Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls YANG Doctor review

2022-10-17 Thread tom petch
From: OPSAWG on behalf of Thomas Fossati Sent: 17 October 2022 11:10 Hi, all, I was asked to bring to the list one comment from my shepherd write-up [1]; specifically, that draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls hasn't been reviewed by the YANG Doctors (yet). There seems to be an expectation [2] that the

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls YANG Doctor review

2022-10-17 Thread Thomas Fossati
Hi Med, On 17/10/2022, 12:01, wrote: > I don’t see why this draft should be an exception. Thanks for confirming. > BTW in addition to the yang doctors review, I suggest to also request > an early secdir review. Thanks. I agree and suggested the same in the write-up. cheers, t -- IMPORTANT

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls YANG Doctor review

2022-10-17 Thread mohamed.boucadair
draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls YANG Doctor review Hi, all, I was asked to bring to the list one comment from my shepherd write-up [1]; specifically, that draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls hasn't been reviewed by the YANG Doctors (yet). There seems to be an expectation [2] that the YANG Doctor review is

[OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls YANG Doctor review

2022-10-17 Thread Thomas Fossati
Hi, all, I was asked to bring to the list one comment from my shepherd write-up [1]; specifically, that draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls hasn't been reviewed by the YANG Doctors (yet). There seems to be an expectation [2] that the YANG Doctor review is completed before or during WGLC. I am not sure whe

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud

2018-02-19 Thread Eliot Lear
Yes, but they're not quite ready for release (I know of at least two).  I think they're waiting for this doc to get finished. On 19.02.18 19:07, Marco Davids (SIDN) wrote: > Op 19-02-18 om 17:38 schreef Eliot Lear: > >>> I know of some >>> people working to implement this.  I don't think they are

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud

2018-02-19 Thread Marco Davids (SIDN)
Op 19-02-18 om 17:38 schreef Eliot Lear: I know of some people working to implement this.  I don't think they are all on this list.  Have you run this by them to see if this limits any use cases out of the box? I have.  I think they're okay with it. Anyone knows if these implementations-in-t

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud

2018-02-19 Thread Eliot Lear
On 19.02.18 16:30, Joe Clarke wrote: > Speaking as a contributor... > > On 2/19/18 05:03, Eliot Lear wrote: > > All, > > > Mark Nottingham and I had some extensive conversations about how > > to handle the MUD URL.  The issue is was that Mark identified a > > potential violation of a best practic

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud

2018-02-19 Thread Joe Clarke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Speaking as a contributor... On 2/19/18 05:03, Eliot Lear wrote: > All, > > Mark Nottingham and I had some extensive conversations about how > to handle the MUD URL. The issue is was that Mark identified a > potential violation of a best practice in

[OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud

2018-02-19 Thread Eliot Lear
All, Mark Nottingham and I had some extensive conversations about how to handle the MUD URL.  The issue is was that Mark identified a potential violation of a best practice in the way the URL was structured.  The principles I seek to maintain are these: * The base MUD URL is formed solely by th

[OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud and .well-known

2018-02-05 Thread Eliot Lear
Everyone, In discussions as part of the GENART review processes, Mark Nottingham has further clarified his concerns about the use of .well-known.  He would prefer that we abandon its use altogether.  He suggests instead that we use the templating approach for parameters that are coming from the MU

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-15 ACL operators

2018-01-31 Thread Eliot Lear
On 31.01.18 21:35, M. Ranganathan wrote: > The ACL draft has various operators for ports, including eq, lte, gte > > Does a compliant MUD implementation have to support all of these > operators? If ONLY eq is required to be supported (I hope ) , can this > be stated in the draft. All.  The MUD f

[OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-15 ACL operators

2018-01-31 Thread M. Ranganathan
The ACL draft has various operators for ports, including eq, lte, gte Does a compliant MUD implementation have to support all of these operators? If ONLY eq is required to be supported (I hope ) , can this be stated in the draft. Given that port ranges can be specified I wonder why the other comp

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-15 naming nit

2018-01-30 Thread Eliot Lear
Hi Ranga, I understand this to be a tooling issue.  Nevertheless, I will revert the change back to mud-acl as we progress the draft. Eliot On 30.01.18 21:53, M. Ranganathan wrote: > In the acldns yang file I see > augment "/acl:access-lists/acl:acl/acl:aces/acl:ace/acl:matches" { >d

[OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-15 naming nit

2018-01-30 Thread M. Ranganathan
In the acldns yang file I see augment "/acl:access-lists/acl:acl/acl:aces/acl:ace/acl:matches" { description "adding abstractions to avoid need of IP addresses"; container mud { This leads to a few annoying naming conflicts when the Yang file is used to auto-generate

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-12: MUD Draft : Identifying the Router.

