Re: Linux taking over at Oracle
I am afraid we have seen too many 'flavour-of-the-month' fads already. I fear that Larry is about as clueless as I am about the immediate future of IT and Oracle's 'strategy' has more or less been a succession of more or less well inspired tactical moves. I have known Oracle when distribution of everything was all the rage. Concerning Jonathan's reference to the email servers, I remember having read some years ago in a plane in a non-IT paper (FT or Wall Street Journal, can't remember) a longish interview of Larry where he was bragging about his being an engineer, his conviction that it was doable and how he had imposed his will (big effort, when you know how slavish some may be at Oracle :-)), especially against Oracle Singapore, and, if I remember well, Oracle Canada. A few months later, electricians working in Redwood Shores to make electricity supplies redundant or something similar goofed (not the exclusivity of DBAs) and as a result THE WHOLE OF ORACLE, WORLDWIDE, HAD NO E-MAIL FOR TWO DAYS. Note that when it's deep night in California some people at Oracle do not seem to understand that in Asia everybody is working, and in Europe too. It must have been an enormous roar of laughter in Singapore and in Canada. The problem with centralised systems is that there is another company, which I do not understand why it is feared so much by Oracle if their systems really are as slow as the Oracle ads pretend, which has been doing it already for about 40 years, and it doing it rather well. Concerning the hardware, same story. Historically Oracle was first developed on PDPs, then moved to VAXes. In the mid 1980s development was supposed to be done on Sun boxes, however, strangely, the VMS port still was the first to be available. There has been a time when we heard a lot about N-Cube (remember?), of which Larry was a big shareholder, then about Sequent (ditto). Then it looked like honeymoon with Sun, till the climate deteriorated amongst accusations of unfairness (for what I have heard, Oracle was a bigger customer of Sun than the reverse). Oracle fell for HP. Given the current row about the Compaq takeover, I am not surprised that it has cooled. Larry must wait for Ms Fiorina's head to roll in the sand. It's terrible how much what is usually presented as 'vision', 'strategy' etc. is often hardly more than personal inimities (Bill Gates being to many CEOs what the Taleban were to Afghan warlords) and opportunistic alliances. My 0.02 euros. S Faroult Deshpande, Kirti wrote: Ah!! But 5 years down the road, Larry's Oracle database may not need any administration at all. You may just buy the pre-fabricated OraLintel gadget from him that runs your apps... :-)) Seriously, he me getting in position to fight the IBM Linux Mainframe running DB2(IBM announced the Linux MF not too long ago) and claim/prove(?) Oracle+Linux+Intel runs much faster than IBM's Linux mainframe.. - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Stephane Faroult INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Linux taking over at Oracle
We had a small discussion yesterday about Oracle moving to Linux (possibly), so my SA asks ... Is there any OS vendor left in the market that Uncle L hasn't pissed off yet? Sun was dumped in favor of HP, they already pissed off IBM because of DB/2, not dumping HP they move to Linux. So I told him that wait, they haven't done anything yet to MacOS, (after revival) CP/M (and a bunch of other Operating Systems). Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art! *2 This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify corporate MIS at (860) 766-2000 and delete this e-mail message from your computer, Thank you. *2
Re: Linux taking over at Oracle
it's not just Oracle, this tends to be a trend in all businesses. Just as there are fads in clothing (shorter hemlines, longer hemlines etc), there seem to be fads in the right way to manage your computer systems. I've seen the cycle turn a number of times centralize all software and systems, one data center to serve them all, standards cross-company then suddenly it's decentralize, one big center makes no sense, we don't get the things we need fast enough from them --- Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re[2]: Linux taking over at Oracle
Jonathan, I remember reading an article in Oracle Magazine about a year to year a half ago, where Uncle Larry was prostelatizing us to create one large database vs. having lots of small ones. So the screw turns once more!! Also I remember Oracle being torqued at RedHat some time ago find that 9i is NOT certified on RedHat. Guess that will change! Also, for those who remember, Uncle Larry did predict that the database would replace the operating system some years ago. Funny how these ideas change, don't materialize, or have other problems that prevent them becoming reality. But then I guess that's what you get trying to read a foggy crystal ball!! :-) My problem with all of this is that he's pointing us towards cheaper computers and operating systems, but will the cost of Oracle itself follow?? I doubt it. Which puts a pile of us in a rather sticky position. How do you justify $40K for Oracle on a $10K computer with a $0 OS? My brain hurts. Dick Goulet BTW: Uncle Larry torqued off Apple (MacOS) some years ago when he dropped support for it all together. Reply Separator Author: Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/31/2002 6:35 PM Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Linux taking over at Oracle
