Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[paul levy via OSList]

Lucas

I wrote this a year ago but keep coming back to it. I go with the view that
there is something else in the digital realm we've yet to invent. As things
stand I feel concerned about what we are doing "online" especially in our
attempts to transpose physical to digital via metaphors borrowed from the
physical ...

"After I nearly died my whole life flashed in front of me and then the
image settled into an enormous tableau, like a tapestry I could step
through.

"Time became space and every moment of my life was there in crystal clarity
- from my birth to my final moments, spread out in all directions around
me.

"Yet somehow I could also behold it all at the same time, in the same
place. It was then I noticed the holes - frightening spaces in the picture,
empty even of shadow. Utter nothingness.

"I knew in that moment our tapestries are meant to be entire, to be
complete. These were the holes when I was not present in my own waking
life. These were little voids claimed by other influences on my attention.
Some of the tears and holes in my life picture were tiny, some were huge.
Yet I knew I needed the whole picture to move on properly.

Then I realised it: These were the holes when I was texting, letting the
infinite quality of my life be remade into ones and zeros that were never
truly born of my being, the gestures I made, without actually caring or
being there in my heart and mind. And these were spaces I could never
easily fill again.

"The picture unraveled like a tsunami then fractured. Voiceless I screamed,
and awoke, sweating in my bed."

Paul

On Sunday, 28 August 2016, Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest
> online Open Space experience using video chat.
>
> I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that you might
> have a moment to think about what online OS experience would work best for
> you, rather than letting my thoughts influence yours.
>
>
>
> My...
>
>
> thoughts...
>
>
> are...
>
>
> down...
>
>
> below...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here are my rough thoughts:
>
> 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You can see the following:
>
>- where the opening circle is
>- how many virtual breakout spaces there are
>- who is in each virtual space right now
>- what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board /
>marketplace / idea wall)
>
> 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.
>
> *Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:*
> 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area available to
> all participants.
>
> 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like to speak.
>
> 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to step away
> for a moment").
>
> *Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to hearing what you have
> in mind!*
>
> Lucas Cioffi
> Founder, QiqoChat
> Charlottesville, VA
> Mobile: 917-528-1831
>
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Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

s it finishes.  A way to
>>> capture notes and share them with everyone.
>>>
>>> The onscreen view can be very simple.  I'm wondering just now what it
>>> would look like as a slightly larger than screen-sized space, so it needed
>>> to be moved around and zoomed like a google map.  That's a totally new idea
>>> for me, just now, and I think i do like that.  Zoom and Slide in a big
>>> online working space.  Can you rig that up, Lucas?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Michael Herman
>>> Michael Herman Associates
>>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>>>
>>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Makes me of the response from a techie on why they still have face to
>>>> face meetings with all the tech available for communication: higher
>>>> bandwidth.
>>>>
>>>> Ben — thanks for painting a terrific picture of the potential.
>>>>
>>>> Peggy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _
>>>> Peggy Holman
>>>> Executive Director
>>>> Journalism that Matters
>>>> 15347 SE 49th Place
>>>> Bellevue, WA  98006
>>>> 425-746-6274
>>>> www.journalismthatmatters.net
>>>> www.peggyholman.com
>>>> Twitter: @peggyholman
>>>> JTM Twitter: @JTMStream
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into
>>>> Opportunity <http://www.engagingemergence.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
>>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it happened, the
>>>> folks who were present for the first OS, and subsequently constituted major
>>>> parts of the early community were all Techies of a sort. Some of them
>>>> actually designed systems and wrote code and others were more “eager
>>>> participants” – that would include me. The new toy was Internet, which at
>>>> the point we became involved was still property of the US Army and known as
>>>> DARPA NET. The world changed under our feet, and the word “exciting” is
>>>> pretty limp.
>>>>
>>>> Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw possibilities
>>>> in OS. One group came to me with what they thought was a revolutionary
>>>> idea: Set up a room full of laptops and have everybody communicate through
>>>> them and a “master” screen set on the wall. The whole thing was prewired
>>>> and magnificently packaged. They made their presentation, but their faces
>>>> fell when I said, “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact, I
>>>> believe they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations
>>>> who were (had been) convinced that their executives were too shy, or
>>>> whatever, to communicate directly, face to face.
>>>>
>>>> The iterations have continued over the years. You know  the most recent
>>>> ones, but there are more. I have always admired the energy and creativity.
>>>> But at the end of the day, I really didn’t see much value added that
>>>> couldn’t have been supplied (at much less cost) by the simple application
>>>> of everyday, off the shelf kinds of stuff. I do grant that the proposed
>>>> systems were an awful lot prettier – and I really was impressed with my
>>>> electronic “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me that we
>>>> were looking at a technology in search of an application. I totally
>>>> understand the techie attraction, and I salute their tenacity….
>>>>
>>>> Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience online”
>>>> just doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious – but it rather
>>>> reminds me of attempting to replicate making love.
>>>>
>>>> So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide open and
>>>> massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t think.
>>>>
>>>> Harrison
>>>&g

