RV: Some questions about orion-ejb-xml.jar
Title: Firma tb solutions Diseño de fondo I've been testing Orion the last three weeks. In Orion web, I've read to put orion-ejb-jar.xml under orion directory for an EJB. In some other sites, this file must reside under META-INF directory. Which is the correct place to put orion-ejb-jar.xml? I've assumed that the correct answer to my first question is orion. When Orion deploys my application, it respects some of the parameters I've written, but it deletes some of them. Can anyone help me on this problem? And the last question. Is there any relation between orion-ejb-jar.xml, ejb-jar.xml (under META-INF), and the parameters location and name of an EJB. I've tried to put a location which was different to its ejb name and Orion has not noticed the change. Thank in advance, Andrs. Andrs Escudero ApesteguaTB SolutionsDesarrollo eBanking[EMAIL PROTECTED]tlf: +34 948 173 319fax: +34 948 172 235web: http://www.tb-solutions.com
Re: RV: Some questions about orion-ejb-xml.jar
The correct place is to place them in the META-INF directory, next to your other deployment files. It *used* to be the orion directory, but that was changed a long time ago. This tutorial should help you understand the orion xml files more: http://kb.atlassian.com/content/atlassian/howto/orionxml.jsp Cheers, Scott Andrés Escudero Apesteguía wrote: I've been testing Orion the last three weeks. In Orion web, I've read to put orion-ejb-jar.xml under orion directory for an EJB. In some other sites, this file must reside under META-INF directory. Which is the correct place to put orion-ejb-jar.xml? I've assumed that the correct answer to my first question is orion. When Orion deploys my application, it respects some of the parameters I've written, but it deletes some of them. Can anyone help me on this problem? And the last question. Is there any relation between orion-ejb-jar.xml, ejb-jar.xml (under META-INF), and the parameters location and name of an EJB. I've tried to put a location which was different to its ejb name and Orion has not noticed the change. Thank in advance, Andrés. Andrés Escudero Apesteguía TB Solutions Desarrollo eBanking [EMAIL PROTECTED] tlf: +34 948 173 319 fax: +34 948 172 235 web: http://www.tb-solutions.com http://www.tb-solutions.com/ -- Scott Farquhar :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Atlassian :: http://www.atlassian.com Supporting YOUR J2EE World
RE: Some questions on Orion
Hi, my thoughts to this matter: * Orion has NO support, besides this list which is a good one * Orion has NO Education * PL/SQL is not a servlet, it is built into the DB and is widely used. * Oracle has consultancy, marketing and so forth which is important for customers (not developers). So the 20:1 (haven't checked that) is nothing compared to what you get from Oracle. Kalle, PS. You could get the 1 million dollars if you follow the rules, it i s easy to win if you make up your own rules. DS. From: elephantwalker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Some questions on Orion Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:27:17 -0700 Paolo, true. But you can use perl scripts in orion. Pl/sql, I mean, give me a break. That's just an Oracle servlet that could just as well be some other sql servlet. Likewise, if you have good cmp/ejbs, there is no need for pl/sql. Other developer tools are also integrated with orion. I use Forte to create Orion ejb's all of the time. Struts and other tools are just as good for form building and handling. Forte can also be used to automate your form building process with orion. If you use the opensympony cache, you can beat the Oracle web cache...I tried for a year to get the $1 million from Oracle (Larry's famous $1 million challenge), but they would not let us use orion and opensymphony cache! Orion has one of the best user and role manager api's built into the server. The price difference is 20:1. I mean, give me a break! Regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paolo Ramasso Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 12:45 AM To: Orion-Interest Cc: BUCCI,STEFANO Subject: Re: Some questions on Orion ciao just to clarify yes it is true orion is cheaper than 9ias but oc4j (orion) is a component of our application server, we have pl/sql, perl, form (developer), tools for application integration (worlflow, trasformation and messaging), business intelligence, intelligent web cache, all these pieces are included in 9ias, so it depend on your needs to choose the right product. ciao Paolo elephantwalker wrote: see below... regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Florian Werner Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:53 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Some questions on Orion Hi! I'm currently evaluating Orion for internal use and a customer. Does Orion support/include: RMI over JRMP ? any OODBMS ? any ORMapping Tools ? Realm-Integration like LDAP, RDBMS ? j2ee support for rmi uses the over the wire protocol ormi. AFAIK, If you can create a schema for the databank (should be easily done with OODBMS) this should work. Like most j2ee vendors, Orion has its own OR mapping tool EJBUserManager and DataSourceUserManager can be used directly with a database and a new custom usermanager can easily use an LDAP server. There is also a rolemanager api. Are the any IDEs supporting Orion (beside Kawa from Macromedia) ? We use Sun's Forte debugging with Orion all of the time. Is ORACLE going to by Orion ? Oracle has already licensed Orion as oc4j. So you can pay Oracle $30 k for Orion, or pay Ironflare $1.5 k ;). oc4j is exactly the same as Orion. Regards Florian Werner _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