In a previous life in the 1980s, an IBM salesman has told me a funny story about an IBM marketing guy who was a specialist of strategy speeches, future of IT, etc. The salesman took a customer to a presentation once, and was very impressed by the speech in which the marketing man was demonstrating, extremely logically, that the future of IT was centralized big servers. As he had been so impressed, he took another customer to the same presentation a few months later, and, as he had already heard it, listened a bit less attentively. He began to startle around the conclusion, which no less logically than the first time was proving beyond any doubt that the future of IT was made of distributed processing power (IBM had announced the PC in the meantime). The salesman told me he had never understood where the logic had derailed. I have heard the marketing guy myself, he was VERY good. Rachel Carmichael wrote: it's not just Oracle, this tends to be a trend in all businesses. Just as there are fads in clothing (shorter hemlines, longer hemlines etc), there seem to be fads in the right way to manage your computer systems. I've seen the cycle turn a number of times centralize all software and systems, one data center to serve them all, standards cross-company then suddenly it's decentralize, one big center makes no sense, we don't get the things we need fast enough from them -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Stephane Faroult INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Linux taking over at Oracle
The irony is that Microsoft plans to put a built-in rdbms in the OS that will come out two versions after .NET Server. The rdbms will be in the OS, not the other way around. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re[2]: Linux taking over at Oracle Jonathan, I remember reading an article in Oracle Magazine about a year to year a half ago, where Uncle Larry was prostelatizing us to create one large database vs. having lots of small ones. So the screw turns once more!! Also I remember Oracle being torqued at RedHat some time ago find that 9i is NOT certified on RedHat. Guess that will change! Also, for those who remember, Uncle Larry did predict that the database would replace the operating system some years ago. Funny how these ideas change, don't materialize, or have other problems that prevent them becoming reality. But then I guess that's what you get trying to read a foggy crystal ball!! :-) My problem with all of this is that he's pointing us towards cheaper computers and operating systems, but will the cost of Oracle itself follow?? I doubt it. Which puts a pile of us in a rather sticky position. How do you justify $40K for Oracle on a $10K computer with a $0 OS? My brain hurts. Dick Goulet BTW: Uncle Larry torqued off Apple (MacOS) some years ago when he dropped support for it all together. Reply Separator Author: Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/31/2002 6:35 PM Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Linux taking over at Oracle
Uurrgghh !!! prostelatizing - could you not have said preaching. Alphabetti Spaghetti for lunch ??? :-) -Original Message- Sent: 01 February 2002 13:45 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jonathan, I remember reading an article in Oracle Magazine about a year to year a half ago, where Uncle Larry was prostelatizing us to create one large database vs. having lots of small ones. So the screw turns once more!! Also I remember Oracle being torqued at RedHat some time ago find that 9i is NOT certified on RedHat. Guess that will change! Also, for those who remember, Uncle Larry did predict that the database would replace the operating system some years ago. Funny how these ideas change, don't materialize, or have other problems that prevent them becoming reality. But then I guess that's what you get trying to read a foggy crystal ball!! :-) My problem with all of this is that he's pointing us towards cheaper computers and operating systems, but will the cost of Oracle itself follow?? I doubt it. Which puts a pile of us in a rather sticky position. How do you justify $40K for Oracle on a $10K computer with a $0 OS? My brain hurts. Dick Goulet BTW: Uncle Larry torqued off Apple (MacOS) some years ago when he dropped support for it all together. Reply Separator Author: Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/31/2002 6:35 PM Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Linux taking over at Oracle
The consolidate, don't consolidate goes to those areas where companies may have broke up a large site into smaller hubs. These helped the processing because a hub would normally be closer than central and dedicated lines were VERY expensive and they still did a ton of printing. So, we break down a $1 million site with $1 million of support staff and declare victory when we build 10 $100,000 sites with 10 $100,000 support staff. The arguments come that this will go down in time... It doesn't.. DBA's get very hard to find, and it's hard to keep one at a $100,000 site. You end up just training them. In the meantime you find that the internet is getting faster and faster, VPNs start to come of age, dedicated frame relay lines get to be much more reasonable. This gave the companies several approaches.. They could break up even more or could consolidate and still handle the traffic. So the $1 million site comes back, they now only need 1 senior DBA willing to work 80 hours a week. They don't have 10 rents, 10 staffs, 10 still kind of expensive computers, they only need one. There is enough work to keep those hard to find DBAs interested and pay them as little/much as they will accept and still stay. Stability comes back... to an extent. Now, coming, may well be small Linux servers with 60-180 gig of storage and perhaps $4-10k per box. They will be remote, so corporate will still handle the data. If they go down, they simply rebuild one, and could be up and running in 24-48 hours, and it's only one remote site... They