Re: [OSList] Asynchronous voting

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Hi Thomas,

My first sense is that a week of voting is obviously technically
possible, but it didn't feel useful.  Took me a minute to put my finger on
it in a specific way.  The purpose of voting is converging again, after
diverging in discussions.  There are various stories to be told about what
might happen in a week of voting, what it might feel like, what people
might do or not do, or experience... but in the end, for me, it comes down
to converging.  All at once seems to do that best.

I wouldn't offer this decision as a discussion during the program.  I think
it's part of the container you/we are asked to provide.  Could there be
value in such a discussion, sure.  Could also be a big distraction and no
obvious way to settle the question, undermining everything else,
needlessly.  And in the end, it just doesn't take that long to do it
together, all at once.

As Michael suggests, with a group that size it's often possible to go
straight into what we've previously called "re-opening for action."  It
might be worth making a space to collect ideas for action in advance of the
action meeting -- ONLY -- if there is an existing place to post them THAT
wants to be established or strengthened as the place people will be able to
continue posting new ideas for discussion and action, in the course of
their ongoing work together AND if people will be paying attention to
that space and be likely to be having conversations about it in that
interim period.  Absent those learning opportunities, there's not value in
running a quiet, dark suggestion box sort of idea gathering place with
little sense of responsibility tied to the ideas that might come forth.
Better to have people show up, call out their action interests, in person,
fully responsible and ready to do their thing.

One important thing, maybe the most important thing re: action planning, is
what you're already doing... putting the document back to them with the
shortest possible delay, one day, as you say.  This models what you want
them to do, to ACT, and gives them maximum time to read and discuss amongst
themselves, in whatever channels and tools and ways that they already have
and know well, so that they come to the next session READY to do the next
thing, together.

I guess that's my final criteria for your voting decision... which way is
most likely to make the most people feel like they really are doing
something new and important TOGETHER?

m



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On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear Thomas,
>
> usually, the folks at the action planning part of an os event will post
> their projects at the beginning of the action planning part of the open
> space event.
> They are the champions for acting on the projects that have heart and
> meaning for them.
>
> Against that background, what is the purpose of the "voting process"
> before the action planning?
>
> Who needs the information on "what people feel most engaged to continue
> working on"?
>
> My experience with action planning after an os event (one week and two
> weeks later) is that the focusing on action projects appears to be more
> grounded AND that folks that were not at the os event itself appear at
> the action planning part... my assumption has been, that folks talk to
> others that did not attend the os event and sometimes "recruit" those
> that need to be part of the projects, that they champion.
>
> At several occasions folks that had been at the os event and then also
> took part in action planning told me that the extra person they
> "recruited" for the action planning had been very skeptical about the
> ost event and had felt no need to be part of it.
>
> Have a great day in Kungsbacka on your Stiefmütterchen Weg
> mmp
>
> Am 08.05.2022 um 20:44 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList:
> > Dear friends in Open Space
> >
> > In one months time I will facilitate a one day OST with about 100
> > participants. Probably reports will be written on flipcharts and the
> > documentation will be delivered as a PDF the next day.
> >
> > One week later we are going to have an online meeting to do action
> > plans. We are considering having a voting process in the time between
> > the two events to get information on what people feel most engaged to
> > continue working on. Do you have any experiences and/or recommendations
> > to share with me?
> >
> > All the best
> >
> > Thomas Herrmann
> >
> > Open Space Consulting AB
> >
> > Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden
> >
> > Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81
> >
> > Email: tho...@openspaceconsulting.com
> > 
> >
> > Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com <
> http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/>
> >
> > Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult
> > 
> >
> 

Re: [OSList] Open Source Blockchain Investment may boom 5, 400% Return On Investment

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Credit goes to Chris Corrigan, Birgitt.


On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 13:55 Birgitt Williams via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi Michael,
> thank you for posting lists of what you have realized that people prefer
> and what people appreciate and using the term 'generally' as in no fixed
> rules about conversation.
>
> As I read your post, I reflected on what I prefer and why I have
> participated on this list almost from the beginning. I am passionate about
> freedome of speech accompanied by The Law of Two Feet, knowing I have
> choice to focus on what I prefer to focus on and what I prefer to veer away
> from with my energy. I am passionate about embracing diversity, inclusion,
> and belonging hence I love being aware that space is open for diverse
> perspectives, whether or  not they line up with my own. I am passionate
> about being able to sit in silence, reflecting on what I have read, no
> matter the post, knowing all of it is exactly what is meant to be, and all
> can assist me in my growth and expansion, helping me to leave behind
> limiting beliefs and thoughts.
>
> I post to thai list when something is important to me to say, which may or
> may not be important to anyone else. I open space for myself, for the
> diversity within me, assuming both inclusion and belonging.
>
> in appreciation,
> with genuine contact,
> Birgitt
>
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> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 11:51 AM Michael Herman via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> sometime around the turn of the millennium, chris corrigan penned answers
>> to many frequently asked questions.  then updated in 2004 and 2010.  not
>> rules, just a good summary of what had become common practice and
>> understanding on/about the list.  here's one specifically about "etiquette"
>> for posting to the list:
>>
>>
>> *5. What is the etiquette for posting to OSLIST?*
>>
>> There are no hard and fast rules about what to post to OSLIST, but in
>> general people appreciate the following:
>>
>>- Questions about working with Open Space Technology
>>- Answers to relevant questions
>>- Stories about Open Space Technology meetings
>>- Poems (there is a regular poetry contest that happens every six
>>months or so)
>>- Notices of upcoming Open Space Technology training or conferences
>>- Resource material that may be of interest to Open Space Technology
>>facilitators
>>- Opportunities and calls for OST facilitators.
>>- Introductions from new subscribers
>>- Discussion about theories and ideas that can help to improve the
>>understanding and practice of Open Space Technology
>>- Experiences working with Open Space Organizations
>>- Accounts of other ways of “opening space.”.
>>- Posts in languages other than English are acceptable. OSLIST has
>>readers who speak Cantonese, German, Swedish, Danish, Mandarin, Hindi,
>>Russian, Portuguese, Hebrew, Haitian Creole, Spanish and French among
>>others and items have been posted in several of these languages in the 
>> past.
>>
>> In general, OSLIST users seem to prefer that people avoid the following:
>>
>>- Attachments. Please either post these to a website and provide the
>>link to the list, or ask people to indicate if they wish to receive them
>>off list. Viruses are sent as attachments, and so most people will
>>routinely delete them if they are not sent personally.
>>- Flaming. We are a pretty congenial group, and flaming is relatively
>>unknown amongst us. It would be nice to keep it that way. If you have
>>negative things to say about individuals it would be appreciated if you
>>could keep them off list.
>>- Virus warnings. If you absolutely feel the need to post a virus
>

Re: [OSList] Open Source Blockchain Investment may boom 5, 400% Return On Investment

[Michael Herman via OSList]

sometime around the turn of the millennium, chris corrigan penned answers
to many frequently asked questions.  then updated in 2004 and 2010.  not
rules, just a good summary of what had become common practice and
understanding on/about the list.  here's one specifically about "etiquette"
for posting to the list:


*5. What is the etiquette for posting to OSLIST?*

There are no hard and fast rules about what to post to OSLIST, but in
general people appreciate the following:

   - Questions about working with Open Space Technology
   - Answers to relevant questions
   - Stories about Open Space Technology meetings
   - Poems (there is a regular poetry contest that happens every six months
   or so)
   - Notices of upcoming Open Space Technology training or conferences
   - Resource material that may be of interest to Open Space Technology
   facilitators
   - Opportunities and calls for OST facilitators.
   - Introductions from new subscribers
   - Discussion about theories and ideas that can help to improve the
   understanding and practice of Open Space Technology
   - Experiences working with Open Space Organizations
   - Accounts of other ways of “opening space.”.
   - Posts in languages other than English are acceptable. OSLIST has
   readers who speak Cantonese, German, Swedish, Danish, Mandarin, Hindi,
   Russian, Portuguese, Hebrew, Haitian Creole, Spanish and French among
   others and items have been posted in several of these languages in the past.

In general, OSLIST users seem to prefer that people avoid the following:

   - Attachments. Please either post these to a website and provide the
   link to the list, or ask people to indicate if they wish to receive them
   off list. Viruses are sent as attachments, and so most people will
   routinely delete them if they are not sent personally.
   - Flaming. We are a pretty congenial group, and flaming is relatively
   unknown amongst us. It would be nice to keep it that way. If you have
   negative things to say about individuals it would be appreciated if you
   could keep them off list.
   - Virus warnings. If you absolutely feel the need to post a virus
   warning to the list please ensure that the warning is not a hoax by first
   checking with the Symantec AntiVirus?
    Centre
   at http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/
   - Please try to avoid sending messages in HTML. Plain text is preferred
   on this list. All mail browsers have this option.
   - It must also be said that the jury is still out on small personal
   notes of appreciation or support to individuals. Some feel that these are a
   waste of bandwidth and add to an increasingly heavy personal email load.
   Others feel that personal messages of support sent to the list provide
   valuable affirmation to individuals by recognizing them within the
   worldwide community of Open Space Technology practitioners. It’s best to
   use your own judgment on this. If you do post notes like this to the list,
   be aware that the reception of others may be mixed.


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On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 2:50 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear Tony,
>
> yes, of course, there are rules and etiquette guiding our postings on
> OSLIST.
>
> One surefire way to harm those rules and etiquette is to set up  controls.
>
> My understanding of our rules and etiquette is to attempt to focus on
> the unfolding of selforganisation...  as a human critter, facilitator...
> and participant on the OSLIST.
>
> And I claim to not only assume but to know that there is no better way
> for our exchange.
>
> Just now I am thinking of how I talk about issues and breakout session
> when opening the market place, taking one of the issues posted as an
> example:
>
> "Ok, here is what can happen in a breakout session. One of us has posted
> the issue "money" and goes to the space chosen for that issue and
> anxiously awaits the arrival of all those that are also interested in
> his burning issue. Nobody comes. Even after 5 minutes waiting he is
> still there all by himself. He ponders on why nobody shows up,
> especially for this particularly importang issue... and is on the fringe
> of getting up and to take a nap. No, he says to himself, this is really
> an important issue. And it is the right time to have a deep exchange on it.
> And apparently, I am the only person with enough competence to deal with
> it.
> He simply starts working on it and gets done in 15 minutes, nobody
> interrupting him, writes his report and posts it."
>
> In my experience, this does not happen very often.
>
> Have a great day
> mmp
>
>
>
> Am 28.04.2022 um 02:57 schrieb Tony Budak via OSList:
> > Dear Colleagues,
> > Is there a Listserv Rules and Etiquette to guide the posting on OSList?
> >
> > Whatever the answer, I respectfully ask you all 

Re: [OSList] My Musings about time/space and OST

[Michael Herman via OSList]

This rings true for me, Birgitt. It’s a pointing out exercise for the
facilitator. Pointing out space just like we point out paper and markers.
Hinting, inviting, and reminding when surprises arise. Cuz space exists.
Holding is a tricky idea, as that might run from gently bounding, just to
show it’s there, to holding so tightly that it actually constricts others’
movement.  Highest practice to me is more than being aware OF the space, or
even being aware IN it, but rather being aware AS space. Being space. No
separation. And in that sense, not even any pointing out. Just being or
embodying space. Anything can happen. Nothing is necessary. Whoever comes…
whatever happens…


On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 11:01 Birgitt Williams via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear friends and colleagues in Open Space,
>
> It seems to me that the person who participates within an OST gathering is
> the one who opens space for themselves to participate within the OST. A
> person can choose to open very little space for their personal
> participation, or a very expansive space. No one is opening the space for
> them except themselves and doing so is a personal choice.
>
> In an organization, someone needs to open space sufficiently first of all
> to consider using Open Space Technology, and then following through to
> ensure that time is set aside so that the space is available. This is
> usually the senior leader(s) of the business unit or organization. Do they
> open space or do they set aside time and the space is open when time is set
> aside for the task of conversing?
>
> The role of the facilitator of an OST. The person neither opens space nor
> holds space. Space exists, it simply is. It seems that the facilitator's
> role is to bring to the conscious awareness of people that both time and
> space are available. And then offering some basic givens about how to make
> the most use of this gift of time and space.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> in genuine contact,
> Birgitt
>
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Re: [OSList] A Preface

[Michael Herman via OSList]

I think your preface covers a lot of good ground, Harrison.

I thought this was classic:  "I am a storyteller.  To be truthful..."  You
tell both sides like nobody I've ever known!  Not sure everyone will read
it as humorously as I did.  Maybe it wasn't even intended that way.  But I
think you could leave out "To be truthful."  Just be truthful, without
narrating it, without taking that step back to observe, only four words
into the piece.

Where Birgitt picks out "Spirit disappears," I think she's on to
something.  Might make that, "When Spirit eludes me/us..." or "When Spirit
escapes..."  I guess I like the latter.  It fits better with Ending.  And
it sparks us to some wondering about where it might go "to" in those
moments when it seems to disappear.

A couple other small word things... "It is true, multiple words..." didn't
capture how many words... maybe "While many words are spoken..." or "A
multitude of words might be spoken..."  And in the opening of the next
paragraph, I'd say "This "strange event"..." rather than "The..."

I appreciate Birgitt's thought about ending with the "warning" paragraph,
and "be careful."  It works both ways, but differently.  I think it's a
stronger ending than what you have, but I do think it works best where you
have it.  Which leads me to wonder what I might be missing in the last
line(s).

Ending as you have, you invite people to enjoy and share the story, but I
think you could go further.  You could invite readers to  "Please enjoy,
make it your own, and pass it along.  We are all storytellers now, [always
have been and always will be].  Good luck!  And keep your Spirit up!
[That's what this book is about.]"  Or something like that, something in
the spirit of "anyone with a good head and good heart."  The funny thing
about your story is that it doesn't go on because people share it... it
goes on because people step up and share their own story, inside of or
extending from, yours.

When you're satisfied that it's done, would it be appropriate to post this
same story (tweaked for reference to "this book") atop all of your writings
at openspaceworld.com?

Thanks,

Michael

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 7:06 PM Birgitt Williams via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear Harrison,
> as always, your writing is inspiring. You asked for feedback and here is
> what would make this preface writing work better for me. It is all of
> course fine as it is. However, if you were to take the beginning sentences
> and put them at the end in exactly the order that you wrote them. This
> would leave the ending of the preface with the words 'be careful', a phrase
> sure to get the pages turning. Or is it only me that would turn those pages
> when admonished to 'be careful' as it would peak my curiosity. Can you
> picture a strengthening of your message? the sentences I am referring to
> are:
>
> "I am a story teller.
>
>
>
> To be truthful, I was trained as an academician, but I came to a startling
> recognition: *Nobody was ever moved by facts, figures, and footnotes.  A
> good story, however, will move Spirit and minds.*
>
>
>
> I should warn you of what you already know: Storytellers have a very light
> regard for the truth, as in “The facts of the matter,” and “What actually
> happened”  However, if the story is a good one, The Truth will pop out,
> which is what makes a story good  – one that you will remember ... and may
> change your life. Be careful."
>
>
> aI don't believe Spirit disappears. it is constant. Our sense of Spirit
> disappearing can be strong, especially when there are endings. I love when
> you say that endings are also the work of Spirit. I would prefer that the
> words about Spirit disappearing are changed. The constant of Spirit, life
> force, present always, accessible always, is essential for Open Space
> Technology to work.
>
>
> with love and blessings,
>
> Birgitt
>
>
>
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> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 4:37 PM Harrison Owen SR via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Audrey Hepburn, a Young Chinese lady (that really is her name!)  tells me
>> that she is going to publish some of 

Re: [OSList] Space invaders and using your two feet

[Michael Herman via OSList]

I think that’s the law of gravitas you’re defying, Paul!

⛷m



On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 23:28 paul levy  wrote:

> That's beautiful, Michael, and I can go with it
>
> Yet, mysteriously for me, in my deeper experience of my life, even the law
> of gravity feels like a kind of invitation, one which I occasionally refuse.
>
> Paul
>
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, 04:11 Michael Herman via OSList, <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> for me, it actually is a kind of law:  "you and only you know when you
>> are learning and contributing as much as you can."
>>
>> a law, as chris corrigan taught me to say, "...that's not like a speed
>> limit, but more like the law of gravity.  defy it at your own risk!"
>>
>> having pointed this out in an opening circle, i then suggest that
>> everyone in circle has the same job, the right AND the responsibility, to
>> use their two feet and/or whatever else they use to get around, to go
>> wherever they need to, to maximize their own learning and contribution.
>>
>> in the end we don't care if they move... what we want is highest learning
>> and highest contribution.
>>
>> for me, in open space, personal passion/freedom is always
>> bounded/informed by responsibility/contribution to the whole.
>>
>> i think our pulsation between these apparent opposites, passion and
>> responsibility, learning and contributing, me and us, past and future, and
>> so on... is what drives it all.  we can't get stuck.  we have to keep
>> moving.  each of us, for all of us.
>>
>> learning and practicing this kind of pulsation, between apparent
>> opposites, is for me the most important thing we invite in open space.
>> it's in the going back and forth that strengthens us.
>>
>> michael
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 12:49 PM paul levy via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't called it a law in years.
>>>
>>> That is because it isn't a law. It is an eternal invitation.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022, 16:08 Bhavesh Patel via OSList, <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Michael, always appreciate the time you take to write longer
>>>> emails and share stories.
>>>>
>>>> The way you intro the Law is pretty much exactly how I do it as well,
>>>> using almost the same language. That for me still involves using my freedom
>>>> to take responsibility for my learning, contribution, productivity, and
>>>> where that is going to happen or not going to happen, at the same time
>>>> never fully knowing and always responding to all that is happening within,
>>>> between, and among... self-organisation, or as Morin says
>>>> eco-self-organsation!
>>>>
>>>> I also have a very similar approach to space invaders, and have rarely
>>>> encountered one. There was one time when a person twice the size of me, a
>>>> former head of a big brand, took the mic for me and told everyone to stop
>>>> putting up topics on the second morning, because he had done a full
>>>> analysis of day 01 and could now tell us what we needed to do. I told him
>>>> that was great and kindly asked him to write it up and stick it up, but he
>>>> held on to the mic and repeated that this was not necessary and now we all
>>>> needed to listen to him and... there was a stand-off with both of us
>>>> holding the mic, until one of his peers asked him to let the facilitator do
>>>> his job, he backed off, and guess what, not many came to his session, 
>>>> and...
>>>>
>>>> I have also used the walk out approach when nothing was happening, on
>>>> reflection I think I needed to leave the room for that group to truly
>>>> believe the power is in their hands to post topics!
>>>>
>>>> I guess what I was trying to think about was what to do when someone is
>>>> clearly speaking in a way that is offensive to others... people can use
>>>> their two feet, the facilitator can also walk out of the room, what else is
>>>> there... I don't think OST = anything and everything is ok... so I was
>>>> reflecting on that... not sure if I am making sense to anyone???
>>>&

Re: [OSList] Space invaders and using your two feet

[Michael Herman via OSList]

for me, it actually is a kind of law:  "you and only you know when you are
learning and contributing as much as you can."

a law, as chris corrigan taught me to say, "...that's not like a speed
limit, but more like the law of gravity.  defy it at your own risk!"

having pointed this out in an opening circle, i then suggest that everyone
in circle has the same job, the right AND the responsibility, to use their
two feet and/or whatever else they use to get around, to go wherever they
need to, to maximize their own learning and contribution.

in the end we don't care if they move... what we want is highest learning
and highest contribution.

for me, in open space, personal passion/freedom is always bounded/informed
by responsibility/contribution to the whole.

i think our pulsation between these apparent opposites, passion and
responsibility, learning and contributing, me and us, past and future, and
so on... is what drives it all.  we can't get stuck.  we have to keep
moving.  each of us, for all of us.

learning and practicing this kind of pulsation, between apparent opposites,
is for me the most important thing we invite in open space.  it's in the
going back and forth that strengthens us.

michael


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On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 12:49 PM paul levy via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> I haven't called it a law in years.
>
> That is because it isn't a law. It is an eternal invitation.
>
> Paul
>
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022, 16:08 Bhavesh Patel via OSList, <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Michael, always appreciate the time you take to write longer
>> emails and share stories.
>>
>> The way you intro the Law is pretty much exactly how I do it as well,
>> using almost the same language. That for me still involves using my freedom
>> to take responsibility for my learning, contribution, productivity, and
>> where that is going to happen or not going to happen, at the same time
>> never fully knowing and always responding to all that is happening within,
>> between, and among... self-organisation, or as Morin says
>> eco-self-organsation!
>>
>> I also have a very similar approach to space invaders, and have rarely
>> encountered one. There was one time when a person twice the size of me, a
>> former head of a big brand, took the mic for me and told everyone to stop
>> putting up topics on the second morning, because he had done a full
>> analysis of day 01 and could now tell us what we needed to do. I told him
>> that was great and kindly asked him to write it up and stick it up, but he
>> held on to the mic and repeated that this was not necessary and now we all
>> needed to listen to him and... there was a stand-off with both of us
>> holding the mic, until one of his peers asked him to let the facilitator do
>> his job, he backed off, and guess what, not many came to his session, and...
>>
>> I have also used the walk out approach when nothing was happening, on
>> reflection I think I needed to leave the room for that group to truly
>> believe the power is in their hands to post topics!
>>
>> I guess what I was trying to think about was what to do when someone is
>> clearly speaking in a way that is offensive to others... people can use
>> their two feet, the facilitator can also walk out of the room, what else is
>> there... I don't think OST = anything and everything is ok... so I was
>> reflecting on that... not sure if I am making sense to anyone???
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 at 12:41, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Bhavesh,
>>>
>>> The Law of Two Feet (this is, of course, no Law but tongue of cheeck
>>> speak of the Man with the Hat) has not felt to me as a reminder to be
>>> responsible for where I want to be.
>>> In my intro to the process I say in the role of facilitator: "And here",
>>> pointing to the large poster on the wall of the space or on a large
>>> pinboard on the edge of the outer circle or floating above the crowd of
>>> 2108 supported by large balloons, have a look here
>>> >
>>> https://openspaceworldscape.org/events/165-jetzt-meine-leidenschaft-meine-verantwortung-ueber-die-tagung-hinaus-now-my-passion-my-responsibility-beyond-the-conference
>>>
>>> "is the Law of Two Feet which has to be utterly adhered to as it is a
>>> LAW:
>>> I honor a group with my absence if I neither learn nor contribute
>>> something. If I am learning something I stay, if I am contributindg
>>> something I also stay.
>>> But if neither, then I'll do the group and especially myself the favor
>>> of taking my feet... ", and here I imitate the Man by looking at my feet
>>> for 3 seconds lift them and run a short distance in front of the
>>> assembled crowd... continuing:"... and move to a space which is more
>>> productive for me... or to take a nap." (At this point folks usually
>>> laugh out loud, 

Re: [OSList] What could dialogue look like between people of Russia and people of the West?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

I know that this scale of dialogue is what Qiqo was originally built for,
Lucas.  So I'm glad to see you asking this question.  I wonder if the folks
at helena.org would appreciate it.  They did a small-sample program
"American in One Room," a weekend gathering, folks flown in from all 50
states, as I recall, in conjunction with the NYTimes and some folks at U of
Chicago.

Michael

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On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 10:35 AM Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
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> Dear OSLIST,
>
>
> Does anyone want to try opening up some dialogue channels between the
> people of Russia and the people of the West?  It's way too late to affect
> the current situation in Ukraine, but dialogue could be helpful for the
> long term.
>
>
> I believe that if the people speak with each other directly
> and (eventually) on a large enough scale, then there is a strong chance for
> understanding to be built, less us-vs.-them thinking, and that would give
> political leaders flexibility to choose options other than war to solve big
> problems.
>
>
> It doesn't look like many are doing anything like this yet.  With a quick
> Google search I could only find the Carnegie Moscow Center
> 
>  as
> an organization interested in a participatory US-Russia dialogue.
>
>
> Assuming there was an unlimited budget, how could a dialogue be designed?
> Is anyone interested in working on something like this?
>
>
> Lucas Cioffi
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Re: [OSList] Add proceedings link for 2019 WOSonOS?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

thanks, all.  proceedings link is added.  and i've updated the teaser for
28th annual to 2022 in berlin, in hopes that will still happen.


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On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 11:55 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> This came up recently on the OSList. Did not realize the link wasn't there.
>
> Would you add the link to the 2019 WOSonOS proceedings to the
> https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/osonos/ page?
>
> They are at https://osius.org/wosonos2019proceedings
>
> Thanks!
> Harold
>
> On 10/10/21 11:53 AM, Harold Shinsato wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> I published and announced the proceedings to the OSList on March 11, 2020.
> They were published to the Open Space Institute-US's website.
>
> https://osius.org/wosonos2019proceedings
>
> A different Michael, Michael Herman, manages the openspaceworld.org
> website (as well as helping with the OSList email platform). I'll ask him
> to add the link there.
>
> It is a very dear hope of mine to return to Berlin for the postponed next
> WOSonOS. If the fates allow!
>
> Harold
>
> On 9/23/21 9:33 AM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList wrote:
>
>
> Dear Eleder,
>
> to your PS: I checked
>
> https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/osonos/
>
>
> and see that WOSonOS 2019 (the 27th of its kind) is listed there but there
> is no link to the Book of Proceedings... Barry Owen and the Open Spacce
> Institute US sponsored the event near Washington DC.
> I guess Barry would have a hint on where to find it.
> Barry is on this list.
> Hi, Barry!
>
> If I remember right, the Berliners still want to have the 2020 event which
> could not take place because of Covid in Berlin in 2022.
>
> I will cc the 2020 Team.
>
> cheers and enjoy the Basque Beans!
> mmp
>
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[OSList] Fwd: OpenSpaceWorld.ORG "Open Space facilitator, Training Non-Profit"

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Who can help with facilitator training in Cape Town?  Please contact
Jacques directly...

Thanks, Michael


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From: Jacques Joubert 
Subject: Open Space facilitator, Training Non-Profit

Location: Cape Town, South Africa

Message Body:
Hi is there someone in Cape Town that can assist us with Open Space
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Re: [OSList] title for a one hour workshop?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

The phrases mentioned so far seem to make a distinction between
me/facilitator and space.  Here's an alternative:

One participant came to me right after the opening, as first sessions were
getting underway.  She wanted to know, "what were you doing at the edge of
the circle, before you stepped in and started walking around?"
"What did it look like i was doing, from the outside?"
"Being space."
"That's what it felt like on the inside, too."

Would "Being Space" fit your intentions for this session and your
experience facilitating?

m

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On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:29 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Perhaps "Where to Stand in Space" or in the form of a question "Where to
> Stand in Space?"
> : )
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 9:56 AM Funda Oral  wrote:
>
>> Jeff, thanks, I just wanted to make the title shorter, otherwise I can
>> use it.
>>
>> 28 Tem 2021 Çar 18:44 tarihinde Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> şunu yazdı:
>>
>>> Hi Funda. Cool idea. Why not use what you already wrote? I am curious.
>>> *"Where does the Facilitator Stand in Space?"*
>>>
>>> Also, three words from Harrison come to mind. To be shaped into a title
>>> that might feel like an intriguing question.
>>>
>>> "Present and invisible"
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Jeff
>>> Telegraph Hill
>>> Yelamu - San Francisco
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:49 AM Funda Oral via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
 Hello everyone,

 I will run a one hour workshop at the Facilitators' Summit of the
 International Facilitators Association in October.
 I wanted to discuss

 *"Where does the Facilitator Stand in Space?"*

 In fact I would like to introduce the idea of not being afraid of *"asking
 questions" *to open space and spaces,
 facilitating the divergence phase and moving to convergence properly,
 giving and holding necessary time and space for these.

 In the meantime, I would like to discuss with the participants where
 the facilitator should stand? *how much space*
 *should she/he must have, occupy? *

 I appreciate any ideas/suggestions for a short title of the workshop?

 Thanks in advance,
 Funda Oral





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Re: [OSList] doubt about how to begin OS

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Here's another way to think about it, Arantxa... Imagine for a moment that
you have this large or small crowd gathered and they've all politely seated
themselves in some sort of circle.  Your question is where to go, how to
act, how to relate to them...  So I ask you, what would you do if you knew
that there was lots of ice cream and treats to sprinkle and drizzle on top
of it, all set up and ready in the middle of the circle?  Would you smile?
Would they smile back?  Would you enjoy telling them about the various
options and possibilities that had been arranged?  Would you enjoy holding
them, locked in their seats, for just an extra few minutes, heightening the
anticipation, maybe digressing a little bit on a tangent about
the history of sundaes, or teasing the list of ingredients?  And when you
were done explaining, ready to let them run for the bowls, where would you
be?  Probably at the center, pointing to it, welcoming them to come.  And
then where do you go?  Out of the way!  While it's true that some healthy
eaters might not get too excited about this ice cream business, they'll
likely perk up when they notice the fruit and nut toppings.  By and by,
most everyone will discover something delicious in the center of your
circle.  So your job is to walk into that crowd knowing that something cool
is coming up soon.  Have fun giving it away!



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On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 2:04 PM Harrison Owen SR via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Welcome to the circle!  And to the millions of folks who have shown up
> before. Including the several who have spoken so elequently of their
> experience (Peggy, Chris, Michael...) Walking the circle ( or as it is ofen
> called)* bounding *the circle is a very ancient artifact of human
> society. We didn't invent it, but it is surely nice to remember it. Enjoy
> yourself. Great Space!
>
> Harrison
>
> On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 1:08 PM Peggy Holman via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Arantxa,
>>
>> Like my long time friends, Chris and Michael, and as Harrison first
>> suggested, I, too, walk the circle. And have been since 1996. I don’t have
>> much to add to what Chris and Michael have already said, but I’m writing,
>> so I guess I have something to say. :-)
>>
>> I slowly walk the circle speaking as I do. Just once around before I stop
>> on the rim. After that, I move occasionally if I my intuition tells me to
>> do so.
>>
>> I notice as I walk that the energy of the space changes. It is as if the
>> connections among us become clearer to all. Harrison called it the shaman’s
>> walk. He said is done at the pace of your heartbeat. Slow and steady, about
>> 60 beats per minute, I seem to recall.
>>
>> I often think of Open Space as the exquisite mix of yin and yang,
>> masculine and feminine. Walking the circle evokes the yin energy of
>> relationship. Speaking the question/theme calls in the directional energy
>> of yang. Together they move us towards each other and into our creative
>> potential.
>>
>>
>> Welcome to the journey!
>>
>> Best of success to you,
>> Peggy
>>
>>
>> 
>> Peggy Holman
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>> 15347 SE 49th Place
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>> Twitter: @peggyholman
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>>
>> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into
>> Opportunity 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 8:23 AM, Chris Corrigan via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yes. I walk the circle. I greet people, look at them, talk about their
>> invitation and encourage them that this is the time they have wanted to
>> talk about thi BC s important to them. Then I very simply explain the
>> instructions and invite them to make their agenda. And then I walk out and
>> let them get to work.
>>
>> Trust the people. If the issue is important for them they will make the
>> conversations they need to have.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 3:37 AM arantxa hergueta bravo via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi to you all!
>>>
>>> May name is Arantxa. I´m new here, and I´m new in Open Space too. In a
>>> few days I will facilitate my first OS and to do so I´ve been doing some
>>> reading and talking with a friend, who knows very well the whole process.
>>>
>>> I´ve got a bunch of doubts, but want to share one specially with you. If
>>> someone wants to share her/his experience or ideas It´ll be terrific. I´ll
>>> try to explain it. It´s been years that I don´t write in English,
>>> so…lets´see!
>>>
>>> My friend has told me, once the “event” promoter has made a
>>> presentation, he comes from outside the participants circle, invites
>>> everybody to breathe, look each other and so, and, then, he comes 

Re: [OSList] OpenSpaceWorld.ORG "Process concept and assistance needed"

[Michael Herman via OSList]

> Hi Lucas, thanks for your message. Forwarding to the oslist.
> Openspaceworld.org/oslist
>
> OSLISTers, who can help Lucas?  Email him directly -he’s not on the list
> here.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 07:17 Lucas  wrote:
>
>> From: Lucas 
>> Subject: Process concept and assistance needed
>>
>> Location: Salzburg
>>
>> Message Body:
>> Dear Michael,
>>
>> the project LIFEstockProtect is planning a stakeholder involvement
>> process in Bavaria, Austria and South Tyrol over the course of 2 years. For
>> this we are looking for facilitators in the area who have experience in
>> nature-human or wildlife-human conflicts.
>>
>> Your help finding potential facilitators would be much appreciated :)
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Lucas Ende
>>
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Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3

[Michael Herman via OSList]

i like this distinction you make about holding and building, steve.  i find
that working online requires me to be more active than i like in "shaping"
the space.  i much prefer to set the chairs and be done with the shaping in
a physical gathering.

i completely agree that online is not the factor that would make for less
impact.  look at reddit and the impact some there, meeting and talking
online, have had on financial markets recently, in the US, anyway.  big
impact!

the thing that's different for me online is transactions cost.  it's way
easier to click in than to board an airplane or even drive across town to a
meeting.  and it's easier to leave.  it's harder to focus.  i think this
dilutes passion.  it's a drag for everyone.  which means it's even more
important to be talking about something that's REALLY important.  that, to
me, is the challenge.

and... if that means narrowing the topic, maybe what would previously have
been one big os meeting becomes a series of smaller/shorter and more
focused sessions.  ongoing os, even.

in agile terms, i guess what i'm saying is we have to be more focused than
ever on desired outcomes, over just producing the familiar outputs.