RE: Some questions on Orion
Some thoughts: For support, check http://www.atlassian.com/ and http://www.orionsupport.com in addition to this list. For Education, see http://www.orionsupport.com, although I will agree that this pales in comparison to the Oracle training available. PL/SQL is built into the DB, and therefore not as cross platform compatible as Java servlets. If the client wants to run SQL Server, what do you do? For consultancy, check http://www.atlassian.com/ again, or just ask around on the list. We have consultants here. However, I will concede that Oracle has a much larger consultant and marketing base. On the 20:1 ratio, that is actually quite low. 3 years ago (prices have probably gone up) 1 Oracle sever with 16 client licenses and Silver yearly support was almost 50,000 USD. That works out to over 30:1. In the end, it is an individual decision, but I think cost will be a major factor for many smaller shops. - Ernie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brynolf Andersson Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:53 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Some questions on Orion Hi, my thoughts to this matter: * Orion has NO support, besides this list which is a good one * Orion has NO Education * PL/SQL is not a servlet, it is built into the DB and is widely used. * Oracle has consultancy, marketing and so forth which is important for customers (not developers). So the 20:1 (haven't checked that) is nothing compared to what you get from Oracle. Kalle, PS. You could get the 1 million dollars if you follow the rules, it i s easy to win if you make up your own rules. DS. From: elephantwalker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Some questions on Orion Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:27:17 -0700 Paolo, true. But you can use perl scripts in orion. Pl/sql, I mean, give me a break. That's just an Oracle servlet that could just as well be some other sql servlet. Likewise, if you have good cmp/ejbs, there is no need for pl/sql. Other developer tools are also integrated with orion. I use Forte to create Orion ejb's all of the time. Struts and other tools are just as good for form building and handling. Forte can also be used to automate your form building process with orion. If you use the opensympony cache, you can beat the Oracle web cache...I tried for a year to get the $1 million from Oracle (Larry's famous $1 million challenge), but they would not let us use orion and opensymphony cache! Orion has one of the best user and role manager api's built into the server. The price difference is 20:1. I mean, give me a break! Regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paolo Ramasso Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 12:45 AM To: Orion-Interest Cc: BUCCI,STEFANO Subject: Re: Some questions on Orion ciao just to clarify yes it is true orion is cheaper than 9ias but oc4j (orion) is a component of our application server, we have pl/sql, perl, form (developer), tools for application integration (worlflow, trasformation and messaging), business intelligence, intelligent web cache, all these pieces are included in 9ias, so it depend on your needs to choose the right product. ciao Paolo elephantwalker wrote: see below... regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Florian Werner Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:53 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Some questions on Orion Hi! I'm currently evaluating Orion for internal use and a customer. Does Orion support/include: RMI over JRMP ? any OODBMS ? any ORMapping Tools ? Realm-Integration like LDAP, RDBMS ? j2ee support for rmi uses the over the wire protocol ormi. AFAIK, If you can create a schema for the databank (should be easily done with OODBMS) this should work. Like most j2ee vendors, Orion has its own OR mapping tool EJBUserManager and DataSourceUserManager can be used directly with a database and a new custom usermanager can easily use an LDAP server. There is also a rolemanager api. Are the any IDEs supporting Orion (beside Kawa from Macromedia) ? We use Sun's Forte debugging with Orion all of the time. Is ORACLE going to by Orion ? Oracle has already licensed Orion as oc4j. So you can pay Oracle $30 k for Orion, or pay Ironflare $1.5 k ;). oc4j is exactly the same as Orion. Regards Florian Werner _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Re: Some questions on Orion
Kevin Duffey wrote: I will get my try at LDAP soon and I recall seeing some posts here on LDAP, so I would imagine it works with LDAP..of what company I have no idea. I've been using OpenLDAP (http://www.openldap.org) with Sun's LDAP provider in Linux. So far I haven't had any problems. The LDAP operations I've done are very basic though (listing, adding and deleting entries). -- Joni [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some questions on Orion