may well need a good, almost seamless remote administration, and NO SUPPORT staff on site. KISS... If Oracle comes down to perhaps $1-5k for the database based perhaps on Linux and cpu, they could get a Whole bunch of Oracle out there. Send updates to corporate, distribute if necessary in near real time, and use the remotes to keep network traffic to near nil. All this depending on size and application and things could change accordingly. It just keeps getting more and more interesting. ThinkSpark - Michael Alan Kline, Sr. Technical Consultant - Richmond, Virginia Office 13308 Thornridge Court; Midlothian, VA 23112, USA. W:804-744-1545 Cell: 804-314-6262 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alpha pager: www.metrocall.com/Page.html ICQ: 1009605, 975313PhoneFree: 1057439 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 8:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re[2]: Linux taking over at Oracle Jonathan, I remember reading an article in Oracle Magazine about a year to year a half ago, where Uncle Larry was prostelatizing us to create one large database vs. having lots of small ones. So the screw turns once more!! Also I remember Oracle being torqued at RedHat some time ago find that 9i is NOT certified on RedHat. Guess that will change! Also, for those who remember, Uncle Larry did predict that the database would replace the operating system some years ago. Funny how these ideas change, don't materialize, or have other problems that prevent them becoming reality. But then I guess that's what you get trying to read a foggy crystal ball!! :-) My problem with all of this is that he's pointing us towards cheaper computers and operating systems, but will the cost of Oracle itself follow?? I doubt it. Which puts a pile of us in a rather sticky position. How do you justify $40K for Oracle on a $10K computer with a $0 OS? My brain hurts. Dick Goulet BTW: Uncle Larry torqued off Apple (MacOS) some years ago when he dropped support for it all together. Reply Separator Author: Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/31/2002 6:35 PM Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author
RE: Re[2]: Linux taking over at Oracle
I think Larry lives in his own dream world. We're currently using Oracle on inexpensive Linux servers, but that probably won't last for long. Our Oracle licenses cost over $65,000 per server. The servers cost about $30,000 each, and the OS is essentially free. Makes no sense at all. If Oracle continues to insist on using its ridiculous pricing schemes we'll probably become an all-MySQL shop, at least after InnoDB matures a bit. I've worked with Oracle for fifteen years now, and Larry's even more flaky now than he was back then. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jonathan, I remember reading an article in Oracle Magazine about a year to year a half ago, where Uncle Larry was prostelatizing us to create one large database vs. having lots of small ones. So the screw turns once more!! Also I remember Oracle being torqued at RedHat some time ago find that 9i is NOT certified on RedHat. Guess that will change! Also, for those who remember, Uncle Larry did predict that the database would replace the operating system some years ago. Funny how these ideas change, don't materialize, or have other problems that prevent them becoming reality. But then I guess that's what you get trying to read a foggy crystal ball!! :-) My problem with all of this is that he's pointing us towards cheaper computers and operating systems, but will the cost of Oracle itself follow?? I doubt it. Which puts a pile of us in a rather sticky position. How do you justify $40K for Oracle on a $10K computer with a $0 OS? My brain hurts. Dick Goulet BTW: Uncle Larry torqued off Apple (MacOS) some years ago when he dropped support for it all together. Reply Separator Author: Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/31/2002 6:35 PM Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Weaver, Walt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Linux taking over at Oracle
Hi All, I don't think anything here indicates that we are going back to hundreds of smaller databases. I does indicate that he is pushing the Real Application Clusters on thes smaller boxes so that they can continue to support large databases. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan, I remember reading an article in Oracle Magazine about a year to year a half ago, where Uncle Larry was prostelatizing us to create one large database vs. having lots of small ones. So the screw turns once more!! Also I remember Oracle being torqued at RedHat some time ago find that 9i is NOT certified on RedHat. Guess that will change! Also, for those who remember, Uncle Larry did predict that the database would replace the operating system some years ago. Funny how these ideas change, don't materialize, or have other problems that prevent them becoming reality. But then I guess that's what you get trying to read a foggy crystal ball!! :-) My problem with all of this is that he's pointing us towards cheaper computers and operating systems, but will the cost of Oracle itself follow?? I doubt it. Which puts a pile of us in a rather sticky position. How do you justify $40K for Oracle on a $10K computer with a $0 OS? My brain hurts. Dick Goulet BTW: Uncle Larry torqued off Apple (MacOS) some years ago when he dropped support for it all together. Reply Separator Author: Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/31/2002 6:35 PM Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: orantdba INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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RE: Linux taking over at Oracle