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On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 10:38 AM Steve Holyer via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Thomas wrote, "I am curious about the assumption that online open space
> has less of an impact than physical open space."
>
> It’s a fair assumption I think. In my experience many online meetups of
> the last year—including online Open Spaces—have been just kinda m’eh.
> They’ve definitely lacked the impact I wanted.
>
> But not all of them had reduced impact. Some online meetups and open
> spaces had increased impact, and even where impact was lacking we’ve been
> learning how to create or hold space for more impact next time.
>
> I don’t think that holding Open Space online is what creates reduced
> impact.
>
> I believe, it’s the way we think about online meetups (including Open
> Space) that’s limiting.
>
> I still believe we’ve only scratched the surface of what is possible with
> online Open Space.
>
> I’m also more and more convinced that what we are learning about holding
> space for Open Space online is one key to creating more impact for many
> different events online—especially when the "meeting" itself is not "open
> space".
>
> I keep finding that the principles of open space are teaching me a lot
> about facilitating other events online—even when those events are not using
> OST to engage the outcomes.
>
> One thing about online Open Space that’s significantly different to me is
> that I’m not only "holding space", I’m also "building" space.
>
> In the physical open space someone has already built the physical space
> (and manufactured chairs, and painted the walls etc). As a facilitator I
> work with the sponsor to find a physical space (where possible) that’s open
> and inviting and "fits" the invitation they’re making to the open space.
> But how lucky we were to walk into a space that was already built. We
> "just" had to put the chairs in a circle. (Note: I’m smiling when I say
> "just".)
>
> I believe online the OS facilitator is part of building the "space" that
> people will enter virtually before you hold it for them. Key to building
> online space for impact simplicity, invitation and welcoming emergence are
> keys building space for impact (like with the facilitator’s script for
> "opening" the circle).
>
> (This is also topical for me. By complete coincidence, I’m hosting a
> couple of free meetups on this in the next few days — 6PM for folks in
> Berlin/Zurich and Noon for folks in NYC. If there’s interest here I can
> post the links. Can also potentially add a meetup that’s more comfortable
> for people in timezones to the East of me—where it’s later.)
>
> On 15 May 2021, at 9:11, Thomas Herrmann via OSList wrote:
>
> I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an
> impact than physical open space. Any more thoughts around that, anyone?
> Wishing all open spacers a grand weekend
> Thomas
>
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> Re: virtual open space facilitator
>
> Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of faciltators to
> the sponsor of the event.
> It is an awakening for me to realize the impact covid had on group events
> and it's future. Sponsors seem to accept the reduced impact as it also
> reduces the (travelling) cost significantly.
>
>
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> wrote:
> >
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Re: [OSList] Asking for your wisdom - Leora Tushinski

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Leora, I'm reminded here of the frequently asked question, in open space,
on day one, just before lunch... when the sponsoring leader has seen it all
work out, the gathering, the agenda creation, the breakouts, the
note-taking... and then, the next big hurdle is LUNCH.  the buffet is ready
and waiting.  the leader comes to me and says, "lunch is ready, shouldn't i
go around and let people know?"  And my answer is always the same:  "if you
have to do anything, it will be enough to grab a sandwich and walk through
the space chewing."  To Harrison and Elwin's point, everything gets easier
in open space.  A little bit of invitation can go a long way, I would say,
because the people are already hungry for good things to happen.  Michael

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 12:31 PM Elwin and Joan via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Leora,
>
> My 30 years in Open Space tells me your ONLY MANAGEMENT role is creating
> the INVITATION. Full Stop!
> All else is as Harrison has stated.
>
> eg
>
> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 09:43:25 AM EST, Harrison Owen SR via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>
> Leora -- My very best to Tova! Holding the tension is a loosing game..
> Just open some space and if the people really care, they will get amazing
> things accomplished with no intervention or supervision. Ask Tova about our
> time together in Rome with 50 Palestinians and Israelis who were mostly
> security types. At the start I remember standing behind two gentlemen I
> didn't know. One said to the other, "This is really weird -- we are in
> business to kill each other." Try it. Amazing things do happen.
>
> Harrison
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 9:34 AM David Osborne via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Interesting question Leona.
>
> My answer is more about the principles of self-organization underneath
> openspace (that I learned from Harrison over lunches and a cocktail or two
> at the Glenn Echo Inn) than open space methodology.  Open space requires
> something to be urgent and important.otherwise people won't care and
> they won't show up and invest in it. I think as a manager part of your role
> is defining what's important to the organization and why in a way that
> people care. and want to contribute this sets the direction for your
> team or group. The urgent important issue is like the camp fire that you
> can then invite people to gather around and discuss.it is your role as
> manager to make the environment inclusive and safe for people to gather and
> share their views and ideas openly until insight emerges about the
> situation itself and what to do about it.   The energy and motivation to
> act will naturally arise at this point and you can help the group stay
> connected and share information about progress and what's working and
> what's not.  It's all self-organizing or emergent change. Where Harrison
> and I differed and I'm still exploring his view is whether we need to do
> anything at all or whether it will all happen by itself.   My view has been
> that I care too, and I want to do something. I am part of the emergence. Is
> my role necessary no. But without it something different will emerge.
> Systems are always moving toward fragmentation or cohesion and your role as
> manager will make a huge difference in which way they are headed.
>
> Thanks for your question, and my best to all.
>
> David
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> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 6:13 AM leora tushinski via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> This is my first time in the OSList and I am writing to ask for the wisdom
> I am sure is held in this group.
>
> My name is Leora and I'm a student of "Dialogic interventions in Large
> group" , held by Tova Averbuch and Rotem Ofer.
>
> As a manager I have a challenge (and maybe a fear): wondering how to
> "hold" the tension between the "freedom" in the OS method,   and
> “purposefulness” needed in most of the processes .
>
> How can we expect to get to "bottom lines" (get the work done) when we
> depend only on the people who come, and what they decide…?
>
>   And more, how can we avoid   the "loose" rules   lead to "anarchy",
> especially in complex environment?
>
> I will appreciate your time, attention and wisdom
>
> Thank you
>
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Re: [OSList] Purpose

[Michael Herman via OSList]

websites of Open Space Technology
> practitioners, stories, poetry, training opportunities, conference
> information and more.
>
> 9. What is OSonOS?
>
> OSonOS stands for “Open Space on Open Space.”  It is an annual event
> that gathers together 150 or so Open Space Technology practitioners to
> spend two or more days discussing issues related to the practice of Open
> Space Technology.
>
> The next OSonOS (OSonOSinOZ) will be held in Melbourne, Australia,
> November 9-12, 2002.  More information about that event can be found at
> http://www.openspaceworld.org/osonos.html along with links to the
> proceedings of previous OSonOS events.
>
> 10. Does the OSLIST really have a Poet Laureate?
>
> Of course!  The title of OSLIST Poet Laureate is awarded to the winner
> of the Biannual OSLIST Restricted Form Poetry Contest.  Anyone may enter
> this contest, and all list members have an opportunity to vote for the
> winner.  The winner is responsible for organizing the next contest.  The
> current OSLIST Poet Laureate is Laurel Doersam, Renaissance Woman.
>
>
> Updated February 28, 2002
> Please email any additions or changes to Chris Corrigan
> ch...@chriscorrigan.com
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> On Jan 28, 2021, at 11:00 PM, Michael Herman via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> try openspaceworld.org/oslist for purpose and guide.
>
> the oslist has been unmoderated since it began in 1996.
>
> there have been three admins.  murli nagasundaram was a prof at boise
> state university and got the list started, hosted by the university.  when
> he left the uni, our list was one of the biggest and most active in the
> whole uni.  respecting that, they let me continue as moderator-in-fact,
> with an IT staff member listed as the nominal admin.  fact is, there was
> hardly anything to do, except dogging the occasional repeating echo of a
> vacation autoresponder.
>
> when bsu finally asked us to move on, harold created the current instance
> of the list, saving all of the archives, and has done all the real admin
> work bsu used to do for us.
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> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:57 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>> Hello Colleagues,
>>
>> What is the Purpose of this Open Space Technology email list?
>>
>> Stay Safe and Well,
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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Michael Herman via OSList]

before you run off, steve... have you seen openspaceworld.org/oslist?
anything there strike you as more important or useful than the rest, for
the purpose you've framed, video or otherwise?
m

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On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:32 AM Steve Holyer via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Yep. This OSList works for me. Adding my thanks to the past moderators,
> the contributors, and Harold.
>
> And I’m glad the openness is in keeping with this community. I wouldn’t
> change it.
>
> And I was online back in the 80s and for sure then 90s when listservs were
> all the rage.
>
> i wonder if the retro look and feel and operation of a mailing list is
> something of a barrier to entry for folks who never participated in a
> listserv discussion—or who prefer a new fangled something or other? I
> wouldn’t change it, but could we find a welcoming (and open) way to invite
> more people? I don’t know what that is. Maybe just a youtube video on how
> to connect with the community via the mailing list. (Even having Harrison’s
> response on the history and openness of the list helps me connect to the
> list and not be put off by it. I appreciate it more after reading this
> thread, and I appreciate it before. So maybe just a way to to pin Harrisons
> words to the signup and archive page would be useful. I think just pinning
> a long threaded list of messages to include this whole thread wouldn’t
> really speak to the people who might be put off by long list of mails in a
> thread already :D — but a summary, or a video with some choice quotes could
> be helpful! ;)
>
> I’m not passionate enough about this issue to be the person to find an
> answer. (Or is it not responsible enough to stick around on this question.)
> Don’t want to put more load on Harold either.
>
> And I think this is a question worth asking at least, to see how it’s
> answered.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
>
> On 29 Jan 2021, at 17:59, Tony Budak via OSList wrote:
>
> No Not antiquated. I could not agree more with Harrison. This is a very
> effective list serve. Thank you again, Harrison.
>
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
> On 1/29/2021 11:53 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:
> Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated bulletin board. And for sure
> it doesn't exist in 4 colors/touch screen. BUT it has probably existed as
> long or longer than any competitors, is searchable, carries the
> thinking/sweat/arguments of those who discovered living in Open Space (that
> would be 1000's) and Harold (the most recent curator) has done a marvelous
> job. Thanks. Could it be better? Sure... but it has worked for ?
> (20??)years! And please don't fix it if it ain't broke...
>
> ho
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I could do better.
> Thank you as well for helping out with the admin work for the OSList.
>
> I couldn't see an easy way to see the count via the Archives. But looking
> at my own stash of the emails, I counted 42.9k messages since the first one
> in December of 1996 back in the old Boise State University LISTSERV (
> osl...@idbsu.idbsu.edu) days.
>
> Harold
>
> On 1/28/21 4:48 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
> Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the list still
> exists in this open, free, independent way.
>
> And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how many messages
> have we posted here so far?
>
> Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools, folks. Harold
> has managed this so that we still have and can search every message ever
> sent through the list. Amazing!
>
> I know we passed 3 some time ago but couldn’t guess what the total is
> now. I can’t figure where to look it up anymore. Do you have that number,
> Harold?
>
> Thanks, Michael
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:
> Thank you Harold,
> I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and the
> independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that
> supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also to
> those who preceded you.
>
> A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow
> threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org. Every post
> gets placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When something
> that is posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the archi

Re: [OSList] Purpose

[Michael Herman via OSList]

try openspaceworld.org/oslist for purpose and guide.

the oslist has been unmoderated since it began in 1996.

there have been three admins.  murli nagasundaram was a prof at boise state
university and got the list started, hosted by the university.  when he
left the uni, our list was one of the biggest and most active in the whole
uni.  respecting that, they let me continue as moderator-in-fact, with an
IT staff member listed as the nominal admin.  fact is, there was hardly
anything to do, except dogging the occasional repeating echo of a vacation
autoresponder.

when bsu finally asked us to move on, harold created the current instance
of the list, saving all of the archives, and has done all the real admin
work bsu used to do for us.


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On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:57 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hello Colleagues,
>
> What is the Purpose of this Open Space Technology email list?
>
> Stay Safe and Well,
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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the list still
exists in this open, free, independent way.

And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how many messages
have we posted here so far?

Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools, folks. Harold has
managed this so that we still have and can search every message ever sent
through the list. Amazing!

I know we passed 3 some time ago but couldn’t guess what the total is
now.  I can’t figure where to look it up anymore. Do you have that number,
Harold?

Thanks, Michael



On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Thank you Harold,
> I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and the
> independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that
> supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also to
> those who preceded you.
>
> A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow
> threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org. Every post
> gets placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When something
> that is posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the archives to
> see what I may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by topic
> access what has been discussed in relation to the topic over the years.
>
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> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:24 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> The software we use is version 2.1.23 of GNU MailMan, which is an open
>> source email distribution list management platform. Our MailMan service is
>> provided for free by DreamHost.com, who also provides free webhosting
>> service to the Open Space Institute - U.S. DreamHost.com has been a great
>> company, and they offer free webhosting to 501(c)(3) non-profits.
>>
>> I agree that the MailMan needs an major upgrade. An upgrade is not
>> something offered by DreamHost, though I can install it on the DreamHost
>> servers. But I hope no one thinks we are back in the "stone ages", or "when
>> the internet was first invented". I treasure your passion for truth, but I
>> don't like being disrespected or dishonored, especially with falsehoods.
>> Here are the facts.
>>
>> 1) The date of the invention of the internet is somewhat fuzzy, but the
>> real guy who invented the internet (standing on the shoulders of many
>> others) was Vinton Cerf, who designed the TCP/IP protocols in the 1970's.
>> TCP/IP was accepted as the ARPANET protocol in 1983.
>>
>> 2) Version 2.1.23 GNU MailMan is relatively old, released in August 2016.
>> The latest 2.x version is 2.1.34 released in June of 2020. But it just
>> minor issues. I'd like to update to version 3.3.2 (Nov 6, 2020). which has
>> a more modern interface.
>>
>> 3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to look
>> very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to use their
>> own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a website, download an
>> app to their phones, etc.
>>
>> 4) There are other closed platforms we could use. (Like GoogleGroups,
>> Groups.IO, etc. etc.). These platforms do have their own community
>> standards, and they do forbid certain conversations. I don't think that is
>> appropriate for the main Open Space online conversation. I hope we can stay
>> independent.
>>
>> Mark - I am valuing your feedback. We do need a major upgrade, for
>> multiple reasons beyond your personal experience of the formatting (which I
>> have explained how you can fix in an earlier email). But I don't think you
>> are being fair or accurate.
>>
>> Harold
>>
>> On 1/27/21 6:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
>>
>> It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform
>> started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch
>> up with a workable format.  This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for
>> your consideration,
>> Mark Carmel
>>
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Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in my Mach Mail programme

[Michael Herman via OSList]

holding a space big enough for the oslist requires really GIANT naps.
expect, and celebrate, apparent delays!


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On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 8:30 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi Romy, Anne,
>
> I don't use, nor do I recommend the "Digest" format. You can change that
> if you scroll to the bottom of every email from the OSList and manage your
> subscription. You might need to reset your password if you have forgotten
> it.
>
> I know it means less email traffic in your inbox if you receive the
> "Digest" format, but it makes it really hard for the rest of us to know
> when you reply what email you are replying to. And the digest format will
> not be in the nice format like you want. I don't have the capacity to write
> another group email program to fix that.
>
> Threads are a feature of your email reading program. I can turn on threads
> for my Thunderbird. By default the GMail app lists things by conversations,
> as do many others. But GMail doesn't do that if you use the GNU MailMan
> Digest feature - which jams a whole bunch of OSList emails into a single
> email. And you can't change how MailMan does the jamming.
>
> Hope that makes sense. And my profuse apologies for not being an active
> moderator or manager of the OSList, and that I don't reply quickly to
> requests. Sometimes I don't even see them. Many many apologies! There is a
> big chunk of work on my plate for the OSList to upgrade us to the latest
> version which should solve several problems, though I don't think it will
> solve the "Digest" problem. I'm hoping all of us can self-manage most of
> the other needs.
>
> Harold
>
> On 1/26/21 3:14 AM, Romy Shovelton via OSList wrote:
>
> Hello Harold,
>
> It was SO lovely to see you and be with you at the weekend. The person who
> is behind so much work to keep us all in touch via the OSLIST… and with us
> once again, helping with all sorts of technical magic. Thanks again.
>
> I wonder if you might be able to help me with the way that the OSLIST
> arrives into my Mach Mail programme? As you see below…. I receive this list
> with duplicates of conversations through it + lots of other general stuff…
> making it hard to pick out the thread of a conversation.
>
> Suzanne showed me how she receives OSLIST in her gmail account - in
> wonderfully clear threads, where you can see responses to a particular
> posting, and not extraneous bla bla. I tried logging into gmail, rather
> than my Mach Mail programme, and unfortunately did not receive the OSLIST
> in the way that Suzanne does.
>
> Do you have any clues about what I might do?
>
> Thanks again SO much
>
> Romy
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Re: [OSList] Open Space in Zoom times......

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Great call, Romy!  I’m in too.  And just one time zone click from Chris and
Peggy.  Sooner the better, for me.  Planning some more meetings now.
Michael


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> Lovely to see you here Romy!
>
> I’m game to be in a conversation. Since I’m in the same time zone as
> Chris, though across a border, if the time works for him, it works for me.
>
> I’ve just used Zoom and Google docs for the breakout spaces. You can see
> an example from a gathering on journalism education that matters
>  that was
> turned into a website after the convening. The session notes were once
> Google docs.
>
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> On Jan 10, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Chris Corrigan via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> If the time zones work, I’d be interested. My crew is doing OST events
> with Zoom and Miro (and Google Slides) and we could share some stories.
>
> It works far better than I would have expected.
>
>  Chris
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 4:59 AM Romy Shovelton via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello lovely OS world and extended family….
>>
>> Apologies for being absent for SO long….. I lurk occasionally and enJOY
>> seeing you there, sharing wisdom so brilliantly and inspiringly. Thank you.
>>
>> Seeing Funda’s posting…. I would LOVE to have a conversation (dare I say
>> Zoom ?!!) with OS people about how to make OS the best it possibly can be
>> in an online world. I know that Phelim and the Improbable crew have done
>> some online work. If anyone might be interested in talking about such
>> things, I would love it….
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Romy
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Re: [OSList] Are we bugged?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

harold, would it help to nix the footer with all the links in favor of a
single link to a page at osw or osi-us?

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On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 1:44 PM doug via OSList <
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> Harold--
>
> If anyone would have an answer it would be you! Thanks for checking into
> this for us all, Harold!
>
> :- Doug.
>
> On 10/31/20 12:34 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote:
> > Hi Doug,
> >
> > I'm having severe problems with Google mail, and I no longer trust
> > Google (for many reasons). They have at times sorted my emails into the
> > spam folder for unknown reasons. I discovered yesterday Google blocked
> > one of my shinsato.com emails, even though my har...@shinsato.com is a
> > validated email address for Gmail!!!  I am in the process of
> > disconnecting from Google, which is painful and slow as they do have
> > excellent industry leading products. But I believe they are abusing
> > their leadership.
> >
> > Even so, Google is a behemoth that can't be ignored. My solution is not
> > a solution everyone can employ. So I will do what I can.
> >
> > Many years ago, I made the domain for the OSList a Google Verified one.
> > But they still are judging us, and it looks like the judgement is
> > getting ever worse. A couple weeks ago I added SSL to openspacetech.org,
>
> > and clearly that did not help.
> >
> > It might be that our links are not SSL links. Maybe that will help. I've
> > sent a request to DreamHost. I'll keep trying things. But I'm not sure
> > Google will be happy unless we abandon the OSList and switch to a Google
> > product.
> >
> >  Harold
> >
> > On 10/28/20 10:16 AM, doug via OSList wrote:
> >> Friends--
> >>
> >> Sounds like someone spammed the list and that got caught by the
> >> filters these services set up.
> >>
> >> Harold, is it possible it goes away on its own?
> >>
> >> :- Doug.
> >>
> >> On 10/28/20 5:15 AM, Csaba Lengyel via OSList wrote:
> >>> Also Gmail does the same thing 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sylwia Myszka-Szyszka via OSList  >>> > ezt írta (időpont: 2020.
> >>> okt. 27., K, 18:25):
> >>>
> >>> The same for me. All messages land in the SPAM folder and on the
> top
> >>> of each message there is a huge red alert, saying: This message is
> >>> dangerous. It contains a link that was used for personal data
> theft.
> >>> Do not open any links in this message and do not share your
> personal
> >>> data."
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone know what to do with it?
> >>>
> >>> Love,
> >>> Sylwia
> >>>
> >>> ___
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> niedz., 25 paź 2020 o 15:03 Harrison Owen via OSList
> >>>  napisał(a):
> >>>
> >>> My Norton goes crazy if I get near OSLIST. What's up?
> >>>
> >>> Harrison
> >
> > --
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> > http://shinsato.com
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Re: [OSList] Request for feedback - What to do when team members are afraid to call topics?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Hi Jake, I’d aim to ask questions that invite answers that can’t be
assailed by anyone, as Harrison says, “what’s working?  And how do we make
more of that?”  Not perfect, but the positive direction gives some cover.

Even better, start with the middles. Help them invite others into the work
they see as essential to getting more and better results. IF they have the
power to block, they also have the power to lead.

But don’t take sides, even theirs. Be on the side of what’s best for all,
what works for all, especially customers or other beneficiaries of the
work.

Thanks for the nod, Steve.

Michael



On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 07:22 Steve Holyer via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi Jake,
>
> Some questions
>
>- How realistic are the team’s fears (in your opinion)?
>- Would leadership retaliate against the team?
>- Why would they retaliate?
>- Which topics/questions are "safe"?
>-
>
>Which topics/questions does the team think/know bring retaliation?
>-
>
>How are the "leadership" in question working to sponsor and
>participate the event?
>-
>
>And, how are you working with them before the event?
>
> How I want to approach it…
>
> I wonder how you create the event with the sponsors in advance. And I
> wonder if you have a compelling question and invitation for every event.
>
> In your shoes I would do these things. I often see people skipping at
> least some of these things so I list everything that comes to mind, excuse
> me if you’re already doing all of them:
>
>-
>
>I would be sure the leaders are "sponsoring" each event.
>-
>
>I would want to start working with the leaders/sponsors about 2 months
>out in your scenario (as soon as you complete one event, start working on
>the next one by engaging the sponsors).
>-
>
>As usual, I would help the leaders / sponsors identify a compelling
>theme (urgent, complex/many answers not just 1, controversial/something
>that sparks passion and triggers responsibility across the teams and
>"leaders").
>-
>
>And also, I would help the leaders / sponsors craft the invitation to
>the next event clearly stating the question & clearly committing to HOW
>they will respond to the outcomes. I would ask them to make this part of a
>"written" invitation that they (the VPs) send to everyone involved in the
>event (by email engraving not required).
>
>I hope that there are no limits to what can be raised in the Open
>Space, but if there are limits (and you say people are afraid that there
>are discussions that will be punished—so yeah they perceive hard limits) I
>would ask the sponsors to clearly state what is allowed (and if you can
>swing it what is not allowed). Granted, it’s not ideal, but I believe if
>there are constraints on what’s allowed into the space, then you create
>safety by helping the sponsors name and acknowledge the constraints and
>show what they are. (Also gives you an opportunity in advance to invite
>them to be more open by pointing out how the off-limit topics close the
>space.)
>
>To balance the fear of retaliation, you give the group more
>information to organise themselves to go where it’s safe to go—and also not
>to avoid where it’s not safe. Of course, if they are avoiding key
>controversial subjects this is definitely closing space, but it’s at least
>helpful to be explicit about what’s open and what’s closed. I feel like
>you’re helping open the remaining space by asking the sponsors to clearly
>point out what is open and what is closed. (The sponsor’s must do it
>because it’s the facilitators job to hold the space open.)
>-
>
>I would ask the sponsors to be explicit about what they commit to do
>with the outcomes of the open space after the event.
>-
>
>I’ve experienced Open Space as a powerful laboratory type environment
>that helps everyone (leaders team members — all equal in the circle) to
>experience true self-organisation for the first time. (And it’s a side
>effect of using Open Space to solve real problems rather than the end goal
>in itself.) If you are doing the things above to open space and your
>organisation’s hierarchy is still interfering you may simply need to
>acknowledge that is the only thing that can happen right now.
>-
>
>If what ever happens is the only thing that could happen", then I find
>it’s usually the only thing that *must* happen. Some folks (ORSC
>coaches mainly) say "every voice is the voice of the system …" So what are
>the voices in the system telling everyone when they remain silent when it’s
>time to propose topics? They are speaking to all the participants
>(including the sponsors / leaders).
>— what does that say to your organisation about hierarchy and
>leadership
>— what else could the silent voice be saying about your system? 

[OSList] how to stop gmail from spamming your oslist mail

[Michael Herman via OSList]

hi all, i mentioned earlier that gmail's spam filter has been eating all
oslist mail.  seems this is a common problem.  here's how to fix it for
yourself:


   1. Log in to your Gmail at gmail.com.
   2. Click the gear icon in the top-right, and select See all Settings.
   3. Click the Filters and Blocked Addresses tab.
   4. Click Create at New Filter.
   5. In the pop-up window, enter the email address you want whitelisted in
   the From field.
  - NOTE: If you want a whole domain whitelisted, you can just enter
  the domain (ie, "@example.com").
   6. Click Create filter.
   7. Check "Never send it to Spam".
   8. Click Create filter.


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Re: [OSList] Documents that explain OST beautifully?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

just found a pile of oslist emails in the spam folder.  that's never
happened before.  so if you're not seeing this message, check your spam
folder!

to your question, lucas... i've never used any document to explain OS to
*participants*.  just give the opening briefing and everyone gets it just
fine.

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On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 6:33 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> I forgot that there is also a button "Libratry" at
> > https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/hho/
>
> And, for the German language folks, very detailed stuff here
> > http://www.meine-openspace-praxis.de/index.html
>
> Many samples (invitation to a planning meeting, invitation to an event,
> invitation to a Next Meeting, lengths of os events, cost for an event,
> and various templates)
>
> In Germany there is no need for a Library since there is a gorgeous book
> on OST. It contains everything. And if you are looking for something you
> need and you dont find it in that book you definitely will not need it.
>
> Of course, there is new stuff since corona regarding the technology of
> online events and on that there appears to be a plethora of stuff...
>
>
> Cheers
> mmp
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 17.06.2020 um 14:10 schrieb Michael M Pannwitz:
> > Dear Lucas,
> >
> > as far as I know we dont have a small library.
> > However, there is a huge library here
> >> https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/explore/
> >
> > Also, none of it is copyrighted or trademarked.
> >
> > And a final note: Fashioning ones own "explanatione/description/..." is
> > a great exercise for each facilitator to reflect on her stuff or his, of
> > course. Better yet, is to reflect on it every time I use it, improve it,
> > change it and especially shorten it according to our Law of KISS.
> >
> > Doing it this was is real selforganised learning. Reading stuff I never
> > "learned" stuff, doing stuff I did and then I write it down and its is
> > gunuine.
> >
> > Take care and have a great day
> > Greetings from Berlin
> > mmp
> > Am 16.06.2020 um 22:09 schrieb Lucas Cioffi via OSList:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> If you have a document you use to explain OST to your participants and
> >> if you wouldn't mind other facilitators using it, please share the
> >> link here.  Please also specify what copyright license applies (ie
> >> free to use without attribution, free to use with attribution, etc).
> >>
> >> If we had a small library of such documents, we could learn from each
> >> other more quickly.
> >>
> >> Lucas Cioffi
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[OSList] wikipedia on OS... ack!

[Michael Herman via OSList]

hallo friends,

i've just come from wikipedia where the OS page seems to have hit an
all-time low.  where does this garbage come from?  a while ago there was
some chatter here about giving the page some help.  did that ever happen?
i see chris corrigan's fingerprints on the page, quite a while back.  just
re-instated one of your changes that somebody had removed, buddy!  did some
other cleaning.  but how to keep up with the nonsense?  anybody want to
play there and see if we can make a dent in it?

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Re: [OSList] Questions on continuous Open Space

[Michael Herman via OSList]

some thoughts on your questions below, jake.  but first, you'll want to
find the univ of kentucky rural health system story in harrison's tales
from open space.  here are the rules they came up with.  this must be one
of my top five shared bits of os lore:  michaelherman.com/ky



>- Within a continuous Open Space container, do you think that all
>meetings among the group should be announced to everyone? That is, should
>everyone be invited to every meeting? What happens if two people just want
>to have coffee and catch-up? In the Youth for Europe case study, the
>convener of the meeting determined whom to invite, which might not be
>everyone. It's like a mini-Open Space, rather than a meeting within an Open
>Space. But it can also get cliquish that way, and it seems less 
> transparent.
>
> on invitations, modern calendar software is already a marketplace wall.
nothing in os requires that everyone be invited, or even that all session
are posted.  people meet up in the bar, schedule and not, all the time.
people say, "let's go to dinner."  no notes are posted.  all fine.  the uk
rules address this a little differently.


>
>- Is it beneficial to have a theme? It doesn't seem like either
>organization had a theme in the case studies for the overall Open Space.
>Perhaps their purpose was their theme... In Youth for Europe, there was a
>theme for individual meetings, i.e., the mini-Open Spaces.
>
> on theme, there is already some implied purpose for your work.  if you can
articulate it, great.  i'd think it'd be obvious.  if not, gather first
impressions, write them down.  revisit in a month.  meanwhile, the work is
the work.