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Birgitt Williams via OSList]

 our feet, and the word “exciting” is
>>>> pretty limp.
>>>>
>>>> Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw possibilities
>>>> in OS. One group came to me with what they thought was a revolutionary
>>>> idea: Set up a room full of laptops and have everybody communicate through
>>>> them and a “master” screen set on the wall. The whole thing was prewired
>>>> and magnificently packaged. They made their presentation, but their faces
>>>> fell when I said, “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact, I
>>>> believe they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations
>>>> who were (had been) convinced that their executives were too shy, or
>>>> whatever, to communicate directly, face to face.
>>>>
>>>> The iterations have continued over the years. You know  the most recent
>>>> ones, but there are more. I have always admired the energy and creativity.
>>>> But at the end of the day, I really didn’t see much value added that
>>>> couldn’t have been supplied (at much less cost) by the simple application
>>>> of everyday, off the shelf kinds of stuff. I do grant that the proposed
>>>> systems were an awful lot prettier – and I really was impressed with my
>>>> electronic “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me that we
>>>> were looking at a technology in search of an application. I totally
>>>> understand the techie attraction, and I salute their tenacity….
>>>>
>>>> Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience online”
>>>> just doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious – but it rather
>>>> reminds me of attempting to replicate making love.
>>>>
>>>> So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide open and
>>>> massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t think.
>>>>
>>>> Harrison
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Winter Address
>>>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>>> Potomac, MD 20854
>>>> 301-365-2093
>>>>
>>>> Summer Address
>>>> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>>>> Camden, ME 04843
>>>> 207 763-3261
>>>>
>>>> Websites
>>>> www.openspaceworld.com
>>>> www.ho-image.com
>>>>
>>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf Of *Suzanne
>>>> Daigle via OSList
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
>>>> *To:* Harrison Owen
>>>> *Cc:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using
>>>> video chat?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello HO,
>>>>
>>>> NOW WHAT indeed!
>>>>
>>>> No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling forth
>>>> with the feeling of "love",  a word I would not have dared utter loudly in
>>>> public, most especially in professional contexts. Yet those feelings are
>>>> undeniably there and I shall utter them as they happen. :-) So far I've
>>>> survived speaking my mind... Even more it's blasted holes by opening more
>>>> space that led to productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I
>>>> didn't keep my mouth shut. With guys and gals.
>>>>
>>>> Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world. Beyond
>>>> the so called internet. As one who has hosted often in my physical house
>>>> and been similarly hosted in the homes of others, I know there is more to
>>>> be invented there.
>>>> While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly partake
>>>> in the joy of this imagined future experience and I will wholeheartedly
>>>> nudge, prod, and encourage those who passionately see beyond the reaches of
>>>> what I see.
>>>>
>>>> So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty Martini
>>>> in Manila so I can paint a picture of what I see?
>>>>
>>>> After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of Open Space with
>>>> all this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am I that it came my way!
>>>>
>>>> From a happy Florida camper,
>>>> Suzanne
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen" <hho...@

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

een supplied (at much less cost) by the simple application
>>> of everyday, off the shelf kinds of stuff. I do grant that the proposed
>>> systems were an awful lot prettier – and I really was impressed with my
>>> electronic “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me that we
>>> were looking at a technology in search of an application. I totally
>>> understand the techie attraction, and I salute their tenacity….
>>>
>>> Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience online”
>>> just doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious – but it rather
>>> reminds me of attempting to replicate making love.
>>>
>>> So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide open and
>>> massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t think.
>>>
>>> Harrison
>>>
>>>
>>> Winter Address
>>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>> Potomac, MD 20854
>>> 301-365-2093
>>>
>>> Summer Address
>>> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>>> Camden, ME 04843
>>> 207 763-3261
>>>
>>> Websites
>>> www.openspaceworld.com
>>> www.ho-image.com
>>>
>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
>>> <oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf Of *Suzanne Daigle
>>> via OSList
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
>>> *To:* Harrison Owen
>>> *Cc:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using
>>> video chat?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello HO,
>>>
>>> NOW WHAT indeed!
>>>
>>> No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling forth with
>>> the feeling of "love",  a word I would not have dared utter loudly in
>>> public, most especially in professional contexts. Yet those feelings are
>>> undeniably there and I shall utter them as they happen. :-) So far I've
>>> survived speaking my mind... Even more it's blasted holes by opening more
>>> space that led to productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I
>>> didn't keep my mouth shut. With guys and gals.
>>>
>>> Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world. Beyond
>>> the so called internet. As one who has hosted often in my physical house
>>> and been similarly hosted in the homes of others, I know there is more to
>>> be invented there.
>>> While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly partake in
>>> the joy of this imagined future experience and I will wholeheartedly nudge,
>>> prod, and encourage those who passionately see beyond the reaches of what I
>>> see.
>>>
>>> So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty Martini in
>>> Manila so I can paint a picture of what I see?
>>>
>>> After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of Open Space with all
>>> this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am I that it came my way!
>>>
>>> From a happy Florida camper,
>>> Suzanne
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen" <hho...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are right!! AND. Your
>>> imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I imagine the
>>> possibility of  a Virtual House where I could drop in to just hang out with
>>> family, friends, colleagues and Open Space pals, from around the world, I
>>> know that this possibility exists. To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt,
>>> Sharon Joy in Manila, Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time. Ever
>>> since It’s called The Internet.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > NOW WHAT!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ho
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Winter Address
>>> >
>>> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>> >
>>> > Potomac, MD 20854
>>> >
>>> > 301-365-2093
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Summer Address
>>> >
>>> > 189 Beaucauire Ave
>>> >
>>> > Camden, ME 04843
>>> >
>>> > 207 763-3261
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > We