On a contrarian note with all the Larry hype aside... Linux is much more that just a fad. In a relatively short time it has already put a very significant dent in MS server software sales and I'm sure it's going to affect Sun/HP regardless of Oracle's IT infrastructure strategies. Linux/Intel is a proven production quality platform and having worked with Linux/Oracle servers for over a year now I conclude that the Linux revolution is not going away like just another fad. In fact, it's just getting started. BTW, I'm getting ready to buy a ReplayTV unit and guess what it runs on? ... LINUX!!! If you want to get a good idea of what folks are doing with Oracle on Linux just join the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list or go to http://www.suse.com/en/support/oracle/index.html ... etc. I think the point behind all this is that, large, complex servers can be a support challenge with capacity planning for always on, 24x7, unlimited future scalability needs. Rather than racking our brains we should be RAC'ing our servers. Steve Orr, Montana Revolutionary -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L it's not just Oracle, this tends to be a trend in all businesses. Just as there are fads in clothing (shorter hemlines, longer hemlines etc), there seem to be fads in the right way to manage your computer systems. I've seen the cycle turn a number of times centralize all software and systems, one data center to serve them all, standards cross-company then suddenly it's decentralize, one big center makes no sense, we don't get the things we need fast enough from them --- Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Linux taking over at Oracle
Steve, As one of the GREAT MicroSlop bashers, I pray you are more than correct. May the Penguin rule!! BTW: I've experimented with Oracle 8 8i on Linux, RedHat's variant, I'll agree it is stable, easy to use, and very supportable. The problem is the cost of Oracle on a Linux box. One reason I've been playing around with PostGres. I can't say I like it as much, but you really can't beat the price tag. DickG. Reply Separator Author: Orr; Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/1/2002 7:55 AM On a contrarian note with all the Larry hype aside... Linux is much more that just a fad. In a relatively short time it has already put a very significant dent in MS server software sales and I'm sure it's going to affect Sun/HP regardless of Oracle's IT infrastructure strategies. Linux/Intel is a proven production quality platform and having worked with Linux/Oracle servers for over a year now I conclude that the Linux revolution is not going away like just another fad. In fact, it's just getting started. BTW, I'm getting ready to buy a ReplayTV unit and guess what it runs on? ... LINUX!!! If you want to get a good idea of what folks are doing with Oracle on Linux just join the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list or go to http://www.suse.com/en/support/oracle/index.html ... etc. I think the point behind all this is that, large, complex servers can be a support challenge with capacity planning for always on, 24x7, unlimited future scalability needs. Rather than racking our brains we should be RAC'ing our servers. Steve Orr, Montana Revolutionary -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L it's not just Oracle, this tends to be a trend in all businesses. Just as there are fads in clothing (shorter hemlines, longer hemlines etc), there seem to be fads in the right way to manage your computer systems. I've seen the cycle turn a number of times centralize all software and systems, one data center to serve them all, standards cross-company then suddenly it's decentralize, one big center makes no sense, we don't get the things we need fast enough from them --- Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Linux taking over at Oracle
I think that the LVM announcement in the link below is the lynchpin for getting Linux Enterprise-wide (man, I hate buzzwords!): http://www.veritas.com/news/press/PressReleaseDetail.jhtml?NewsId=9483 Now if I could only get Oracle on Linux for Alpha, I'd be set! Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:56 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On a contrarian note with all the Larry hype aside... Linux is much more that just a fad. In a relatively short time it has already put a very significant dent in MS server software sales and I'm sure it's going to affect Sun/HP regardless of Oracle's IT infrastructure strategies. Linux/Intel is a proven production quality platform and having worked with Linux/Oracle servers for over a year now I conclude that the Linux revolution is not going away like just another fad. In fact, it's just getting started. BTW, I'm getting ready to buy a ReplayTV unit and guess what it runs on? ... LINUX!!! If you want to get a good idea of what folks are doing with Oracle on Linux just join the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list or go to http://www.suse.com/en/support/oracle/index.html ... etc. I think the point behind all this is that, large, complex servers can be a support challenge with capacity planning for always on, 24x7, unlimited future scalability needs. Rather than racking our brains we should be RAC'ing our servers. Steve Orr, Montana Revolutionary -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Linux taking over at Oracle
