[osg-users] [vpb] osgdem and HAE/MSL
Hi, When providing elevation data to osgdem. is it expected to be in HAE (height above ellipoid), or MSL (mean sea level), or can it tell from the input? For example, I am providing elevation data in the AIG/Arc/Info Binary Grid format (.adf). The data represents the elevation of the area in meters MSL. However, when I osgpick a point and convert it to Lat-Lon-Alt MSL, the altitude is off by about 30m (the difference between HAE and MSL at this location). This are the options I ran osgdem with $ osgdem --geocentric -o output.ive -l 8 -d ./path-to-dted/ -t image.tif Is it possible to specify a vertical datum or coordinate system, such as EGM96? Thank you! Cheers, Nick -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=55984#55984 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] [vpb] osgdem and HAE/MSL
Nick, Osgdem will work with the input elevation. It will build the database based on the input source. For example if you're using DTED and the geocentric option, it will place the point at the specified elevation (in meters) above the ellipsoid. The point is represented in the Cartesian ECEF geocentric space (e.g. x,y,z). The default ellipsoid used is WGS84. You can specify the polar and equatorial radii in osgdem to fit to another ellipsoid. Just make sure you specify those radii in your EllipsoidModel class on the rendering side so that things match up. The EllipsoidModel class also defaults to WGS84... HTH -Shayne -Original Message- From: osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org [mailto:osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org] On Behalf Of Nick Modly Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:46 PM To: osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org Subject: [osg-users] [vpb] osgdem and HAE/MSL Hi, When providing elevation data to osgdem. is it expected to be in HAE (height above ellipoid), or MSL (mean sea level), or can it tell from the input? For example, I am providing elevation data in the AIG/Arc/Info Binary Grid format (.adf). The data represents the elevation of the area in meters MSL. However, when I osgpick a point and convert it to Lat-Lon-Alt MSL, the altitude is off by about 30m (the difference between HAE and MSL at this location). This are the options I ran osgdem with $ osgdem --geocentric -o output.ive -l 8 -d ./path-to-dted/ -t image.tif Is it possible to specify a vertical datum or coordinate system, such as EGM96? Thank you! Cheers, Nick -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=55984#55984 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] [vpb] osgdem and HAE/MSL
Shayne, Correct, for each height value in your DTED grid, you have to sample the EGM96 geoid at that point and add the two together. That will give you HAE. I don't know of any tools off the cuff, sorry. osgEarth has vertical datum support so you could probably write a tool using that. Glenn Waldron / @glennwaldron / osgEarth On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Tueller, Shayne R Civ USAF AFMC 519 SMXS/MXDEC shayne.tuel...@hill.af.mil wrote: Glenn, VPB does reference to the WGS84 for the --geocentric option. So to do the conversion, do you have to remove the contribution of the geoid (gravitational equipotential surface) from the raw DTED first before pumping it into VPB? Is there an application that does this? Thanks, -Shayne -Original Message- From: osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org [mailto:osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Waldron Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:04 PM To: OpenSceneGraph Users Subject: Re: [osg-users] [vpb] osgdem and HAE/MSL Nick, Shayne, I have not looked at VPB in a while, but I believe it expects height values to be referenced to the WGS84 ellipsoid. If that's the case you'll need to convert it first to HAE. By the way: DTED heights are referenced to the EGM96 geoid (not to the WGS84 ellipsoid). So they need conversion in order to be properly displayed. GDAL (up until recently?) does not convey this information so there's no way for the application to know. You just have to know :) Glenn Waldron / @glennwaldron On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Tueller, Shayne R Civ USAF AFMC 519 SMXS/MXDEC shayne.tuel...@hill.af.mil wrote: Nick, Osgdem will work with the input elevation. It will build the database based on the input source. For example if you're using DTED and the geocentric option, it will place the point at the specified elevation (in meters) above the ellipsoid. The point is represented in the Cartesian ECEF geocentric space (e.g. x,y,z). The default ellipsoid used is WGS84. You can specify the polar and equatorial radii in osgdem to fit to another ellipsoid. Just make sure you specify those radii in your EllipsoidModel class on the rendering side so that things match up. The EllipsoidModel class also defaults to WGS84... HTH -Shayne -Original Message- From: osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org [mailto:osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org] On