>
>- Any suggestions on how to handle push notification overload? So many
>meetings might start getting called that people's inboxes are stuffed, and
>they tone out.
>
> with only 9 people involved, you might try a physical wall.  also, there
is much to learn from the agile movement.  what you're talking about might
learn a lot from kanban, scrum and enterprise scrum.  more than i can say
here.  but in my experience, those are all effectively alternative versions
of ongoing open space.  they've been used a lot, but are all made better
with insights from what we do in os meetings.  i'd be glad to chat about
them with you.  or can share  links when website updating is done this week.

michael



> I am pretty sure I'll have more questions later. :D
>
> Thanks ahead of time!
>
> All the best,
> Jake
> 
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Re: [OSList] The 2020 Online World Open Space on Open Space - Planning Discussion

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Here's a version that's slightly longer than Harrison's suggestion,
preserving the simplicity he points to, adding a touch of our history, and
then just getting on with the show.  I've posted this to Lucas' document
for comment, or maybe this will this suffice as is?  Can we get on with
setting up chairs (zoom accounts) and inviting friends?  I can create an
invitation/registration page at openspaceworld.org, as soon as logistical
details are worked out.

Michael

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On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:53 AM Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Lucas... there is a time and place for every person... and you, it seems
> have found both. Right idea, right technology, right time/space!
> Congratulations!! And with all respect to my good friend Mark, I think I
> will take a miss (Brit speak) on the facilitation bit. But the invitation
> is real simple: "COME! Every one is invited, no explanation needed. Just
> show up." Should do the trick. And anybody who doesn't understand will have
> the added benefit of enjoying the mystery. Of course the right people per
> usual will be there  Cardinal principle ever since: KISS. (Keep it simple
> Stupid) -- that works too!
>
> Harrison
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Phelim McDermott via OSList 
> To: OSList email list 
> Cc: Phelim McDermott 
> Sent: Sun, May 31, 2020 2:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [OSList] The 2020 Online World Open Space on Open Space -
> Planning Discussion
>
> I’d love to be able to support this Lucas. Will speak to Improbable
> colleagues.
>
> Love
>
> Phelim x
>
>
>
> On 31 May 2020, at 17:58, Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Four weeks ago we heard from our colleagues in Germany that unfortunately
> and understandably the 2020 in-person gathering cannot happen this year
> (their original message is at the bottom of this email).
>
> Then Mark Carmel started a thread 12 days ago: "How about we have a global
> OST facilitated by HHO with invites to all on this list serve?"
>
> *I propose that we can all participate in the planning process for an
> online World Open Space on Open Space (WOSonOS) this year*...
>
> *First we'll need a compelling invitation.*  On this Google doc
> 
>  you
> will find 10 empty spaces where anyone can write a rough draft of an
> invitation.  You can also add comments to other people’s invitations in the
> comment section for each invitation.  If you would prefer to not use Google
> docs, please feel free to reply to this email with your draft invitation.
>
>- Action Item: So if you find yourself sitting down for coffee one
>morning with a clear mind and thinking about why it is important to bring
>OS facilitators from across the world together at this moment, please share
>those thoughts as an invitation on that page.
>
> *Second we'll need a place to host the event.*  If we get 25 (or more)
> people to offer their Zoom accounts, then we can have 25 (or more) breakout
> spaces for free.  We can use a tool I've built (QiqoChat) to make it easy
> for people to jump between the Zoom meetings, but people can use Zoom
> directly if they prefer.
>
>- Action Item: Please add your name to the Google doc (link is above)
>if you have a Zoom pro account and would like to share it for this online
>WOSonOS.
>
> *When should we do it?*  I propose that once we complete the invitation,
> we schedule it with three week's advance notice.
>
> *How much should it cost?*  I propose that it should be free with a
> recommended donation of $X to organizations near where you live (for
> example the Open Space Institute  if you live in the
> US).  This way we can use the event to build our network's capacity.
>
> What do you think?  The thread is open...
>
> Lucas Cioffi
> Lead Software Engineer, QiqoChat.com 
> Scarsdale, NY
> 917-528-1831
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 2:12 PM Jo Toepfer via OSList <
> 

Re: [OSList] The 2020 Online World Open Space on Open Space - Planning Discussion

[Michael Herman via OSList]

go, lucas, go!

+1 breakout space


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On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:11 PM chris.altmikus--- via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Please count me in as well. We can also use our accout. Cheri
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Le 1 juin 2020 à 00:56, Allie Middleton via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> a écrit :
>
> Newell Eaton and I each have pro zoom
>
> happy to offer break out spaces
> as needed
>
> co/evolution - co:crystallizing ...
>
> 
>
> *Allie Middleton*
>
>
> On May 31, 2020, at 17:32, Rolf Schneidereit via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Would also love to contribute, my account is in
> Rolf
>
>
> Am 31.05.2020/ Kw22 um 18:58 schrieb Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Four weeks ago we heard from our colleagues in Germany that unfortunately
> and understandably the 2020 in-person gathering cannot happen this year
> (their original message is at the bottom of this email).
>
> Then Mark Carmel started a thread 12 days ago: "How about we have a global
> OST facilitated by HHO with invites to all on this list serve?"
>
> *I propose that we can all participate in the planning process for an
> online World Open Space on Open Space (WOSonOS) this year*...
>
> *First we'll need a compelling invitation.*  On this Google doc
> 
>  you
> will find 10 empty spaces where anyone can write a rough draft of an
> invitation.  You can also add comments to other people’s invitations in the
> comment section for each invitation.  If you would prefer to not use Google
> docs, please feel free to reply to this email with your draft invitation.
>
>- Action Item: So if you find yourself sitting down for coffee one
>morning with a clear mind and thinking about why it is important to bring
>OS facilitators from across the world together at this moment, please share
>those thoughts as an invitation on that page.
>
> *Second we'll need a place to host the event.*  If we get 25 (or more)
> people to offer their Zoom accounts, then we can have 25 (or more) breakout
> spaces for free.  We can use a tool I've built (QiqoChat) to make it easy
> for people to jump between the Zoom meetings, but people can use Zoom
> directly if they prefer.
>
>- Action Item: Please add your name to the Google doc (link is above)
>if you have a Zoom pro account and would like to share it for this online
>WOSonOS.
>
> *When should we do it?*  I propose that once we complete the invitation,
> we schedule it with three week's advance notice.
>
> *How much should it cost?*  I propose that it should be free with a
> recommended donation of $X to organizations near where you live (for
> example the Open Space Institute  if you live in the
> US).  This way we can use the event to build our network's capacity.
>
> What do you think?  The thread is open...
>
> Lucas Cioffi
> Lead Software Engineer, QiqoChat.com 
> Scarsdale, NY
> 917-528-1831
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 2:12 PM Jo Toepfer via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Dear OS Community worldwide!
>>
>> *Whatever happens is the only thing that could have… *We hereby inform
>> you – with regret, let’s say it ones before we look forward – that we
>> decided to stop the preparation of the WOSonOS 2020 planned to be held
>> October 29 through 31, 2020.
>>
>> After a careful review of the current circumstances and the possible
>> developments of the COVID-19 pandemia we came to the conclusion that we can
>> not held the event as planned. At the moment it would be unrealistic to
>> conduct the event in a face-to-face format in fall 2020 here in Berlin. We
>> as the sponsor and all those who want to participate and would have to book
>> their trip in advance would be left with the cancellation costs.
>>
>> The alternative option to hold the WOSonOS as an online event instead is
>> clearly not our choice. For us this would be a different meeting than the
>> one we are entrusted with, and we have no passion to do it online.
>>
>> The ones who already registered, 43 participants from Iceland, France,
>> Canada, Netherlands, UK, Belgium, Sweden, US, Italy, Spain, Malaysia,
>> Switzerland and Germany, are already informed personally and their
>> participation fees will be fully refunded.
>>
>> *Next steps:* We are currently checking the option to postpone the
>> WOSonOS to 2021. Therefore it would be helpful to know whether a designated
>> team for 2021 already exists? If so, please contact us and we will figure
>> out where 

Re: [OSList] A Possible Future for Journalism

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Not a stretch at all, I think.  Stories that invite storytelling,
belonging, meaning making, collaboration.  All the same business as OS, far
as I can tell.

Equally relevant in the realm of internal corporate communications,
including engagement work (my wife's business is global employee engagement
survey business).  I've suggested for 15 years that those surveys should
include what have become known as "Michael's two favorite questions."  The
point of the two questions is to actively invite and support conversation
about the issues raised in the survey.  How to open many small spaces with
a single invitation?  How to get beyond talking about engagement and start
actually *engaging?*

Thanks, Peggy!

Michael



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On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:39 AM Artur Silva via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Thank you, Peggy.
>
> Very interesting.
>
> Regards
>
> Artur
>
> --
>
> On Sunday, April 26, 2020, 11:59:59 PM GMT+1, Peggy Holman via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I hope you are staying well in these strange times. Shelter in place has
> given me time for some writing I’ve been wanting to do. Nonprofit
> Quarterly just published my take on a possible future for journalism: How
> Can We Emerge from the Pandemic with the Journalism We Need?
> 
>
> I thought about whether it was appropriate to share this article on a list
> dedicated to Open Space. I’ll admit it is a bit of a stretch. I chose to do
> so because in the last few years, I’ve seen an increasing intersection
> between community conversation and journalistic storytelling in order to
> serve the needs of civil society.
>
> So if you’re interested, please take a look at this story of hope &
> possibility. It is illustrated with examples of the intrepid adventurers
> who are reinventing journalism. Using the First Amendment to the U.S.
> Constitution as a frame, it offers five trends.
>
> From:
>
>- Monocultural to multicultural
>- Lecturing to listening
>- Problems to possibilities
>- Debate to dialogue
>- Go alone to come together
>
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Stay well,
> Peggy
>
>
> 
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Re: [OSList] Recording Zoom OST Sessions??

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Recording the opening is an easy middle ground, Marc. Gives context for any
notes captured. Doesn’t intrude. Doesn’t require special tech arrangements
for recording breakouts. Participant names in breakout notes is always
helpful, I think, if people capture them.


On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 17:39 Marc C. Trudeau via OSList <
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> Dear friends,
>
> Hello again.
>
> I’ve offered/sponsored a series of OSTs for my alma mater (students,
> staff, alums), themed, “How will we, the WPI community, support each other
> through this difficult time.” The second event is tomorrow night, and one
> person has reached out who can’t accommodate the schedule, asking if the
> event can be recorded. I’m inclined to say no, since proceedings will be
> available to the whole community, and I fear recording could tend to close
> the space (make people less open and fully themselves)
>
>  Prior to answering him, I decided to ask for your help. Will you lend
> your advice?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Marc
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[OSList] The New Space Race?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Hi all,

I had a thought recently that might be interesting here, and that maybe you
can add on to, as a story and conversation here.  And then in the world.
This overlaps with some other recent threads, too, I think.

As background, I'm exactly old enough that the moon landing is, as best I
can tell, my oldest memory.  I've seen pictures of stuff that happened
before, but I clearly remember the space toys being given away at gas
stations, our family buying our first color TV, and (just like now) keeping
our distance... in that case we were supposed to stay six feet from the new
set.

>From that global moment came all kinds of "big blue marble" photos, Bucky
Fuller's "Spaceship Earth," and other images.  Now we had a picture of "all
in this together" where "all" really was every human.  And then, a few
decades later, we've created a global network, a global economy, and global
epidemics.  Not everyone made a direct, conscious connection about those
images from space, but somehow we all grew up participating in the creation
of these global structures and phenomena.

Now I think we might have a chance to accelerate our swing back, to the
micro, the local, the individual in equally strong, long-term ways.  It
took us a while to get there, but the message coming clearer now is "wear a
mask," for instance, "to protect others..."  And inside of that, this seems
like a visceral reminder that "what you, the little individual does -- does
matter."  It matters with masks and the virus, but it can be, and I hope it
will be, quickly translated to the plastic we use, the miles we drive, the
other things we purchase and reinforce with our money, the way we manage
emotions in groups, and so on.  It matters for everyone to manage their own
"stuff," their own behavior, purchases, words, and other choices.

This is what I hope we might be learning, anyway.  And within all of the
possibilities, choosing to take responsibility for one's own experience,
actively choosing to be learning and contributing, seems to me about the
best choices we could focus on, each of us, individually and personally.
What we've been saying all along, in various ways, that individual agency
and actions matter, seems more important and understandable that ever.

This makes me curious if and how what is happening now with the virus and
what we've all been teaching and practicing and inviting "in open space,"
might shape the world over the next few decades.  I wonder what kind of a
world might emerge from increasing awareness of personal agency,
responsibility, learning and contributing, in meetings and everywhere
else.

This is one good thing I have imagined could emerge from this.  This is the
view I'm testing as I watch the news and talk with clients these days.

What do you think might come out of the current situation, on any scale?

And is there anything else to do about helping it along, for now, wherever
we are?

Michael


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[OSList] Right Place...

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Hello friends,

I got a chuckle today, reading a book called Tattoos on the Heart, written
by a Jesuit priest named Greg Boyle.  He's sort of famous for starting
Homeboy Industries, a bunch of (legal) businesses run by
(recovering/escaping) Los Angeles gang members.

At one point he says, "Scripture scholars contend that the original
language of the Beatitudes should not be rendered as "Blessed are the
single-hearted" or "Blessed are the peacemakers" or "Blessed are those who
struggle for justice."  Greater precision in translation would say, "You're
in the right place if... you are single-hearted or work for peace."  The
Beatitudes is not a spirituality, after all.  It's a geography.  It tells
us where to stand.

Sounded a lot like the four principles and our favorite scripture scholar.

Michael



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Re: [OSList] How do you "hold space?"

[Michael Herman via OSList]

A participant once asked me what I was doing before/as I stepped into the
opening circle, Jake. I asked what if looked like. She said, like you were
being space. Best ppt compliment I ever had. Also the week after two weeks
in a Tibetan monastery, so maybe I was too if my game.

If you want, you can practice with another being what happen when you
describe the falling away. Sit facing each other, or back to back is good
too. Let your awareness include everything that tells you that you are, all
and any sensation. Then let awareness notice that the being infrint if you
is, too.  Let the other be as real to you as you are to yourself.
Move/pulse attention back and forth until you are aware of both being at
once. Won’t matter if they do this or not, as long as they’re not
distracting you. Notice what happens. Notice the quality of space. Shared.
Notice what it feels like and then google the four immeasurables. And then
notice that we can do this anytime with groups, of just in the train home
at night. Open space is everywhere at once. 


On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 16:54 Jake Yeager via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> This was such a rich thread. Thank you all for sharing.
>
> My "understanding" of OST and the facilitator's role deepens the more I
> engage in spiritual practices.
>
> At some point I imagine the notion of "me" as an "OST facilitator" will
> also fall away. Then, I am fully present--hell, I AM the present. :) Or
> just I AM. And the notion of the "group" falls away too.
>
> Much love all
>
> Jake
> 
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 1:03 PM Thomas Perret via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Birgitt,
>>
>> Awesome, thank you!
>>
>> Kindly,
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>> On 10 Feb 2020, at 17.40, Birgitt Williams via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Thomas,
>> My perspective about OST started because I was in a senior staff
>> position, accountable for the performance of my organization, when I
>> introduced OST into the organization and paid a lot of attention to what
>> worked and what didn't over time. My perspective is added to by my choice
>> to work predominantly in helping organizations transform. My use of OST is
>> within intact organizations and multiple OST meetings are always part of
>> our transformation process. The best I can offer on the list is my
>> perspective from my own experience.
>>
>> Most important is that every person who facilitates OST has an
>> understanding of the form of OST, and their own chosen concept of what the
>> essence is. What is this thing referred to as 'space', what is meant by
>> 'open' and then 'open space'. From a personal understanding comes a
>> personal perspective of what it is to open space and hold space, if those
>> words suit the person. It is a personal journey. I have come to understand
>> that it is more about the persona/leadership development of the facilitator
>> over time than about anything else. It is a way to learn to be the change
>> you want to see in the world.
>>
>> The decisions about what to do and not do come from this understanding
>> and the associated perspective that develops. I have a perspective that is
>> uniquely mine, although I have set teachings from my perspective out into
>> the word in our Working with Open Space Technology module of the Genuine
>> Contact program. In turn, every GC trainer shares via their own unique
>> perspective.
>>
>> Thank you for noticing,
>> in genuine contact,
>> Birgitt
>>
>>
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Re: [OSList] How do you "hold space?"

[Michael Herman via OSList]

You remind me, Rolf, that one of my favorite things is when the sponsor,
having seen the group do several amazing, previously unthinkable things,
clearing every imagined hurdle, comes to me near lunch time and asks if
they shouldn’t go around and tell the groups about lunch. I love to suggest
that they just get something for themselves, take a bite, and walk through
the space chewing. To me it’s a great moment of learning how easy
leadership can be!  So you might be working too hard with the belly signs!



On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 16:39 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear Jake and you others, (after finishing this piece I suggest you
> first get yourself a cup of coffee or other beverage you cherish, find a
> couch and take a little time to read this lengthy piece)
>
> I as facilitator will increasingly get into the mode of "total presence
> and absolute invisibility" by reflection. As I inch up, or millimeter
> up, in this regard the easier does it get to hold "time and space".
>
> Now, this is both more than rocket science as well as simple. However,
> and this is the tough part, not easy.
> After pushing myself in the early years of my practice I eventually
> realized that "total presence and absolute invisibility" requires
> life-long attention and learning. As does holding time and space. Both
> are part of this. And if you start with OST late in life, as I did at
> the age of 56 and three decades of OD and related stuff behind me, its
> mainly a lot of un-learning.
>
> Okay, here are some of the things I reflect on... best with others right
> during an ost event (I actually plan timeslots for this in the agenda
> the team has for itself):
>
> --- Being unattached to outcome and not getting involved in content is a
> prerequisite for having the high energy required for attaining the mode
> of "present and invisible." (I think it was HO who tells the story of
> being asked by someone during an OST event about apparently doing
> nothing... and him responding with "Doing nothing is what I get paid
> for.").
> --- One thing I can arrange for and reflect on before getting into a
> facilitator situtation, is not to facilitate an ost event in a situation
> that I have stakes in (like in my own organisation).
> One practice tested way is to help oneself and other facilitators in
> this regard is to arrange for a "rain check" system: I work as
> facilitator without pay in your organisation and you in turn work as
> facilitator without pay in mine. That allows us in each case to be fully
> participant in a setting we have stakes in. And for lots of learning.
> Which happens easily in sustainably reflecting my practice.
> --- One more thing I can arrange for once it is clear that I am
> facilitator in a specific event is to have an assistant who supports me
> in doing nothing and reminds me to stay out of the way. (This reminds me
> of a story about one of the Ceasars in Rome who hired someone to quietly
> tell him that he is not God when everyone adored, admired, fell on his
> knews before him.) The assistant, in turn, has a team to take care of
> all the nitty-gritty stuff around setting up the event and caring for
> the event without being space invadors.
>
> --- What is central to my role as facilitator in regard to
> "holding/expanding time and space for the unfolding of the force of
> selforganisation"?
> OST has this as its central characteristic. I know of no
> approach/method/process/etc. that has "holding/expanding time and space
> for the unfolding of the force of selforganisation" as its central
> characteristic. It is unique to OST. This I think is also one of the
> reasons why it always works, appears familiar to everyone once they get
> into it, is effective in all cultures, etc.
> As is often told, there is really only one effective way to reduce the
> unhampered unfolding of the  force of selforganisation: Control.  Mind
> you, the force of selforganisation does not appear completely (this, I
> think would stop everything, the universe would disapper). It can get
> very tiny, but its there... an organisation or a group or a neighborhood
> would not be unless the force is still active. The way, it often shows
> itself, is in the "informal" part of a system that is used by everyone
> to make things work. It can also rest in the "informal" leaders in a
> neighborhood that Saul Alinski, among other things, looked for in
> working with communities.
> --- So, all situations, tempting as they may be, in which I exert
> control are counterproductive for the central characteristic of OST.
> "Control" can be around little things that I intuitively do in
> situations where I feel I need to step in: Walk up to the Bulletin Board
> to pick up an issue-poster that got unstuck and put it back in it place.
> A bit more control might be my suggestion that no issue needs to be put
> up more than once. And even more control is active when I proclaim that
> a certain issue 

Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Missed this earlier, Jake.  Sometimes review starts at the end of the last
session and gives last conveners a little extra time to write their notes
up.  Sometimes, in one-day sessions, I've used the gallery approach that
mmp invented years ago.  Give each breakout space flipchart paper, but give
each convener a single sheet of posterboard to digest their info from flips
to the poster board.  Easier to understand, easier to photo.  Put them all
on the same wall, easier to read as a large group.  With a day and a half,
I'd build the gallery time into the breakfast time.  Read and eat and be
ready to go at X time.  If the diverging was finished on day one and day
two is about converging again, then there's no need for morning news.  The
news is:  we have a new challenge/task to do together.  But no matter how
you slice it, if you want them to DO something with the data on the wall,
they'll need a little bit of time to look it over.  Also, the usual
invitation is to pay special attention to the sessions they missed, rather
than those they attended.  Putting names of conveners and participants on
these notes encourages conversations, questions, clarifications, etc.  MH





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On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 4:28 PM Jake Yeager via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hey Michael Pannwitz,
>
> I had Michael Herman in mind, but I'd love to extend the question to
> everyone.
>
> Thanks for the question. :)
>
> Jake
>
>
> 
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 6:16 PM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Jake,
>> which Michael are your thinking of?
>> mmp
>>
>> Am 08.02.2020 um 18:13 schrieb Jake Yeager via OSList:
>> > Michael and Chris - do you allot time to review the notes prior to
>> > organizing them?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 10:14 AM Jake Yeager > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Again, a bunch of great ideas and perspectives on this thread.
>> >
>> > After considering it more, I am going to propose to the sponsor that
>> > we adjust our convergence process. Per Michael and Chris's
>> > suggestions, I will propose that participants organize the notes
>> > into themes. This will assist meaning-making and pattern
>> > recognition. Then, I will invite participants to vote on the themes
>> > that they would like to see turned into OKRs. The top 3 get turned
>> > into OKRs using the iterative sprints.
>> >
>> > This approach seems more organic and simple. It also seems to flow
>> > better, and it requires less facilitation.
>> >
>> > I also like Ilan's ideas about structuring the notes towards the
>> > outcomes. I may also incorporate that.
>> >
>> > Thanks again!
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again,
>> > and you will be free of problems.
>> >   - Robert Adams 
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:42 AM Ilan Kirschenbaum
>> > mailto:i...@practical-agile.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Extending this to an Open Space format, let the structure guide
>> > the outcomes.
>> > For example, have the session summary sheets have, in addition
>> > to topic, convener and participants, titles for Main Objective
>> > and for Key Results. You may wish to add (see if you can find
>> > about 3 SMART key results) - if you want to guide participants
>> > towards the OKRs concept. That said with a invitation to favor
>> > the more open and the less prescriptive approach.
>> >
>> > As for the initiatives session, one thing we had at a client is
>> > to prepare a large board with a table having tall rubrics for Os
>> > on the left side, and wider and shorter rubrics for KRs in the
>> > right.
>> > During this session, participants - conveners and other - were
>> > invited to place their Os and KRs in the board and share what
>> > they found passion and responsibility for to take forward.
>> > In effect, that way self-organized teams were formed to make
>> > these initiatives happen.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 6:15 Chris Corrigan via OSList
>> > > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > No...  If the sponsor already knows which OKR’s will matter,
>> > then that would be “pre-set” answers, and I would forget
>> > about open space. But specifying that “we are trying to
>> > generate new OKRs” is a fine invitation, because it’s open
>> > and the sponsor should be 

Re: [OSList] How do you "hold space?"

[Michael Herman via OSList]

There is also the possibility of sitting in the sessions, when you're part
of the group.  Tricky in the first go-round though.  When I do sit in, I
tend not to say very much, as I'm having a very diff experience than
everyone else.  I don't sit in sessions during first or last sessions, so
they get started without me and i'm ready for closing or evening news.  But
for this it helps for the group to have at least one experience of OS and
it's another layer of pulsation of awareness for the facilitator, between
the group you're in and the rest of the field.

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MichaelHerman.com
OpenSpaceWorld.org




On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 3:58 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi Jake. For me, to hold space is to attend to the field that extends
> beyond the center of the opening circle out to wherever participants are
> moving.
>
> Harrison's famous story is to be sitting at the hotel bar, while
> participants are following the law of mobility into breakouts and butterfly
> conversations around the grounds. Choosing your level of engagement is at
> the core of the law.
>
> It sounds like the feedback is to stay a bit closer to the center of the
> opening circle, so that the fact you are holding the field is more
> apparent. That's a practice in sensing the field.
>
> I often stay nearby for a while, then move away, then come back as the
> energy of the event turns toward closing.
>
> It also can take particular attention to hold space in an organization of
> which you are a member. If it seems ok for me to do it at all, I might also
> invite an outside cofacilitator who can notice subtle dynamics that i miss.
> Such as in the important transition after the OST into the daily work and
> dynamics of the organization.
>
> Jeff
> Telegraph Hill, San Francisco
>
> On Sat, Feb 8, 2020, 11:41 AM Chris Corrigan via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Harrison has described as being “totally invisible but completely
>> present.”  I rarely leave the room. But I also never intervene. If asked to
>> help I respond with “what would you like to do? Why don’t you take care of
>> it?” It’s about radical return of passion and responsibility to the people.
>> It is indeed risky. But the reward is immense.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> _
>> CHRIS CORRIGAN
>> www.chriscorrigan.com
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Jake Yeager via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Many questions these days. Thank you for entertaining them. :)
>>
>> This past week, I facilitated an eight-hour Open Space split across two
>> half-days. The attendees were an Organizational Development team, of which
>> I am a member. My AVP sponsored the event, because we had recently merged
>> with another group, and there was lack of clarity. So, our theme was: "Who
>> are we, and how do we collaborate to drive success?" Also, my AVP--who is a
>> leader in Learning & Development--wanted to experience Open Space in order
>> to understand it better as it is new to my firm.
>>
>> Since I am a fledgling facilitator, I chose not to participate in the
>> breakout sessions, even though I am part of the group. I wanted to make
>> sure that I provided the best experience for everyone, and participating
>> would have dampened my focus. I shared this with my manager, after she
>> inquired after the first day why I had not participated.
>>
>> Long story short, after the event, my manager had major concerns how I
>> facilitated the event. I had gone for long walks while the group was
>> working, and she felt that was very risky. I told her that the
>> facilitator's role is to remain "invisible" to allow the group to build its
>> capacity for self-management. She said that our firm's culture is very
>> hierarchical and that "baby steps" are needed. She suggested even
>> intervening in a group if it gets "stuck." I believe I mentioned that
>> intervening is not part of Open Space facilitation.
>>
>> So my question is: how do you "hold space?" I found Chris's description
>> on his website: "an Open Space Technology facilitator is neither seen nor
>> heard, but his or her presence is 'felt.'" I guess by going for long walks
>> and not being in the room, my presence was not "felt." One of my colleagues
>> provided feedback that by not being there, it didn't seem like I cared.
>> This is definitely not the case. I went on long walks as an act of love,
>> not negligence.
>>
>> Anyway, would love your thoughts.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jake
>> 
>>
>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
>> you will be free of problems.
>>  - Robert Adams 
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Re: [OSList] How do you "hold space?"

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Here's some of what I think is going on for me when facilitating... I do
sometimes leave the room, but not for what I'd call long walks.  If we're
in a hotel, I might have a reason to go retrieve something from my room,
pretty much out and back.  If it's a long walk, I might pass through all
the spaces we're using, on my way out and on my way back.  Mostly, I am
aware of awareness, swinging between how I am feeling as a body and how the
workspace is feeling to me, between what I am doing and what others are
doing, between doing things like picking up cups and not doing anything at
all.  Just sort of there taking care of everything, which includes myself.
And the reporting, if we're playing that way.  If there's a newsroom, it's
a good place to hang out, but I like to make passes through the rest of the
space.  I don't do other work, read a book, listen to music or anything
like that.  Unless you count glancing at headlines of a newspaper on a
table or in a hotel gift shop, or maybe scanning headlines online for a
minute or few, to give my attention a rest from the space.  But any of
those diversions are about being interested and paying attention to things
rather than leaving the group.  Nobody would see me as checked out.
Mostly, it's just being very aware of awareness and staying loose and
moving, inside and out, letting it go, letting the whole experience flow
through and around me.  There's nothing to do.  Even when the newsroom is
cooking.


--

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Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

MichaelHerman.com
OpenSpaceWorld.org




On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 12:25 PM Chris Corrigan via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Harrison has described as being “totally invisible but completely
> present.”  I rarely leave the room. But I also never intervene. If asked to
> help I respond with “what would you like to do? Why don’t you take care of
> it?” It’s about radical return of passion and responsibility to the people.
> It is indeed risky. But the reward is immense.
>
> Chris.
>
> _
> CHRIS CORRIGAN
> www.chriscorrigan.com
>
> On Feb 8, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Jake Yeager via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> 
> Many questions these days. Thank you for entertaining them. :)
>
> This past week, I facilitated an eight-hour Open Space split across two
> half-days. The attendees were an Organizational Development team, of which
> I am a member. My AVP sponsored the event, because we had recently merged
> with another group, and there was lack of clarity. So, our theme was: "Who
> are we, and how do we collaborate to drive success?" Also, my AVP--who is a
> leader in Learning & Development--wanted to experience Open Space in order
> to understand it better as it is new to my firm.
>
> Since I am a fledgling facilitator, I chose not to participate in the
> breakout sessions, even though I am part of the group. I wanted to make
> sure that I provided the best experience for everyone, and participating
> would have dampened my focus. I shared this with my manager, after she
> inquired after the first day why I had not participated.
>
> Long story short, after the event, my manager had major concerns how I
> facilitated the event. I had gone for long walks while the group was
> working, and she felt that was very risky. I told her that the
> facilitator's role is to remain "invisible" to allow the group to build its
> capacity for self-management. She said that our firm's culture is very
> hierarchical and that "baby steps" are needed. She suggested even
> intervening in a group if it gets "stuck." I believe I mentioned that
> intervening is not part of Open Space facilitation.
>
> So my question is: how do you "hold space?" I found Chris's description on
> his website: "an Open Space Technology facilitator is neither seen nor
> heard, but his or her presence is 'felt.'" I guess by going for long walks
> and not being in the room, my presence was not "felt." One of my colleagues
> provided feedback that by not being there, it didn't seem like I cared.
> This is definitely not the case. I went on long walks as an act of love,
> not negligence.
>
> Anyway, would love your thoughts.
>
> Thanks,
> Jake
> 
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
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Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Worth noting, too, that everything Chris is suggesting moves the group
forward and deeper into open space, supporting their continuing work in
that way.  Finishing OS with designed/selected liberating structures, on
the other hand, seems to imply that they're not able to take the work
forward without somebody setting up the next little wickets for them to
jump through.


