing] Women in Free and Open Source

2010-09-21 Thread Michael Loeffler
On Tuesday 21 September 2010 05:26:08 Rajko M. wrote:
 On Monday 20 September 2010 16:41:38 Jimmy Pierre wrote:
  ... How about an openSUSE women group?
 
 http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Women
right, and there is a mailing list as well. 
M
 
 but not much more activity since page was created.

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[opensuse-marketing] Helping Ambassadors etc

2010-09-21 Thread Andreas Jaeger
I've put all jobs from http://piratepad.net/akYFw1G6Ct in the openSUSE wiki as 
marketing jobs:
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_jobs

Please help enhancing our marketing material with signing up for a single 
item!

Thanks,
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Re: [opensuse-marketing] Fedora cheat cube...can we have one?

2010-09-21 Thread Kostas Koud
  I've read all you said and I saw the cheat sheets you post,after
that I thought that the cube might not have enough sides and if Fedora
made it maybe we should try and make something slightly different like
a d8 or a d12,  so I looked for paper dices,I found some things but
the best I found was at http://www.dicecollector.com/MY_PAPER.HTM .
 Unfortunately I can't process it enough to make something beautiful
and practical so if someone can do something it would be nice.
Kostas Warlordfff Koudaras

2010/9/21 RICARDO CHUNG ricardo.a.ch...@gmail.com

 On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:00 AM, Chuck Payne terror...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Stephen Shaw ss...@decriptor.com wrote:
  I have a pdf that I create for South East Linux Fest based on 11.2, I
  need to update to 11.3, but it also needs the touch of some better at
  graphic design. I made this to go along with the zypper hands outs we
  have.
 
 
  I'll pass this on to my wife and see what see can do with it.
 
  Cheers,
  Stephen
 
  PS Since my wife isn't a linux person, any suggestions, comments, etc
  would be very useful.  (She is in the CC)
 
 
  AJ, Asked me to post to the wiki. I will try to get it up there today
  along with the Open Office Doc.
 
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 Hey

 opeSUSE has Zypper Cheat Sheet at http://old-en.opensuse.org/Zypper/Usage
 Can we make a new design like that F Cube or maybe a better other polygon.

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Re: [opensuse-marketing] Fedora cheat cube...can we have one?

2010-09-21 Thread jdd
same kind of thing, an old (2001) O'Reilly poster:

ftp://ftp.oreilly.de/pub/poster/oreilly_linux_poster.pdf

(notice this a link to a pdf and firefox don't like it, you have to
make a copy paste from the mail, clicking on the link don't work for me

jdd


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Re: [opensuse-marketing] Fedora cheat cube...can we have one?

2010-09-21 Thread RICARDO CHUNG
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Chuck Payne terror...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Will Stephenson wstephen...@suse.de wrote:
 On Tuesday 21 September 2010 13:31:48 Kostas Koud wrote:
   I've read all you said and I saw the cheat sheets you post,after
 that I thought that the cube might not have enough sides and if Fedora
 made it maybe we should try and make something slightly different like
 a d8 or a d12,  so I looked for paper dices,I found some things but
 the best I found was at http://www.dicecollector.com/MY_PAPER.HTM .
  Unfortunately I can't process it enough to make something beautiful
 and practical so if someone can do something it would be nice.
 Kostas Warlordfff Koudaras

 +1, anyone who has bought the SUSE boxes from before 9.0 will know that a
 'cheat' item for SUSE has to be a polyhedron with a lot of faces.

 Although perhaps a 'cheat dodecahedron' where fedora has a cube might make us
 look hard to use ;).

 Will

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 Will I have all my Disc from 5.3 and on. I use to love the shapes that
 were on the boxes. I like to see for the DVD cover of 11.4 maybe one
 of those retro S.u.S.E design. I need to scan my disc cover and post
 them.

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The Fedora Cheat Cube was constructed reducing and selecting a few
commands. They don't put the whole stuff just selecting some commands
to put there. So we could choose the most important commands too. If I
can remember they did make some vote to choose which one is going to
be set on it.

Another way if we can find an articulate polyhedron dice to set
several commands on its faces.

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Re: [opensuse-ambassadors] Re: [opensuse-marketing] Women in Free and Open Source

2010-09-21 Thread Izabel Valverde
Hei Helen, Hello all,

I'm not sure if I would like to go through this kind of discussion...

We have several initiatives to make women feel confortable in FOSS or
in any other IT issues. As developer in the past and as manager
nowdays the only thing that I can say is: it's hard but wich
profession isn't?!?

My best women group reference: http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Women%27s_Caucus
after read you will see besides Barriers to women's participation we
all looking for the same ideal!

Best,

Izabel



2010/9/20 Helen postmodernhousew...@gmail.com

 Jimmy et al,

 (sorry to hear about your car, Jimmy!)