I've been using the Win2K active directory with Sun's LDAP api. Works great - though my work has been even more basic - listing/authentication. --- Joni Suominen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Duffey wrote: I will get my try at LDAP soon and I recall seeing some posts here on LDAP, so I would imagine it works with LDAP..of what company I have no idea. I've been using OpenLDAP (http://www.openldap.org) with Sun's LDAP provider in Linux. So far I haven't had any problems. The LDAP operations I've done are very basic though (listing, adding and deleting entries). -- Joni [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: Some questions on Orion
ciao just to clarify yes it is true orion is cheaper than 9ias but oc4j (orion) is a component of our application server, we have pl/sql, perl, form (developer), tools for application integration (worlflow, trasformation and messaging), business intelligence, intelligent web cache, all these pieces are included in 9ias, so it depend on your needs to choose the right product. ciao Paolo elephantwalker wrote: see below... regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Florian Werner Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:53 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Some questions on Orion Hi! I'm currently evaluating Orion for internal use and a customer. Does Orion support/include: RMI over JRMP ? any OODBMS ? any ORMapping Tools ? Realm-Integration like LDAP, RDBMS ? j2ee support for rmi uses the over the wire protocol ormi. AFAIK, If you can create a schema for the databank (should be easily done with OODBMS) this should work. Like most j2ee vendors, Orion has its own OR mapping tool EJBUserManager and DataSourceUserManager can be used directly with a database and a new custom usermanager can easily use an LDAP server. There is also a rolemanager api. Are the any IDEs supporting Orion (beside Kawa from Macromedia) ? We use Sun's Forte debugging with Orion all of the time. Is ORACLE going to by Orion ? Oracle has already licensed Orion as oc4j. So you can pay Oracle $30 k for Orion, or pay Ironflare $1.5 k ;). oc4j is exactly the same as Orion. Regards Florian Werner begin:vcard n:ramasso;paolo x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fn:paolo ramasso end:vcard
RE: Some questions on Orion
Paolo, true. But you can use perl scripts in orion. Pl/sql, I mean, give me a break. That's just an Oracle servlet that could just as well be some other sql servlet. Likewise, if you have good cmp/ejbs, there is no need for pl/sql. Other developer tools are also integrated with orion. I use Forte to create Orion ejb's all of the time. Struts and other tools are just as good for form building and handling. Forte can also be used to automate your form building process with orion. If you use the opensympony cache, you can beat the Oracle web cache...I tried for a year to get the $1 million from Oracle (Larry's famous $1 million challenge), but they would not let us use orion and opensymphony cache! Orion has one of the best user and role manager api's built into the server. The price difference is 20:1. I mean, give me a break! Regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paolo Ramasso Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 12:45 AM To: Orion-Interest Cc: BUCCI,STEFANO Subject: Re: Some questions on Orion ciao just to clarify yes it is true orion is cheaper than 9ias but oc4j (orion) is a component of our application server, we have pl/sql, perl, form (developer), tools for application integration (worlflow, trasformation and messaging), business intelligence, intelligent web cache, all these pieces are included in 9ias, so it depend on your needs to choose the right product. ciao Paolo elephantwalker wrote: see below... regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Florian Werner Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:53 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Some questions on Orion Hi! I'm currently evaluating Orion for internal use and a customer. Does Orion support/include: RMI over JRMP ? any OODBMS ? any ORMapping Tools ? Realm-Integration like LDAP, RDBMS ? j2ee support for rmi uses the over the wire protocol ormi. AFAIK, If you can create a schema for the databank (should be easily done with OODBMS) this should work. Like most j2ee vendors, Orion has its own OR mapping tool EJBUserManager and DataSourceUserManager can be used directly with a database and a new custom usermanager can easily use an LDAP server. There is also a rolemanager api. Are the any IDEs supporting Orion (beside Kawa from Macromedia) ? We use Sun's Forte debugging with Orion all of the time. Is ORACLE going to by Orion ? Oracle has already licensed Orion as oc4j. So you can pay Oracle $30 k for Orion, or pay Ironflare $1.5 k ;). oc4j is exactly the same as Orion. Regards Florian Werner
Some questions on Orion
Hi! I'm currently evaluating Orion for internal use and a customer. Does Orion support/include: RMI over JRMP ? any OODBMS ? any ORMapping Tools ? Realm-Integration like LDAP, RDBMS ? Are the any IDEs supporting Orion (beside Kawa from Macromedia) ? Is ORACLE going to by Orion ? Regards Florian Werner
RE: Some questions on Orion