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312-280-7838 (mobile)

MichaelHerman.com
OpenSpaceWorld.org




On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 1:28 PM Chris Corrigan 
wrote:

> Building on this:
>
> In the past when a sponsor has been clear about content areas but hasn’t
> specified what can be discussed within them we did the following:
>
> 1. Make sure you have lots of people there, because diversity of
> experience and ideas is helpful.
>
> 2. Have the sponsor outline the specific areas they need help with “These
> three pillars of our plan are up for discussion…” but also be sure that the
> sponsor indicates that any and all conversations are welcome on the day.
>
> 3. When introducing the process, divide the news wall into specific areas
> and have one area for “Other.”  As people complete their session reports,
> instruct them to post the results in one of the specific subject areas if
> they want their ideas considered. Use the “Other” category for interesting
> outlier conversation reports. Very important here that the convener of the
> topic choose which category to post in.
>
> 4. Make some time to then have the group break out into groups focusing on
> the specific areas and distill some recommendations or insights, or
> whatever is useful to the sponsor.  If you have a large group, then perhaps
> invite the conveners of sessions to gather in subject-specific teams to has
> through the proceedings from the specific areas.”
>
> That has worked well for me in the past where the intention has been
> constrained, but the sponsor wants to allow a larger space to be opened.
>
> Chris
>
> On Feb 5, 2020, at 12:36 PM, Michael Herman via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> yes to what's already been said.  and... it sounds like the OS part is
> already happening, and you're asking about how to get from there to the
> sponsor's three objectives.  if that's the question, i'd suggest it's
> simply two open spaces (perhaps loosely defined).
>
> the first OS runs as usual and finishes with all the notes on the wall.
> you haven't said anything about how many people are expected to gather and
> how long.  the how long will imply something about the quality of the
> notes, but at a minimum it seems safe to assume that you'll have written
> topics posted, even if the OS is just a few hours.
>
> the second "OS" simply invites everyone to look at the wall and work
> together to organize everything into three streams of work.  in a small
> group, with good notes, this might be as simple as the group going straight
> to the existing wall to organize.  but even then, you probably want to be
> able to add practical detail, immediate next steps, to the wall.  so with
> any size group you might simply "re-open the space for action."  invite the
> whole group to create the agenda for the next 3 months or year or whatever,
> identifying immediate next steps and posting them to a different wall.
> have them keep reviewing the original wall and notes until all the most
> important next steps are identified.  challenge them to make sense of them
> as they post the steps.
>
> it might be three or two or five or whatever streams.  if the leader is
> adamant about three, some finessing might be required, but the shifting
> might also happen within that sponsor, who won't want to blow up a
> coherence created by so many, and understood my him/herself and those
> many.  so it might turn out that 5 really clear objectives, well detailed,
> are actually just fine.  or if the charge is to create exactly three, the
> group will likely work to create that.  either way, it will work.
>
> bonus points for scheduling places and times the first conversations can
> happen on most immediate next steps.
>
> m
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> MichaelHerman.com <http://michaelherman.com/>
> OpenSpaceWorld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 8:24 AM R Chaffe via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> The sponsor must be quite clear as to the level of delegation they are
>> willing to give to the participants. Then as Rolf says, you must choose if
>> Open Space technology is the correct process.  You may operate out of an
>> Open Space mind se

Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

yes to what's already been said.  and... it sounds like the OS part is
already happening, and you're asking about how to get from there to the
sponsor's three objectives.  if that's the question, i'd suggest it's
simply two open spaces (perhaps loosely defined).

the first OS runs as usual and finishes with all the notes on the wall.
you haven't said anything about how many people are expected to gather and
how long.  the how long will imply something about the quality of the
notes, but at a minimum it seems safe to assume that you'll have written
topics posted, even if the OS is just a few hours.

the second "OS" simply invites everyone to look at the wall and work
together to organize everything into three streams of work.  in a small
group, with good notes, this might be as simple as the group going straight
to the existing wall to organize.  but even then, you probably want to be
able to add practical detail, immediate next steps, to the wall.  so with
any size group you might simply "re-open the space for action."  invite the
whole group to create the agenda for the next 3 months or year or whatever,
identifying immediate next steps and posting them to a different wall.
have them keep reviewing the original wall and notes until all the most
important next steps are identified.  challenge them to make sense of them
as they post the steps.

it might be three or two or five or whatever streams.  if the leader is
adamant about three, some finessing might be required, but the shifting
might also happen within that sponsor, who won't want to blow up a
coherence created by so many, and understood my him/herself and those
many.  so it might turn out that 5 really clear objectives, well detailed,
are actually just fine.  or if the charge is to create exactly three, the
group will likely work to create that.  either way, it will work.

bonus points for scheduling places and times the first conversations can
happen on most immediate next steps.

m





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312-280-7838 (mobile)

MichaelHerman.com
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On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 8:24 AM R Chaffe via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> The sponsor must be quite clear as to the level of delegation they are
> willing to give to the participants. Then as Rolf says, you must choose if
> Open Space technology is the correct process.  You may operate out of an
> Open Space mind set!
>
> Under promise and over deliver.  Never try to contradict what the sponsor
> requires, this well men you advise them that you are not the best person
> for the task required. Not an easy call to make when you think you need the
> work.  In the longer term you are so much stronger and you will attract the
> best clients, this is where the rubber meets the road.
>
> Regards
> Rob
>
> On 5 Feb 2020, at 9:26 pm, Rolf F. Katzenberger via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Jake:
>
> Given the amount of control desired by the sponsor, and your playing with
> Liberating Structures , are you sure that Open Space is the most
> appropriate format for the desired outcome? I might be wrong: it looks like
> a regular workshop, designed around a suitable LS string, might work better
> here.
>
> An Open Space does not impose that amount of control on the participants,
> neither with respect to sessions, nor with handling outcomes in the way you
> have described. Trying to add this type of control might cause a bit of
> dissatisfaction with people who know what an Open Space really is, IMHO.
>
> Greetings,
> Rolf
>
>
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> Jake Yeager via OSList schrieb am 05.02.20 um 00:56:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
>
> I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use the
> 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's) and then
> 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective.
>
> The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little hairy
> if the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than 3. Guess I
> could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if consent
> decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a final
> call on the top 3 if the group is split.
>
> Thanks and much love,
> Jake
> 
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
>
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Re: [OSList] Agile culture - video (X-posted OS/GC-list)

[Michael Herman via OSList]

t; WHAT WERE WE THINKING ?!?
>
>
>
>
> *Daniel Mezick*Co-Founding Member, Open Leadership Network
> <https://openleadershipnetwork.com/>
>
> Learn how to *really* transform this time:
>
> Learn how to use Open Space Technology,
> and other Open leadership patterns,
> at the Open Leadership Symposium Feb 4-5-6 in Tampa Florida
> <https://openleadershipnetwork.com/events/2020-tampa>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Diana Larsen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> I love your story, Michael. I’m another person who had the privilege of
> seeing Spotify close up a while back, been involved in events there with
> colleagues, and have enjoyed watching it grow over time.
>
> My connection with them began in 2012, and that came about because of
> another related idea, the Agile Fluency Model. The leaders were among the
> first to recognize the synergies of multiple good ideas.
>
> Thanks for starting this thread, Thomas!
> Diana
>
>
> ***
> *Diana Larsen*
> Agile Fluency™ Project <http://agilefluency.org/>
> The Article: The Agile Fluency Model: A Brief Guide to Success with Agile
> <https://www.agilefluency.org/model.php> - Get the eBook!
> The Video: The Agile Fluency Model Explained
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvvMl1F_Tow>
> The Workshops: Workshops and Events
> <https://www.agilefluency.org/workshops.php>
>
> On Jan 10, 2020, at 11:09 AM, Michael Herman via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> When I first met the (fledgling, at that time) Agile community, Thomas, it
> was because they'd asked me to introduce OS as a track in their first
> annual conference (2002).  When I showed up, they explained to me what
> Agile was.  I just started laughing. "Guys," I said, "You do realize that
> you're making software in Open Space!"  My short explanation of that
> characterization is that in both Agile and OS, "We put all the most
> important stuff on the wall.  And then we get it done."
>
> Fast forward to 2017, Mike Beedle, one of the original co-authors of the
> Agile Manifesto (agilemanifesto.org), launched a framework for (whole)
> Business or Enterprise Agility.  The foundation of that is an adapted
> "Business Model Canvas."  Mike and I used to muse about whether the 9-15
> boxes on those canvases were so many small open spaces (on important
> dimensions of the work, or if it was really one big open space with a
> finite number of predictable tracks of work (e.g. purpose, customer,
> metrics, team practices, resources, governance, value delivery, and so
> on).  Either way, we always agreed that Mike's Enterprise Scrum
> canvas-based framework was surely a form of Ongoing Open Space.
>
> Since then, in practice, I've found that following an OS meeting with work
> in an Enterprise Scrum canvas, the canvas being a way to keep the
> marketplace open and loosely organized going forward, is a somewhat more
> rigorous but also natural enough way to support "keeping the work going"
> after the OS.
>
> Overall, what I like about the pairing of OS and Agile approaches is
> this:  The strong invitation, engagement, alignment that arises so quickly
> and easily in OS doesn't automatically lead into rigorous action, if the
> organization doesn't already have that rigor active in itself.  At the same
> time, Agile approaches bring an easy, natural rigor to work, but don't
> necessarily invite, engage and align.  Imposed, and Too Narrow (closed),
> understanding of Agile, Value and Transformation too often have Agile teams
> working very rigorously but not as smart and aligned as they really
> want/need to be.
>
> Some combination of open (space) invitation and operational (agile) rigor,
> however, in the same/shared spirit of self-organization, is my favorite way
> to play these days.
>
> Michael
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> MichaelHerman.com <http://michaelherman.com/>
> OpenSpaceWorld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 10:48 AM Thomas Herrmann via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear friends in Open Space
>>
>> I had an interesting meeting today with a person in a large IT company
>> and I was reminded about this video, I think I shared it here before but
>> it’s worth watching again – I noticed! This link leads to the full 25 min
>> video, about the Agile Culture in Spotify company. There are shorter
>> versions too, but I recommend the full if you are really interested. Lots
>> of good stuff and interesting

Re: [OSList] Agile culture - video (X-posted OS/GC-list)

[Michael Herman via OSList]

When I first met the (fledgling, at that time) Agile community, Thomas, it
was because they'd asked me to introduce OS as a track in their first
annual conference (2002).  When I showed up, they explained to me what
Agile was.  I just started laughing. "Guys," I said, "You do realize that
you're making software in Open Space!"  My short explanation of that
characterization is that in both Agile and OS, "We put all the most
important stuff on the wall.  And then we get it done."

Fast forward to 2017, Mike Beedle, one of the original co-authors of the
Agile Manifesto (agilemanifesto.org), launched a framework for (whole)
Business or Enterprise Agility.  The foundation of that is an adapted
"Business Model Canvas."  Mike and I used to muse about whether the 9-15
boxes on those canvases were so many small open spaces (on important
dimensions of the work, or if it was really one big open space with a
finite number of predictable tracks of work (e.g. purpose, customer,
metrics, team practices, resources, governance, value delivery, and so
on).  Either way, we always agreed that Mike's Enterprise Scrum
canvas-based framework was surely a form of Ongoing Open Space.

Since then, in practice, I've found that following an OS meeting with work
in an Enterprise Scrum canvas, the canvas being a way to keep the
marketplace open and loosely organized going forward, is a somewhat more
rigorous but also natural enough way to support "keeping the work going"
after the OS.

Overall, what I like about the pairing of OS and Agile approaches is this:
The strong invitation, engagement, alignment that arises so quickly and
easily in OS doesn't automatically lead into rigorous action, if the
organization doesn't already have that rigor active in itself.  At the same
time, Agile approaches bring an easy, natural rigor to work, but don't
necessarily invite, engage and align.  Imposed, and Too Narrow (closed),
understanding of Agile, Value and Transformation too often have Agile teams
working very rigorously but not as smart and aligned as they really
want/need to be.

Some combination of open (space) invitation and operational (agile) rigor,
however, in the same/shared spirit of self-organization, is my favorite way
to play these days.

Michael

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On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 10:48 AM Thomas Herrmann via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear friends in Open Space
>
> I had an interesting meeting today with a person in a large IT company and
> I was reminded about this video, I think I shared it here before but it’s
> worth watching again – I noticed! This link leads to the full 25 min video,
> about the Agile Culture in Spotify company. There are shorter versions too,
> but I recommend the full if you are really interested. Lots of good stuff
> and interesting to understanding more about this approach and how it can be
> used in a healthy way (as it sounds). I know it can also be ”mis-used” just
> like OST.
>
>
> https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=spotify+agile&=detail=5DC370E7746AF98272625DC370E7746AF9827262&=VRDGAR=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dspotify%2Bagile%26FORM%3DVDVVXX
>
> We had some great conversations and areas of collaboration we will explore
> bringing OST and GC into that company.
>
> Wishing you lots of open space for fun during the coming weekend
>
> Hugs
>
>
>
> Thomas Herrmann
>
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>
> Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden
>
> Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81
>
> Email: tho...@openspaceconsulting.com
>
> Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com
>
> Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult
>
> Company page on Facebook: www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting
>
>
>
> Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och
> samhälle.
>
> We release lifepower in people, organizations and society.
>
>
>
> *Medskapande är hör för att stanna – dags att vässa er förmåga?*
>
> *Co-creation is here to stay – time to sharpen your skills?*
>
>
>
> *Trainings/workshops 2020*
>
> Febr 5-7 Organizational Health and Balance – Berlin, Germany
>
> March 12 Online erfa-utbyte om Open Space-metoden (gratis!)
>
> April 2-3 Cross Cultural Conflict Resolution – Netherlands
>
> June 7-11 Från vanespår till integration – den glömda kreativiteten. Öland,
> Sweden
>   (From old habits to integration – the hidden creativity)
>
> Sept 1-3 Working with Open Space Technology - Netherlands
>
> Sept 4-5 Genuine Contact Mentoring circle, Amsterdam Netherlands
>
> Oct 25-27 Working with Whole Person Process Facilitation – Berlin, Germany
>
>
>
> *Trainings/workshops 2021*
>
> Febr 2-5 Genuine Contact Organization – Netherlands
>
> Apr 12-16 Genuine Contact Train the Trainer - Netherlands
>
>
>
> More info & registration: www.openspaceconsulting.com (Aktiviteter)
>
> Or get in touch via email tho...@openspaceconsulting.com
>
>
>
> 

Re: [OSList] the largest Open Space (Participants)?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

The Boeing two-site event couldn't have been that big that early, though
two sites was a good trick in the days before the internet was everywhere.
I think the 3000 might have been Christine Whitney-Sanchez and the Girl
Scouts.

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On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 5:27 PM Jake Yeager via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hey Lise,
>
> I'm pretty sure that Paul Gleiberman facilitated an Open Space at Boeing
> for 3,000 people. It was regarding streamlining the company's supply chain
> for its aircraft doors. The event was across two different plants and was
> held in the mid-1990s I believe.
>
> Much love,
> Jake
> 
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 11:40 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Lise in Copenhagen,
>>
>> what do you mean with "the number isn't a big deal"?
>>
>> Remembering that OST gatherings work from 0 human participants (there is
>> one reported, where a dear colleague of mine in a remote German village
>> in the Black Forest gathered a bunch of dolls, had them take on
>> different roles, facilitated the event as a sponsor and had a wonderful
>> time), and up the ladder to 2, 3, 5, 9, 12 ... up to 3000.
>>
>> I myself was part of one with 2108 as co-facilitator with HO on May 3,
>> 2003 in Würzburg, Germany. Thats at least the largest in Europe, I
>> think. Here more details in the Open Space Worldscape
>> >
>> https://openspaceworldscape.org/events/165-jetzt-meine-leidenschaft-meine-verantwortung-ueber-die-tagung-hinaus-now-my-passion-my-responsibility-beyond-the-conference
>>
>> If you scroll down to the end of that entry, you come to a very detailed
>> fotoshow with 97 pictures that Erich Kolenaty put together
>> > https://www.transformation.at/documents/OS_Wuerzburg_minimized.pdf
>>
>> Erich, you can see here in the World Map
>> > https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/worker/erich-kolenaty
>> His website talks a lot about Large Group Interventions (even though I
>> would not call OST a Large Group Intervention since it works beautifully
>> for any size of group)... here is his great website and believe it or
>> not its is there in German and English
>> > https://www.transformation.at/
>>
>> Since you asked for the biggest of all I think Peggy Holman facilitated
>> one with 2100 youngsters in Colombia... here you can see her in the
>> World Map
>> > https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/worker/peggy-holman
>>
>> and her website has a grand section on open space
>> > https://peggyholman.com/openspace/
>>
>> and a very detailed and wonderful account on the largest she ever did,
>> see here
>> >
>> https://peggyholman.com/papers/articles/good-work-for-2100-colombian-street-kids/
>>
>> and one string of os events throughout the State of Washington with 20
>> os events, probably altogether more than 2000 folks
>> > https://peggyholman.com/a-conversation-about-the-arts/
>>
>> But I do dimly remember that there was on os event with 3000 people but
>> maybe thats just a story.
>>
>> I wonder why we never had  a WOSonOS with 3000 people. Imagine we were
>> to invite everyone attached to os, participants, facilitators, sponsors
>> and met for three days.
>>
>> How about Denmark?
>>
>> Greetings from Berlin where I am off to our regular Stammtisch where we
>> have between 1 and about 20 participants... including great greek food
>> and beverages... its been going on for 12 years in the same greek pub
>> that in itself is a veritable open space organisation. But thats another
>> story
>>
>> Cheers and greetings to Copenhagen
>> mmp
>>
>>
>> Am 06.01.2020 um 16:42 schrieb Lise Damkjær via OSList:
>> > Hi Open Spacer's
>> >
>> > Do anyone know of an Open Space with more than 2400 participants?
>> > the "2400" is a number I remember from a presentation some years ago -
>> > any higher? or anyone who knows where or who did the 2400-open space?
>> > I know that the number isn't the big deal - just want to be updated;-)
>> >
>> > Lise, Copenhagen
>> >
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Re: [OSList] where to rent decent sized boards/pinboards in Syney

[Michael Herman via OSList]

here's another solution... canadian tables.

https://www.michaelherman.com/cgi/wiki.cgi?CanadianTables



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On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 2:24 PM Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Don’t have a clue… But here in the USA I would not rent – just go to your
> Lumber Yard (however you call it???) and ask for 4X8 Composition Board
> (that’s feet not meters). Basically it is pressed saw-dust and usually
> pretty cheap. At the end, you could put it on the wall and have a new
> bulletin board, give it away, or make a fire. Great Marshmallow Roast!
> That’s called “Yankee Ingenuity.” I’m sure Aussies are just as creative!
>
>
>
> ho
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Carmela Ariza via OSList
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:49 PM
> *To:* World Wide Open Space Technology Email List; kurin.sam...@gmail.com
> *Cc:* Carmela Ariza
> *Subject:* [OSList] where to rent decent sized boards/pinboards in Syney
>
>
>
> Dear OST Community in Sydney
>
>
>
> good day!
>
>
>
> I will be in Sydney to facilitate a workshop.
>
>
>
> My client is having problems finding boards.
>
>
>
> We needs the boards since we will have a lot of visualisation in
> participatory formats/methods.
>
>
>
> Kindly advise where they could rent boards in Sydney.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Carms
>
>
>
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Re: [OSList] WOSONOS Opening Invitation

[Michael Herman via OSList]

you might hit the record button on that one, barry, for the timezone
challenged.  have fun!  m

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On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:52 PM Gail West via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Thanks, Barry.  Plan to be there!  Gail
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:34 AM Barry Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Greetings folks!
>>
>> Friday 10/25 We will Open Space for the 27th annual World Open Space on
>> Open Space with the theme "Honoring the Ineffable Spirit of Open Space
>> Technology.
>>
>> We will stream this opening, and you are hereby invited to view it live.
>>
>> The ZOOM feed will begin at 8:30 AM Eastern and be over when it's over.
>>
>> Here's the link:
>>
>>  https://zoom.us/meeting/register/9ad5fb0b99142eeb7510d14dfea9e911
>>
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>> self-organize around important issues and opportunities. *
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>>
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Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 102, Issue 15

[Michael Herman via OSList]

greetings from boise, michael!  i stopped hosting files at
openspaceworld.org many years ago, long before videos came along.
everything in the os community is hosted on a passion bounded by
responsibility basis.  as hosting options have proliferated, got simple and
free people have manage their stuff for themselves.  they take better care
of it that way than i ever could.  that vision was born from your list of
links invited at osonos7 in chicago, when osw was only 6 months old.
someday, i thought, osw would be nothing but a list of links.  i still have
some of the earliest osonos notes and a few other things, but mostly osw is
portal vs archive.

m

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On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 12:51 AM Michael M Pannwitz 
wrote:

> Dear Michael Herman,
>
> is there a space for videos on our
> > https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/
>
> ??
>
> Have a grand day in Boise or wherever you are
> mmp
>
> Am 16.10.2019 um 23:40 schrieb anne stadler via OSList:
> > Video
> >
> > Please upload to Vimeo Phelim. Then anyone can see it.
> > Is there an OST Channel on which to load it—on Vimeo or somewhere,
> Harold?
> > Thanks!
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 2:19 PM  > > wrote:
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> > 1. Re: Video? (Koos de Heer)
> > 2. Re: Video? (Harold Shinsato)
> > 3. OS Training - Formation Forum Ouvert Montreal Oct 21-23
> >(Diane Gibeault)
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 22:44:29 +0200
> > From: Koos de Heer mailto:k...@auryn.nl>>
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> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Video?
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> > Generally, it is considered good internet practice to not send large
> > files to a mailing list, but a link.I am also very curious, so I
> > hope the uploading works.Met vriendelijke groet,Koos de Heer
> >  Oorspronkelijk bericht Van: Jeff Aitken via OSList
> >  > > Datum: 15-10-19  21:46
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> > Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Video? Hey Phelim. No expert here, but a
> > link seems wise. Can't wait to see it!JeffYelamu (San Francisco)On
> > Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 10:29 AM Phelim McDermott via OSList
> >  > > wrote:If I send a video in
> > an email to the OSList will people be able to see it? Or do I need
> > to upload it to something like Vimeo and send a link?
> >
> > Asking for a friend?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Phelim
> > -
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Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association for Peace and Human Understanding...?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Paul, if I remember right, the severely dehydrated need to be restored with
IV's.The water analogy is a good one though, in another sense...
We all have something we call a mind, but many people never look at mind.
People have been teaching meditation for a long time to do just that.  The
teachings vary from "sit this way" to the more direct "look at your mind."
The usual analogy is that we are like fish who don't know we are in water.
What good does awareness of water do for a fish?  Hard to say, but
awareness of mind and organization spaces seems to help people.  As for
teaching?  It's easy to point it out in a minute or a second as you say,
but it takes some work and practice to stabilize that view, in action.
Teaching or coaching can be helpful with that I think.


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On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 9:58 AM Royle, Karl via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Sounds a bit like “lifelong learning” which has been critiqued for placing
> individuals as being at fault for not fitting in with the general
> capitalist project…
>
>
>
> Just a thought…. Also see therapeutic governance ☺
>
>
>
> *From: *OSList  on behalf of Tony
> Budak via OSList 
> *Reply-To: *World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> *Date: *Tuesday, 20 August 2019 at 16:47
> *To: *"oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" 
> *Cc: *Tony Budak 
> *Subject: *Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about
> Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association
> for Peace and Human Understanding...?
>
>
>
> How about "Learning Networks that re-engage people into a learning culture
> that is relevant to their lives, supports their aspirations and recognizes
> their own inherent talents?"
>
> Please CLICK the following to set up a meeting. All my contact info is
> here:
> https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/
> 
>
> Thanks for creating our tomorrows,
> Tony
>
> On 8/19/2019 11:29 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
>
> 1st of all thank you for everyone who gave me feedback on my big idea for
> certification. It was sincerely appreciated. However I can see it was
> something that did not  Resonate well.
>
>
>
> Open space technology has clearly set the standard for the facilitation of
> peace and human understanding. It is such a powerful and simple tool but
> highly complex. As Harrison says..  chaos plows the fields of the mind so
> that new ideas can grow... I think there is ample chaos for us to tackle
> right now.
>
>
>
> I think it is highly important for the leadership of our open space world
> to make a decision now while we still have Harrison among us as a living
> spirit. Because we have already set the standards why not cement the
> standards and turn it into an everlasting association that could be
> organized to deliver training, etc. To advance the mission of human peace
> and understanding in a more organized way?
>
>
>
> If you want to be a beautician or a mechanic or a rocket scientist or a
> city manager there are associations for that .
>
>
>
> Why not an association for open space technology practitioners to define
> the standards, the ethics, code of conduct, the way that Harrison has
> already articulated them, but to formalize them and help us get organized
> and stay organized until we get the job done?
>
>
>
> Respectfully submitted,
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Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

[Michael Herman via OSList]

This reminds me of something else, Marai, that might I left out of my
previous response to Mark's question...

What is an new, uncertified, would-be, wanna-be facilitator to do about
cracking into this game?

I would say they should do just what you have done here, Marai, to tell
their own story... When I first found this "thing" I was... and there will
be all kinds of connections in that... "I was up late trying to think of
how to solve this community/organizational/technical/leadership/whatever
sort of problem or issue and i stumbled on this idea..."  and then anywhere
it goes, anything that made me think it might work "here" is the story I
can immediately and naturally tell my colleagues.  If they see it, we can
proceed.  If now, well it might not be time.

Alternatively, there is also the scenario where I stumble upon this OS
thing and I am the decision-maker, I am the one who could write the invite
and bring people together around the story/theme that is most important to
me.  So I go straight to the people I know and ask them to join me, to
address this issue that I think we might all care about.  This is even
better than the first scenario, because it goes straight to action, no
talking about process and design... just invite and get to work.  And in
this case, the "story" I tell is also same as yours, Marai.  It's still
what I call, "the story of how I/we got here."

And that is a story that anyone can tell.  Every time I work with a
leader/sponsor, I let them know they have three minutes (this thanks to
MMP, but that's another story) to welcome and address the people who've
gathered.  This "3-mins" always piques their curiosity and many think I
must have something very specific I want them to do, given that I know so
specifically how long is needed.  And I always suggest the same thing:
"simply tell the story of how we got here."

Sometimes that's the history of the company.   Sometimes it's the history
of the issue, or the journey the organizing committee traveled in choosing
this crazy way of meeting.  Sometimes it's even been how we traveled to
this conference, as 1/3 of the group was delayed by a snowstorm.  But it
always ends up being grounded in some purpose.  We always find the
organizing impetus in the chaos of the journey.

And then, when we make the agenda and everyone breaks out into the corners
of the room, without any instruction, the natural thing for each convener
to do is begin with something like, "Well, I guess we should start... Maybe
I will tell you something about how I got to writing these words in my
topic ..." and then the group directly or indirectly ends up going around
and others share their stories of how they got to thinking this issue was
important and how they decided to join this breakout and what they are
hoping might happen as a result.

And this is why I think OS is self-certifying, because it's always only
ever been about each of us certifying our own story, in the context of
working community.



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On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 12:24 PM Marai Kiele via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

>
> Only takes one minute to explain, or one second to discover.
>
>
> Which I neither believe nor agree to, Paul.
>
> If it only took one minute to explain, wouldn’t this whole list, all of
> Harrison’s books, thousands of peoples postings, conversations, training
> materials etc all be totally obsolete?
> Why would we even have any further conversation about it?
>
> *
>
> In 2002, when first I read about OST for the first time, I „got“ it, on a
> deep spiritual level.
> Half a year later I went to my first OST, which happened to be a full 2,5
> days exposure.
> I was thoroughly impacted.
>
> Afterwards, I knew that I wanted to not only „use“ OST as a process, but I
> acknowledged it as a way of living.
> And I also knew I was setting myself up for quite a journey.
>
> I learned about practicalities of setting up OST with small and large
> numbers of people, and later in online settings.
> I learned about helping a group of people to discover a burning theme.
> About when to use it and when not.
> About presence and holding space.
> About becoming an embodiment of „Whatever happens…“ which to me is quit
> different than just declaring the principle, but not living it
> And so much more...
>
> Especially I learned about the difference of using OST as a one-time event
> (conference / annual meeting …) or within a long term project / an
> organisation.
>
> To me, that difference is like having one deep conversation on the train
> with a stranger (easy, at least for me)
> OR
> building a long-term relationship, really getting to know another, on good
> days and bad days, moving through conflict, evolving together over time
> (not so easy, at least not for me)
>
> Two quite different endeavours.
>
> Not something to learn within only one minute.
> But 

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Harrison, your likening OS to breathing is true enough.  And maybe
storytelling would be a better example.  Everyone tells stories, the
audience matters, your history matters, their history matters, what works
in one story/situation won't work in another.  Every invitation is a
story.  What matters is practice, and after telling a few stories, we can
start to tell stories about the stories we've invited people into.

As for breaking into this invitation/story game, find a teacher, anyone
who's done it before, and share their stories a bit until someone lets us
do you first one.  The first time I tried to open space, the (Catholic
church) organizers were doubtful.  I told them stories I'd heard from you
and others.  Still doubtful, as those stories were about AT and other
strange places, I found a 68-year old nun you'd trained to tell her
stories, who assured them that "Catholics can indeed do this."  And I was
on my way.

>From the standpoint of storytelling, OS is self-certifying.  Better to tell
a good story about "how I did it somewhere before" than tell a story or
wave a piece of paper that says "i paid for a training and so-and-so says i
know what i'm doing."  And getting started, better to rely on others'
stories, because we still need to be able to tell them in a way that
encourages trust.  We shape their stories into our own story of what's
possible in this new situation.  If, when, we succeed, we have been
certified by our sponsors, clients, organizers, colleagues.  These people
can't outsource their work to an OS certification body, they need to
investigate the would-be facilitator/leader for themselves, listen to and
test and join the stories that the aspiring facilitator can tell, and
decide for themselves if this can work for them.  Then they certify to the
community that this event is worth attending.  Then the facilitator
certifies to the group that they are worth listening to, and following.
It's all a very circular process in some ways.

It's also linear, so I want to put a plug in for "lineage."  It matters to
me, and has mattered to some clients perhaps along my way, that I have
spent time learning and practicing with Harrison and some of his oldest
students.  They haven't necessarily met these folks, but they know some of
their stories from me and they know that I know these people.  Community
and a line of storytelling matters.  When I've sat with Tibetans teachers,
even very high lamas like Dalai Lama, they typically tell you right up
front, "This is not my teaching I'm going to give you, this is what I got
from my teacher, who got it from his teacher, who got it from her
teacher..."  This kind of expanding storytelling lineage is what allows for
the wild diversification of practice without a loss of potency.  In this
way, each branch of the teaching is an experiment, a test, in community,
that can succeed or fail on its own.  The buddhists generally draw this as
a lineage tree, with the root teacher at the bottom, rather than a
hierarchy with a certify chief or council at the top.  Some branches might
prove weak and fail, but that's okay.  There are still many other
connections to the root.

There is no need to certify practice, only to keep telling stories about
our connections to the root teacher and story.  At this point, Harrison has
been certified as root teacher by Berrett-Koehler, but that came many years
after he was certified by a community of practitioners who read the book
where he self-certified his own experiences with OS, where he told his own
stories and invited others to try them with and without him.

So what we really need to do is keep going back to that root practice,
shared right up in the introduction to the user's guide, simply and
profoundly:  Try this this thing.  See what happens.  Tell the story.  Try
it again and see if you can do it better.  Everything that comes after that
in the user's guide is just one story of how it might work.

In this way, the answer to Jake's question to MMP a couple messages ago,
about when does the length of the OS meeting get determined, the answer
would be "before the event begins" in a thousand different stories about
how/why/when the sponsors determined, with the facilitator (or not!) how
long it should be... AND... it would be the same story for every single OS
event all of us have ever facilitated... the duration was ultimately, i.e.
in the end, determined by the participants themselves.

Michael



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On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:38 AM Chris Corrigan via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Inspired by Harrison’s reflections here, I’ll offer one final thought on
> this thread, and then I’m out.  This is a well known story that is often
> used to apply to gossip, but I believe can be applied to the folly of
> trying to capture and encase what Harrison and and few thousand other
> people have 

Re: [OSList] OST for Mission/Vision and Strategic Planning?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

When people have called asking for vision/mission development, I've always
echoed the User's Guide:  what goes up in the first hour IS the vision.
what's on the wall will get done.  anything not on the wall probably won't
get done.  in the meeting and in the year (or other planning period).  then
i ask them what we should do with the rest of their time.  the obvious
answer is to get into the details, get on with doing the work.

from this perspective, i hear the second part of your question, about
strategic plan, as "how do we keep it going."  one way is surely to use the
day(s) to detail the plan(s).  but more generally, i think it's worth
noticing that a strategic plan is just one way of trying to keep the work
going.  it might be to keep the marketplace wall open and edit as we go.
(we call open space "the practice of peace" but sometimes a room with
everything on the wall is called a "war room" -- go figure.)  it might also
or instead be some of the rules from university of kentucky rural health
system, from harrison's tales from open space book.  it might be trello
boards online.  it might be simply the usual sort of proceedings document,
per the user's guide.  what it doesn't necessarily do is "qualify" as a
"strategic plan."  what it needs to do is keep the space open and the work
emerging with something of the ease that it does in an open space meeting
event.