I've seen the cycle turn a number of times centralize all software and systems, one data center to serve them all, standards cross-company then suddenly it's decentralize, one big center makes no sense, we don't get the things we need fast enough from them I always think that thinking in IT is like a huge pendulum in one of those granfather clocks - swing one way this year, swing the other way the next, and back again we go! Whatever direction it swings, there has to be some springs and gears and wheels that makes it all work. DBAs are a small but important part of that clock - we only have to watch out for that piezo-electric crytal and LED/LCDs that *may* make us moving parts redundant. Just another lesson in Life from yours truly! John Kanagaraj Oracle Applications DBA DBSoft Inc (W): 408-970-7002 Fear is the darkroom where Evil develops your negatives. Wanna break free of fear? Click on 'http://www.needhim.org' ** The opinions and statements above are entirely my own and not those of my employer or clients ** -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Linux taking over at Oracle
I thought it also put a dent in HP/UX Solaris sales...easier to migrate UNIX to Linux. I believe Amazon is a good example. For the record, I have no love for MS. Congrats on your ReplayTV, it will blow your mind once you fully grasp it's usefulness. I love my TiVo, and I can't live without it. Looking forward to the Superbowl, and doing my own replays, slow motion plays back and forth, etc. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:56 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On a contrarian note with all the Larry hype aside... Linux is much more that just a fad. In a relatively short time it has already put a very significant dent in MS server software sales and I'm sure it's going to affect Sun/HP regardless of Oracle's IT infrastructure strategies. Linux/Intel is a proven production quality platform and having worked with Linux/Oracle servers for over a year now I conclude that the Linux revolution is not going away like just another fad. In fact, it's just getting started. BTW, I'm getting ready to buy a ReplayTV unit and guess what it runs on? ... LINUX!!! If you want to get a good idea of what folks are doing with Oracle on Linux just join the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list or go to http://www.suse.com/en/support/oracle/index.html ... etc. I think the point behind all this is that, large, complex servers can be a support challenge with capacity planning for always on, 24x7, unlimited future scalability needs. Rather than racking our brains we should be RAC'ing our servers. Steve Orr, Montana Revolutionary -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L it's not just Oracle, this tends to be a trend in all businesses. Just as there are fads in clothing (shorter hemlines, longer hemlines etc), there seem to be fads in the right way to manage your computer systems. I've seen the cycle turn a number of times centralize all software and systems, one data center to serve them all, standards cross-company then suddenly it's decentralize, one big center makes no sense, we don't get the things we need fast enough from them --- Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Grabowy, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Linux taking over at Oracle
become an all-MySQL shop As we are here now. Aaagh! We are planning to buy PeopleSoft and my boss has practically decided on his own that we should buy SQL Server. And if not for the fact that our other applications here couldn't run on SQL Server Oracle would have been history here. I hate that psycho up there they call CEO in Oracle. George -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 6:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think Larry lives in his own dream world. We're currently using Oracle on inexpensive Linux servers, but that probably won't last for long. Our Oracle licenses cost over $65,000 per server. The servers cost about $30,000 each, and the OS is essentially free. Makes no sense at all. If Oracle continues to insist on using its ridiculous pricing schemes we'll probably become an all-MySQL shop, at least after InnoDB matures a bit. I've worked with Oracle for fifteen years now, and Larry's even more flaky now than he was back then. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jonathan, I remember reading an article in Oracle Magazine about a year to year a half ago, where Uncle Larry was prostelatizing us to create one large database vs. having lots of small ones. So the screw turns once more!! Also I remember Oracle being torqued at RedHat some time ago find that 9i is NOT certified on RedHat. Guess that will change! Also, for those who remember, Uncle Larry did predict that the database would replace the operating system some years ago. Funny how these ideas change, don't materialize, or have other problems that prevent them becoming reality. But then I guess that's what you get trying to read a foggy crystal ball!! :-) My problem with all of this is that he's pointing us towards cheaper computers and operating systems, but will the cost of Oracle itself follow?? I doubt it. Which puts a pile of us in a rather sticky position. How do you justify $40K for Oracle on a $10K computer with a $0 OS? My brain hurts. Dick Goulet BTW: Uncle Larry torqued off Apple (MacOS) some years ago when he dropped support for it all together. Reply Separator Author: Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/31/2002 6:35 PM Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Weaver, Walt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
RE: RE: Linux taking over at Oracle