Behalf Of Nick Modly Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:46 PM To: osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org Subject: [osg-users] [vpb] osgdem and HAE/MSL Hi, When providing elevation data to osgdem. is it expected to be in HAE (height above ellipoid), or MSL (mean sea level), or can it tell from the input? For example, I am providing elevation data in the AIG/Arc/Info Binary Grid format (.adf). The data represents the elevation of the area in meters MSL. However, when I osgpick a point and convert it to Lat-Lon-Alt MSL, the altitude is off by about 30m (the difference between HAE and MSL at this location). This are the options I ran osgdem with $ osgdem --geocentric -o output.ive -l 8 -d ./path-to-dted/ -t image.tif Is it possible to specify a vertical datum or coordinate system, such as EGM96? Thank you! Cheers, Nick -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=55984#55984 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] [vpb] osgdem and HAE/MSL
Nick, Shayne, I have not looked at VPB in a while, but I believe it expects height values to be referenced to the WGS84 ellipsoid. If that's the case you'll need to convert it first to HAE. By the way: DTED heights are referenced to the EGM96 geoid (not to the WGS84 ellipsoid). So they need conversion in order to be properly displayed. GDAL (up until recently?) does not convey this information so there's no way for the application to know. You just have to know :) Glenn Waldron / @glennwaldron On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Tueller, Shayne R Civ USAF AFMC 519 SMXS/MXDEC shayne.tuel...@hill.af.mil wrote: Nick, Osgdem will work with the input elevation. It will build the database based on the input source. For example if you're using DTED and the geocentric option, it will place the point at the specified elevation (in meters) above the ellipsoid. The point is represented in the Cartesian ECEF geocentric space (e.g. x,y,z). The default ellipsoid used is WGS84. You can specify the polar and equatorial radii in osgdem to fit to another ellipsoid. Just make sure you specify those radii in your EllipsoidModel class on the rendering side so that things match up. The EllipsoidModel class also defaults to WGS84... HTH -Shayne -Original Message- From: osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org [mailto:osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org] On Behalf Of Nick Modly Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:46 PM To: osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org Subject: [osg-users] [vpb] osgdem and HAE/MSL Hi, When providing elevation data to osgdem. is it expected to be in HAE (height above ellipoid), or MSL (mean sea level), or can it tell from the input? For example, I am providing elevation data in the AIG/Arc/Info Binary Grid format (.adf). The data represents the elevation of the area in meters MSL. However, when I osgpick a point and convert it to Lat-Lon-Alt MSL, the altitude is off by about 30m (the difference between HAE and MSL at this location). This are the options I ran osgdem with $ osgdem --geocentric -o output.ive -l 8 -d ./path-to-dted/ -t image.tif Is it possible to specify a vertical datum or coordinate system, such as EGM96? Thank you! Cheers, Nick -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=55984#55984 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] [vpb] osgdem and HAE/MSL
Good stuff to know. Thank you. -Shayne -Original Message- From: osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org [mailto:osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Waldron Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:34 PM To: OpenSceneGraph Users Subject: Re: [osg-users] [vpb] osgdem and HAE/MSL Shayne, Correct, for each height value in your DTED grid, you have to sample the EGM96 geoid at that point and add the two together. That will give you HAE. I don't know of any tools off the cuff, sorry. osgEarth has vertical datum support so you could probably write a tool using that. Glenn Waldron / @glennwaldron / osgEarth On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Tueller, Shayne R Civ USAF AFMC 519 SMXS/MXDEC shayne.tuel...@hill.af.mil wrote: Glenn, VPB does reference to the WGS84 for the --geocentric option. So to do the conversion, do you have to remove the contribution of the geoid (gravitational equipotential surface) from the raw DTED first before pumping it into VPB? Is there an application that does this? Thanks, -Shayne -Original Message- From: osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org [mailto:osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Waldron Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:04 PM To: OpenSceneGraph Users Subject: Re: [osg-users] [vpb] osgdem and HAE/MSL Nick, Shayne, I have not looked at VPB in a while, but I believe it expects height values to be referenced to the WGS84 ellipsoid. If that's the case you'll need to convert it first to HAE. By the way: DTED heights are referenced to the EGM96 geoid (not to the WGS84 ellipsoid). So they need conversion in order to be properly displayed. GDAL (up until recently?) does not convey this information so there's no way for the application to know. You just have to know :) Glenn Waldron / @glennwaldron On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Tueller, Shayne R Civ USAF AFMC 519 SMXS/MXDEC shayne.tuel...