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2003-03-06 Thread Niall Litchfield
E-LSubject: RE: Big SGA... ...  large burlap sack and a small bat -Original Message-From: Loughmiller, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:39 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Big SGA...

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2003-03-06 Thread Jonathan Lewis
Now you mention it, I have seen some other operating system use a reference to 'large' (4MB) pages. I have heard some comments, though, about one of the Solaris versions not being able to use shared page tables (ISM) when the SGA goes over a critical limit - but this could be highly version-depen

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2003-03-05 Thread Tim Gorman
Linux has two patches to deal with that. One is the "highpte" patch which allows page table entries in "high memory" (i.e. after 1Gb). The other is "bigpages" which allows larger pages (i.e. 4mb instead of 4kb), thus fewer page table entries. Both patches are for Red Hat AS 2.1. I imagine that

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2003-03-04 Thread Whittle Jerome Contr NCI
Title: RE: Big SGA...   ... applied to the parent who spoiled the child ... Jerry Whittle ASIFICS DBA NCI Information Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618-622-4145 -Original Message- From:   Kevin Lange [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...  large burlap sack and a small bat

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2003-03-04 Thread Jonathan Lewis
A late-breaking thought - but it's not my area of expertise, so others may laugh. If you have a very large SGA, don't you end up with a very large 'page table' at the O/S level to map virtual memory to real memory. And if you do, doesn't this affect the speed and cost of a context switch. If so,

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2003-03-04 Thread Kevin Lange
...  large burlap sack and a small bat -Original Message-From: Loughmiller, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:39 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Big SGA... duct tape -Original Message-From: Tim

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2003-03-04 Thread Loughmiller, Greg
duct tape -Original Message-From: Tim Gorman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:10 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Big SGA... Sybase, Schmybase, Oracle, Schmoracle -- the concepts are still the same.  Developers create

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2003-03-03 Thread Anjo Kolk
anything, only > > accomodated it by throwing resources at it. > > > > Pop quiz: Think of a parent with a spoiled child > > who is making a scene in public. How do you quiet > > the child? :-) > > - Original Message - > > From: Loughmiller, Greg

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2003-03-03 Thread Connor McDonald
> accomodated it by throwing resources at it. > > Pop quiz: Think of a parent with a spoiled child > who is making a scene in public. How do you quiet > the child? :-) > - Original Message - > From: Loughmiller, Greg > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACL

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2003-03-03 Thread Tim Gorman
h a spoiled child who is making a scene in public.  How do you quiet the child?  :-) - Original Message - From: Loughmiller, Greg To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:28 PM Subject: RE: Big SGA... one little piece of informat

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2003-03-03 Thread Loughmiller, Greg
Title: RE: Big SGA... BINGO!! The politics is definitely a key contributor to all projects here in this shop:-)  greg -Original Message- From: Stephen Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 3:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject

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2003-03-03 Thread Loughmiller, Greg
ssage-From: Tim Gorman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:02 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Big SGA... Please start using STATSPACK now to gather and keep statistics.  You are certainly going to need "before" and "after"

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2003-03-03 Thread Jonathan Lewis
I know of one system where it would have been beneficial to have an 8GB buffer_pool_keep (as you might guess, this was a specialised telecomms system); but I think the general rule should be to consider very large memory as a requirement that has to be proved, rather than an obvious easy option.

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2003-03-03 Thread Stephen Lee
One additional consideration on this topic is the politics of the situation. If your shop is one where development has undue influence on upper management decisions (i.e. the tail wagging the dog), the politics might be such that garbage is deployed and it's expected that the support people (i.e.

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2003-03-03 Thread Tim Gorman
CLE-L Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 10:59 AM Subject: Big SGA... hey folks.. Hoping for a little feedback and opinion please. Having a discussion with the development group ...   The development group is thinking that a VERY LARGE SGA would solve some of their I/

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2003-03-03 Thread Stephen Lee
We have SGA's as large as 22 Gb. I don't know that this solves any of the inherent application problems, but it doesn't appear to cause any problems. OS here is Tru64. -Original Message- One could suggest that they could "cache" some very large tables in the SGA; but there seems to be so

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2003-03-03 Thread Cary Millsap
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loughmiller, Greg Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 11:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Big SGA...   hey folks.. Hoping for a little feedback and opinion please. Having a discussion with the development group ...   The development

Big SGA.......

2003-03-03 Thread Loughmiller, Greg
hey folks.. Hoping for a little feedback and opinion please. Having a discussion with the development group ...   The development group is thinking that a VERY LARGE SGA would solve some of their I/O problems. For example, they believe that a SGA consisting of over 8GB of db block buffers