 Interesting idea - I'm in two minds about this; on the one hand,
 clearly we need to encourage women to use and participate in FOSS and
 openSUSE specifically; on the other hand, 'tokenism'  (ie being
 included just becuase of your gender) and being treated as a minority
 group is something I find embarrassing. I want to be included because,
 well, I'm cool and I know stuff and do a good job, you know. Gender is
 pretty much irrelevant to me most of the time.

 My experience so far of FOSS is one of unquestioning inclusiveness -
 Oh you're starting a LUG? Cool, how can we help? We're having a chat
 on IRC, come join in Although someone on the marketing channel
 the other day mentioned some women even receiving threats for
 intruding on the 'boy's club'. So that was a surprise to me, and I was
 sorry to hear it.

 Having said all that, given that it is a very male-dominated
 community, it's probably a good idea to have an avenue where women's
 concerns can be aired and we can talk about specific ways to appeal to
 women and to facilitate their involvement. I think Izabel Valverde
 might have something to say about this too, I hope, we had a brief
 chat the other day.

 I think this ties in with the current interest in identifying our
 users and community. (I feel these two groups are distinct: users can
 become community)

 I'd certainly be willing to be involved.

 Helen

 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Jimmy Pierre
 jimmypierre.rouen.fra...@gmail.com wrote:
  Greetings,
 
  My report on SFD 2010 will be delayed because my car was vandalized last 
  night. However, while waiting for the paperwork, I had this idea:
 
  Women in Free and Open Source
 
  Most distribution have a women group. How about an openSUSE women group? 
  Hence, women ambassadors? I know many women in France that I can approach 
  on this matter.
 
  Just my 2 cents :-)
 
  Cheers,
 
  Jimmy
 
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[opensuse-marketing] Re: Promo around openSUSE conference

2010-09-21 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Monday 13 September 2010 22:35:53 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
 Dear friends,
 
 I have made a page describing the tasks to do for the openSUSE conference. 
 Input is welcome, especially of the kind I will do that. IOW feel free to 
 add things, especially if it's your name behind a task!
 
 'on the ground', as in at the conference, we need at least 5-7 peeps to cover 
 the tracks, make good photo's for flickr and articles and take care of the 
 press. Who feels up for it?
 
 Check the plan:
 http://piratepad.net/H9whQFD9wU
 
 Cheers
 Jos
 

Hi all,

So this doc has been extended a bit - but most tasks are still not going to be 
done unless somebody steps up. Anyone? Really, they're easy, just ask here if 
you need any advice or input on what exactly to do to tick 'em off...

Can/would help the conference a lot!

AT the conference we really need peeps to help communicate to the rest of the 
community at home - writing, blogging, tweeting... It ain't difficult and helps 
the folks who couldn't come a lot! Think about it if you go.

Cheers,
Jos


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[opensuse-marketing] Report on Software Freedom Day 2010

2010-09-21 Thread Jimmy Pierre
Greetings,

The car had to be towed to a Dealer because, the windscreen was smashed.

OK, SFD 2010, where do I begin?

We solicited the Propaganda machine:
News papers: Paris - Normandie, Rouen Magazine
National Radios : RTL and France Bleue
RSS :  All LUGs in France
Forums: Our usual partners alionet.org
Mailing lists : opensuse-fr, interlug, april.org .
Posters: printed on A3 in colour
Uniforms : no openSUSE t-shirts, we indulged in Novell shirts
Banners : Novell Users International
DVDs : Thanks to openSUSE 11.3 only as we gave all our stock of 11.1 at RMLL
in Bordeaux.
Material : 5 laptops with openSUSE 11.3 and in standby 16 Boxes with
openSUSE 11.1 - 11.2,
WI-FI: Our partners of Rouen-Wireless were there
Room for the venue : Rouen City Associations House
Logistics, refreshments  food : NUI.fr
Participants: NUI.fr, wikimedia France  LANPOWER
Websites: nui.fr jmll.fr jmll.org jmll.info  softwarefreedomday.org
Ranking and web submission : AddWeb

We were overwhelmed  by the visitors. We distributed 211 openSUSE 11.3 DVDs
to the casual visitors and a few SUSE 11 SP1 to people from the Ministry of
Education. 

We started sfd with demonstration of CMS, we showed fresh installation and
tweaking of software from http://opensourcecms.com This took a couple of
hours because the process was challenging and over a wireless link sometimes
falling at 2mb.

Coffee break and we struggled our way into FOSS games. The audience was
quite interested that you could use Linux to work but also to play games and
some of them are clones of Windows games. We gave some advice on using
Wine, but demonstrated that installation of openSUSE 11.3 alongside with
Windows would be their best bet. Dual booting and showing how to configure
in Yast.

We taught people into installing openSUSE 11.3 (OK we cheated here) on a
particular laptop (a fast one). There were a few challengers. Some people
deeply anchored into Ubuntu and Debian were a bit cold on doing the big
move! One guy even came with his laptop loaded with CentOS not to nag us but
to ask advice on wireless. I showed him how easy we were connected with 5
makes of laptops (Asus, HP, Packard bell, Compaq) with wireless. He will
give openSUSE a try!