2017-10-10 Thread M. Ranganathan
Hi Eliot, On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: > Hi Ranga, > > On 10/9/17 2:54 PM, M. Ranganathan wrote: > > Hello, > > I am implementing MUD using an external controller. i.e. a cloud resident > controller that could potentially control several "home" routers. I need > some way of

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-12: MUD Draft : Identifying the Router.

2017-10-09 Thread Eliot Lear
Hi Ranga, On 10/9/17 2:54 PM, M. Ranganathan wrote: > Hello, > > I am implementing MUD using an external controller. i.e. a cloud > resident controller that could potentially control several "home" > routers. I need some way of communicating the address of the LAN > router to the controller but I

[OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-12: MUD Draft : Identifying the Router.

2017-10-09 Thread M. Ranganathan
Hello, I am implementing MUD using an external controller. i.e. a cloud resident controller that could potentially control several "home" routers. I need some way of communicating the address of the LAN router to the controller but I can't figure out where this is specified. I would have expected

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud: YANG validation

2017-09-21 Thread Mahesh Jethanandani
I have fixed these warning. Eliot, I am including the updated ACL models. Can you verify?These changes will be uploaded as part of the next update that Sonal is planning to post on Oct. 2. ietf-access-control-list@2017-09-21.yang Description: Binary data ietf-packet-fields@2017-09-21.yang Descri

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-10.txt : Error in sample MUD profile.

2017-09-19 Thread Eliot Lear
Thanks, Ranga.  I confirm this is indeed a bug in the example, and will take your correction.  What happened was that we changed "is-supported" to mandatory based on Joe's suggestion, but I failed to make the change in the tool that generated the example.  I am correcting this in my working copy.

[OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-10.txt : Error in sample MUD profile.

2017-09-19 Thread M. Ranganathan
Hello, I believe there is an error in the sample MUD profile that has been supplied in section 8. I corrected the error. Attached is what I believe to be correct. Please verify and let me know if I have made an error. Thank you, Ranga -- M. Ranganathan mud-sample.json Description: applicat

[OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud: YANG validation

2017-09-13 Thread Benoit Claise
Dear draft-ietf-opsawg-mud authors, A new version of the draft-ietf-netmod-acl-model has been posted, and it now passes validation. It failed previously with:     /ietf-packet-fie...@2017-09-01.yang:118: warning: The 'must' expression will fail: the node 'upper-port' from module 'ietf-access-c

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-08: Restricting temporal behavior using MUD.

2017-09-12 Thread Einar Nilsen-Nygaard (einarnn)
On 12 Sep 2017, at 14:48, Thorsten Dahm mailto:thorstend...@google.com>> wrote: Hi Einar, thanks for the reply. Let me clarify my thoughts below. :-) On 11 September 2017 at 17:03, Einar Nilsen-Nygaard (einarnn) mailto:eina...@cisco.com>> wrote: But I do also agree that things like rate limi

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-08: Restricting temporal behavior using MUD.

2017-09-11 Thread Einar Nilsen-Nygaard (einarnn)
While I agree that this is beyond the scope of the initial MUD draft, I’m not sure I agree that this is beyond the scope of MUD in the longer term. If a manufacturer can define behavior in this way, why wouldn’t it possibly be a new policy type that can be an extension/augmentation to the MUD YA

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-08: Restricting temporal behavior using MUD.

2017-09-11 Thread Thorsten Dahm
Hi Ranga, I think this would go beyond the job of MUD and would be at the discretion of the network administrator to enforce rate limits probably at the same network devices that are also responsible for implementing the packet filters and such. cheers, Thorsten On 8 September 2017 at 19:54, M.

[OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-08: Restricting temporal behavior using MUD.

2017-09-08 Thread M. Ranganathan
Hello! MUD currently does not enforce restrictions on temporal behavior. For example, I cannot specify how many times per second a device is allowed to connect to a remote IP address and port. Would this be worth considering? Use case: DDOS attack mitigation (?) Ranga -- M. Ranganathan