I can answer a phew. Orion works with any JDBC driver. OODBMS most likely use a JDBC driver. If they don't..I imagine any use of OODBMS requires proprietary coding..which I can't imagine in the world of Java standards would be accepted too well..especially since OODBMS are not widely adopted at this point. I believe Orion has a simple O/R tool with it, but most O/R tools shouldn't have any problems deploying to any J2EE compliant app server. There might be some special tweaking required. Personally, I use ANT to do all my builds and deploys..which has nothing to dow ith O/R, but some tools may usually touch a file after deploying O/R created beans to auto-reload the beans in the app server. They may be specific to a couple of big-name app servers. Oracle licensed Orions code..I doubt they will be buying it. I believe Orion will continue selling its product as is for the same $1500 per server and continue making it better, support J2EE 1.3 and so on. I am sure you'll start seeing more tools (like O/R) that work with Orion since Oracle is a big name and licensed their code. If you download the OC4J components of Oracle, its almost 100% Orion. The only thing I noticed is that a few .jar files are different (did a compare on the 1.5.2 branch of Orion with the OC4J branch). Orion.jar is the main difference with the OC4J being 380K or so while the Orion is 200K or so. Not sure why the Oracle is so much larger..I do know that it has its Oracle 9i name in it instead of Orion however. I will get my try at LDAP soon and I recall seeing some posts here on LDAP, so I would imagine it works with LDAP..of what company I have no idea. Orion is extremly easy to set up, VERY fast (infact..I think Oracle is touting 2 to 3 times faster than anyone else including Bea, IBM, iPlanet...it will be nice to see some performance tests on static pages, dynamic pages, ejb access, clustering, etc). Orion is very easy to cluster..although I am not sure how good it is yet. I know the concept of using islands is a good one. Thus far I am not aware if any hardware load balancers have any issues with Orion islands, making sure the right session goes to the right island and properly load balances between islands. When setting up a cluster, I would want a load balancer that can handle proper load balancing between ALL islands, and then proper load balancing between each server in an island, all while maintaining the right session ids going to the right island. In this way, you can set up one (or more) islands each only needing two servers. If one server fails, the other one continues, you are alerted and you replace/fix the server. If you need high up-time, you keep two islands going, each with two servers. Should you get a lot of hits, you add one (or more) extra islands of servers. From what I tried (only a single island of two servers) it took mere minutes to configure Orion. I have not tried it with hardware load balancers though. Also, on a side note..I recommend hardware ssl devices in front of the server farm. First, they cost about $5K or so, and they can allow you to handle 1000's of SSL transactions per second by decoding/encoding the SSL in hardware. Even nicer, you never have to worry about setting up Orion (or any web/app server) with any SSL stuff, therefore you never need to worry about special SSL sessions, loss of session when going form SSL to normal or vice versa, etc. Not that Orion has this problem..I don't know. But I have seen some of these problems posted here in the past year or so. Hope that helps. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Florian Werner Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 6:51 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Some questions on Orion Hi! I'm currently evaluating Orion for internal use and a customer. Does Orion support/include: RMI over JRMP ? any OODBMS ? any ORMapping Tools ? Realm-Integration like LDAP, RDBMS ? Are the any IDEs supporting Orion (beside Kawa from Macromedia) ? Is ORACLE going to by Orion ? Regards Florian Werner
Some questions on Orion
Hi! I'm currently evaluating Orion for internal use and a customer. Does Orion support/include: RMI over JRMP ? any OODBMS ? any ORMapping Tools ? Realm-Integration like LDAP, RDBMS ? Are the any IDEs supporting Orion (beside Kawa from Macromedia) ? Is ORACLE going to by Orion ? Regards Florian Werner
RE: Some questions on Orion
see below... regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Florian Werner Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:53 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Some questions on Orion Hi! I'm currently evaluating Orion for internal use and a customer. Does Orion support/include: RMI over JRMP ? any OODBMS ? any ORMapping Tools ? Realm-Integration like LDAP, RDBMS ? j2ee support for rmi uses the over the wire protocol ormi. AFAIK, If you can create a schema for the databank (should be easily done with OODBMS) this should work. Like most j2ee vendors, Orion has its own OR mapping tool EJBUserManager and DataSourceUserManager can be used directly with a database and a new custom usermanager can easily use an LDAP server. There is also a rolemanager api. Are the any IDEs supporting Orion (beside Kawa from Macromedia) ? We use Sun's Forte debugging with Orion all of the time. Is ORACLE going to by Orion ? Oracle has already licensed Orion as oc4j. So you can pay Oracle $30 k for Orion, or pay Ironflare $1.5 k ;). oc4j is exactly the same as Orion. Regards Florian Werner