We had our usual visitors and fans and in particular the Chess Club of the
city. He wants to interface his Chess board with a Linux box. Well, if any
of you has some ideas.. 

We had a debate on Gnome and KDE 4. This does drain your brains because it's
like loving automatic car v/s a manual car. Both cars work fine, it's like
tea with sugar or just tea.

Wikimedia France was there and gave a lecture on wikis, that was
interesting, I did learn a few things as well. We showed the wiki of
softwarefreedomday.org and we were the *only* LUG in France doing something.

We finished the day with practical labs on openSSH, mRemote, Xen, blogs
(mainly WP), CSS.

Each visitor was given a pen to write our email down and then they could
keep it! What a pity, no pens left, not even for me!

There were many other stories, but time is of essence, so I'll keep it
short. We are now getting ready for the next round 16th October, 2010.

We ran out of battery for our camera so here are the pics secured : 

http://www.nui.fr/linpha/viewer.php?albid=14stage=1

Best wishes,
Jimmy



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[opensuse-marketing] opensuse tour in Nicaragua Oct. 26

2010-09-21 Thread Agustin Chavarria
Hi!

In the community of opensuse in Nicaragua, we're organizing a Tour for
all university of Nicaragua, the idea of the tour is promote the use
of free software and opensuse.

We will have the first event in October, we don't have a confirm date,
but it's probable between October 18 and october 20.

In this event we will have some conference and workshops.

Agenda:

1-Principal Application of opensuse 11.3
2-Why you have to use opensuse?
3-openGarrobito and openGarrobito Zimbra version.

we will have only 2 workshops:

1-Mail Server in SLES 11 using Zimbra
2-Graphic design tools in opensuse.


The art work is coming soon :P

I want to know if opensuse can help us with some marketing material.
Like promoDVDs, Banners and T-shirts.

Thanks! ;)

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Re: [opensuse-ambassadors] Re: [opensuse-marketing] Women in Free and Open Source

2010-09-21 Thread Helen
Jimmy, thank you for sharing your experiences. It's funny, mine are a
little similar, except that I'm the one grabbing the keyboard! It's
not because you're the man, it's just because you're the one who knows
what to do in this situation.

The separateness of conversation over a meal that you mention is just
because of different interests. When my husband talks work with his
colleagues, I'll talk about whatever with their wives. We don't share
their work. Often we have little in common other than babies and
housekeeping (sadly they are never into computers, either.) A LUG is a
different matter!  We are all there to share a common interest.

That link that Izabel provided is an excellent resource, and includes
some sound analysis of the issues, as well as suggestions for
affirmative action.

That you want to encourage women in Linux is wonderful, but I don't
think a group is really the way to go. It just encourages separation.
From the participants on these lists it's clear that openSUSE has a
focus of building an inclusive community, and that, I think, is the
way to go. It's not a 'neat and tidy' solution - you can't set a page
up and it's all done. It's an ongoing commitment. Standing up to
abusive or exclusive behavior can be a little confronting at times.

I don't feel 'geeky' language or jargon is a particular problem for
women - it can be for any non-computer people. Sometimes jargon is a
useful, efficient way of communicating. And sometimes we like being
part of the 'in crowd' and using our secret language! There is maybe a
cultural difference between the programmer/developer group and the non
technical general user/community group, and that could be alienating
to both women and men who don't feel they are knowledgeable enough to
be involved (when of course they can contribute in many other ways).

warmest wishes

Helen




On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:38 AM, Jimmy Pierre
jimmypierre.rouen.fra...@gmail.com wrote:

 I totally agree with you about women being a minority in Linux. Should we men 
 try to talk less in Geek language for starters? OK, we are busy, and when our 
 wives ask for something, what I tend to do is not giving the attention that 
 she deserves, but attempting to get hold of the keyboard or mouse and solve 
 whatever the problem was. I do the same with my sister, friends and 
 neighbours. Slap!

 snip for brevity

 I feel like buying them a domain name LinuxPourNousLesFemmes like the famous 
 cosmetics advert  Stop! What am I doing right now? I am even choosing their 
 LUG name? Sorry!


 Just my 2 cents.

 Best,
 Jimmy
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Re: [opensuse-marketing] General question about engaging asian communities

2010-09-21 Thread Satoru Matsumoto

Hi Nelson,

(2010/09/21 0:39), Nelson Marques wrote:


  If there's anything we can help the Japanese community, though we're
far away, we can always try to help.


Thanks an awful lot!  Although I can help the Portuguese community 
little, I'm always ready to do so, too. :-)


People think that there're few things they can contribute. But everyone 
can say Thank you to others efforts, at least. I believe that's the 
easiest, but most important contribution. I hope to see our community is 
filled with Thank you. ;-)


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