Re: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-30 Thread Yechiel Adar
DENNIS, I think that I did not explain my idea. I do not understand the complain of Thomas. I do not see any harm in a company choosing its dealers based on their commitment to the goals of my company. Microsoft has a right to prefer dealer who embrace the .net, or do you think that anybody

RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-30 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Yechiel - Sorry, I was reacting to your analogy of the paper company. I agree that dealers are an entirely different matter. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 5:33 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Re: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-30 Thread Jared Still
Microslop is not a private company, and has not been for quite some years now. Jared On Monday 30 September 2002 03:33, Yechiel Adar wrote: DENNIS, I think that I did not explain my idea. I do not understand the complain of Thomas. I do not see any harm in a company choosing its dealers

Re: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-30 Thread Jared . Still
] cc: Subject:Re: MIcrosoft Blackmail Microslop is not a private company, and has not been for quite some years now. Jared On Monday 30 September 2002 03:33, Yechiel Adar wrote: DENNIS, I think that I did not explain my idea. I do not understand the complain of Thomas. I

RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-26 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Title: OT: MIcrosoft Blackmail Thomas, Don't get mad - remember, it's not personal, it's just "the bidness". Remember, sales-dweebs can say anything they want. If your sales-dweeb-conversation person rolls-over for this MS sales-dweeb, then it's your companies fault. And remember, it's

Re: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-26 Thread Yechiel Adar
Title: OT: MIcrosoft Blackmail What exactly is your problem? Lets say that you are a factory that sells paper. You need to buy a computer system. One supplier also sell printers and the other advocate paperless office. All things being equal, which one will you give your business to??

RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-26 Thread Steven Lembark
Remember, sales-dweebs can say anything they want. If your sales-dweeb-conversation person rolls-over for this MS sales-dweeb, then it's your companies fault. And remember, it's a two-way street. The sales-dweeb can say anything he wants to you, but you can call also - including telling

RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-26 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
CTED]]Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:43 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: MIcrosoft Blackmail What exactly is your problem? Lets say that you are a factory that sells paper. You need to buy a computer system. One supplier also sell printers and the other a

RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-26 Thread Bishop Lewis
If you want them to shut up and play nice(r) then I'd strongly suggest having a few prominent G3's around on desktops and at least one server (say file + print running Samba) with an RH or SuSE sitcker on it next to the NT boxes on your rack. See if that helps them understand your point of

RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-26 Thread Inka Bezdziecka
gmore does not hurt, does it? inka -Original Message-From: Mercadante, Thomas F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:23 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail Exactly. In other words, thank the MS-sales-dweeb fo

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2002-09-26 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Yechiel - But all things are NEVER equal. So companies end up doing stupid things because of some larger motive. You end up buying crappy computers because your boss thinks it will impress the CEO with how you are loyally supporting someone that somehow supports your company. Ironic isn't it.

RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-26 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail Well, regardless of MS tactics, the last paragraph reads: "Therefore, I support investigating SQL server, Biz Talk, and dot Net, but I emphasize the word INVESTIGATING. " What is better than R

RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-26 Thread Toepke, Kevin M
ptember 26, 2002 11:54 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail you obviously have not wasted enough time with tasks like this. they really suck. you end up spinning your wheels for a week, all for nothing. your report ends up on somebody'

RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-26 Thread Inka Bezdziecka
After all, it is at least one of reasons why we all subscribe to this list - to know better. grandma inka -Original Message-From: Mercadante, Thomas F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 11:54 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: MIcrosoft Blackm

RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-26 Thread Orr, Steve
and browser. Can't anyone slay this beast? It's an evil world in which we live... -Original Message-From: Toepke, Kevin M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:54 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail I view

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2002-09-26 Thread ltiu
Nothing wrong with dominating as long as the rule the better product wins is followed (i.e. not through foul play like forcing Dell or HP to bundle MSOffice or else they can't sell MSWindows with their PC's). ltiu Orr, Steve wrote: Speaking of RD, what about the eWeek article about how M$

RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-26 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Yeah, I saw that one and thought how hard can that be?. Just raise license fees again. What are corporations going to do? Switch to StarOffice? Do that and all the users will insist that they much have pure MS. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original

RE: RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-26 Thread Scott . Shafer
Then there's OpenOffice. Very nice. http://www.openoffice.org - I use it regularly and have had no problems. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210.581.6217 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 4:28 PM To: Multiple

RE: MIcrosoft Blackmail

2002-09-26 Thread Thomas Day
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