There are rumors that Red Hat is buying Microsoft? -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 11:16 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Steve, As one of the GREAT MicroSlop bashers, I pray you are more than correct. May the Penguin rule!! BTW: I've experimented with Oracle 8 8i on Linux, RedHat's variant, I'll agree it is stable, easy to use, and very supportable. The problem is the cost of Oracle on a Linux box. One reason I've been playing around with PostGres. I can't say I like it as much, but you really can't beat the price tag. DickG. Reply Separator Author: Orr; Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/1/2002 7:55 AM On a contrarian note with all the Larry hype aside... Linux is much more that just a fad. In a relatively short time it has already put a very significant dent in MS server software sales and I'm sure it's going to affect Sun/HP regardless of Oracle's IT infrastructure strategies. Linux/Intel is a proven production quality platform and having worked with Linux/Oracle servers for over a year now I conclude that the Linux revolution is not going away like just another fad. In fact, it's just getting started. BTW, I'm getting ready to buy a ReplayTV unit and guess what it runs on? ... LINUX!!! If you want to get a good idea of what folks are doing with Oracle on Linux just join the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list or go to http://www.suse.com/en/support/oracle/index.html ... etc. I think the point behind all this is that, large, complex servers can be a support challenge with capacity planning for always on, 24x7, unlimited future scalability needs. Rather than racking our brains we should be RAC'ing our servers. Steve Orr, Montana Revolutionary -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L it's not just Oracle, this tends to be a trend in all businesses. Just as there are fads in clothing (shorter hemlines, longer hemlines etc), there seem to be fads in the right way to manage your computer systems. I've seen the cycle turn a number of times centralize all software and systems, one data center to serve them all, standards cross-company then suddenly it's decentralize, one big center makes no sense, we don't get the things we need fast enough from them --- Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access
RE: Linux taking over at Oracle
For a different perspective step into Larry's shoes for a minute, (O... that's scary!)... Hmmm... the less they have to spend on servers the more money left over to spend on me, er, my products... Oracle will get away with their pricing as long as the competition isn't so stiff that they have to lower their prices to protect their base... but a day of reckoning is coming. Not selling my Oracle stock... yet. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:15 AM To: Orr, Steve; Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Steve, As one of the GREAT MicroSlop bashers, I pray you are more than correct. May the Penguin rule!! BTW: I've experimented with Oracle 8 8i on Linux, RedHat's variant, I'll agree it is stable, easy to use, and very supportable. The problem is the cost of Oracle on a Linux box. One reason I've been playing around with PostGres. I can't say I like it as much, but you really can't beat the price tag. DickG. Reply Separator Author: Orr; Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/1/2002 7:55 AM On a contrarian note with all the Larry hype aside... Linux is much more that just a fad. In a relatively short time it has already put a very significant dent in MS server software sales and I'm sure it's going to affect Sun/HP regardless of Oracle's IT infrastructure strategies. Linux/Intel is a proven production quality platform and having worked with Linux/Oracle servers for over a year now I conclude that the Linux revolution is not going away like just another fad. In fact, it's just getting started. BTW, I'm getting ready to buy a ReplayTV unit and guess what it runs on? ... LINUX!!! If you want to get a good idea of what folks are doing with Oracle on Linux just join the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list or go to http://www.suse.com/en/support/oracle/index.html ... etc. I think the point behind all this is that, large, complex servers can be a support challenge with capacity planning for always on, 24x7, unlimited future scalability needs. Rather than racking our brains we should be RAC'ing our servers. Steve Orr, Montana Revolutionary -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L it's not just Oracle, this tends to be a trend in all businesses. Just as there are fads in clothing (shorter hemlines, longer hemlines etc), there seem to be fads in the right way to manage your computer systems. I've seen the cycle turn a number of times centralize all software and systems, one data center to serve them all, standards cross-company then suddenly it's decentralize, one big center makes no sense, we don't get the things we need fast enough from them --- Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing:
RE: RE: Linux taking over at Oracle
It's not a rumor, it's true...MS is letting themselves become aquired by Red Hat, they figure that all the lawsuits will have to be dropped, and there going to put the Windows GUI onto RH Linux. A killer combo. A brillant move by Bill Gates. https://www.usatoday.com/current/0201/am/rhmspur.html -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There are rumors that Red Hat is buying Microsoft? -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 11:16 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Steve, As one of the GREAT MicroSlop bashers, I pray you are more than correct. May the Penguin rule!! BTW: I've experimented with Oracle 8 8i on Linux, RedHat's variant, I'll agree it is stable, easy to use, and very supportable. The problem is the cost of Oracle on a Linux box. One reason I've been playing around with PostGres. I can't say I like it as much, but you really can't beat the price tag. DickG. Reply Separator Author: Orr; Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/1/2002 7:55 AM On a contrarian note with all the Larry hype aside... Linux is much more that just a fad. In a relatively short time