Re: [ORG-discuss] IPBill / Kickstarting OnionDSL to generate media interest?
Interesting. What would it take to add in Tor nodes to help scale Tor as a byproduct? C Adrian Kennard wrote: > Just to add, and in support of an idea like this, all standard A > broadband connections can be set to L2TP to a remote endpoint so that it > is really simple for someone to set up a private Internet service like > this using our broadband service. The costs are the same as normal. > > Obviously that service needs to do the Tor exit nodes and so on to > provide the degree of privacy, but you don't need to set up a whole ISP > to do this, just a box that does Tor and L2TP somewhere in "the cloud". > > Are there any consumer broadband routers that handle being a tor client? > -- Christian de Larrinaga FBCS, CITP, - @ FirstHand - +44 7989 386778 c...@firsthand.net - -- Please support ORG's work - join and help fund our future: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/join To unsubscribe, send a blank email to org-discuss-le...@lists.openrightsgroup.org or use https://lists.openrightsgroup.org/listinfo/org-discuss
Re: [ORG-discuss] IPBill / Kickstarting OnionDSL to generate media interest?
Cool. We’ve discussed similar things in the past and I’d be happy to help. I would suggest to have the L2TP/PPPoE concentrator outwith the UK though even if it might not be strictly necessary due to Tor’s design. For those who are willing to sacrifice stronger anonymity properties for performance, simply landing the PPPoE session overseas and doing (stateless) encryption would be enough to make ICRs useless or irrelevant. Obviously that wouldn’t stand up against greater intrusive efforts but would mean that locally collecting detailed flow statistics as a matter of course wouldn’t work. Also agree that onions work better in the press. As with Adrian, were we (members of HUBS) are facilities-based (we don’t really do resale of Ma Bell^H^H^H^HBT) happy to arrange for access circuits to be sent wherever convenient. Cheers, -w P.S. Amusing that the french-canadian idiom “occupe toi de tes onions” roughly translates as “mind your own business”. But I doubt if Dingledine et al knew that. -- Please support ORG's work - join and help fund our future: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/join To unsubscribe, send a blank email to org-discuss-le...@lists.openrightsgroup.org or use https://lists.openrightsgroup.org/listinfo/org-discuss
[ORG-discuss] IPBill / Kickstarting OnionDSL to generate media interest?
As expected the IPBill is heading onward and we've only got a few steps left before it becomes law. As a last ditch attempt to kick up some media interest I'm proposing to publish a kickstarter for a Proof of Concept broadband product I'm calling OnionDSL which is specifically designed to undermine parts of the bill; Preview URL: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1443832821/224433997? token=508966fe In essence instead of your DSL connection receiving a real IPv4 / IPv6 address and access to a next hop router to allow bi-directional communication with the Internet via IP routing you will instead be dropped into a closed private network that only exposes a Tor bridge. You configure your home devices to connect to Tor as normal (albeit specifying to use the bridges) and then you can get online. This broadband product nullifies most of the more privacy intruding elements of the Bill even if the Home Office issued any of their new notices (ICR retention, NSL etc) and should also protect privacy of users even if my transit / peering / PPP sessions were tapped. No ICRs (at least nothing useful) No tracking NIT tools cannot expose your "real" IP address Unfortunately this would not be the best thing to sign up for as an individual (telegraphing you want an ultra-anonymous home Internet connection, that said, I'd use it on one of my lines) however it *could* be of use to libraries, shelters, community centers etc if it were to actually get funded. The point here is point out that ICRs are trivial to defeat and generate some media furor over ICRs / make more people aware that Tor can defeat ICRs. Before I go ahead (the KS page needs a bit more tidying but am planning on publishing on Monday) does anyone have any suggestions / objections / questions? -- Please support ORG's work - join and help fund our future: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/join To unsubscribe, send a blank email to org-discuss-le...@lists.openrightsgroup.org or use https://lists.openrightsgroup.org/listinfo/org-discuss