Michael

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On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 8:49 AM Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> My theme: “Where have we been, where are we now, where are we going?:
> Issues and opportunities” Multi site gatherings are much easier now given
> Zoom and all the rest. A little “Control Room” group to coordinate and
> update postings, reports, etc helps. Any good techie should have the goods.
> If the time-zone spread is small total realtime operation is simple. With a
> large spread, you do have to be a little creative. What seems to happen in
> those cases is that all sites go on a shared global time. A residential
> setting is most helpful.
>
>
>
> ho
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jake Yeager via OSList
> *Sent:* Monday, August 12, 2019 10:26 AM
> *To:* Chris Kloth
> *Cc:* Jake Yeager; World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] OST for Mission/Vision and Strategic Planning?
>
>
>
> Hey Chris,
>
>
>
> Thanks so much for your response! It's very helpful to hear your
> experience, and it's awesome how the partnership you mentioned is still
> active!
>
>
>
> If you don't mind, I have a few follow-up questions for you:
>
>- What were the themes for the OSs with Carbarundum and the non-profit
>partnership? It seems the groups covered a lot of ground!
>- I am an internal consultant, and our organization has multiple
>sites. I love that you facilitated an OS across sites! What do you
>recommend for executing an OS when there are multiple sites?
>
> Thank you so much Chris!
>
>
>
> Also, if anyone else on the list wants to share recommendations for
> executing OS cross-site, please do!
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Jake
>
> 
>
>
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>
>  - Robert Adams 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:46 PM Chris Kloth 
> wrote:
>
> Ralph Copleman, Barbara Bunker, and I used OST with a division of
> Carbarundum that had just been sold. It included virtually 100% of the
> employees of the new organization in two geographic locations
> simultaneously... one in the eastern US and one in the midwest. We had
> ti use dial-up computer access and fax machines to communicate what
> was going on at each location each round! By the end of the process
> there was a new mission, vision, values and basic organization
> structure.
>
> I used OST as part of the process of forming a collaborative
> partnership among 4 nonprofit organizations providing early childhood
> care and education to very different types of children, resulting in a
> mission, vision, and values, as well as articulating a plan for the
> first two years of their partnership. That partnership is now almost
> 25 years old. It's members have internalized the principles of OST.
>
>
> --
> Shalom,
>
> Chris Kloth
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> 254 South Merkle Road
> Bexley, OH 43209-1801
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> fax 614-237-2347
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>
> Think globally. Act locally.
>
>
> Quoting Jake Yeager via OSList :
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Has anyone ever used OST 1) to develop a mission and/or vision statement
> or
> > 2) to conduct strategic planning? If so, how did it go? Any
> recommendations?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Much love as always,
> > Jake
> >
> > P.S. Hope to see you at WOSonOS so I can thank you in person! :)
> > 

Re: [OSList] Open Space in Prison

[Michael Herman via OSList]

matches, mmp?

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On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 11:55 PM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Yes Chris, it is an amazing success.
> Exactly what I would expect.
> But still amazing.
>
> By the way, a search in the LIST archives reveals that Birgit, then
> Bolton, has an entry in 1998 and you responded to it a week later... and
> Lisa Heft has an entry in 2005 that started a string...
> In all there are 415 matches.
>
> Keep it going.
> mmp
>
> Am 02.08.2019 um 05:09 schrieb Chris Kloth via OSList:
> > This week I have been doing some work with Adam Foss and his Prosecutor
> > Impact program in Columbus, Ohio. USA. (See link below)
> >
> > As part of this two week program we took 40+ prosecutors to Marion
> > Correctional Institution for the day. Most had never been in a prison.
> > Without going into the details, a group of 12 inmates organized a day of
> > activities to provide the prosecutors to explore what it might mean to
> > re-imagine the roles of prosecutors on the criminal justice system in
> > the US and in Ohio.
> >
> > We entered a very large chapel in the prison and discovered a very large
> > circle of chairs. Imagine my surprise when Wayne, a lifer, said that
> > while he had been inside he had learned about a process called Open
> > Space Technology and entered into a brief review of the Principles and
> > the Law! He sent markers around the circle, explaining that they were
> > serving as both a talking sticks and ways to identify topics... an
> > approach that accommodated the security concerns reflected in prison
> > policies.
> >
> > Purists might raise a number of questions about how the process was
> > planned and executed, but if the essence is opening space for people to
> > organize themselves to have several rounds of dialogue within the
> > Principles and the Laws... I call it an amazing success. If inmates and
> > prosecutors crying and embracing as part of the closing circle... I call
> > it an amazing success.
> >
> > Before we left I asked Wayne how he learned about OST. He said he found
> > this "old green book" in the prison library!
> >
> > I have been blessed to have experienced and convened many OST
> > experiences that left me feeling deeply touched, but I suspect this
> > session will always live deep  in my heart as one of the most profound!
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.ted.com/talks/adam_foss_a_prosecutor_s_vision_for_a_better_justice_system/discussion
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [OSList] Open Space in Prison

[Michael Herman via OSList]

wow.  just WOW.  awesome.  thank you, chris!  wow.

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On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 9:10 PM Chris Kloth via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> This week I have been doing some work with Adam Foss and his
> Prosecutor Impact program in Columbus, Ohio. USA. (See link below)
>
> As part of this two week program we took 40+ prosecutors to Marion
> Correctional Institution for the day. Most had never been in a prison.
> Without going into the details, a group of 12 inmates organized a day
> of activities to provide the prosecutors to explore what it might mean
> to re-imagine the roles of prosecutors on the criminal justice system
> in the US and in Ohio.
>
> We entered a very large chapel in the prison and discovered a very
> large circle of chairs. Imagine my surprise when Wayne, a lifer, said
> that while he had been inside he had learned about a process called
> Open Space Technology and entered into a brief review of the
> Principles and the Law! He sent markers around the circle, explaining
> that they were serving as both a talking sticks and ways to identify
> topics... an approach that accommodated the security concerns
> reflected in prison policies.
>
> Purists might raise a number of questions about how the process was
> planned and executed, but if the essence is opening space for people
> to organize themselves to have several rounds of dialogue within the
> Principles and the Laws... I call it an amazing success. If inmates
> and prosecutors crying and embracing as part of the closing circle...
> I call it an amazing success.
>
> Before we left I asked Wayne how he learned about OST. He said he
> found this "old green book" in the prison library!
>
> I have been blessed to have experienced and convened many OST
> experiences that left me feeling deeply touched, but I suspect this
> session will always live deep  in my heart as one of the most profound!
>
>
>
> https://www.ted.com/talks/adam_foss_a_prosecutor_s_vision_for_a_better_justice_system/discussion
>
>
> --
> Shalom,
>
> Chris Kloth
> ChangeWorks of the Heartland
> 254 South Merkle Road
> Bexley, OH 43209-1801
> ph 614-239-1336
> fax 614-237-2347
> www.got2change.com
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to

[Michael Herman via OSList]



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On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 2:54 PM Chris Corrigan via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> I strongly agree with Koos.
>
> No.
>
> Chris Corrigan.
>
> On Aug 1, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Koos de Heer via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> No thanks. I suggest you scan the archive of this list at
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/ to
> find out why. There are over 1,000 matches on “certified” or
> “certification.” No use repeating this discussion over and over again.
>
> *Van:* OSList  *Namens *Mark
> Carmel via OSList
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 1 augustus 2019 21:36
> *Aan:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> *CC:* Mark Carmel 
> *Onderwerp:* [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if
> that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money
> OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to
> become CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE TECHNOLOGISTS???
>
> Dear World Wide Open Space Technologists,
>
> ALL we have to do ONLY requires a collective DECISION.
>
> Here is the question:  Are you IN or out?
>
> Mark Carmel
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Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin

[Michael Herman via OSList]

After 30 years of people sharing their questions, stories, practice
materials and more, all of which ultimately traces back to the original
practice and User's Guide... and... after many guides and papers,
Harrison's and many others, have been freely available for reading,
downloading, sharing, etc for many years, what exactly is this
accomplishing?  How would anyone know that they are deriving something from
this Ref Def vs. some other materials?   Why would it matter?  Seems this
just imposes some new rules on something that has worked pretty wonderfully
for a long time?  But why?


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On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 5:05 PM Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> "Why then was there a need for this 'copyright' with Creative Commons,
> Open Source that affirms definition and ownership as well as also giving it
> away..with due credit of course?"
>
> Who knows? Who cares? I don't.
>
> ho
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Birgitt Williams via OSList 
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> Cc: Birgitt Williams 
> Sent: Wed, Jun 12, 2019 6:37 pm
> Subject: Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin
>
> Thank you Harrison, I have understood that even though a copyright is in
> place for the book, that since you are the copyright holder you then had
> the freedom to 'give OST away'. A gift that I among countless many
> appreciate.
>
> Why then was there a need for this 'copyright' with Creative Commons, Open
> Source that affirms definition and ownership as well as also giving it
> away..with due credit of course?
>
> As for breathing, I personally am giving it my best go.
>
> Birgitt
>
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> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 6:07 PM Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Birgitt, I guess I am about as confused  as you are. Open Space (OST) is
> and has been free ever since. True, the book(s) were copyrighted, but that
> was just a matter of custom, so far as I was concerned. When
> Berrett-Koehler took over my books, being a commercial operation they
> covered their investments with copyright. As they should. The book WAS
> copyrighted. Open Space was not, could never be, and was as always FREE.
> Birthright of every creature on the planet. It's who we are, how we are,
> what we do ... rather like breathing. Can't patent, can't copy write, Of
> course you could just STOP (breathing).
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Birgitt Williams via OSList 
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> Cc: Birgitt Williams 
> Sent: Wed, Jun 12, 2019 4:57 pm
> Subject: Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin
>
> Hi all,
> I would appreciate some clarification please.
>
> 1.I remember taking/sponsoring OST training with Harrison as the trainer,
> seven times, in those early days of helping OST get better understood to
> those interested in better understanding it. I see on this list frequently
> comments about Harrison not doing training in OST and yet my lived
> experience was different...and I am much better off in oh so many ways for
> having had the benefit of that time with Harrison and the training. 

Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 97, Issue 13

[Michael Herman via OSList]

would that be the video where you set the record for shortest opening
briefing?

--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org




On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 6:48 PM Chris Corrigan via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> On this page I have a basic outline for the script I use, plus a video of
> me doing it:
>
> http://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/open-space-resources/
>
> Chris
>
> On May 15, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> That is right Harrison Owen it IS in the book.  THE Bible  Of cooperation
> communication and collaboration the highest life forms of the human spirit.
> When I set the world record you know open space in 1993 for convening the
> largest conference in the world at that time of 700 people I was scared to
> death and I followed The Bible. Now 26 years later  Segments of our
> community school system have been transformed  Significantly for the better
> with incredible success stories by the people who acted to step up and take
> responsibility.   One of the problems in our world right now is people are
> so distracted they don't  Listen or try to understand. It's in the book.
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2019, 2:57 PM 
> wrote:
>
>> Send OSList mailing list submissions to
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
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>>
>>1. Re: Sample Opening Script for Open Space w/o Time Slots?
>>   (Anna Caroline T?rk)
>>2. Re: Sample Opening Script for Open Space w/o Time Slots?
>>   (Harrison Owen)
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 23:39:33 +0200
>> From: Anna Caroline T?rk 
>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> 
>> Cc: Jake Yeager , Michael Herman
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Sample Opening Script for Open Space w/o Time
>> Slots?
>> Message-ID: 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> You can also go to the resource page on boscop.org and listen to an
>> audio of Jo T?pfer.
>>
>> Enjoy!
>> Anna Caroline
>>
>> Anna Caroline T?rk
>>
>> + 49 (0) 176 248 72254
>> Skype: AnnaCarolineTuerk
>>
>> www.TruthCircles.com <http://www.truthcircles.com/>
>>
>>
>> > On 14. May 2019, at 22:17, Michael Herman via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > congrats on the first opening, jake.  there's a sample opening script
>> in my training and practice guide.  i crafted that from the user's guide in
>> 1996 and have annotated it along the way.
>> https://www.michaelherman.com/publications/inviting_leadership_guide.pdf
>> ...see page 44.
>> >
>> > michael
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Michael Herman
>> > Michael Herman Associates
>> > 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>> >
>> > http://MichaelHerman.com <http://michaelherman.com/>
>> > http://OpenSpaceWorld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 5:14 PM Jake Yeager via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> >> Hi everyone,
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone have a sample opening script for an Open Space without
>> time slots?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> All the best,
>> >> Jake
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again,
>> and you will be free of problems.
>> >>  - Robert Adams
>> >> ___
>> >> OSList mailing list
>> >> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
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>> >> To subscribe or m

Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 97, Issue 13

[Michael Herman via OSList]

never could figure out how to get the book into my back pocket, but i
carried my two-page scripts/notes FROM the book, in my pocket for years, at
first for reference, then just in case, then for just because i always
had.  shared it years ago, but annotated it recently -- with some things
from my own experience that might not be in the book!


--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org




On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 6:41 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> That is right Harrison Owen it IS in the book.  THE Bible  Of cooperation
> communication and collaboration the highest life forms of the human spirit.
> When I set the world record you know open space in 1993 for convening the
> largest conference in the world at that time of 700 people I was scared to
> death and I followed The Bible. Now 26 years later  Segments of our
> community school system have been transformed  Significantly for the better
> with incredible success stories by the people who acted to step up and take
> responsibility.   One of the problems in our world right now is people are
> so distracted they don't  Listen or try to understand. It's in the book.
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2019, 2:57 PM 
> wrote:
>
>> Send OSList mailing list submissions to
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>
>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org
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>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>1. Re: Sample Opening Script for Open Space w/o Time Slots?
>>   (Anna Caroline T?rk)
>>2. Re: Sample Opening Script for Open Space w/o Time Slots?
>>   (Harrison Owen)
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 23:39:33 +0200
>> From: Anna Caroline T?rk 
>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> 
>> Cc: Jake Yeager , Michael Herman
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Sample Opening Script for Open Space w/o Time
>> Slots?
>> Message-ID: 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> You can also go to the resource page on boscop.org and listen to an
>> audio of Jo T?pfer.
>>
>> Enjoy!
>> Anna Caroline
>>
>> Anna Caroline T?rk
>>
>> + 49 (0) 176 248 72254
>> Skype: AnnaCarolineTuerk
>>
>> www.TruthCircles.com
>>
>>
>> > On 14. May 2019, at 22:17, Michael Herman via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > congrats on the first opening, jake.  there's a sample opening script
>> in my training and practice guide.  i crafted that from the user's guide in
>> 1996 and have annotated it along the way.
>> https://www.michaelherman.com/publications/inviting_leadership_guide.pdf
>> ...see page 44.
>> >
>> > michael
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Michael Herman
>> > Michael Herman Associates
>> > 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>> >
>> > http://MichaelHerman.com
>> > http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 5:14 PM Jake Yeager via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> >> Hi everyone,
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone have a sample opening script for an Open Space without
>> time slots?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> All the best,
>> >> Jake
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again,
>> and you will be free of problems.
>> >>  - Robert Adams
>> >> ___
>> >> OSList mailing list
>> >> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
>> >> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
>> >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
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>> >> Past archives can be

Re: [OSList] Sample Opening Script for Open Space w/o Time Slots?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

congrats on the first opening, jake.  there's a sample opening script in my
training and practice guide.  i crafted that from the user's guide in 1996
and have annotated it along the way.
https://www.michaelherman.com/publications/inviting_leadership_guide.pdf
...see page 44.

michael

--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org




On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 5:14 PM Jake Yeager via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone have a sample opening script for an Open Space without time
> slots?
>
> Thanks!
>
> All the best,
> Jake
> 
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
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Re: [OSList] How long for opening for smaller group?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Depends on what you include in "opening."  Yesterday I facilitated a
one-day meeting.  50 people.  I always make the breakouts the same length.
Between that and limits imposed by my client, I had to "schedule" the
opening for 30 minutes, knowing it would really take 45.  Which it did.
And everything worked fine.  But that 30 minutes didn't include the 30
minutes prior to that for gathering and eating breakfast foods.  With a
free hand, I'd have called it 8:00 gathering, 8:15 opening, 9:00
breakouts... but they'd already pushed out the "8:30 start".  Doesn't
matter.  The opening wouldn't have started at exactly 8:15 anyway.
Wouldn't be far off, I think, to say that the gathering and opening time is
about as long as one breakout session and that might range from 20 to 90
minutes.  But 20 minutes is a really abridged version some might take issue
with as "not open space."  Whatever that means.  Not what I prefer, but I
think it's happened.  The place I'm thinking about was a monthly networking
group.  Otherwise, 30 mins is probably shortest I've seen.  But you have to
include the gathering time.  My answer to "how long should the opening be?"
is "how long will it take everyone to arrive and be ready to begin?"

--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org




On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 11:09 AM Tom Brown via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Jeff & Jake,
> I’ve also done these mini open spaces.  With greater and lesser success.
> When I have times much smaller than 2 hours I tend to think of using Lean
> Coffee as a form of (Open Space Light).  Because of the amount of basic
> opening and closing overhead build into Open Space is not justified as a
> percentage of the overall time available. I want to get folks interacting.
> Not listing to someone set things up.
>
> With Lean Coffee, If I have a larger group (20 and more), then breaking
> the group down into groups of less than 20 or so seems to be important for
> Lean Coffee.  Also a Table or wall is helpful with Lean Coffee to post
> topics.
>
> --Tom Brown
> tgb...@gmail.com
> On Apr 10, 2019, 11:52 AM -0400, Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>, wrote:
>
> Hi. One evening we only had two hours for 130 people. So the design was 30
> minutes opening, two 30 minute session times, and a 30 minute closing. It
> was a lively loud church hall full of Occupy activists, raising the spirit
> and the roof.
>
> If we had 3 hours we would have planned 45 minutes for each.
>
> Jeff
> San Francisco
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 4:55 AM Barry Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Greetings Jake! My experience is that virtually every space I've opened,
>> the opening is @ 45 minutes - I "schedule" an hour for it.
>>
>> Larger groups can take longer just because the Marketplace is more busy.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> b
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>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 6:47 AM Jake Yeager via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone,
>>>
>>> I am helping to arrange an Open Space for about 30 participants. In
>>> Harrison's *User Guide* he indicates 1.5 hours for the opening. This
>>> seems a little long for a smaller group. What does everyone think?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Jake
>>> 
>>>
>>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
>>> you will be free of problems.
>>>  - Robert Adams 
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Re: [OSList] OS Training in Marseille - April and November

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Could add this to the openspaceworld.org calendar, Diane.



On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 09:25 Diane Gibeault via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> You are right Harrison, here is another training being offered.
>
> Josée Meyer will be facilitating an Open Space learning 3 day event in
> French, in Marseille France this April and November. She is an
> experienced OS facilitator who models OS as a way of being.
>
> Thank you for sharing this with friends and colleagues who may be
> interested.
>
> Diane
>
> *Formation Forum Ouvert *à *Marseille* les *2, 3, 4 avril* 2019 et les *5,
> 6, 7 novembre* 2019
>
> Avec l’intention de faire découvrir la richesse et la puissance d’une
> démarche en intelligence collective, Josée Meyer a élaboré un cycle de
> formation sur l’approche Forum Ouvert (Open Space Technology) en étroite
> collaboration avec Diane Gibeault facilitatrice professionnelle canadienne
> (International Association of Facilitators), praticienne et formatrice du
> Forum Ouvert depuis plus de 25 ans.
>
> Le Forum Ouvert, est une démarche en intelligence collective et une
> approche participative de facilitation pour des groupes de 5 à plus de 2000
> personnes.
>
> Josée Meyer formée depuis plusieurs années à cette méthode, offrira cette 
> *formation
> Forum Ouvert*
> <http://www.coaching-ifod-provence.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/forum_ouvert_fiche_v2.pdf>
>  à
> Marseille en collaboration avec* IFOD Provence*. Un véritable Forum
> Ouvert est expérimenté lors de la formation comme support pratique au
> contenu théorique.
>
> Josée Meyer
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jos%C3%A9e-meyer-6020bb18/?originalSubdomain=fr>
>   est fondatrice de JMConsulting et facilite en Forum Ouvert des groupes
> de plus de 350 personnes, que ce soit des entreprises privées, publiques ou
> des associations. Elle pratique en France les métiers de l’accompagnement
> individuel, d’équipe et d'organisation depuis plus de 20 ans et est membre
> du bureau de la SF COACH région PACA depuis 2017.
>
> *Diane Gibeault* <http://www.dianegibeault.com/>, formée auprès
> d’Harrison Owen créateur de l’approche, est co-auteur du *« Livre blanc
> sur le Forum Ouvert : Changez votre organisation avec cœur et élan »*,
> préfacé par H. Owen.
>
>
>
> __
> On Friday, February 22, 2019, 8:49:16 a.m. EST, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> I don’t know the Phelim is offering any… but he surely could  Others as
> well.
>
>   ho
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Thomas Herrmann via OSList
> *Sent:* Friday, February 22, 2019 1:26 AM
> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Cc:* Thomas Herrmann
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Fwd: OpenSpaceWorld.ORG "OST Training information
> required in london"
>
> In case there is more interested people. We have a hot offer to learn to
> work with OST upcoming, in September!
>
> So this is what I wrote Bianca
>
> I am part of a team offering public Open Space Technology training on
> regular basis in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany with participants from
> many, mainly European, countries. Our next planned offer is in early
> September.
> See link:
> https://www.dorisgottlieb.com/workshops/2017/9/6/learning-to-work-with-open-space-technology
>
> We also offer in-house trainings whenever there is an interest.
>
> Please get in touch if you have any more questions.
> Best regards
> Thomas
>
> Skickat från min iPhone
>
> 22 feb. 2019 kl. 05:40 skrev Michael Herman via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Who's doing training in or around London these days?  This person is not
> on the list here.  Please reply directly with London info, if you can..
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: *Bianca*
> Date: Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 6:08 AM
> Subject: "OST Training information required in london"
> To: 
>
> From: Bianca 
> Subject: OST Training information required in london
>
> Message Body:
> Dear Team
>
> I am looking to develop my skills in becoming an open space trainer - Can
> you help me with a list of training programmes that might be available in
> and around London
>
> Best wishes,
> Bianca
>
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Re: [OSList] OS Training in Berlin - April/Mai 2019

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Could post on the open, shared training calendar at openspaceworld.org, Jo.



On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 00:39 Jo Toepfer via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> we'll conduct an Open Space Training in April / May this year in Berlin. A
> five days training spread over one month - basically every Monday.
> Unfortunately, in German language. More details here
> <https://reinblau.de/methoden/openspace-training/>.
>
> Greetings from Kabul
> Jo
>
> *
> Am 22.02.19 um 19:55 schrieb Diane Gibeault via OSList:
>
> You are right Harrison, here is another training being offered.
>
> Josée Meyer will be facilitating an Open Space learning 3 day event in
> French, in Marseille France this April and November. She is an
> experienced OS facilitator who models OS as a way of being.
>
> Thank you for sharing this with friends and colleagues who may be
> interested.
>
> Diane
>
> *Formation Forum Ouvert *à *Marseille* les *2, 3, 4 avril* 2019 et les *5,
> 6, 7 novembre* 2019
>
> Avec l’intention de faire découvrir la richesse et la puissance d’une
> démarche en intelligence collective, Josée Meyer a élaboré un cycle de
> formation sur l’approche Forum Ouvert (Open Space Technology) en étroite
> collaboration avec Diane Gibeault facilitatrice professionnelle canadienne
> (International Association of Facilitators), praticienne et formatrice du
> Forum Ouvert depuis plus de 25 ans.
>
> Le Forum Ouvert, est une démarche en intelligence collective et une
> approche participative de facilitation pour des groupes de 5 à plus de 2000
> personnes.
>
> Josée Meyer formée depuis plusieurs années à cette méthode, offrira cette 
> *formation
> Forum Ouvert*
> <http://www.coaching-ifod-provence.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/forum_ouvert_fiche_v2.pdf>
>  à
> Marseille en collaboration avec* IFOD Provence*. Un véritable Forum
> Ouvert est expérimenté lors de la formation comme support pratique au
> contenu théorique.
>
> Josée Meyer
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jos%C3%A9e-meyer-6020bb18/?originalSubdomain=fr>
>   est fondatrice de JMConsulting et facilite en Forum Ouvert des groupes
> de plus de 350 personnes, que ce soit des entreprises privées, publiques ou
> des associations. Elle pratique en France les métiers de l’accompagnement
> individuel, d’équipe et d'organisation depuis plus de 20 ans et est membre
> du bureau de la SF COACH région PACA depuis 2017.
>
> *Diane Gibeault* <http://www.dianegibeault.com/>, formée auprès
> d’Harrison Owen créateur de l’approche, est co-auteur du *« Livre blanc
> sur le Forum Ouvert : Changez votre organisation avec cœur et élan »*,
> préfacé par H. Owen.
>
>
>
> __
> On Friday, February 22, 2019, 8:49:16 a.m. EST, Harrison Owen via OSList
>   wrote:
>
> I don’t know the Phelim is offering any… but he surely could  Others as
> well.
>
>   ho
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Thomas Herrmann
> via OSList
> *Sent:* Friday, February 22, 2019 1:26 AM
> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Cc:* Thomas Herrmann
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Fwd: OpenSpaceWorld.ORG "OST Training information
> required in london"
>
> In case there is more interested people. We have a hot offer to learn to
> work with OST upcoming, in September!
>
> So this is what I wrote Bianca
>
> I am part of a team offering public Open Space Technology training on
> regular basis in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany with participants from
> many, mainly European, countries. Our next planned offer is in early
> September.
> See link:
> https://www.dorisgottlieb.com/workshops/2017/9/6/learning-to-work-with-open-space-technology
>
> We also offer in-house trainings whenever there is an interest.
>
> Please get in touch if you have any more questions.
> Best regards
> Thomas
>
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 22 feb. 2019 kl. 05:40 skrev Michael Herman via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Who's doing training in or around London these days?  This person is not
> on the list here.  Please reply directly with London info, if you can..
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: *Bianca*
> Date: Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 6:08 AM
> Subject: "OST Training information required in london"
> To: 
>
> From: Bianca 
> Subject: OST Training information required in london
>
> Message Body:
> Dear Team
>
> I am looking to develop my skills in becoming an open space trainer - Can
> you help me with a list of training programmes that might be available in
> and around London

Re: [OSList] Feedback Requested on OST Invitation

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Unless your people already know OS, I'd mix those references, Jake. Replace
with open forum or working session or summit event or summit series. This
avoids question and debate about "the process. "  anyone who knows open
space will still be able to recognize it in your description of what will
happen.

I read quickly and did f notice if this is first of many. If you're
committed to more, I'd mention that.

Also, in the invite or in confirming correspondence to registrants, I reg
will be done, it would be worth making a point about the importance of
being ready when the opening starts. Not exactly saying "don't be late."
 That would counter one of our principles. But we can reinforce the value
of being ready and the importance of the opening time. Especially when
meeting online.

More if you like when we talk this week.

Michael


On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 00:29 Chris Altmikus @ iDeA-Link via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi Jake,
>
> I particularly appreciate your offering an important intention to the
> group in the invitation… Why is this important to you, to us and to our
> organisation …
>
> Kindly
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Chris M. Altmikus
> Chemin de la Bovarde 37
> CH-1091 Grandvaux
>
> ph +41 21 799 31 34
> m  +41 78 935 31 34
> chris.altmi...@idea-link.eu
> http://www.idea-link.eu
>
> Le 26 févr. 2019 à 01:17, Jake Yeager via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> a écrit :
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've composed my first OST invitation and would love your feedback. I
> reproduced the invitation below. It will be included in a calendar invite
> that will have the date and time.
>
> Thanks ahead of time for any comments!
>
> All the best,
> Jake
>
> 
>
> Co-Create our Team’s Future?
>
>
> Our team’s purpose is to ensure that Navy Federal’s Lending division takes
> prudent risk and maximizes profitability, all while upholding a preeminent
> member experience. This is no small feat: challenges arise that require
> that we stretch ourselves to innovate, to break new ground, to open new
> horizons. Recent challenges include CECL, AnyLogic simulation, SRM Mission
> and Automation, and credit card optimization. We surmount these
> challenges because we collaborate to share our knowledge; because we ask
> tough, insightful questions; and because we push ourselves to grow and
> achieve excellence.
>
>
> But there are always intractable issues that cause headaches, and there
> are opportunities that wither for lack of time or attention. What are the
> issues that our team faces, and how can we solve them? What are the
> opportunities that lie before us, and how can we maximize them? How can we
> co-create our future to work more seamlessly, to be more agile and
> innovative, and to enhance our well-being? What does that look like, and
> how can we get there?
>
>
> I invite you to an Open Space in order to explore these questions. Open
> Space is a highly participatory process that has been successfully employed
> in multiple situations all over the world. Our Open Space will be via
> WebEx, so that all team members can participate together if they want.
>
>
> This first gathering will kick off our Open Space. Here is a schedule:
>
>
> 1:00 – 2:00pm ETOpening
> 2:00 – 3:00pm ETSession I
>
>
> After the kickoff, we will have a dedicated Open Space session each month.
> However, you are welcome to hold sessions outside of that time slot. It’s
> really up to you: your passion and responsibility drives this process.
>
>
> I can assure you that by the end of our Open Space:
>
>
> 1.Every issue of concern to anybody will have been raised, if they
> took responsibility for doing that.
> 2.All issues will have received full discussion, to the extent
> desired.
> 3.A full report of issues and discussions will be in the hands of all
> participants.
> 4.Action plans will be made and priorities set.
>
>
> Hope to see you there!
>
>
> All the best,
> Jake
> 
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
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[OSList] Fwd: OpenSpaceWorld.ORG "OST Training information required in london"

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Who's doing training in or around London these days?  This person is not on
the list here.  Please reply directly with London info, if you can...


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Date: Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 6:08 AM
Subject: "OST Training information required in london"
To: 


From: Bianca 
Subject: OST Training information required in london

Message Body:
Dear Team

I am looking to develop my skills in becoming an open space trainer - Can
you help me with a list of training programmes that might be available in
and around London

Best wishes,
Bianca
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[OSList] Fwd: The Practice of Peace (2nd Edition) Book

[Michael Herman via OSList]

The request copied below came in today.  Do we have any more copies of the
Practice of Peace book?  If anyone is still curating a pile of these, could
you be in touch with Martin?  Thanks, Michael

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-- Forwarded message -
From: Martin 
Date: Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:04 PM
Subject: The Practice of Peace (2nd Edition) Book -
https://openspaceworld.com/intro%20to%20pop.htm
To: 


Hello,

I'm looking to purchase a copy of Harrison Owen's book: The Practice of
Peace (2nd Edition) Book

I've got this contact information from this page:
https://openspaceworld.com/intro%20to%20pop.htm

Please let me know if or when a copy of this book would be available.

