Well, they did not come straight out and say we invented the grid.
They did say we can help you to use and manage grid computers and our
software can use the grid.
They will have software to add/remove computers from a grid, clone
computers, propagate changes etc.
Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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I know, I know, it's a bit of a stretch, but I think the idea's the same --
subsets of work divided between multiple machines. It's just that distcc is
implemented at a much higher level than what's probably considered grid.
The benefit is that it's much easier to implement. The downside is that
S Does it mean that a network with 100 computers of 1 cpu each is almost
equivalent to 100 cpu giant computer ??
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Rich,
That really isn't 'grid', but I think
Title: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Oracle will probably think so with their per CPU pricing.
Jerry Whittle
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S Does
I don't know... It's definitely an interesting concept though, isn't it?
Check this out:
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1560024
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S Does it
Title: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Oracle
confirmed at the road show event I went to yesterday that "pricing will not
change". Let's see how many people are happy to buy 100's of EE CPU
licences :-)
And my
favourite bit? The new OEM is all singing, all dancing ...
Hello Tom
From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, with
options to add or remove servers as you go along.
It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers etc.
There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also separated
databases.
Yechiel
I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing
offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric.
Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here
comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift.
There, I've said it. I think this is the first time
I've ever used that term, and it may
Jared,
Well said. It I believe is a HYPE and NOT a paradigm shift. Heck, look at
from a marketing perspective. If we can't sell you a few high priced computers maybe
we can sell you a lot of cheap computers with high priced, grid enabled (Namely higher
priced), software. End
Dick, Jared
If you look at the big picture, 20 years ago the idea of a PC with the
throughput of a mainframe was laughable. Not so laughable today. Large
systems use many of the same components as PCs. Whether this means the grid
is more than hype remains to be seen. But I suspect Larry would
And if your nose is raw from having nothing better to do with your time,
(Remember: You can pick your friends; and you can pick your nose; but you
cannot pick your friend's nose.)
you can tune in to some of Sun's marketing on the subject.
(from a Sun e-mail)
Whatever your business, it
The way things are happening now, I have a feeling that we might soon
witness the total eclipse of the SUN and that the darkness will rule.
One browser to rule them all, one browser to find them
One browser to bring them all and in the darkness bind them,
In the land of Redmond where the shadows
Well, it is marketing hype from Oracle's perspective but the Linux
supercomputing stuff is a reality and grid is not too far from that
conceptually. I supose one of these days, say around, Oracle 15X, they
may actually get it all down.
The show and tell I went too talked about bundled clustering
Some of us here at work have been using grid computing to compile
programs...
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml
Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have same versions of
copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems).
Rich
Rich Jesse
Other companies are in the mix, also... Check out:
http://www.savantis.com/product/
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Well, it is marketing hype from Oracle's perspective but the Linux
supercomputing stuff is a reality
From a first glance, that seems like a pile of wasted money. Knowing Savantis you'd
be better off with RAC.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
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Other companies are in
Haven't you ever heard of things like modular programming,
object oriented approach, divide and conquer and alike?
What in the Wall's name are you doing when you need a distributed
compiler? Linux kernel compiles on my box in 10 minutes, modules
need another 10 and I'm good to go.
On 10/27/2003
Kernel schmernel, KDE takes something like 18 hours to compile (and I think
KDE sucks -- Enlightenment all the way!). Knock that down by two-thirds or
a half with a couple of more boxes with a 'net connection. Building an A/V
Gentoo box takes many days. Damn tight when you're done, but it takes
Rich,
That really isn't 'grid', but I think you know that.
GC essentially makes a network look like one great big
box, with the cross platform functionality included.
In the immortal words of Scott McNeally:
The network is the computer. :)
Don't know if he said if first. John Brunner was
First
feedback is that it is not rac but a step up..
brian
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anyone have opinions on the future of the
If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle
Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of
Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like*
doing this.
Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional
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Tom
I would suspect that you are correct. I suppose we won't know until the
10g manuals are released. I do understand that parallel server was pretty
much rewritten to create RAC. However, I would argue that what you see as an
irritation is part of Oracle's marketing success. By changing the
Dennis,
I guess this is the crux of my question. My impression was that it was
*not* just another implementation/release of OPS/RAC, that it was indeed
something brand new. I guess I need to wait and see what it actually does.
Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional
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the big question is how useful will it be in 10g. Will anyone want to use it? I think
I saw a post somewhere that says wait until oracle version 12 before anyone uses it.
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I have the impression that Oracle has a grid running from Texas somewhere,
that they used it to test 10g, and that they also are using w.r.t the
Collaboration Suite.
In their case, if they can allocate resources like people used to be able to
allocate disk from an NAS to servers that require it,
Tom
Your perception is correct. Think about grid in very simple terms as a
collection of database servers (clearly there's more to it than that, but
for the point I'm trying to make this makes it easier to understand), and
you'll quickly see that a RAC database can be part of that BUT so can
From what little I know about it, I would say that RAC is simply a piece of the
Grid enabling infrastructure. Grid computing is much larger than just Oracle.
There is no dearth of grid computing literature available on the www.
Simply google for it and you will be inundated.
Jared
Ah. now I understand. It involves Quantum Physics.
Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional
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For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled
by CPU
Had to chime in here.
Carly Fiorina put this in simple terms. Grid implementations for most
organizations is a 5-9 year plan and must be started and well thought out
BEFORE you do the work. Larry is assuming that you just change over and all
is well. Larry forgot to mention the capital
But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids,
don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off.
Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional
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Bingo!
That's how we will make Larry the richest man in the World...
- Kirti
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But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids,
don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off.
Tom Mercadante
Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is
that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the
enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you
would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately,
Think really, really, really fast network. Check out
http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-55/iss-2/p42.html
Henry
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But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all
Here's a recently curmudgeonly reply to a friend that
asked the same question.
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As for 10g itself: the 'g' stands for 'grid' as you probably know.
The 'grid' is really the infrastructure for 'utility computing',
the latest plot to make IT folks obsolete. Personally I see it
I thought that they might ask for billions to help neutralize
Microsoft's weapons of mass deception. Such is the reputation
of the place, I guess.
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I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note
address was about the future
What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it
thanks,
Murali.
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Blade servers are computers designed to hunt vampires.
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What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it
thanks,
1 or 2 CPU's on a card with a hard drive and an ethernet port or two
connected to a very high speed backplane. They hot-plug into a card
cage, or chassis if you prefer. They put a lot of cpu's into a
relatively small space.
Allan
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im not 100% certain. I believe has to do with using 'of the shelf parts' to slap
together your own servers instead of paying for expensive ones. You set them up as a
'grid' like structure, so if one CPU fails you can failover to others.
I think thats what it is...
From:
Ain't necessarily so. We already have some customers using grid technology
with 9iR2 and 9iAS, along with the toolkit that's available on OTN (whose
name escapes me at the moment). These are very high end business clients
(not government or academia) that the Advanced Technology Solutions group
I think it's more than that. I've got a meeting with the Oracle folks
tomorrow for an overview of other stuff, but he did mention that grid
computing is not like Oracle Failover.
It's more like you have a group of servers at your disposal. Oracle has
*not* been installed on these machines.
We had Sun's N1 architect here a few months ago to brief us on N1. ( grid)
In a nutshell, all of your servers go in a pool, the administrative software
doles out the resources as needed, simple as that.
Of course, it is not that simple. Very interesting stuff, though I think the current
buzz
Current issue of ComputerWorld has an article on Grid, but I enjoyed the fantastic
cartoon :)
- Kirti
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Here's a recently curmudgeonly reply to a friend that
asked the same question.
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As for 10g itself: the 'g' stands for
The grid is presently at version 1.0, and like any 1.0 release is fraught with
problems. One doesn't just install the grid, but installs several packages which have
interdependencies to the extent that upgrading one will almost certainly cause
failures somewhere else.
I digress...
A
For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled
by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly
recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching
particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the
Low end servers, usually running Linux, 1 or 2 CPU's, 2 Gb of memory, that
can easily be racked (or even RAC'ed).
Pete
Controlling developers is like herding cats.
Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!
Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA
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I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are
attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable?
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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For database
So, what exactly is the difference between a grid and RAC/OPS?
The associations that I get when somebody mentions the word grid
are I-95 in Norwalk/Stamford area around 8:30 AM or LIE at the
approximately the same time. That can be used to demonstrate gridlock
computing.
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