I think that’s the law of gravitas you’re defying, Paul! 🎿🚡⛷m
On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 23:28 paul levy <[email protected]> wrote: > That's beautiful, Michael, and I can go with it > > Yet, mysteriously for me, in my deeper experience of my life, even the law > of gravity feels like a kind of invitation, one which I occasionally refuse. > > Paul > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, 04:11 Michael Herman via OSList, < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> for me, it actually is a kind of law: "you and only you know when you >> are learning and contributing as much as you can." >> >> a law, as chris corrigan taught me to say, "...that's not like a speed >> limit, but more like the law of gravity. defy it at your own risk!" >> >> having pointed this out in an opening circle, i then suggest that >> everyone in circle has the same job, the right AND the responsibility, to >> use their two feet and/or whatever else they use to get around, to go >> wherever they need to, to maximize their own learning and contribution. >> >> in the end we don't care if they move... what we want is highest learning >> and highest contribution. >> >> for me, in open space, personal passion/freedom is always >> bounded/informed by responsibility/contribution to the whole. >> >> i think our pulsation between these apparent opposites, passion and >> responsibility, learning and contributing, me and us, past and future, and >> so on... is what drives it all. we can't get stuck. we have to keep >> moving. each of us, for all of us. >> >> learning and practicing this kind of pulsation, between apparent >> opposites, is for me the most important thing we invite in open space. >> it's in the going back and forth that strengthens us. >> >> michael >> >> >> -- >> >> Michael Herman >> Michael Herman Associates >> 312-280-7838 (mobile) >> >> MichaelHerman.com >> OpenSpaceWorld.org >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 12:49 PM paul levy via OSList < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I haven't called it a law in years. >>> >>> That is because it isn't a law. It is an eternal invitation. >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022, 16:08 Bhavesh Patel via OSList, < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Michael, always appreciate the time you take to write longer >>>> emails and share stories. >>>> >>>> The way you intro the Law is pretty much exactly how I do it as well, >>>> using almost the same language. That for me still involves using my freedom >>>> to take responsibility for my learning, contribution, productivity, and >>>> where that is going to happen or not going to happen, at the same time >>>> never fully knowing and always responding to all that is happening within, >>>> between, and among... self-organisation, or as Morin says >>>> eco-self-organsation! >>>> >>>> I also have a very similar approach to space invaders, and have rarely >>>> encountered one. There was one time when a person twice the size of me, a >>>> former head of a big brand, took the mic for me and told everyone to stop >>>> putting up topics on the second morning, because he had done a full >>>> analysis of day 01 and could now tell us what we needed to do. I told him >>>> that was great and kindly asked him to write it up and stick it up, but he >>>> held on to the mic and repeated that this was not necessary and now we all >>>> needed to listen to him and... there was a stand-off with both of us >>>> holding the mic, until one of his peers asked him to let the facilitator do >>>> his job, he backed off, and guess what, not many came to his session, >>>> and... >>>> >>>> I have also used the walk out approach when nothing was happening, on >>>> reflection I think I needed to leave the room for that group to truly >>>> believe the power is in their hands to post topics! >>>> >>>> I guess what I was trying to think about was what to do when someone is >>>> clearly speaking in a way that is offensive to others... people can use >>>> their two feet, the facilitator can also walk out of the room, what else is >>>> there... I don't think OST = anything and everything is ok... so I was >>>> reflecting on that... not sure if I am making sense to anyone??? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 at 12:41, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Bhavesh, >>>>> >>>>> The Law of Two Feet (this is, of course, no Law but tongue of cheeck >>>>> speak of the Man with the Hat) has not felt to me as a reminder to be >>>>> responsible for where I want to be. >>>>> In my intro to the process I say in the role of facilitator: "And >>>>> here", >>>>> pointing to the large poster on the wall of the space or on a large >>>>> pinboard on the edge of the outer circle or floating above the crowd >>>>> of >>>>> 2108 supported by large balloons, have a look here >>>>> > >>>>> https://openspaceworldscape.org/events/165-jetzt-meine-leidenschaft-meine-verantwortung-ueber-die-tagung-hinaus-now-my-passion-my-responsibility-beyond-the-conference >>>>> >>>>> "is the Law of Two Feet which has to be utterly adhered to as it is a >>>>> LAW: >>>>> I honor a group with my absence if I neither learn nor contribute >>>>> something. If I am learning something I stay, if I am contributindg >>>>> something I also stay. >>>>> But if neither, then I'll do the group and especially myself the favor >>>>> of taking my feet... ", and here I imitate the Man by looking at my >>>>> feet >>>>> for 3 seconds lift them and run a short distance in front of the >>>>> assembled crowd... continuing:"... and move to a space which is more >>>>> productive for me... or to take a nap." (At this point folks usually >>>>> laugh out loud, incited by my awkward running style) >>>>> >>>>> Now all this has nothing to do with taking responsibility for where I >>>>> want to be. I am focusing on this because I as facilitator am not in >>>>> any >>>>> way responsible for what anyone does, under the assumption that >>>>> everyone >>>>> is naturally "responsible"... and I adress it in the systemic context >>>>> we >>>>> are in when in an os event, and that it is selforganisation all the >>>>> time. >>>>> >>>>> Regarding space invaders - which I rarely have encountered probably >>>>> because I am such an awsome event myself, especially when totally >>>>> present and at the same time invisible - I do intervene. >>>>> >>>>> My first intervention is to do nothing and wait (at this point I >>>>> understand why I am being paid for this job). If the crowd is kind of >>>>> struck and silent, also waiting, I still wait. Usually, this >>>>> intervention does get addressed by a participant, which causes another >>>>> participant to react... and results in a short exchange in which >>>>> usually >>>>> someone then gets the space invader to see that the group does not >>>>> oust him. >>>>> >>>>> If no participant intervenes and I have counted to 10, I ask: "Who >>>>> else >>>>> feels like Charlie?" This always works, one or several other >>>>> participants will say something. The main advantage of participants >>>>> participating in this is that the space invader immidiately sees that >>>>> he/she is still part of the group, not an outsider. >>>>> >>>>> Another observation I have made is that some space invasions are >>>>> aggressive while others are certainly productive but not executed >>>>> completely. >>>>> >>>>> At one event, one participant got up to introduce his issue (others >>>>> had >>>>> posted issues before him) and said: "I have the most important 5 >>>>> issues >>>>> that need to be worked on!" and deposited his 5 issue sheets in the >>>>> center. >>>>> Here I intervened right away and reminded him that the issues have to >>>>> be >>>>> announced and posted on the Bulletin Board and that he shoulc say his >>>>> name. Somewhat nervous he picke up his 5 issues, spoke to them and >>>>> then >>>>> posted them on the Bulletin Board. >>>>> Later in the day he approached me and said: "Michael, nobody signed in >>>>> for my issues! This was an important lesson for me." >>>>> >>>>> So, its not about what is allowed or not. Its about how space and time >>>>> for selforganisation are expanded right then and here. Thats what I >>>>> recommend facilitators to focus on. >>>>> >>>>> The utmost the facilitator can do in case stuff gets out of control >>>>> and >>>>> nothing works is to leave the space. >>>>> I have experienced this twice in os events. >>>>> First event was the gathering of 300 Imams and Rabbis in Sevilla where >>>>> HO facilitated and I was his assistant. The participants kept posting >>>>> isssues without end and even after allocating 15 minutes more they >>>>> kept >>>>> going. When the time was over, HO turned to me and spoke into the >>>>> mikrophone "Michael, please take over!" and left the room. It took >>>>> only >>>>> minutes that the participants stopped posting issues and moved into >>>>> the >>>>> phase to walk up to the Bulletin Board to sign up for issues they >>>>> wanted >>>>> to work on. >>>>> >>>>> The second example was an os with facilitators from different >>>>> approaches >>>>> in which I was participant. >>>>> In the closing circle of the first day, one participant insisted on a >>>>> discussion of a particularly critical aspect. He ignored the >>>>> facilitators suggestion to post his issue for a session after dinner >>>>> or >>>>> the next day. No, he wanted to continue. The facilitator pointed to >>>>> the >>>>> schedule and the amount of time left. At the end of the agreed upon >>>>> time >>>>> he stood up and left the room. >>>>> Two minutes later, the entire group left, too. >>>>> >>>>> What about other stories on The Law and Space Invadors? >>>>> >>>>> Right now I am returning to the breakfast table where we are talking >>>>> about the urgent recommendation of the German Government to all German >>>>> citizens presently in the Ukraine to leave the Ukraine and return home >>>>> immediately. >>>>> >>>>> War? >>>>> >>>>> Greetings from Berlin >>>>> mmp >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 20.02.2022 um 08:18 schrieb Bhavesh Patel via OSList: >>>>> > It's an interesting one because: >>>>> > >>>>> > * The Law of Two Feet - is about us choosing to take responsibility >>>>> > for where we want to be. >>>>> > >>>>> > * Space Invaders - is the idea that NOT everything is allowed, and >>>>> if >>>>> > it feels like someone is controlling the space for another, then >>>>> the >>>>> > facilitator does something about it. >>>>> > >>>>> > So it's an interesting grey area between when it is more about the >>>>> Law >>>>> > and when it is more about Space Invaders and stepping in... and who >>>>> is >>>>> > the facilitator when it comes to this loop anyway? >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 at 03:58, Harold Shinsato via OSList >>>>> > <[email protected] <mailto: >>>>> [email protected]>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > The OSList is intended to truly be "whoever comes is the right >>>>> people". >>>>> > >>>>> > The "Law of Two Feet" is hopefully something we take seriously >>>>> here. >>>>> > >>>>> > I wish there was a feature in the OSList where you could "walk >>>>> away" >>>>> > from a conversation without having to leave the OSList. Well, >>>>> you could >>>>> > just ignore the conversations where you are neither learning nor >>>>> > contributing. >>>>> > >>>>> > Another option most email systems have ways are message filters >>>>> that >>>>> > could automatically delete what you don't want. That is an >>>>> option. With >>>>> > a little effort that would be a way to employ "The Law of Two >>>>> Feet" or >>>>> > the "Law of Mobility". >>>>> > >>>>> > Best wishes to all! >>>>> > Harold >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > OSList mailing list >>>>> > To post send emails to [email protected] >>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>>>> > >>>>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>>> > < >>>>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> >>>>> > Past archives can be viewed here: >>>>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >>>>> > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > OSList mailing list >>>>> > To post send emails to [email protected] >>>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>>>> > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>>> > Past archives can be viewed here: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >>>>> -- >>>>> Michael M Pannwitz >>>>> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Draisweg+1,+12209+Berlin?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> +49 30 7728000 [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> OSList mailing list >>>>> To post send emails to [email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>>>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>>> Past archives can be viewed here: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSList mailing list >>>> To post send emails to [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>> Past archives can be viewed here: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list >>> To post send emails to [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>> Past archives can be viewed here: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> Past archives can be viewed here: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > -- -- Michael Herman Michael Herman Associates 312-280-7838 (mobile) MichaelHerman.com OpenSpaceWorld.org
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