@hill.af.mil wrote: Nick, Osgdem will work with the input elevation. It will build the database based on the input source. For example if you're using DTED and the geocentric option, it will place the point at the specified elevation (in meters) above the ellipsoid. The point is represented in the Cartesian ECEF geocentric space (e.g. x,y,z). The default ellipsoid used is WGS84. You can specify the polar and equatorial radii in osgdem to fit to another ellipsoid. Just make sure you specify those radii in your EllipsoidModel class on the rendering side so that things match up. The EllipsoidModel class also defaults to WGS84... HTH -Shayne -Original Message- From: osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org [mailto:osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org] On Behalf Of Nick Modly Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:46 PM To: osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org Subject: [osg-users] [vpb] osgdem and HAE/MSL Hi, When providing elevation data to osgdem. is it expected to be in HAE (height above ellipoid), or MSL (mean sea level), or can it tell from the input? For example, I am providing elevation data in the AIG/Arc/Info Binary Grid format (.adf). The data represents the elevation of the area in meters MSL. However, when I osgpick a point and convert it to Lat-Lon-Alt MSL, the altitude is off by about 30m (the difference between HAE and MSL at this location). This are the options I ran osgdem with $ osgdem --geocentric -o output.ive -l 8 -d ./path-to-dted/ -t image.tif Is it possible to specify a vertical datum or coordinate system, such as EGM96? Thank you! Cheers, Nick -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=55984#55984 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] [vpb] osgdem and HAE/MSL
Glenn, VPB does reference to the WGS84 for the --geocentric option. So to do the conversion, do you have to remove the contribution of the geoid (gravitational equipotential surface) from the raw DTED first before pumping it into VPB? Is there an application that does this? Thanks, -Shayne -Original Message- From: osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org [mailto:osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Waldron Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:04 PM To: OpenSceneGraph Users Subject: Re: [osg-users] [vpb] osgdem and HAE/MSL Nick, Shayne, I have not looked at VPB in a while, but I believe it expects height values to be referenced to the WGS84 ellipsoid. If that's the case you'll need to convert it first to HAE. By the way: DTED heights are referenced to the EGM96 geoid (not to the WGS84 ellipsoid). So they need conversion in order to be properly displayed. GDAL (up until recently?) does not convey this information so there's no way for the application to know. You just have to know :) Glenn Waldron / @glennwaldron On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Tueller, Shayne R Civ USAF AFMC 519 SMXS/MXDEC shayne.tuel...@hill.af.mil wrote: Nick, Osgdem will work with the input elevation. It will build the database based on the input source. For example if you're using DTED and the geocentric option, it will place the point at the specified elevation (in meters) above the ellipsoid. The point is represented in the Cartesian ECEF geocentric space (e.g. x,y,z). The default ellipsoid used is WGS84. You can specify the polar and equatorial radii in osgdem to fit to another ellipsoid. Just make sure you specify those radii in your EllipsoidModel class on the rendering side so that things match up. The EllipsoidModel class also defaults to WGS84... HTH -Shayne -Original Message- From: osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org [mailto:osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org] On Behalf Of Nick Modly Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:46 PM To: osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org Subject: [osg-users] [vpb] osgdem and HAE/MSL Hi, When providing elevation data to osgdem. is it expected to be in HAE (height above ellipoid), or MSL (mean sea level), or can it tell from the input? For example, I am providing elevation data in the AIG/Arc/Info Binary Grid format (.adf). The data represents the elevation of the area in meters MSL. However, when I osgpick a point and convert it to Lat-Lon-Alt MSL, the altitude is off by about 30m (the difference between HAE and MSL at this location). This are the options I ran osgdem with $ osgdem --geocentric -o output.ive -l 8 -d ./path-to-dted/ -t image.tif Is it possible to specify a vertical datum or coordinate system, such as EGM96? Thank you! Cheers, Nick -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=55984#55984 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