Thank you,

Martin
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Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 93, Issue 7

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>> > 
>> > John Watkins, Ed.D.
>> > Co-Director, The Deeper Learning Dozen
>> > Inquiry & Learning for Change
>> > 517 59th Street
>> > Oakland CA 94609
>> > 510-388-9370
>> > johnw...@mac.com
>> > http://inquirylearningchange.com
>> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnmwatkins
>> > http://www.facebook.com/InquiryandLearningforChange
>> >
>> > ?Today the cutting-edge work for wisdom driven people is to build wisdom
>> > driven organizations.? - TheTransitioner - Pioneers
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>> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:03:15 +1100
>> From: R Chaffe 
>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Report From The Field
>> Message-ID: <98ec0260-a63a-4565-83bd-cb4a56905...@gmail.com>
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>>
>> A great reference is a song from the King and I, ?getting to know
>> you..?
>> Once you get to know the potential participants you will know how to
>> phrase your invitation.  The song continues ?getting to know all about
>> you?.   To do this you need to probe with observation (you have two eyes)
>> and questions (one mouth) use your senses in the proportion they are given
>> you ie twice as much listening to talking!
>>
>> As Harrison said in one of his first books the drums start and stop, then
>> start and stop probing the audience and then when the question and the time
>> is right someone will reply and others join in.  As we think about an event
>> we must context it in the current reality, the event or basic question
>> might be very important to us but until it s important to others very
>> little real work can be done.
>>
>> Peter Sandman has a simple equation Risk = hazard by outrage.  Look it up
>> on the web. Basically Peter suggests that until our interest or outrage is
>> closely related to the actual hazard in question we struggle to achieve
>> dialogue.  Dialogue is critical to success in most enterprises, I would say
>> all but there is an exception somewhere I am sure, all arguments in complex
>> systems are not very helpful.
>>
>> Best of luck in ?Getting to know you, getting to know all about
>> you...?.Note the lyrics of the King and I and South Pacific are well
>> worth reading they expose the difficulties of relationships and explore
>> what success looks like.  We worth the effort.
>>
>> Regards
>> Rob
>>
>> > On 10 Jan 2019, at 12:47 pm, Michael Herman via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Daniel... "misses the mark" ...i meant any time you issue an invitation
>> and don't get what you wanted or expected.  The option is always there to
>> try to understand whatever happened, make

Re: [OSList] Report From The Field

[Michael Herman via OSList]

> statues of Harrison Owen in town squares everywhere


i've heard there are already hundreds if not thousands of them sprinkled
around the globe.  all invisible, of course!



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On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 5:28 PM markacarmel  wrote:

> Thank you Sir Michael Herman, I remember you for sure.
> Mark
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>  Original message 
> From: Michael Herman 
> Date: 1/8/19 3:57 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> Cc: Mark Carmel , Thomas Herrmann <
> tho...@openspaceconsulting.com>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Report From The Field
>
> I looked hard at your name, Mark, and didn't recognize it. But I have
> heard your story, and even told a very abbreviated version from time to
> time!  Thanks!  And thanks Harrison for making that connection. Michael
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 15:55 Thomas Herrmann via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Great read!
>> Now I will sleep well.
>> Opening Space tomorrow, warms my 
>> We rock
>> Appreciatively
>> Thomas
>>
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>
>> 8 jan. 2019 kl. 23:47 skrev Harrison Owen via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>
>> For reasons known only to the CyberGods I somehow missed Mark’s offering.
>> But I didn’t miss what followed… Mark’s language is (0n occasion) off
>> putting. But having known him for a long time, his heart is definitely in
>> the right place (even if it isn’t YOUR place). J
>>
>>
>>
>> When I first meet Mark (25 years ago?) he had the exalted title of
>> Superintendant of Roads (I think) in a Colorado County -- Pueblo. I don’t
>> know what that totally involved – but one thing was the snow plowing
>> operations on some of the nastiest parts of the American Rockies. Serious
>> business with marginal room for error lest you go over the edge. Each Fall,
>> the plow operators would be gathered for a “education” session on “better
>> plowing.” Experts would hold forth, and the drivers, presumably, got
>> smarter. Then came Mark. He turned the gathering over to the real experts
>> (the drivers) – and it was all in Open Space. Came up with a catchy title:
>> Roads Scholars! Then it seemed that the Governor of Colorado needed to work
>> with all “his” County Execs. Mark was called upon for the job. He ended up
>> as a County Executive … which is a political job equal to President in many
>> (smaller) countries. Frankly, I have always stood in awe of Mark – opening
>> space in the middle of a political morass. He’s good – but definitely odd.
>> I’m pleased to call him my friend.
>>
>>
>>
>> ho
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Marai Kiele via
>> OSList
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 8, 2019 4:32 PM
>> *To:* ost list international
>> *Cc:* Marai Kiele; Mark Carmel
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Report From The Field
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Mark,
>>
>>
>>
>> I appreciate your flow of energy and appreciation, both for OST and
>> Harrison!
>>
>> I am fascinated, hearing about the „at that time“ largest educational
>> transformation group and I honour you as someone who has walked the trails
>> of OST before me.
>>
>>
>>
>> At the same time, I notice my resentment in regard to this part of your
>> sharing:
>>
>>
>>
>>   "beware of the evil spirits that seek the status quo at all
>> costs“ and "fortify oneself against the forces that WILL seek to
>> undermine change".
>>
>>
>>
>> I actually don’t live within a paradigm of something like „evil spirits“,
>> and I find myself quite „resistant" to changing that world-view. I also
>> don’t believe in setting myself up „against“ anything, but instead I
>> believe in focusing on what is wanted. For me, this would include honouring
>> those with a different perspective on what I desire (which might be change
>> or transformation in regard to a specific subject).
>>
>>
>>
>> I have heard the term, „the client is resistant“ both in therapy and
>> consulting contexts, and I notice great discomfort within me towards this
>> kind of label.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not mostly, but also from my personal experience of someone giving me
>> that „batch of honour". Someone who didn’t understand my perspective and
>> how I was actually serving a group with my intervention. It has now
>> happened to me several times that someone said to me (sometimes years
>> later): „NOW I get you! I thought you were just annoying/resistant, but you
>> were right / actually ahead of us with your perspective“.
>>
>>
>>
>> And.. there are times when I am not at all ahead, but truly resistant to
>> change. For example because of different priorities.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will never forget the disbelief of the person at the iPhone help desk
>> of my mobile phone provider:
>>
>>
>>
>> I called to ask how to activate my new iPhone 6. Which had been sitting
>> in 

Re: [OSList] Report From The Field

[Michael Herman via OSList]

I looked hard at your name, Mark, and didn't recognize it. But I have heard
your story, and even told a very abbreviated version from time to time!
Thanks!  And thanks Harrison for making that connection. Michael

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 15:55 Thomas Herrmann via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Great read!
> Now I will sleep well.
> Opening Space tomorrow, warms my 
> We rock
> Appreciatively
> Thomas
>
> Skickat från min iPhone
>
> 8 jan. 2019 kl. 23:47 skrev Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> For reasons known only to the CyberGods I somehow missed Mark’s offering.
> But I didn’t miss what followed… Mark’s language is (0n occasion) off
> putting. But having known him for a long time, his heart is definitely in
> the right place (even if it isn’t YOUR place). J
>
>
>
> When I first meet Mark (25 years ago?) he had the exalted title of
> Superintendant of Roads (I think) in a Colorado County -- Pueblo. I don’t
> know what that totally involved – but one thing was the snow plowing
> operations on some of the nastiest parts of the American Rockies. Serious
> business with marginal room for error lest you go over the edge. Each Fall,
> the plow operators would be gathered for a “education” session on “better
> plowing.” Experts would hold forth, and the drivers, presumably, got
> smarter. Then came Mark. He turned the gathering over to the real experts
> (the drivers) – and it was all in Open Space. Came up with a catchy title:
> Roads Scholars! Then it seemed that the Governor of Colorado needed to work
> with all “his” County Execs. Mark was called upon for the job. He ended up
> as a County Executive … which is a political job equal to President in many
> (smaller) countries. Frankly, I have always stood in awe of Mark – opening
> space in the middle of a political morass. He’s good – but definitely odd.
> I’m pleased to call him my friend.
>
>
>
> ho
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Marai Kiele via
> OSList
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 8, 2019 4:32 PM
> *To:* ost list international
> *Cc:* Marai Kiele; Mark Carmel
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Report From The Field
>
>
>
> Dear Mark,
>
>
>
> I appreciate your flow of energy and appreciation, both for OST and
> Harrison!
>
> I am fascinated, hearing about the „at that time“ largest educational
> transformation group and I honour you as someone who has walked the trails
> of OST before me.
>
>
>
> At the same time, I notice my resentment in regard to this part of your
> sharing:
>
>
>
>   "beware of the evil spirits that seek the status quo at all
> costs“ and "fortify oneself against the forces that WILL seek to
> undermine change".
>
>
>
> I actually don’t live within a paradigm of something like „evil spirits“,
> and I find myself quite „resistant" to changing that world-view. I also
> don’t believe in setting myself up „against“ anything, but instead I
> believe in focusing on what is wanted. For me, this would include honouring
> those with a different perspective on what I desire (which might be change
> or transformation in regard to a specific subject).
>
>
>
> I have heard the term, „the client is resistant“ both in therapy and
> consulting contexts, and I notice great discomfort within me towards this
> kind of label.
>
>
>
> Not mostly, but also from my personal experience of someone giving me that
> „batch of honour". Someone who didn’t understand my perspective and how I
> was actually serving a group with my intervention. It has now happened to
> me several times that someone said to me (sometimes years later): „NOW I
> get you! I thought you were just annoying/resistant, but you were right /
> actually ahead of us with your perspective“.
>
>
>
> And.. there are times when I am not at all ahead, but truly resistant to
> change. For example because of different priorities.
>
>
>
> I will never forget the disbelief of the person at the iPhone help desk of
> my mobile phone provider:
>
>
>
> I called to ask how to activate my new iPhone 6. Which had been sitting in
> my desk for OVER A YEAR unused, after I had received the new model. He
> couldn’t believe that I hadn’t activated it right away. I imagine he might
> have shared that story during his coffee break with colleagues and all of
> them shaking their heads or laughing about that strange client.
>
> I just hadn't wanted to let go of my iPhone 3s (until I really had to
> because I couldn’t get software updates anymore). Back then, I so preferred
> its design. I mostly used it to make calls, not for the internet, and it
> fit so nicely into my hand and the back pocket of my jeans… Clearly a
> criteria that many tech savvy people will not find as important at I did!
>
>
>
> So the „moral“ of my story: What might be the things that other people
> value which we don’t understand, when we judge them as „resistant“?
>
>
>
> I very much appreciate how that perspective is embodied in this 

Re: [OSList] Report From The Field

[Michael Herman via OSList]

thanks, mark and marai.  to your question about invitation, marai,
invitation (like os) implies/includes choice.  so if we name one of those
choices "resistance" then maybe the invitation didn't actually include that
choice.  so maybe wasn't as open an invitation as we thought.  that
suggests that "open invitation" isn't just about who can come, but about
what everyone can choose.  there is also the possibility that if we make an
invitation and meet "resistance," i.e. people don't come, then it might
have been a true invitation that just missed the mark.  and we can choose
to try again with different words, or other ways.  it's all an experiment
and discovery.  my sense, too, is that we as hosts and facilitators are
never separate from what's happening.

michael


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On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 3:02 PM David Osborne via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Thanks for your comments here Marai I found they resonated with me and I
> appreciated the intentionality I sensed.
>
> Best to all,
>
> David
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 8, 2019, at 4:31 PM, Marai Kiele via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Dear Mark,
>
> I appreciate your flow of energy and appreciation, both for OST and
> Harrison!
> I am fascinated, hearing about the „at that time“ largest educational
> transformation group and I honour you as someone who has walked the trails
> of OST before me.
>
> At the same time, I notice my resentment in regard to this part of your
> sharing:
>
> "beware of the evil spirits that seek the status quo at all costs“ and 
> "fortify
> oneself against the forces that WILL seek to undermine change".
>
> I actually don’t live within a paradigm of something like „evil spirits“,
> and I find myself quite „resistant" to changing that world-view. I also
> don’t believe in setting myself up „against“ anything, but instead I
> believe in focusing on what is wanted. For me, this would include honouring
> those with a different perspective on what I desire (which might be change
> or transformation in regard to a specific subject).
>
> I have heard the term, „the client is resistant“ both in therapy and
> consulting contexts, and I notice great discomfort within me towards this
> kind of label.
>
> Not mostly, but also from my personal experience of someone giving me that
> „batch of honour". Someone who didn’t understand my perspective and how I
> was actually serving a group with my intervention. It has now happened to
> me several times that someone said to me (sometimes years later): „NOW I
> get you! I thought you were just annoying/resistant, but you were right /
> actually ahead of us with your perspective“.
>
> And.. there are times when I am not at all ahead, but truly resistant to
> change. For example because of different priorities.
>
> I will never forget the disbelief of the person at the iPhone help desk of
> my mobile phone provider:
>
> I called to ask how to activate my new iPhone 6. Which had been sitting in
> my desk for OVER A YEAR unused, after I had received the new model. He
> couldn’t believe that I hadn’t activated it right away. I imagine he might
> have shared that story during his coffee break with colleagues and all of
> them shaking their heads or laughing about that strange client.
> I just hadn't wanted to let go of my iPhone 3s (until I really had to
> because I couldn’t get software updates anymore). Back then, I so preferred
> its design. I mostly used it to make calls, not for the internet, and it
> fit so nicely into my hand and the back pocket of my jeans… Clearly a
> criteria that many tech savvy people will not find as important at I did!
>
> So the „moral“ of my story: What might be the things that other people
> value which we don’t understand, when we judge them as „resistant“?
>
> I very much appreciate how that perspective is embodied in this short
> video, narrated by Charles Eisenstein:
>
> What is it like to be you?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uStmnodUpOo
>
> Also, isn’t OST based on invitation? And if there is something like
> „resistance to following an invitation“, is it a true invitation in the
> first place?
>
> (Kudos to Dan Mezick and Mark Sheffield and their book on Inviting
> Leadership)
>
> With respect,
> Marai
>
>
>
> Am 08.01.2019 um 02:41 schrieb Mark Carmel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Greetings Fellow OST Practitioners!
>
> It is an honor to join you once again.  I met the great Harrison Owen in
> the early 1990's and began immediately facilitating Open Space.  I hope
> some of you remember me.  Guided by Harrison's mentor-ship I set the world
> record with a 700 person group in 1993, the largest at the time for an
> educational transformation.
>
> To my fellow followers of His Honor, Harrison "The GREAT" Owen, THE
> Inventor of the Magic and Miracle of OPEN SPACE, (or the 

Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 92, Issue 5

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Yep.  "They" at wikipedia is us.  (And, yes, a bunch of others friends we
haven't met yet.)  I've edited in the past and watched those changes
disappear.  And made them again.  And then, like Harrison says, not
bothered for a while.  Actually a long while now.  It's all open space...
and it keeps moving.  If there's some link to be added to openspaceworld.org,
I'm glad to do that.  Michael

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http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org




On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:29 AM Chris Corrigan via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hey there.
>
> I’m truly fine with the wikipedia article.  It’s not meant to be a user
> guide or a piece that validates a particular use of Open Space.  It pretty
> accurately describes the method and it’s history and points the reader to
> relevant links.
>
> If you want to create the ultimate bookmark to using open space in schools
> and youth hubs, then the invitation I suppose is the same I would make if
> we were in an open space meeting together: take responsibility for what you
> care about.  Go ahead and post it somewhere, link to it and let us all know
> where it is so that it can be found at http://openspaceworld.org/wp2/ which
> is the highest level global website for the community of practice.
>
> If you want to edit the wikipedia page, you can go ahead and do that as
> well, but unlike Open Space, that will subject to the discussion and debate
> of a community of editors, and you don’t always get what you want there.
>
> Chris
>
> On Dec 5, 2018, at 8:49 AM, christopher macrae 
> wrote:
>
> *dear chris and friends - the current wikipedia starts open space like
> this*
>
>
> *Open Space Technology* (*OST*) is a method for organizing and running a
> meeting or multi-day conference, where participants have been invited in
> order to focus on a specific, important task or purpose. OST is a
> participant-driven process whose agenda is created by people attending. At
> the end of each OST meeting, a document is created summarizing the work of
> the group. The OST method is based upon work, beginning in the 1980s, by
> Owen Harrison. It was one of the top ten organization development
>  tools cited
> between 2004 and 2013.Open Space Technology
> 
>
> *what imo is wrong- on a quick read that millennials do*
> *the last sentence makes it sound as if open space is past  -"it was: ...*
>
> *today pretty much every western city with youth in it has hubs that think
> they do hackathons and open spaces but they have diluted (and have sponsors
> vested interests)-*
>
> *the average hub practice has lost what i feel makes open space system
> transforming -often the resident hosts don't even know how much has been
> lost*
>
> *I dont have the talents to be a great open space facilitator but ever
> since first meeting harrison i have felt that the only way to save schools
> from the livelihood destruction nightmare they have become in the west is
> to free pre-adolescents with experience of real open space -once a child
> has co-created in open space they can take that with them - the empowerment
> that they can co-create, be community builders etc*
>
> *I suppose whats on wikipedia is a lost game- what i would like is the
> ultimate bookmark to carry on trying to get schools to free kids to host
> open space*
>
> *for reasons that may be peculiar to me my test of a perfect bookmark is
> can i get chinese friends to understand it - fortunately harrison's open
> space method is very well respected in china- ironically what we now need
> is the chinese to translate open space practice (catalogue living examples
> they scale across a fifth of the world's people) back into english ! -sorry
> just my naughty cents worth from a washington dc that is pretty scarily
> closed in 99% of policy meetings as well as schooling *
>
> chris.mac...@yahoo.co.uk www.valuetrue.com www.womenuni.com
>
> --
> *From:* Chris Corrigan 
> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> *Cc:* Kaarel Vaidla ; Bhavesh Patel <
> bhavm...@gmail.com>; chris.mac...@yahoo.co.uk
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 December 2018, 11:17
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 92, Issue 5
>
> I’m not clear on exactly what is wrong with the Wikipedia article. It
> seems fine to me, such as it is. But I realize I’m not seeing what others
> are seeing.
>
> Part of editing well is to identify specifics that need to be changed and
> pointing to good sources that support the change.
>
> Are there particular thing s that stand out for you?
>
> Chris.
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Re: [OSList] canadian tables

[Michael Herman via OSList]

i love this part from chris... "...anything in a system that causes an ice
hockey game to break out is, by definition, Canadian."  ...but while I was
pretty sure it was my engineering, I was thinking that Chris, the hockey
nut (i.e. the Canadian) must have come up with the name.  I'd forgotten the
kid with the rock, but i did remember those tables wrapping all around one
end of the room and thinking it looked just like an indoor rink.

here's another favorite little bit from that time... Chris might remember
more of this one, too, but what i remember is that chris and judi and i
were laughing a lot and found ourselves making lots of references to fr.
brian bainbridge in our conversations.  we had a lot of fun describing
everything as "it's all good," for instance.  when the three of us sat down
to eat lunch together one day, somebody brought us, or we found on the
table, somehow, some silverware and four napkins... three of the napkins
were the same red that everyone else seemed to have at their tables but the
fourth one was black.  brian, we laughed, was taking "fully present and
totally invisible" to a whole new level!

thanks for sharing these stories.

michael


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On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 2:35 PM David Osborne via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Chris,
>
> This story is priceless for many reasons. Not only do I now know the what
> and why's of Canadian Tables but also it takes place in one of my
> favorite places on earth AND the gift keeps on giving. It reminds me of
> Judi Richardson who is a friend who I haven't seen in years from my
> hometown in Canada. And of course as is true with every Canadian any story
> that involves ice hockey is good.
>
> Thanks for humoring my curiosity and sharing such a great story.
>
> Best to all of you,
>
> David
>
>
> *David R. Osborne*
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>
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>
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 3:29 PM Chris Corrigan via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> The story is this:
>>
>> IN 2003 Michael Herman, Judi Richardson and I were doing an Open Space in
>> Fairbanks Alaska in an amazing room which had a full mural on the wall.
>> There was no way to tape anything to the wall, and there were no rolling
>> whiteboards.  We had to improvise.  Micheal is the clever one, and he
>> started setting up two meter tables on their end, by extending one leg and
>> standing them up to make a portable wall.  As our agenda, and then news
>> wall grew with the 60 or so sessions over two days, the wall grew too and
>> it soon encompassed one end of the space and curled around the sides. It
>> looked very much like a hockey rink.
>>
>> One of our participants was a young man who played on the Alaska ice
>> hockey team and he had a puck shaped stone in his pocket.  He noticed the
>> resemblance to an ice hockey rink.  During lunch one day he dropped the
>> stone on the floor and a spontaneous game of foot hockey broke out at the
>> end with the curved wall of tables.
>>
>> Michael called his innovation “Canadian tables” because anything in a
>> system that causes an ice hockey game to break out is, by definition,
>> Canadian.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 12:20 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> I sent a photo of Chris Corrigan in Canada with Canadian Tables ! but the
>> file size sent it to the list moderator.
>>
>> Portable tables are set up on their ends to make 2 meter tall portable
>> walls perfect for os agenda making!
>>
>> Jeff
>> San Francisco
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018, 11:50 AM David Osborne via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:
>>
>>> As a Canadian I have to ask. What are “Canadian Tables”?
>>>
>>> Let me know and my best to all.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 11:33 AM, Doris Gottlieb via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Eva,
>>>
>>> Thanks for that lovely note. I have used Canadian Tables a few times and
>>> I am so glad that way back when there were so many great OST facilitators
>>> who discovered these ways to keep space open.
>>>
>>> With love,
>>>
>>> Doris
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 3:28 PM Eva P Svensson via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,
 Long time no see or post from me - but I really need to say that for
 the first time since about 20 years with Open Space I had the chance to use
 ”Canadian tables” when I worked at the Royal Opera house in Stockholm - and
 you could tell that there was NO way to put tape on the walls. Worked great
 of course :-)
 hugs
 Eva

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Re: [OSList] Fwd: TR: Nouvelle Ressource "Open Space" Guide en arabe

[Michael Herman via OSList]

i heard from them yesterday, as well, thomas.  there will be a link made
soon from openspaceworld.org!

thanks, m

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On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 9:42 AM Thomas Herrmann via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Wow great news.
> Maybe something to find spce for on the OSworld website? Michael Herman?!
> Cheers
> Thomas
>
> Skickat från min iPhone
>
> 14 nov. 2018 kl. 16:15 skrev Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Thought this would be interesting.
>
> ho
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephanie Willman Bordat 
> To: hhowen 
> Sent: Tue, Nov 13, 2018 10:02 am
> Subject: TR: Nouvelle Ressource "Open Space" Guide en arabe
>
> Dear Mr. Owen,
>
> I am writing to let you know that we have just produced an Arabic
> language practical guide on how to host an “Open Space” convening!  We
> based it on the research on other Open Space guides in English and French
> we read, including your User’s Guide (all duly cited!) and our own recent
> experiences participating in and hosting an Open Space in Morocco.
>
> So our Practical Guide in Arabic is out, and we are sharing it with NGOs
> and activists across the region.  We hope this will be helpful for the
> local groups across the MENA region.  Please feel free to distribute and
> share with anyone you think might find it useful for their work (PDF link
> in message below).
>
> Thank you very much for the work and the inspiration,
>
> Stephanie
>
> *Stephanie Willman Bordat*
>
> Founding Partner *شريكة مؤسسة*
>
> *MRA/Mobilising for Rights Associates*
>
> 3, rue Oued Zem - Rabat, Morocco
>
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>
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>
> *Website:* www.mrawomen.ma *FB:* www.facebook.com/mrawomen
>
> *Location:* https://goo.gl/maps/UaUfvzTmuUH2
>
>
>
> *De :* MRA [mailto:m...@mrawomen.ma ]
> *Envoyé :* mardi 13 novembre 2018 15:13
> *À :* MRA
> *Objet :* Nouvelle Ressource "Open Space" Guide en arabe
>
>
>
> Nouvelles ressources pratiques «Open Space» pour les ONG et les
> activistes! MRA Mobilising for Rights Associates est ravi de partager notre
> guide en arabe récemment publié sur comment animer une réunion «Open
> Space».   Si vous souhaitez organiser de meilleures rencontres basées sur
> la passion et la responsabilité, traiter des problèmes complexes en peu de
> temps, permettre aux participants de s'auto-organiser et obtenir des
> résultats concrets et inspirants, découvrez-le!  Disponible en PDF au
> lien ci-dessous.
>
>
> http://mrawomen.ma/wp-content/uploads/doc/Open%20Space%20Guide%20Pratique%20en%20arabe.pdf
>
> دليل عملي جديد "المجال المفتوح" لفائدة المنظمات غير الحكومية والنشطاء! يسر
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> تنشيط لقاء "الفضاء المفتوح".إذا كنت ترغب في تنظيم اجتماعات أفضل نابعة من
> شغف بقضية ما و حس المسؤولية بضرورة إحداث تغيير، إن كنت ترغب في تناول
> مواضيع شائكة و معقدة و في وقت قصير ، وأن تسمح للمشاركين بتنظيم أنفسهم
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> على الرابط أدناه
>
>
> http://mrawomen.ma/wp-content/uploads/doc/Open%20Space%20Guide%20Pratique%20en%20arabe.pdf
>
> New « Open Space » Practical Resources for NGOs and Activists!  MRA
> Mobilising for Rights Associates is excited to share our recently published
> Arabic language Guide to hosting an “Open Space” convening.  If you want to
> hold better meetings based on passion and responsibility, deal with complex
> issues in a short period of time, empower participants to self-organize,
> and achieve inspirational and real results, check it out!  Available in PDF
> at the below link.
>
>
> http://mrawomen.ma/wp-content/uploads/doc/Open%20Space%20Guide%20Pratique%20en%20arabe.pdf
>
>
>
>
>
> *MRA/Mobilising for Rights Associates*
>
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>
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Re: [OSList] Marking a New National/Regional Educational Policy -examples of Open Space meeting being set up?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

here is a frequently shared favorite story, inga... complete proceedings
from "future of education in peoria," including invitation, what happened,
notes, voting results.  hosted by the school board.  invitation went home
with every kid and was posted as full-page newspaper ads.
http://www.michaelherman.com/publications/peoria.pdf   ...most interesting
result was that "parental responsibility" was top issue in voting.  the
exact opposite of what happens when the school board is empaneled on the
stage and the parents line up at the microphone in the center aisle of a
dim auditorium with one-way, stage-to-audience acoustical design.  
echoing some of what chris says, we worked hard to make a distinction
between participant stakeholders "envisioning" the future of eduction they
wanted and "enacting" it through spontaneous votes or other immediate
action.  the new superintendent took the top ten voted issues as her
working agenda for the new school year.



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On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 2:02 PM Chris Corrigan via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> I’ve used Open Space as a part of policy making work in the following
> contexts:
>
> * Working with the Ministry of Advanced Education in British Columbia on
> Aboriginal post-secondary education policy
> * Working with two alternative school programs in North Vancouver and
> Bowen Island, British Columbia to host discussions with parents and
> children around education policy
> * Working with a school district and indigenous communities in Prince
> George BC to create an Aboriginal Choice School (also used World Cafe and
> participatory decision making to create recommendations for a site for that
> school)
>
> As a part of the policy making process, Open Space is useful for including
> diverse stakeholders in the process. I would make sure that the
> participants in the process are allowed as much freedom as possible to tell
> their stories, convene there conversations and raise their issues.
> Sometimes policy makers want to convene large groups to have stakeholders
> make policy. If you are including people like students, teachers and others
> in the conversation, you need to not have the expectation that they will
> make policy.  Let the policy makers work with the results to craft policy.
> Work with the conveners of the break out sessions later to keep them in the
> loop about how their work has informed the process.
>
> If you are only working with policy makers, then the Open Space will point
> to the overall most important issues to deal with in the policy framework.
> Don’t use Open Space to make a decision, but instead, use the process the
> allow the group to explore a diversity of approaches to the issues and then
> have your core policy team work within that diversity of opinion.
>
> Those are my reflections.  Let me know if you need anything else.  I’m
> sure others will weigh in as well.
>
> Chris
>
> On Oct 30, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Ingibjorg Gisladottir via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Dear OS community
>
> Can anyone lead me to examples of where OS has been used in the making of
> Educational Policy of a nation/state/community?
>
> I think it is important to invite children, teenagers,
> highschool/university students and young people who are recently out of
> school to the conversations. . ..but who else should be there?
>
> Your insights on this and experience is appreciated if you have the
> possibility to share it with me.
>
> All the best
>
> Ingibjorg (Inga)
>
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Re: [OSList] Welcoming WOSonOS 2019 to the U.S.

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Hooray and Congratulations!  Amazingly, this will be only third one in the
US since Chicago in 1999.  Only two others in North America since then.
That stick really is winging around the world.  And now back to where it
(OSonOS) started!

Michael


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On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
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> Me, too, b, and thanks Harold
> mmp
>
> Am 24.10.2018 um 18:02 schrieb Barry Owen via OSList:
> > BRAVO Harold!
> >
> > We are up to this "challenge", and I am already excited about gathering
> > here in the USA in a year.
> >
> > Thank you for the great news!
> >
> > b
> >
> > *_Barry Owen_*
> > */Real Estate Strategist/*
> > CEO/Principal Broker
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> > <
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> >
> > *The Vital Few*
> > 4004 Hillsboro Pike Ste 234-B
> > Nashville, TN 37215
> > Office: 615-502-2080
> > Connect: *615-568-2123*
> > *BarryOwensBlog.com *
> > *BarrysDriveTime.com *
> > WhyJoinParetoRealty.com 
> >
> >
> > *Inviter - Facilitator/Practicer of Open Space Technology*
> > Opening & Holding safe space for people and organizations to
> > self-organize around important issues and opportunities.
> > *Invite - Listen - Love**
> > *
> >
> > **Pareto Realty is a residential real estate sales firm that supports
> > member agents in building and growing consistently productive niche
> > businesses as they enjoy the healthy life rhythm they want and deserve.**
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:55 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList
> > mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > We are grateful that WOSonOS 2018 has accepted our hosting
> > invitation to Washington D.C. Most likely the second half of October.
> >
> > I, Harold, am humbled and terrified, to have received the First
> > Nations talking stick as the symbol of the WOSonOS hosting and will
> > keep it safe until we hand it to the next host.
> >
> > One of the biggest lessons is the facilitating Open Space, you hold
> > the participants lives in your hands. This is wisdom from Harrison.
> >
> > Thank you to all our wonderful community,
> >
> > Harold Shinsato
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Re: [OSList] A Question About Safety

[Michael Herman via OSList]

and this yesterday in the nytimes...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/books/review/splintering-william-egginton-coddling-greg-lukianoff-jonathan-haidt.html

a review of two books that suggest safety concerns, especially on college
campuses and within the iGen cohort that follows millennials, gets in the
way of people learning to communicate about important issues, setting
democracy up for failure.



*THE SPLINTERING OF THE AMERICAN MIND *
*Identity Politics, Inequality, and Community on Today’s College Campuses*
By William Egginton
263 pp. Bloomsbury. $28.

*THE CODDLING OF THE AMERICAN MIND*
*How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure*
By Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt
338 pp. Penguin Press. $28.