it has already put a very significant dent in MS server software sales and I'm sure it's going to affect Sun/HP regardless of Oracle's IT infrastructure strategies. Linux/Intel is a proven production quality platform and having worked with Linux/Oracle servers for over a year now I conclude that the Linux revolution is not going away like just another fad. In fact, it's just getting started. BTW, I'm getting ready to buy a ReplayTV unit and guess what it runs on? ... LINUX!!! If you want to get a good idea of what folks are doing with Oracle on Linux just join the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list or go to http://www.suse.com/en/support/oracle/index.html ... etc. I think the point behind all this is that, large, complex servers can be a support challenge with capacity planning for always on, 24x7, unlimited future scalability needs. Rather than racking our brains we should be RAC'ing our servers. Steve Orr, Montana Revolutionary -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L it's not just Oracle, this tends to be a trend in all businesses. Just as there are fads in clothing (shorter hemlines, longer hemlines etc), there seem to be fads in the right way to manage your computer systems. I've seen the cycle turn a number of times centralize all software and systems, one data center to serve them all, standards cross-company then suddenly it's decentralize, one big center makes no sense, we don't get the things we need fast enough from them --- Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY,
RE: Linux taking over at Oracle
Not selling my Oracle stock... yet. now is the time to buy! it's cheap! Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For a different perspective step into Larry's shoes for a minute, (O... that's scary!)... Hmmm... the less they have to spend on servers the more money left over to spend on me, er, my products... Oracle will get away with their pricing as long as the competition isn't so stiff that they have to lower their prices to protect their base... but a day of reckoning is coming. Not selling my Oracle stock... yet. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:15 AM To: Orr, Steve; Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Steve, As one of the GREAT MicroSlop bashers, I pray you are more than correct. May the Penguin rule!! BTW: I've experimented with Oracle 8 8i on Linux, RedHat's variant, I'll agree it is stable, easy to use, and very supportable. The problem is the cost of Oracle on a Linux box. One reason I've been playing around with PostGres. I can't say I like it as much, but you really can't beat the price tag. DickG. Reply Separator Author: Orr; Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/1/2002 7:55 AM On a contrarian note with all the Larry hype aside... Linux is much more that just a fad. In a relatively short time it has already put a very significant dent in MS server software sales and I'm sure it's going to affect Sun/HP regardless of Oracle's IT infrastructure strategies. Linux/Intel is a proven production quality platform and having worked with Linux/Oracle servers for over a year now I conclude that the Linux revolution is not going away like just another fad. In fact, it's just getting started. BTW, I'm getting ready to buy a ReplayTV unit and guess what it runs on? ... LINUX!!! If you want to get a good idea of what folks are doing with Oracle on Linux just join the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list or go to http://www.suse.com/en/support/oracle/index.html ... etc. I think the point behind all this is that, large, complex servers can be a support challenge with capacity planning for always on, 24x7, unlimited future scalability needs. Rather than racking our brains we should be RAC'ing our servers. Steve Orr, Montana Revolutionary -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L it's not just Oracle, this tends to be a trend in all businesses. Just as there are fads in clothing (shorter hemlines, longer hemlines etc), there seem to be fads in the right way to manage your computer systems. I've seen the cycle turn a number of times centralize all software and systems, one data center to serve them all, standards cross-company then suddenly it's decentralize, one big center makes no sense, we don't get the things we need fast enough from them --- Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
RE: Linux taking over at Oracle
now is the time to buy! it's cheap! True. But it's not going to get any higher either (my own prediction) :) George -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:52 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Not selling my Oracle stock... yet. now is the time to buy! it's cheap! Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For a different perspective step into Larry's shoes for a minute, (O... that's scary!)... Hmmm... the less they have to spend on servers the more money left over to spend on me, er, my products... Oracle will get away with their pricing as long as the competition isn't so stiff that they have to lower their prices to protect their base... but a day of reckoning is coming. Not selling my Oracle stock... yet. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:15 AM To: Orr, Steve; Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Steve, As one of the GREAT MicroSlop bashers, I pray you are more than correct. May the Penguin rule!! BTW: I've experimented with Oracle 8 8i on Linux, RedHat's variant, I'll agree it is stable, easy to use, and very supportable. The problem is the cost of Oracle on a Linux box. One reason I've been playing around with PostGres. I can't say I like it as much, but you really can't beat the price tag. DickG. Reply Separator Author: Orr; Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/1/2002 7:55 AM On a contrarian note with all the Larry hype aside... Linux is much more that just a fad. In a relatively short time it has already put a very significant dent in MS server software sales and I'm sure it's going to affect Sun/HP regardless of Oracle's IT infrastructure strategies. Linux/Intel is a proven production quality platform and having worked with Linux/Oracle servers for over a year now I conclude that the Linux revolution is not going away like just another fad. In fact, it's just getting started. BTW, I'm getting ready to buy a ReplayTV unit and guess what it runs on? ... LINUX!!! If you want to get a good idea of what folks are doing with Oracle on Linux just join the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list or go to http://www.suse.com/en/support/oracle/index.html ... etc. I think the point behind all this is that, large, complex servers can be a support challenge with capacity planning for always on, 24x7, unlimited future scalability needs. Rather than racking our brains we should be RAC'ing our servers. Steve Orr, Montana Revolutionary -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L it's not just Oracle, this tends to be a trend in all businesses. Just as there are fads in clothing (shorter hemlines, longer hemlines etc), there seem to be fads in the right way to manage your computer systems. I've seen the cycle turn a number of times centralize all software and systems, one data center to serve them all, standards cross-company then suddenly it's decentralize, one big center makes no sense, we don't get the things we need fast enough from them --- Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official
RE: RE: Linux taking over at Oracle
Erm, what drugs are you taking and do you have any left over for me? usatoday.com doesn't use SSL and that link without SSL isn't on their site... Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L It's not a rumor, it's true...MS is letting themselves become aquired by Red Hat, they figure that all the lawsuits will have to be dropped, and there going to put the Windows GUI onto RH Linux. A killer combo. A brillant move by Bill Gates. https://www.usatoday.com/current/0201/am/rhmspur.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: Linux taking over at Oracle
Title: RE: RE: Linux taking over at Oracle I think you can figure just from the text that this was a hoax. red hat acquiring microsoft? now that would take some serious capitalization. Jon Baker -Original Message- From: Jesse, Rich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 3:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: Linux taking over at Oracle Erm, what drugs are you taking and do you have any left over for me? usatoday.com doesn't use SSL and that link without SSL isn't on their site... Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L It's not a rumor, it's true...MS is letting themselves become aquired by Red Hat, they figure that all the lawsuits will have to be dropped, and there going to put the Windows GUI onto RH Linux. A killer combo. A brillant move by Bill Gates. https://www.usatoday.com/current/0201/am/rhmspur.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Linux taking over at Oracle
Title: Linux taking over at Oracle For anyone who missed it: - Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix servers that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel Corp. servers running Linux. http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Discussing a black rectangle silhouetted on a martian landscape That is the top of the calibration target, that is NOT in fact a monolith - NASA TV Commentator - 7/5/1997
Re: Linux taking over at Oracle
Interesting information especially about the HP boxes not being replaced. Could it be that the HP/Compaq merger go ahead is not the move that Larry desired? After all the RAC is an Oracle and Compaq wedding. Looks like the honeymoon is over and the new young kid won for a while. Maybe now it will be easier to get the oracle/linux software releases I have been asking for. ROR mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/31/02 02:36PM For anyone who missed it: - Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix servers that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel Corp. servers running Linux. http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: from CONNECT-MTA by galotterom Discussing a black rectangle silhouetted on a martian landscape That is the top of the calibration target, that is NOT in fact a monolith - NASA TV Commentator - 7/5/1997 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Linux taking over at Oracle
Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Linux taking over at Oracle
Ah!! But 5 years down the road, Larry's Oracle database may not need any administration at all. You may just buy the pre-fabricated OraLintel gadget from him that runs your apps... :-)) Seriously, he me getting in position to fight the IBM Linux Mainframe running DB2(IBM announced the Linux MF not too long ago) and claim/prove(?) Oracle+Linux+Intel runs much faster than IBM's Linux mainframe.. - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry derides client-server and distributed computing saying that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes because it's much easier to administer one big one. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote: AMG0 Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux AMG0 The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix AMG0 servers AMG0 that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel AMG0 Corp. AMG0 servers running Linux. AMG0 http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