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On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 1:10 PM, Dan Mezick via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Here’s a book that associates computer network efficiency at scale with
> civilization-efficiency at scale. And vice versa, which is his essential
> point.
>
> The conclusion is that individual agents are the only entities capable of
> making promises at that level and that this is actually super-efficient and
> in fact optimal in terms of at-scale system level performance:  how
> interesting...
>
> Promise Theory: Thinking in Promises
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Promises-Designing-Systems-Cooperation/dp/
> 1491917873
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 25, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Oh sure. YOU alone a responsible for what you do/are -- unless of course
> you are mentally impaired. And nobody can keep you "honest" better that
> your peers and colleagues. Presuming that they step up and do their job. Of
> course, if they sit on the sideline and allow terrible things to happen...
> It really is about taking personal responsibility for the life you live and
> for those who live it with you. Nothing is perfect, of course, but we try.
>
> ho
>
>
> Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Dr Potomac, MD 20854 USA Phone 301-365-2093
> (summer) 207-763-3261 www.openspaceworld.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mona Saleh Abd El Salam via OSList 
> To: oslist 
> Cc: Mona Saleh Abd El Salam 
> Sent: Sat, Aug 25, 2018 12:34 pm
> Subject: Re: [OSList] A Question About Safety
>
> Harrison,
> maybe you also indicate having everyone appreciated for what they do, as
> well as having everyone responsible for what they do?
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 2:54 PM Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Mona… In all the years that I have facilitated/participated in Open Space
> I have never seen any physical violence. Tense situations for sure, but the
> group always handled it and, most importantly, learned from it. I think I
> understand what you mean with a “code of conduct” but I’ve never seen the
> need for it and more to the point such a code could shift responsibility
> for humane behavior from the individual to the Code. My hope is always to
> “ultimize” (no such word, I know) each person’s responsibility for
> themselves and their fellows. That it always (in my experience) seem to
> work may prove something?
>
>
>
> ho
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Mona Saleh Abd El Salam via OSList
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2018 6:52 AM
> *To:* oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> *Cc:* Mona Saleh Abd El Salam
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] A Question About Safety
>
>
>
> maybe you mean having individuals with some (common sense) that can be
> listed in a (code of conduct) according to which they behave.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 12:34 PM David Osborne via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Quoting from Harrison in *The Practice of Peace.*
>
>
>
> Stuart Kaufman's original work which focused on biological systems aka the
> emergence of life on earth describes five pre-conditions for open space,
> one of which is "*A safe, nutrient-rich environment."   *Harrison goes on
> to describe the equivalent for Human systems as *"some kind of safety and
> support in the overall environment."*
>
>
>
> I interpret safety as a psychologically safe space where individuals can
> act and speak ( take risks, share diverse views etc.
>
>
>
> Can it be too safe to support self-organization?
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> *David R. Osborne*
> Organization and Leadership Development
>
>
> 6402 Arlington Blvd., Suite 1120, Falls Church, VA 22042
>
> 703-939-1777   |   dosbo...@change-fusion.com   |   change-fusion.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 2:13 AM, Bhavesh Patel  wrote:
>
> Curious to know what you mean by 'safety'?
>
>
>
> On 21 August 2018 at 07:49, David Osborne via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Greetings all,
>
>
>
> I have questions about safety related to self-organization I would love
> 

[OSList] online open space-ish government?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

this maybe interesting and encouraging.  maybe our friends in taiwan will
be able to say more about it?

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611816/the-simple-but-
ingenious-system-taiwan-uses-to-crowdsource-its-laws/



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Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space further in organizations and networks after the initial intervention

[Michael Herman via OSList]

In my experience, Robin, every situation is different.  If there was such a
table, I suspect it would have MANY rates.  Kind of like asking, "What is
the going rate for an artist?"  Depends greatly on the artist, the asker,
and many things about the situation and duration of the work/impact
desired.  Sometimes there is already a budget, so quoting prices doesn't
matter and it's more a question of what can be done within that limit.
Other times, there is an emphasis on the quality of the work such that any
price is okay as long as everything goes well.  Sometimes it surprises
clients that there should be preparation time, it's not just a technical
task we show up for the day of the meeting/event.

If there's any rule at all for me, it might be that the conversation needs
to focus first on what's happening, what's desired and expected, what's
already decided and where there might be uncertainty or complete unknowns.
All of these things in terms of the context, the leadership/sponsorhip, the
invitation, invitation list, logistics, documentation or otherwise keeping
things going, AND in terms of budget, previous experience with OS or other
facilitators.  The tricky part, in my experience, is that the most
important work often happens in the earliest conversations, before anyone
agrees to pay anything.  So it's a bit of line to walk, helping them
see/understand the value but not spending too much time/energy before
there's a commitment.  And that line is different with every potential and
situation.

I once had a first meeting with a leader and her board chair.  They decided
against doing the "event" we'd discussed, but she said she wanted to pay me
something, anyway.  Turns out we'd opened enough space in our first
conversation that she'd gotten to raise the issues that mattered most and
gotten important "action" on them.  So we agreed on a fee and I sent her an
invoice.  What I take from this and some of the previous stories in this
thread is that we need to be quoting for their value not our time.  I
estimate days, but I share more and less of that calculation as needed in
any situation.  I try to keep the focus on what we need to do, toward
achieving what large and important purpose, with no guarantees or promises
to control the group, for what total fee.  And sometimes the "daily rate"
is quite high.  Then, having agreed to that fee, I spend whatever time I
find is needed.  So any quoted rate may or may not end up being the actual
rate earned.  With experience and with the learning we do in the first
conversation(s), focused on the work not the fee, we can do pretty well
with the estimating.

Speaking of invoices, I guess the one other "rule" I have is that once we
have that initial conversation and agree on some scope of engagement and
fee amount, with almost every client, that fee is billed in two parts.  The
first half is billed and payable immediately, the second half plus expenses
is billed upon completion.  Sometimes the plane ticket gets rolled into the
first invoice.  This accomplishes a lot of useful things.  One of which is
that it de-emphasizes contracting that often has a legalistic, us-them,
and/or guarantees flavor to it and emphasizes, instead, real action.  When
they say, "Book a ticket and send the first invoice," we all know it's
really game on, going to happen.  Another is that in the most complex,
energy-intensive situations, which tend to be the higher fees, when I show
up, only half my pay feels "at risk."  It feels like my client and I go
into the unknown of the opening circle with more balance in the risk and
relationship.

Geoff Bellman, in his book, "The Consultant's Calling," has a little bit on
this topic.  The line I remember best and use from time to time is, "I'd
like to make/earn/bill $ for this work."  It's not about imposing a fee
structure.  It's maybe not up to the consultant at all.  But there is also
sense of "This is what I think this is worth" and "This is what I'd feel
good about trading for the energy I think this is going to take."  Implicit
in the latter is some expectation of the energy that'll be required.  And
if that quoted price is outside of what's expected, there are several lines
to pursue in the conversation that follows.  Often, I propose a range, as
well, which gives me some wiggle room, because we never really know what
we're walking into.  It's nice to make a little extra when the going gets
rough in preparations or the work proves especially valuable and it's nice
to leave a little on the table when things go easy or maybe unsettling
things turn up at the end.

So maybe there are at least two questions inside of your question, Robin...
How much do you think clients will pay for our work (how/how much do they
value our work)?  AND how much do you like to get paid for doing this kind
of work?  And then, for what sorts of clients, issues, purposes, places,
etc.  And then, what do we do when the two numbers are different?  Or when
your value and 

Re: [OSList] WOSonOS 2018 Registration

[Michael Herman via OSList]

For years, I've made the connection between what we see in urban landscapes
and what we see unfold in conference rooms in OS, diverse, chaotic,
overlapping patterns.  So I love the photo in the registration page, Kari!
Added the link to openspaceworld.org... so anyone who can't remember the
link to the conference can always remember openspaceworld.org to refer
friends.  Thanks, Michael


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On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 3:13 PM, Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Kind of connected...
>
> This year's global gathering of Wiki people at Wikimania has the title " 
> Bridging
> knowledge gaps: the Ubuntu way forward
> , "
>
> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania
>
>
>
> On 11 June 2018 at 23:07, Kári Gunnarsson via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear OST-community,
>>
>> WOSonOS 2018 Bridging the Divide: How are we meeting the challenges of a
>> changing world?
>>
>> Place & Date: Reykjvík Iceland, October 22-24
>>
>> Please head over to the registration page to read more and sign up:
>> https://events.artegis.com/event/WOSonOS_2018
>>
>> We reserved a few hotel rooms in a hotel nearby and these are available
>> on the registration site, but many of us are renting an Airbnb or staying
>> in other accommodations close by.
>>
>> Gamla-Bíó is our venue: https://goo.gl/maps/dDPdoV2jcZE2 ... The
>> original plan was to have the event in Harpa, looking at the price led to
>> the idea of moving the event to the close-by Gamla-Bíó. I am particularly
>> happy that we manage to do that and lower the registration fee in the
>> process.
>>
>> The local currency is ISK (Icelandic Króna), you will get about 105 ISK
>> for each USD $ dollar, or about 125 ISK for each € Euro.
>>
>> The flight time to here from New York is about 6 hours, and from London
>> it is about 3 hours. Flights to Iceland are cheap.
>>
>> With best regards,
>> The Wosonos 2018 Team
>>
>>
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Re: [OSList] Good questions for a OS

[Michael Herman via OSList]

I want to second what Marai says about "How..." questions, because they are
such an easy default.  I, too, find them more closing than opening.  I
think we actually tend to hear "How do we..." as "Do you know how we
can..."  which is essentially a yes-no question without a lot of potential
for discussion.

Having tried for many many years to improve on "What are the issues and
opportunities for... (usually the future of something)?" -- and only
occasionally, very situationally, succeeded... I've pretty much stopped
trying.  There's lots of room for discussion, framing and storytelling in
the invitation, but the "issues and opps" question is as good a punch line
there is for anchoring the invitation and carrying into the circle.  It's
wide open, nobody knows the whole answer, and it leaves room for positives
and negatives, history and futures.

Once upon a time, a client was struggling with the drafting of an
invitation.  I made a list of questions and suggested she think about short
answers to each, or the ones that resonated most.  She and then others
found that useful.  Over the years that page evolved into a short guide and
then I wrapped all the rest of my favorite OS sharing materials around it.

Here's the link to that document, still called an "Inviting Guide."
http://www.michaelherman.com/publications/inviting_leadership_guide.pdf  I
often point clients to the one page full of questions that might be useful
and suggest they sketch a few lines to answer a few of the most relevant
questions.  They're listed in an order that the answers could almost always
be simply strung together in that order and make good sense, but that
almost never happens.  In the end that list of questions is just a way to
ease into the potential.

And, having just cracked open Harrison's User's Guide for the first time in
a long time, I find no reference to the "broad and inclusive" language
mentioned earlier, but the Guide itself is still a marvel of substance and
simplicity!!

Michael











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On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Thomas Herrmann via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Wooow, thanks Rolf, sounds like lots of fun and rewarding. Will try it!
> Thomas
>
> Skickat från min iPhone
>
> 12 juni 2018 kl. 19:18 skrev Rolf F. Katzenberger via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Craig,
>
>
> sometimes I use a specific setup to help an org/core team refine their
> intial "raw" question. Essentially, it's 5 people (or 5 pairs, groups, ...)
> assuming one role, each:
>
>1. IT - represents the need and the purpose
>2. I - represent the caller(s)
>3. YOU represent ta single (!) person receiving the call
>4. WE - represent the relationship between the Is and the YOUs
>5. FLOW - represents the flow & lifecycle of IT, and of the open space
>
> Whatever format for a conversation these 5 people choose, they'll be
> refining the raw question along the lines of the meta-question: "As one of
> these five, what do I need to feel myself represented well by this
> question?"
>
>
> This leads to all kinds of interesting discussions, like:
>
>- IT wants to be more open, e.g. "hey, we're already imposing a
>conclusion on the YOUs!"
>- I want to be more visible, "those folks want to see a living person
>behind the call"
>- YOU want to feel appreciated and attracted - there's not enough in
>it to convince YOU to come yet
>- WE want to be something new, together - what kind of relationship am
>I inviting YOU to?
>- FLOW wants this to be less restricted / confined / pre-arranged, "WE
>are still in our infancy, folks..."
>
> ...and so on Just remember to talk about what each of the five wants
> more of, instead of what it wants less of. Otherwise, alternative words
> will have a really hard time emerging.
>
>
> Usually, it also pays to have a limit of 12 words for the question
> (suggests that you make decisions and avoid the
> committee-phrasing-syndrome; set priorities; stay open), and many times
> it's even helpful to use the Fridge Magnet technique (stick large post it
> with one word each to a wall, put alternative words in columns, play with
> it in the group, always keep the full question in sight and see what it
> feels like).
>
>
> In the end, seek consent (no severe objections to the refined question),
> not consensus (everybody is very fine with the refined question). If there
> is consensus among the 5, there is no need for an open space, I'd say ;-)
>
>
> Just my 2 cents, maybe it's helpful.
> Rolf
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> Craig Gilliam via OSList schrieb am 11.06.2018 um 15:35:
>
> I do not post often, but I read the 

[OSList] agile bossa nova / ongoing open space

[Michael Herman via OSList]

hi all,

i want to report a heartening new thing, on the way to "nobody's talking
about open space anymore, cuz it's just the way we do things."

when i first met the agile software folks, back in 2002, they explained
agile to me and i said, "holy cow, you're making software in open space!"

fast forward to last year, i was asked to contribute to a book on
"company-wide agility."  well, as far as i can tell, true business agility
is going to look an awful lot like that holy grail we call "ongoing open
space."

the book came out a few weeks ago and the title is a bit of a mouthful:
"company-wide agility with beyond budgeting, open space, sociocracy, and
agile:  surviving and thriving on disruption."  agile BOSSA nova, for short.

the authors, jutta eckstein and john buck, distill four key values that
define agility in organization:  self-organization, transparency,
customer-centricity (which is to say, purpose-centricity), and continuous
learning.  sounds familiar, no?

so if you love working in open space and hear chatter about agile in your
area (there are user groups to be found in meetup.com worldwide, i think)
you might want to move toward those conversations rather than away.

and if you're curious about bossa nova, you can learn more at
agilebossanova.com.  the book also includes a nod to one of daniel mezick's
open space agility success stories, at walmart.

some preview pages are available at amazon...
https://www.amazon.com/Company-wide-Agility-Beyond-Budgeting-Sociocracy/dp/154467287X/

michael


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Re: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Hi All,

I'd put myself in the same group as Chris and Birgitt.  I follow the Guide
and don't ever hesitate to open space in weird circumstances that require
some adaptation.  Making those adaptations is where skillful practice comes
in, which requires understanding and embodying the patterns that make up
the practice.  I once had someone tell me I was not doing open space
correctly because the sessions I framed were not 90 minutes long, among
other transgressions.

If there's an OST 1.0 and 2.0, I'd suggest it's as simple as 1.0 is
cookbook and 2.0 is framework.  And everything after that is just practice,
learning, local adaptation.  I find talking about versions is too limiting,
as it suggests a linear evolution, which is in my experience not how
learning and open space work.  There isn't any room in OS for posting a
topic that "somebody" should address, only topics that "I care about and
will address."  In the same way, it seems not very interesting to talk
about what should be happening with OS or OST in the world.  What is really
interesting and exciting is sharing what you and I are actually doing (or
trying, wanting, hoping to do) in and with OS.  That, to me, is where my
and our practice(s) grows and evolves.

Over time, I think there are as many versions of open space as there are
people who care and dare to open space wherever they are.  And then, one
version for everywhere they do it.  Fr. Brian Bainbridge (who I'd say was
one of the most important people in the story of open space in the world,
and one of my own greatest teachers) once told me he used to read a little
bit from the User's Guide every morning before he facilitated an OS event.
He also told me about convening serial wednesday morning open spaces.  He
once opened space on stage in an auditorium and had conveners passing
across that stage and posting/announcing topics on a board there -- then
had no breakouts.  He just let the people hear all the ideas that wanted to
be addressed and left them to it in hallway conversations.  He ran his
parish as an open space gathering.  And in some years made 600-700 "house
visits," just knocking on the doors of parishioners to meet them where they
really lived.

I remember talking with Brian about "Letting Go," what he saw as the
essence of open space.  So how do we open new and improved space in the
world?  How do we go about improving or increasing the amount of letting go
that is going on in the world?  What are the issues and opportunities for
letting go of versions, growth and improvement?  What are the issues and
opportunities for letting go of open space?  Or are we letting go of
letting go?

Michael



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On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:01 AM, Tonnie van der Zouwen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear Marai and HO, dear all on this list,
>
> Thank you for sharing your experiences and feelings so openly.
> Embarrasment seems to be fruitful somehow.
>
> I have listened to the podcast and an idea popped up. What about making a
> grand opening space song at the Wos on Os in Iceland? I will be there, and
> I am planning to bring some students and colleagues too.
>
> Hope to see you in Iceland in October. And now I am typing this on my
> mobile, I would like to invite you to a session to discuss how the
> principle  'Less is more', and other OS principles can be applied to our
> organizational life. Or to life in general? And to our education system,
> universities? The idea is not new, I know, but I keep forgetting.
>
> See you in Reykjavik,
> Tonnie van der Zouwen
>
>
>
> Verzonden vanaf mijn Samsung-apparaat
>
>
>  Oorspronkelijk bericht 
> Van: Harrison Owen via OSList 
> Datum: 01-03-18 18:00 (GMT+01:00)
> Aan: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> Cc: Harrison Owen 
> Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?
>
> Improved Open Space! Marvelous idea!! And should you (or anybody else)
> succeed, I will be the first supporter and largest fan. I will warn you,
> however, that you will not be the first to make such an attempt. I think
> that might have been me.
>
> After I recovered from the two Martinis, and indeed three or four years
> after the first Open Space in Monterey California (1985), I recognized that
> something truly odd and wonderful was happening in that circle. Actually I
> was a slow learner, and it took the sharp eyes of people like Anne Stadler,
> Mahesh, and others to see what I couldn't see.
>
> After a bit, there was something of a blinding flash of the obvious. What
> happened was not only unpredictable, but totally remarkable. At least we
> all thought it was pretty weird. And back in those days, weird was good. So
> how about More Weird? Better Weird? Or just better, and not so weird??
>
> It was a 

Re: [OSList] OST french, Arabic and Farsi material request

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Hi Maya,

There some French materials at openspaceworld.org, but just a simple intro
to OST in Arabic and Farsi.  Maybe these will be useful.

Michael




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On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 5:25 AM, Maya Rimer via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hello OST mailing list!
>
> My name is Maya, and I'm a facilitator working primarily with grass-root
> organisations within the Greek Refugee Crisis.
> I'm opening Space for a large group of international volunteers and
> refugees on the Island of Lesvos in a few days, and was hoping to get some
> of the wonderful Open Space Resources in a few languages other than
> English.
>
> The community center that is sponsoring this event works in English,* French,
> Arabic and Farsi-* any OST materials in these languages will be very much
> appreciated!
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Maya Rimer
> mayari...@gmail.com
>
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Re: [OSList] OST encourages avoidance of conflict

[Michael Herman via OSList]

"And the air sizzles."

That may be one of my favorite lines in ALL of what's been posted to this
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On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> There is conflict, and then there is destructive conflict. I think they
> are two entirely different things. Conflict is an essential part of living,
> life, the total evolutionary process. Show me any organization that has no
> conflict and I’ll show you a dead one. Conflict occurs when two or more
> critical concerns (cares) but heads. Given sufficient room, they will find
> a way. Close that space and they will kill each other. My experience in
> Open Space has always been one of intense conflict combined with serious
> way finding. Parties who would ordinarily kill each other find common
> ground. And the air sizzles. Believe me, I’ve been there.
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
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> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Harold Shinsato via OSList
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:25 PM
> *To:* oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> *Cc:* Harold Shinsato
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] OST encourages avoidance of conflict
>
>
>
> Daniel,
>
> Interesting concern. I think I remember hearing this from a well respected
> management guru as a critique of Open Space. I can't help but wonder the
> following:
>
> - How well do individual adults resolve conflicts when an authority figure
> forces them?
> - How well do conflicting peoples or tribal communities resolve conflicts
> when they are forcibly held together by an imperial force (think Rome,
> USSR, pre-partition India, etc etc etc)
>
> If you are dealing with children or developmentally challenged individuals
> - especially those who have violated others rights are are in prison - I
> can imagine there being some value to some level of compulsion or coercion
> here. But even there, it may temporarily resolve the fighting and damage,
> but not the children's growth.
>
> If you are dealing with severe human rights being violated in tribal
> scenarios, I can see how that might justify gunboat diplomacy. But I can't
> imagine the tribal system will evolve to respect human rights without a
> huge additional investment from the gunboat diplomats. And it is all too
> likely that such interference may not only cause even bigger problems later
> on, but can also encourage exploitation of the less developed
> tribe/community.
>
> Thanks for asking this question!
>
> Harold
>
> On 1/30/18 2:07 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
>
> I am hearing this pointed criticism from some quarters: That OST actually
> encourages conflict-avoidance via the Law of 2 Feet. In other words, people
> who need to be resolving conflict (or at least discussing it) can just
> avoid the touchy topic... and each other.
>
> Could this actually be true? If not why not?
>
>
>
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Re: [OSList] OST encourages avoidance of conflict

[Michael Herman via OSList]

I think I disagree with Dave on this. I only know his position from what's
been reported here, but I have met and listened to him speak. He strikes me
as quite a bit better than most at carving boundaries for himself and that,
I think, might color his experience of the encouragements OS does give to
resolve rather than avoid conflict.

We've noticed many times before that OS implies a higher level of exposure
for people than other ways of working. We've also noticed the deep
connections between groups, i.e. "They're all talking about the same
stuff," (in all the different breakouts). And when we go around the circle,
everyone hears and speaks to everyone. there's a high level of authenticity
that invites people to join and match.

In other words, where there are real conflicts, I think OS makes it pretty
hard to hide from them, even as it gives lots of room and options for
navigating them. If the purpose doesn't require they be settled, then the
work can proceed. If it does require resolution, the exposure and
connection and purpose will push for that.





On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 18:14 Harold Shinsato via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> Thanks for giving more detail about Snowden's thinking. I didn't want to
> mention his name without a fuller context as you have provided. I also
> disagree with his assessment of OST as a convergence tool. I've not seen
> happiness come from trying to squeeze convergence out of an OST event.
>
> I can't critique Snowden's disagreement with OST as an all purpose 'tool',
> though for me I have found great value in Harrison's wisdom about Open
> Space as not being a tool. I see Open Space as something I feel I
> experience in most Open Space Technology events, but they're not really the
> same thing. Given that distinction, "Open some space" does seem a valid all
> purpose approach. Even if that doesn't necessarily look like a formal Open
> Space Technology event.
>
>
> Harold
>
>
> On 1/30/18 4:44 PM, Chris Corrigan wrote:
>
> The well known management guru is David Snowden and his principle
> criticism against OST is the same as it is for every other method. It is
> not a panacea for every problem.
>
> More specifically, Dave’s issue as I understand it, is that groups operate
> within constraints. There are times when those constraints need to be
> tightly bound in order for things to happen and other times when they need
> to be relaxed.
>
> In situations in which you are developing new things conflict and
> diversity are helpful. Sometimes it helps to have a process in which people
> of differing perspectives are engaged in a tight container together to make
> something better. Open Space does not always do this, so if you need a
> required level of diversity (and conflict doesn’t always mean a fight) then
> OST might not be the best way to do it.
>
> I agree with this. Sometimes you need a formal negotiation structure to
> reach a decision. Sometimes you need expert opinions engaged in a
> deliberated and structured and way to do due diligence.
>
> Dave has other concerns with Open Space that I think he’s wrong about
> (that it is a convergence process for example) and I’ve talked with him
> extensively about that. But anyone who think that Dave believes Open Space
> doesn’t have utility is also wrong. He believes that it’s useful for
> certain things in certain contexts and not in others. On that we all agree,
> I would think.
>
> Chris.
>
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>
> On Jan 30, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Daniel,
>
> Interesting concern. I think I remember hearing this from a well respected
> management guru as a critique of Open Space. I can't help but wonder the
> following:
>
> - How well do individual adults resolve conflicts when an authority figure
> forces them?
> - How well do conflicting peoples or tribal communities resolve conflicts
> when they are forcibly held together by an imperial force (think Rome,
> USSR, pre-partition India, etc etc etc)
>
> If you are dealing with children or developmentally challenged individuals
> - especially those who have violated others rights are are in prison - I
> can imagine there being some value to some level of compulsion or coercion
> here. But even there, it may temporarily resolve the fighting and damage,
> but not the children's growth.
>
> If you are dealing with severe human rights being violated in tribal
> scenarios, I can see how that might justify gunboat diplomacy. But I can't
> imagine the tribal system will evolve to respect human rights without a
> huge additional investment from the gunboat diplomats. And it is all too
> likely that such interference may not only cause even bigger problems later
> on, but can also encourage exploitation of the less developed
> tribe/community.
>
> Thanks for asking this question!
>
> Harold
>
>
> On 1/30/18 2:07 PM, Daniel Mezick via 

Re: [OSList] OST facilitation technique: too prescriptive?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

I do this all the time, not prescribing but requesting, and always
explaining that it's for the benefit of those announcing and trying to get
to the wall to post topics. It's a request for looking out for others. It's
removing an obstacle.

M



On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 17:49 Thomas Herrmann via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi Dan
> I do ask people to return to their seat afternposting a topic. I also ask
> participants to start by making a brutto list of topics, divided on the
> different time slots of course, before starting any negotiations, merge or
> moving of topics.
> I think the magic focus when waiting for more topics, often in total
> silence, is special and it may be important to some of the participants.
> Cheers
> Thomas
>
> Skickat från min iPhone
>
> 31 jan. 2018 kl. 09:48 skrev Chuni Li via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> "Please return to your seat after posting your session" is actually in my
> script.
> The fact that I say this doesn't mean chatting won't happen around the
> market place. But I think it's fine to state this request out of respect.
> What often happens is when it gets to noisy and people can't hear the new
> announcements, someone will always shout out to quiet the noise.
>
> Chuni
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Greetings All,
>>
>> Lately I am noticing that, at the end of the building of Marketplace,
>> more than 1/2 or even 2/3 of the people may be milling around out of their
>> seats by the Marketplace chatting while the last 10 or 15 sessions are
>> getting announced and going to the wall. It can get loud, and sometimes the
>> last few folks do not really get heard.
>>
>> So I'm thinking of telling all the folks, as we start announcing topics,
>> "...After you post your session to the Marketplace, we ask you to please
>> return to your seat, to experience and hear the announcing of the rest of
>> the sessions. After all the announcements of all of the sessions slows
>> down, we'll declare the Marketplace open, leave our seats, and go to work.
>> Thanks."
>>
>> Assume there are 275-300 people in this situation.
>>
>> If you have experience, I have 2 questions for you:
>>
>> Is asking the folks to return to their seats too prescriptive in your
>> view? Why or why not?
>>
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Re: [OSList] WOSonOS 2018 Invitation Planning

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Some thoughts on your invitation about inviting and invitation(s), Mark...
since you invited comments...

This strikes me as the first time I've ever heard the "Open Space
Community" carved into "tribes," albeit as yet unnamed.  Might be true,
might even be useful, but my first sense is that it doesn't feel good.  It
doesn't feel like us, this thing about "tribes."

Then there is this business about "invitation(s)."  For years I have
advised clients to resist any urge to craft "versions" of their
invitation.  If we are to be one community, one gathering, one circle, then
we must come for one purpose stated in one invitation.  This doesn't mean
it must go out in one language, but it doesn't sound like these sessions
are about literally translating the invitation.  The one and only theme for
Open Space on Open Space is just that:  Open Space.

As for "representatives" from these unnamed "tribes," this strikes me as
completely antithetical to Open Space, where there are not factions and the
only person to represent anyone is themselves.  In Open Space, the only
people who can "identify the needs of the community" is everyone.  And the
last thing I'd want us to do is actually go an name the many tribes.
Thanks for not doing that!

In the past, when the community has acknowledged/accepted an offer to host
the world osonos, it's that person and sometimes a small local group who
gets to craft that invitation, so I would hope we might hear something from
Kari first.  Maybe we already have via the facebook group that's been
started.  And then, once we do get an invitation crafted by our host, THEN
there might be some business about translation, or not.  Doesn't matter,
we've been to more countries than I can count and language hasn't been a
problem yet.

Beyond that, inviting is simply a matter of anyone who cares to, and nobody
has to, but anyone who wants to can simply copy, paste, link, post, tweet
etc...  among friends: "Hey check this out, maybe we should go?"  and "I'm
going to this, please join me/us... it's the 26th annual international Open
Space on (and all about) Open(ing) Space."

Everyone can help invite and it's just that simple.  Take whatever Kari
posts or emails to the list and just repost, retweet, resend... to anyone
you think might learn and contribute to our whole community conversation.
Anything more would very likely be one more thing to not do.  Anything more
might be a lot of trying to organize something that's been self-organizing
for a quarter century already.  Anything more would seem to be speaking for
our gracious host.

The way forward seems simpler than what you're suggesting here, Mark.  It's
quite enough to "show up, bring friends and add spirit."  The most
compelling thing any of us can say about this year's world OSonOS is "I'm
definitely going -- Please come with me!"

I'm not sure if I can get there this year, but when Kari's first
announcement came out a little while ago, I did what I've been doing for
many years, I posted the details at openspaceworld.org.  If everyone just
does their small part, copying and reposting Kari's invitation as it
trickles out and takes shape... as ever, whoever comes will be exactly the
right people.  Or so we have been saying for many years.

Michael



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On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:57 PM, Mark Sheffield via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> The 26th annual World Open Space on Open Space has been confirmed for
> Reykjavík, Iceland on October 22-24, 2018.
>
>
>
> There are many tribes within the Open Space community. We are inviting
> representatives from each to help identify:
>
>- What we need as a community as we invite the world to WOSonOS 2018
>- How best to invite the world community so the right people will be
>eager to attend
>- How to frame the conversation around WOSonOS 2018
>
>
>
> If you have energy and passion to help with planning WOSonOS 2018 and
> invite your part of the global Open Space community, you are invited to
> participate in one or both of these free online planning sessions (in Open
> Space, of course):
>
>
>
> PART 1: (register at https://bpt.me/3319413) (Enter the password:
> PLAN2018)
>
> 6:00pm - 8:00pm (NEW YORK GMT -5:00) Saturday February 17
>
> 11:00pm - 1:00am (ICELAND GMT +0:00) Saturday February 17 - Sunday
> February 18
>
> 10:00am - NOON (SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA GMT +10:00 + DTS) Sunday February 18
>
>
>
> PART 2: (register at https://bpt.me/3325541)  (Enter the password:
> PLAN2018)
>
> NOON - 2:00pm (NEW YORK GMT -5:00) Sunday February 18
>
> 5:00pm - 7:00pm (ICELAND GMT +0:00) Sunday February 18
>
> 6:00pm - 8:00pm (GERMAANY GMT +1:00) Sunday February 18
>
>
>
> Please note that these planning sessions will focus on inviting and the
> invitation(s).
>
>
>
> If you are feeling passionate and responsible about representing your Open
> Space tribe by participating 

Re: [OSList] Test

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Came through yesterday and should have seen several replies to your message
about Lisa, too.


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On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Coming through over here!
>
> On 4 November 2017 at 19:04, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Seems like OSLIST has been barred from my world. So this is a test to see
>> if I can get through.
>>
>>
>>
>> ho
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [OSList] Lisa Carlson

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Wow.  Thanks for this sad news, Harrison.

It was Lisa who invited me into the Metanet online conversations about OS,
back in 1996, pre-oslist.  The stated price was $20 monthly and I
hesitated.  She said something like, "Don't worry about it, you'll
contribute some other way..."  I went home and read 4+ years of the
earliest conversations about OS, reopened some of them and joined in the
new ones.  I remember that time as some of the fastest, most amazing
learning I've ever done.  I showed up at my first OSonOS (OSonOS#4) later
that year as a full participant, knowing many of the people and so many of
the stories and ways of being.

My work on openspaceworld.org and other online OS contributions has always
been my way of paying forward the generosity of Lisa's invitation to join
those Metanet conversations.  That's just one of the ripples Lisa has left
in the world.  Changed my life, for sure, in just a very few
conversations.  She really was amazing.

Michael




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On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Old timers among you will remember Lisa Carlson. She reportedly died this
> morning. Lisa had been less than well for a long time. She was an old
> friend of mine and a founding partner of TMN (The MetaNetwork). A path
> maker in electronic networking and an early openspacer. She will be missed.
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
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>
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>
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Re: [OSList] WOSonOS17 group photo

[Michael Herman via OSList]

thanks for the photos and stories from tainan!  looking forward to hearing
some dates for iceland!  mh


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On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Barry Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> yes! Iceland might be the first OSonOS that I will have attended in a few
> decades.
>
> This message has been sent from my mobile device and therefore may be
> somewhat wonky.
>
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> On Oct 29, 2017 9:18 AM, "Thomas Herrmann via OSList" <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Woow this is great news!
>> We had a big hope for WOSonOS coming to Iceland. We annually have a
>> Nordic OSonOS and Kari already got the NOSonOS to Iceland for October 2018
>> with the hope to have it merge with WOSonOS - the more the merrier!
>> 2020 in Berlin sounds great too!
>> See you folks around!
>> Thomas
>>
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>
>> > 29 okt. 2017 kl. 15:09 skrev Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>> >
>> > Dear Jane and Sharon,
>> >
>> > thanks for the great photo, what a joy to see such an intergenerational
>> and worldwide crowd, touches my heart...
>> >
>> > Right now I am looking forward to the EurOSonOS in Iceland in 11 days
>> in Iceland... and already to the WOSonOS next year in October in Iceland,
>> too... and 2020 in Berlin.
>> >
>> > Greetings from sunny and stormy fall day in Berlin
>> >
>> > mmp
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Am 29.10.2017 um 11:36 schrieb Jane Lewis via OSList:
>> >> To answer Michael's request for our group photo on day two ... here
>> you go!
>> >> There's lots more on the FaceBook page.
>> >> cheers! Jane
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>> > Information on the European Open Space Learning Exchange in Iceland in
>> November here:
>> > http://www.meine-openspace-praxis.de/OSLEX.pdf
>> >
>> >
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>> Space Workers in 76 countries working in a total of 144 countries worldwide
>> > www.openspaceworldmap.org
>> >
>> > Here you find books and task cards on open space, most in German, some
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Re: [OSList] what convergence after 3 OS events ?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

a few thoughts, christine...

1.  i'd not be as interested in prioritizing everything as in sorting and
grouping things that are similar or overlapping.  voting is a quick way to
come up with a small number of attractors around which you can associate
all the other issues.

2.  it may or may not be possible or desirable to have a senior and/or
select group sort everything into clusters of issues and then simply open
some more space around each one of those.

3.  i would not do action planning with each group.  I would give the
proceedings from the first group to everyone.  then i would give the
proceedings from round two to everyone again.  by the time you get the
output from round three, i think you will see significant integration
happening.  it might be possible to sort/group just those issues from the
last round, but if not, the others should mostly fit in somewhere.  if
something from round one disappears by round 3, that probably means
something.

4.  alternatively, it may be that there is an org structure that for now is
in place and going to stay in place.  presumably, since they're staggering
the open space work, they're trying to keep the wheels turning while
reinventing themselves.  so another way to go is to take all of the
proceedings, distributed to all after each round, and do a new set of open
space meetings, where each operating group surveys everything in the
book(s) and claims what it is that they can own and do within their
immediate area and also what they could do with some help.  everything they
can do within their area can start immediately.  all the stuff that wants
to cross silos can be the subject of a new round of open space meetings.
duration of all os meetings proposed here is to be set as appropriate for
that particular issue/area/etc.  some of these silo-crossing issues will
naturally cluster, so you'll still end up with clusters of things to work
on.

5.  it's possible that one piece of work will be to end existing silos and
create new groupings.  maybe this can be done soon/quickly, maybe even in
advance of the first round of os meetings... maybe leaders already know
they want to reorg at the highest level around customer segments rather
than production systems, for instance.  anytihng that is
known/desired/planned already should be made explicit before the opens
pace, of course, as givens.  BUT... if some sort of post-existing-silos
organization is desired/expected but not yet known, they will learn a lot
about what shape(s) would be most helpful if they do #4 and study the
cross-over requests for help.  those represent the new organization trying
to be born.  if they move quickly around those things, they'll just want to
make sure that the old groups don't lose traction on the things they said
they could own as existing groups.

6.  some of this work may fit very well into a framework called enterprise
scrum, which i see as a slightly structured version of ongoing open space.
i have a colleague from france who's now not so far from you, living in
heidelberg.  i'd be glad to connect you if he'd be a help on the ground
there.  or i'd be glad to discuss this with you, as an extension of the
os+agile conversations you and i have had over time.

7.  don't forget the University of Kentucky rules for ongoing open space.
They might be helpful here.  There on my site or google will find you
multiple sources, i think.  Or I can get them for you.

8.  when holding followup meetings, logistically 100 can be a lot easier
than 300... which is to say that if they're going off-site for these
meetings, but they have an onsite space that will hold 100, then there's
nothing wrong with convening follow-on meetings where only the first 100
responders get the seats in the circle... and if many more want to attend a
given session, you'll already have experience of running three in series on
the same theme.

well, that's maybe more than a few thoughts... and i think i've actually
forgotten to mention something(s)... i'll stay tuned...

michael


p.s.   9. and don't forget to keep having fun.  fact is nobody knows what
the best way to go is, except one step at a time.  it sounds like they're
already in open space!  so you just help them stay there... do these three
and see what happens.  what a great situation!

p.p.s  10.  there's no reason the notes from each day can't be posted
somewhere the very next day!  don't let a lot of processing get in the
way... conveners are responsible for typing and posting their notes right
away.  no filtering.  and if they're all in one location, think about
printing them out and posting on the walls in a long hallway... keep the
news in front of everyone and it'll be one long meeting, not three!





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On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Scott Gassman via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Christine,
>
> You have a wonderful 

[OSList] Fwd: Catalan Request for OS help THIS WEEK

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Can anyone in the neighborhood help these folks?

I have no connection to this group.  The request came through the
openspaceworld.org website.
*If you can help, please contact them directly!*

Thanks, Michael



--- Forwarded message --
From: Carlota Subirós

*Name:* Carlota Subirós

*Email:* casubi...@gmail.com

*Country:* Spain

i'm a theatre director and professor at the Institut del Teatre, the
officcial Catalan Theatre & Dance School in Barcelona.
(www.institutdelteatre.cat)

I am considering proposing an Open Space session in our school for next
Thursday (October 12th), but i have never had any direct any direct
experience of Open Space.

Could you recommend someone in Barcelona (Spain) to give us some advice
and/or help us facilitate the session?

Thanks a lot!!!
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Re: [OSList] seeking contact for https://osacon.com/

[Michael Herman via OSList]

your message makes me grin this morning, mark.  what i hear you saying is,
"open space is not a spectator sport!"


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On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Mark Sheffield via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Jean -
>
> I am the facilitator for tomorrow's OSACON.
>
> The Open Space experience is best when each person has their own ticket
> and connects individually. Doing so makes it easier for each person to see
> and be seen in the video and to follow the Law of Two Feet independently.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mark Sheffield
> mark.sheffi...@triadtechnologysolutions.com
> (336)870-0616 <(336)%20870-0616>
>
> Book: The OpenSpace Agility Handbook
> 
> _
> From: Daniel Mezick via OSList 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 6:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [OSList] seeking contact for https://osacon.com/
> To: 
>
>
> Hi Jean,
>
> I am one of the organizers of the OSACON (Opening Space for Agility)
> conference event happening this coming Wednesday- tomorrow.
>
> Yes, you can buy multiple tickets, and when you do the system will ask for
> the details (name email etc) of each person for each ticket you buy. I just
> tested it to make sure it works for you. Send me an email if you have any
> questions OK?
>
>
>
> OSACON:
>
> Those of you unfamiliar with the event can learn more and consider
> attending here: www.OSACON.com
>
> It's an **online** Open Space aimed at applying Open Space (or better) at
> improving current results with Agile.
>
> (a rather large and growing opportunity for improvement.)
>
> The event also provides a primary way for people to find and meet each
> other.
>
> The theme of tomorrow's event is "Opening space for emerging greatness"
>
> Here's one way to translate this theme:
>
>
>- *Opening Space*: “affording and accommodating open discussion and
>open dialogue.”
>- *Emerging*: “to come into view” or “become apparent”
>- *Greatness*: “the abundance of goodness” (hat tip to Jim McCarthy
>for this definition.)
>
> So we might macro-expand this Theme, to say:
>
> *“…Affording and accommodating open discussion and open dialogue, for the
> abundance of goodness to come into view, or become apparent”*
> What does it take to get to legitimately GREAT results in an Agile
> context? What are the markers and characteristics?
> How do you know when the Agile is legitimately great?
>
> The wider question of course is “how do we to get there?”.
>
> That’s the subject of this event.
>
> You are invited! I hope to see you there!
>
>
> Wishing a nice day to all!
>
> -Daniel
>
>
> On 9/4/17 2:39 PM, Jean Richardson via OSList wrote:
>
> I just registered for the OSACON on 9/6.  I am trying to find an organizer
> who can tell me whether I can host multiple people co-located with me on my
> ticket.  Anyone here know anyone there?
>
>
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> --- Jean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: gate.site.jpg]*
>
>
> *Jean Richardson*
>
> Azure Gate Consulting
>
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>
>
>
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>
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>
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> 
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville

[Michael Herman via OSList]

 the people with their hands held up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ___
>>>>>> CHRIS CORRIGAN
>>>>>> www.chriscorrigan.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList <
>>>>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Lucas,
>>>>>> I echo Michael's comments about 'safety'...it cannot be promised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got into the start of your scripted intro and thought..."this is
>>>>>> too small a space that Lucas is creating...this is such a great
>>>>>> opportunity". I would not make definitive statements about the tarnished
>>>>>> name of Charlottesville etc as I think that closes some of the space..
>>>>>> Rather, I would really open the space wide for creating the community we
>>>>>> love". Who knows what inspirations might show up!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish you stellar outcomes! And yes, I would do it 'by the book'!
>>>>>> Birgitt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:17 AM Michael Herman via OSList <
>>>>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the thing i like about the original principles and law is that they
>>>>>>> are essentially descriptive, rather than prescriptive "ground rules."  
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> law, for instance, doesn't say one must use their two feet, it says "you
>>>>>>> and only you know when you are learning and contributing as much as you
>>>>>>> can."  this isn't a ground rule, it's more like a law of nature, defy 
>>>>>>> it at
>>>>>>> your own risk.  the moving about with two feet is just describing what
>>>>>>> happens when people notice and act on the reality of the natural law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the other thing i notice, lucas, is that you're attempting to
>>>>>>> promise safety.  that's a tall order.  made taller by simultaneously 
>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>> that ALL ideas are welcome.  the combination of inviting everyone to 
>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>> and contribute as much as they can, on the one hand, and be prepared to 
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> surprised, on the other, should be enough.  if you promise "safe" space,
>>>>>>> then as soon as anyone feels bad the hosts/facilitators are seen as
>>>>>>> responsible.  what you want is for everyone to be responsible for
>>>>>>> everyone's safety.  when the event finishes and everyone is still okay,
>>>>>>> THAT is something the group (not the facilitator) has done for itself,
>>>>>>> perhaps even the MOST important thing.  the principles and law 
>>>>>>> accomplish
>>>>>>> that pretty well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Herman
>>>>>>> Michael Herman Associates
>>>>>>> 312-280-7838 <(312)%20280-7838> (mobile)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>>>>>>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
>>>>>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only suggestion I would make is not to take any questions. May
>>>>>>>> seem rude, but the fact of the matter is that everything will be clear 
>>>>>>>> upon
>>>>>>>> departure, and the sooner you get to take off the better. One side
>>>>>>>> note—Personal prejudice, I’m sure—The original “5 Principles” and One 
>>>>>>>> Law
>>>>>>>> quickly do the job, and my preference is always to quickly get out of 
>>>>>>>> the
>>&g

Re: [OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville

[Michael Herman via OSList]

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On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Paul Levy via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> I believe the orientation of the facilitator to be one of "loving
> indifference";
>
> - love for the beauty and eloquent simplicity of OST
> - love for the - as yet to emerge - potential of the self organising
> meeting
>
> The facilitator need not hope for the best nor fear the worst. Their
> indifference - rooted in a deeper love of the "whatever" - is then an
> eloquent, gentle, minimally supportive  spiritual symmetry.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Paul Levy
>
>
>
> On 1 Sep 2017 13:48, "Birgitt Williams via OSList" <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Lucas,
>> I think it is helpful to have an attitude of 'we are going to create
>> something amazing and people will take action' within yourself. I cannot
>> imagine this going so well if there is any question within the facilitator
>> that there will be limited outcomes. And so I encourage you to think that
>> there have been many community OST events that have had outstanding
>> actions/follow throughand there have.
>>
>> I agree with Michael about many community events being geared to
>> conversation which is a great step forward just by itself...a noble reason
>> for OST.
>>
>> I also know that by stating 'givens' if it feels right to you to do so,
>> you could have as given:
>> -time will be given towards the end of the meeting to read reports of the
>> discussion groups
>> -dot voting to discern what the people really have energy for will be done
>> -based on the data we have...the reports and the results of the
>> voting...next steps for action will be invited
>>
>>
>> when a meeting is designed to garner action, there are additional design
>> elements.
>>
>> Blessings,
>> Birgitt
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:44 PM Michael Herman <mich...@michaelherman.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To your observation, Lucas, many community os and onconf events invite
>>> conversation rather than action. Need to invite action but also need to
>>> invite it at scale and expertise and resource levels that are true for the
>>> group. The tools you're offering might be useful but only if folks have the
>>> expertise, time, maybe money, etc they need. Inviting only those who do
>>> might shrink attendance. That's where some chest and invite less than they
>>> really want. Sometimes groups can go find what heft need as first action
>>> steps. Sometimes it possible or necessary to bring key resources as part of
>>> the invite. Anyway, the main thing is to start and see who comes, what they
>>> have and want and might do. It might take more than one meeting 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 16:09 Michael Herman <mich...@michaelherman.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Adding to birgitt... open space for *more* of the community we love.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 16:00 Chris Corrigan <chris.corri...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Instead of inviting questions, ask for a show of hands from everyone
>>>>> who has enough clarity to proceed. Ask people to hold their hands high.
>>>>> Then tell everyone that if you have a question about how things will work,
>>>>> ask one of the people with their hands held up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>
>>>>> ___
>>>>> CHRIS CORRIGAN
>>>>> www.chriscorrigan.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList <
>>>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lucas,
>>>>> I echo Michael's comments about 'safety'...it cannot be promised.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got into the start of your scripted intro and thought..."this is too
>>>>> small a space that Lucas is creating...this is such a great opportunity". 
>>>>> I
>>>>> would not make definitive statements about the tarnished name of
>>>>> Charlottesville etc as I think that closes some of the space.. Rather, I
>>>>> would really open the space wide for creating the community we love". Who
>>>>> knows what inspirations might sho

Re: [OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville

[Michael Herman via OSList]

To your observation, Lucas, many community os and onconf events invite
conversation rather than action. Need to invite action but also need to
invite it at scale and expertise and resource levels that are true for the
group. The tools you're offering might be useful but only if folks have the
expertise, time, maybe money, etc they need. Inviting only those who do
might shrink attendance. That's where some chest and invite less than they
really want. Sometimes groups can go find what heft need as first action
steps. Sometimes it possible or necessary to bring key resources as part of
the invite. Anyway, the main thing is to start and see who comes, what they
have and want and might do. It might take more than one meeting 



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 16:09 Michael Herman <mich...@michaelherman.com>
wrote:

> Adding to birgitt... open space for *more* of the community we love.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 16:00 Chris Corrigan <chris.corri...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Instead of inviting questions, ask for a show of hands from everyone who
>> has enough clarity to proceed. Ask people to hold their hands high. Then
>> tell everyone that if you have a question about how things will work, ask
>> one of the people with their hands held up.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> ___
>> CHRIS CORRIGAN
>> www.chriscorrigan.com
>>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Lucas,
>> I echo Michael's comments about 'safety'...it cannot be promised.
>>
>> I got into the start of your scripted intro and thought..."this is too
>> small a space that Lucas is creating...this is such a great opportunity". I
>> would not make definitive statements about the tarnished name of
>> Charlottesville etc as I think that closes some of the space.. Rather, I
>> would really open the space wide for creating the community we love". Who
>> knows what inspirations might show up!
>>
>> I wish you stellar outcomes! And yes, I would do it 'by the book'!
>> Birgitt
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:17 AM Michael Herman via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> the thing i like about the original principles and law is that they are
>>> essentially descriptive, rather than prescriptive "ground rules."  the law,
>>> for instance, doesn't say one must use their two feet, it says "you and
>>> only you know when you are learning and contributing as much as you can."
>>>  this isn't a ground rule, it's more like a law of nature, defy it at your
>>> own risk.  the moving about with two feet is just describing what happens
>>> when people notice and act on the reality of the natural law.
>>>
>>> the other thing i notice, lucas, is that you're attempting to promise
>>> safety.  that's a tall order.  made taller by simultaneously saying that
>>> ALL ideas are welcome.  the combination of inviting everyone to learn and
>>> contribute as much as they can, on the one hand, and be prepared to be
>>> surprised, on the other, should be enough.  if you promise "safe" space,
>>> then as soon as anyone feels bad the hosts/facilitators are seen as
>>> responsible.  what you want is for everyone to be responsible for
>>> everyone's safety.  when the event finishes and everyone is still okay,
>>> THAT is something the group (not the facilitator) has done for itself,
>>> perhaps even the MOST important thing.  the principles and law accomplish
>>> that pretty well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Michael Herman
>>> Michael Herman Associates
>>> 312-280-7838 <(312)%20280-7838> (mobile)
>>>
>>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The only suggestion I would make is not to take any questions. May seem
>>>> rude, but the fact of the matter is that everything will be clear upon
>>>> departure, and the sooner you get to take off the better. One side
>>>> note—Personal prejudice, I’m sure—The original “5 Principles” and One Law
>>>> quickly do the job, and my preference is always to quickly get out of the
>>>> way and let the people do their job. Good Luck!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Harrison
>>>

Re: [OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Adding to birgitt... open space for *more* of the community we love.


On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 16:00 Chris Corrigan <chris.corri...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Instead of inviting questions, ask for a show of hands from everyone who
> has enough clarity to proceed. Ask people to hold their hands high. Then
> tell everyone that if you have a question about how things will work, ask
> one of the people with their hands held up.
>
> Chris.
>
> ___
> CHRIS CORRIGAN
> www.chriscorrigan.com
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Lucas,
> I echo Michael's comments about 'safety'...it cannot be promised.
>
> I got into the start of your scripted intro and thought..."this is too
> small a space that Lucas is creating...this is such a great opportunity". I
> would not make definitive statements about the tarnished name of
> Charlottesville etc as I think that closes some of the space.. Rather, I
> would really open the space wide for creating the community we love". Who
> knows what inspirations might show up!
>
> I wish you stellar outcomes! And yes, I would do it 'by the book'!
> Birgitt
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:17 AM Michael Herman via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> the thing i like about the original principles and law is that they are
>> essentially descriptive, rather than prescriptive "ground rules."  the law,
>> for instance, doesn't say one must use their two feet, it says "you and
>> only you know when you are learning and contributing as much as you can."
>>  this isn't a ground rule, it's more like a law of nature, defy it at your
>> own risk.  the moving about with two feet is just describing what happens
>> when people notice and act on the reality of the natural law.
>>
>> the other thing i notice, lucas, is that you're attempting to promise
>> safety.  that's a tall order.  made taller by simultaneously saying that
>> ALL ideas are welcome.  the combination of inviting everyone to learn and
>> contribute as much as they can, on the one hand, and be prepared to be
>> surprised, on the other, should be enough.  if you promise "safe" space,
>> then as soon as anyone feels bad the hosts/facilitators are seen as
>> responsible.  what you want is for everyone to be responsible for
>> everyone's safety.  when the event finishes and everyone is still okay,
>> THAT is something the group (not the facilitator) has done for itself,
>> perhaps even the MOST important thing.  the principles and law accomplish
>> that pretty well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Herman
>> Michael Herman Associates
>> 312-280-7838 <(312)%20280-7838> (mobile)
>>
>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The only suggestion I would make is not to take any questions. May seem
>>> rude, but the fact of the matter is that everything will be clear upon
>>> departure, and the sooner you get to take off the better. One side
>>> note—Personal prejudice, I’m sure—The original “5 Principles” and One Law
>>> quickly do the job, and my preference is always to quickly get out of the
>>> way and let the people do their job. Good Luck!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Harrison
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Winter Address
>>>
>>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>>
>>> Potomac, MD 20854
>>>
>>> 301-365-2093 <(301)%20365-2093>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Summer Address
>>>
>>> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>>>
>>> Camden, ME 04843
>>>
>>> 207 763-3261 <(207)%20763-3261>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Websites
>>>
>>> www.openspaceworld.com
>>>
>>> www.ho-image.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Lucas Cioffi via OSList
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2017 6:29 PM
>>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Harrison, thanks so much for the prompt reply.  Below is the draft
>>> script for the event.  I wrote it down since I'm out of practice.  I won't
>>> re

Re: [OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville

[Michael Herman via OSList]

the thing i like about the original principles and law is that they are
essentially descriptive, rather than prescriptive "ground rules."  the law,
for instance, doesn't say one must use their two feet, it says "you and
only you know when you are learning and contributing as much as you can."
 this isn't a ground rule, it's more like a law of nature, defy it at your
own risk.  the moving about with two feet is just describing what happens
when people notice and act on the reality of the natural law.

the other thing i notice, lucas, is that you're attempting to promise
safety.  that's a tall order.  made taller by simultaneously saying that
ALL ideas are welcome.  the combination of inviting everyone to learn and
contribute as much as they can, on the one hand, and be prepared to be
surprised, on the other, should be enough.  if you promise "safe" space,
then as soon as anyone feels bad the hosts/facilitators are seen as
responsible.  what you want is for everyone to be responsible for
everyone's safety.  when the event finishes and everyone is still okay,
THAT is something the group (not the facilitator) has done for itself,
perhaps even the MOST important thing.  the principles and law accomplish
that pretty well.






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On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> The only suggestion I would make is not to take any questions. May seem
> rude, but the fact of the matter is that everything will be clear upon
> departure, and the sooner you get to take off the better. One side
> note—Personal prejudice, I’m sure—The original “5 Principles” and One Law
> quickly do the job, and my preference is always to quickly get out of the
> way and let the people do their job. Good Luck!
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
> Winter Address
>
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>
> Potomac, MD 20854
>
> 301-365-2093 <(301)%20365-2093>
>
>
>
> Summer Address
>
> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>
> Camden, ME 04843
>
> 207 763-3261 <(207)%20763-3261>
>
>
>
> Websites
>
> www.openspaceworld.com
>
> www.ho-image.com
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Lucas Cioffi via OSList
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2017 6:29 PM
> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville
>
>
>
> Hello Harrison, thanks so much for the prompt reply.  Below is the draft
> script for the event.  I wrote it down since I'm out of practice.  I won't
> read it word for word; it's just a guide.  You'll see the rules and the law
> are not referred to directly, since I think the crowd will understand it
> better if we explain it like this.
>
>
>
> Of course I may be very wrong about that.  I'm just doing what seems best
> in my judgement.  I'm 100% open to any and all suggestions!
>
>
>
> Lucas
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 8:30am: Opening
>
>
>
> [JESSICA]
>
> Welcome, everyone.  My name is Jessica G.  And my name is Lucas C.  All of
> us are gathered here to think together, and we are here to work together.
> If this goes well, it could be the start of something big.
>
>
>
> Charlottesville’s name has been tarnished.  We have a window of
> opportunity for a second act.  That window is closing.
>
>
>
> If there’s one community that can think outside the box and is not
> intimidated by obstacles, it’s the tech community.  But we need vision, we
> need passion, and we need to be grounded in what’s practical, so that’s why
> we invited the leaders of ten local civic and activist groups from across
> the political spectrum.
>
>
>
> [LUCAS]
>
> This is a participant-driven event, and it will be what we all make of
> it.  Our job as facilitators is to help you be at your best and then to get
> out of the way
>
>
>
> Some ground rules for all of us to keep in mind:
>
> ·Everyone is welcome here, and we mean everyone.
>
> ·All ideas are welcome here, and we mean all ideas.
>
> ·This is a safe space for all of us to express any idea, even
> ones which are tough to hear, as long as you are coming from a place of
> respect.
>
> ·And on the flip side, if you hear something that triggers you,
> first please assume that the other person is coming from a place of respect.
>
> ·Think about who is not in the room and speak for them if you
> can.  We don’t represent all of Charlottesville, so it’s important to think
> about who isn’t present so that we find solutions that work for the most
> people.
>
>
>
> Think big.  What can we do as a tech community and as a city that makes a
> splash nationally?  Can you think of a solution that breaks out of the
> left-right paradigm, or a solution that helps us find commonality rather
> than getting tripped up over a long and complicated racial past?  Can you
> find solutions that appeal to both the center and the fringes?
>
>
>
> Here’s how this event will 

[OSList] Looking for a facilitator for meeting in South Africa

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Here is a link to a group looking for a facilitator for a meeting coming up
quickly next month in South Africa.

The group is working for USAID.  The mtg will be for 20-40 people.
Probably there is some significant work to be done up front
setting/clarifying expectations. If the attached SOW makes it through our
filters here, you'll see they have a long list of questions that MIGHT come
up in the event, and there are some arbitrary requirements imposed, length
of report and such.

This is all I know about it.

Contact Miriam Zewdineh at mzewdi...@dexisonline.com for more info.

Michael




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Final SOW - Open Space Facilitator - June 2017.docx
Description: MS-Word 2007 document
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Re: [OSList] youtube clips

[Michael Herman via OSList]

for eleder and others new to transmogrification...

https://disemvowel.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/calvin-and-hobbes-by-bill-watterson-transmogrifier/


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On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 4:56 PM, agusj via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Thanks for the clips! Very useful!
>
> Agustin
>
>
> --
> *From:* Harrison Owen via OSList 
> *To:* 'Michael Wood' ; 'World wide Open Space
> Technology email list' 
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 6, 2017 7:19 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] youtube clips
>
> Marvelous! I love the transmogrification of the Principles!! Creating
> space for serious people to be seriously human has obviously escaped the
> box. Fantastic!!!
>
> Harrison
>
> Winter Address
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
> Potomac, MD 20854
> 301-365-2093 <(301)%20365-2093>
>
> Summer Address
> 189 Beaucauire Ave
> Camden, ME 04843
> 207 763-3261 <(207)%20763-3261>
>
> Websites
> www.openspaceworld.com
> www.ho-image.com
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Michael Wood via OSList
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 4, 2017 12:16 AM
> *To:* oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> *Subject:* [OSList] youtube clips
>
> Just when I think that everything in going a bit quiet on the OST front
> (in terms of interest), some new youtube clips show up.
>
> You know how occasionally we need an ‘elevator pitch’? (Harrison has one
> sitting in the back of a taxi I believe). Here are a couple of animated
> ones I discovered last week:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vEBcr_YkHU
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_jhcvCYBbg
>
>
> If the ‘characters’ get disturbed in transmission to the OSLIST then email
> me and I’ll email the links to you:
>
> Michael Wood
> Perth, Western Australia
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Re: [OSList] Open Space Outdoors

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Birgitt's story reminds me of a big OS meeting, 70+ topics on the "wall"
which was actually small panes of glass, as the space was a large open area
in the pool atrium of a giant, sprawling resort complex.  same thing, lots
of humidity overnight.  long soggy-ish pile of topics along the wall when i
arrived.

it's not exactly exotic or remote and wasn't even outside, but one hotel
had a habit of wiping the airwalls with furniture polish.  nothing would
stick to them.  finally, they brought out some 3' magnetic disks they used
to hang large banners outside.  they stuck so well to the wall we could
hardly get them off.  we used them to hold up long pieces of tape with the
sticky side turned out and stuck our papers to that.

chris corrigan and i proved once on bowen island that a bushy hedge and
some clothespins will make a workable wall, too.

m



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On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> This reminds me of a moment of great laughter, The setting was Highland,
> North Carolina for the Organizational Transformation conference, I think
> 1997. It was a conference that was a turning point in my life in so many
> ways I cannot list them all. Of greatest note is I met Chandra Christianson
> there, we became close friends after she walked across the circle and said
> 'I would like to get to know you', and she eventually introduced me to one
> of her dearest friends Ward...whom I married in 2000 which then resulted in
> my move from Ontario, Canada to Raleigh, North Carolina and ultimately to
> becoming a US citizen.
>
> It was also the event at which I met Barry Owen for the first time, out in
> some rocking chairs, and we instantly became fast friends. Barry also has
> been influential in my life in so many great ways, including a BIG lesson
> in facing a fearhe visited us in Canada, we went for a hike, and as I
> started sliding down a very ice covered hill with a dangerous fall off to
> one side, I was overwhelmed by fear. In that very calm way that Barry has,
> he scooted down the hill to catch up to me, and stayed by my side the whole
> way down, not rescuing me in any way but encouraging me inch by inch saying
> 'Birgitt, you can do it...face your fear and just do it'. Barry was also a
> catalyst in my meeting Ward. I flew to Tennessee to attend his wedding on a
> Feb 13 in 1999. It was such a short trip from there to Chandra in North
> Carolina, a bit of a detour on my way back to Canada. And it was on that
> trip and that detour that I met Ward.
>
> I had lots of surprises in that OST event! Transformative in the extreme!
>
> So, now back to the funny moment that caused me laughter. In an early
> morning walk at the crack of dawn, I and friends walked past the big white
> tent that our OST meeting was in. We peered through the windows sure we had
> seen something inside. And indeed there was someone even at that early
> hour. It was Harrison and he was rescuing reports and agenda items.
> Overnight there had been so much dew that everything had fallen off of the
> walls. Harrison was hard at work so that everything would be in top notch
> shape when we all arrived. The laughter by those of us who were close
> friends of his was the acknowledgement that he secretly worked much harder
> than he ever let on!
>
> A good time was had by all,
> Birgitt
>
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:29 PM Daniel Mezick via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Greetings Chad,
>>
>> Regarding Open Space outside:
>>
>> Some years ago I did arrange an OST event for outside. We used one of
>> those tents you can rent with the white tops and roll-down sides with the
>> little plastic windows (in case of wind or rain.) You can rent big round
>> ones, or big, rectangle-shaped ones.
>>
>> One thing that worked good was blue-taping the OST posters to a piece of
>> cardboard cut from a large box. We took that and then duct-taped it to each
>> of the tent poles. That actually worked pretty good-- they did not fall
>> down or spin or flap around or anything like that. The duct tape held good.
>>
>> So you might want to try this also, that is, if you are also getting a
>> big tent for your event.
>>
>> Materials:
>>
>>- Posters
>>- Blue tape
>>- Duct tape
>>    - Cardboard backing (cut from a larger box) for the posters
>>
>> Marketplace:
>>
>> We used a big white board on wheels and wheeled it out to the meeting
>> area, and put the marketplace on that. This also worked great.
>>
>> Regards,
&g

Re: [OSList] Open Space Outdoors

[Michael Herman via OSList]

you might search the archives for "beach" ...and you should find ralph
copleman's query years ago for ideas for dealing with the challenges of
seaside open space.


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On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Chad Clippingdale via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> I'm interested in learning about people's experience of
> hosting/facilitating open space outdoors, specifically in more remote
> locations. Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Chad
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Re: [OSList] OS online facilitators for hire?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

lucas cioffi and i organized a virtual open space on open space two years
ago, james.  details at vosonos.qiqochat.com.  is that what you're thinking
of?

michael


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On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 12:47 PM, James Sheldon via OSList <
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> I remember a while back attending an online open space (offered through
> collaborative meeting software with multiple rooms) that was being
> professionally facilitated by a facilitator who offered online OS's to the
> community at a rather reasonable rate.  Does anyone know of someone who
> might fit this bill?  (It doesn't have to be the same person...)
>
> James
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