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Birgitt Williams via OSList]

rite
> and read topics for discussion and hang them somewhere.  We need a way for
> anyone to ask the facilitator a question, but ideally not in the middle of
> the opening briefing, or right as it finishes.  A way to capture notes and
> share them with everyone.
>
> The onscreen view can be very simple.  I'm wondering just now what it
> would look like as a slightly larger than screen-sized space, so it needed
> to be moved around and zoomed like a google map.  That's a totally new idea
> for me, just now, and I think i do like that.  Zoom and Slide in a big
> online working space.  Can you rig that up, Lucas?
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Makes me of the response from a techie on why they still have face to
>> face meetings with all the tech available for communication: higher
>> bandwidth.
>>
>> Ben — thanks for painting a terrific picture of the potential.
>>
>> Peggy
>>
>>
>>
>> _
>> Peggy Holman
>> Executive Director
>> Journalism that Matters
>> 15347 SE 49th Place
>> Bellevue, WA  98006
>> 425-746-6274
>> www.journalismthatmatters.net
>> www.peggyholman.com
>> Twitter: @peggyholman
>> JTM Twitter: @JTMStream
>>
>> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into
>> Opportunity <http://www.engagingemergence.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it happened, the folks
>> who were present for the first OS, and subsequently constituted major parts
>> of the early community were all Techies of a sort. Some of them actually
>> designed systems and wrote code and others were more “eager participants” –
>> that would include me. The new toy was Internet, which at the point we
>> became involved was still property of the US Army and known as DARPA NET.
>> The world changed under our feet, and the word “exciting” is pretty limp.
>>
>>
>> Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw possibilities in
>> OS. One group came to me with what they thought was a revolutionary idea:
>> Set up a room full of laptops and have everybody communicate through them
>> and a “master” screen set on the wall. The whole thing was prewired and
>> magnificently packaged. They made their presentation, but their faces fell
>> when I said, “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact, I
>> believe they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations
>> who were (had been) convinced that their executives were too shy, or
>> whatever, to communicate directly, face to face.
>>
>> The iterations have continued over the years. You know  the most recent
>> ones, but there are more. I have always admired the energy and creativity.
>> But at the end of the day, I really didn’t see much value added that
>> couldn’t have been supplied (at much less cost) by the simple application
>> of everyday, off the shelf kinds of stuff. I do grant that the proposed
>> systems were an awful lot prettier – and I really was impressed with my
>> electronic “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me that we
>> were looking at a technology in search of an application. I totally
>> understand the techie attraction, and I salute their tenacity….
>>
>> Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience online” just
>> doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious – but it rather reminds
>> me of attempting to replicate making love.
>>
>> So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide open and
>> massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t think.
>>
>> Harrison
>>
>>
>> Winter Address
>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>> Potomac, MD 20854
>> 301-365-2093
>>
>> Summer Address
>> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>> Camden, ME 04843
>> 207 763-3261
>>
>> Websites
>> www.openspaceworld.com
>> www.ho-image.com
>>
>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
>> <oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf Of *Suzanne Daigle
>> via OSList
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
>> *To:* Harrison Owen
&

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[doug via OSList]

__
__ __
__ __
Winter Address
7808 River Falls Dr.
Potomac, MD 20854
301-365-2093  >
__ __
Summer Address
189 Beaucauire Ave
Camden, ME 04843
207 763-3261 <tel:207%20763-3261> <tel:207%20763-3261>
__ __
Websites
www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
<http://www.openspaceworld.com/
<http://www.openspaceworld.com/>>
www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com>
<http://www.ho-image.com/>
__ __
*From:* OSList
[mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>
<mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>>] *On Behalf
Of *Suzanne Daigle via OSList
    *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
        *To:* Harrison Owen
    *Cc:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
*Subject:* Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for
Online OS using
video chat?
__ __

Hello HO,

NOW WHAT indeed!

No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me
bubbling
forth with the feeling of "love",  a word I would not
have dared
utter loudly in public, most especially in professional
contexts.
Yet those feelings are undeniably there and I shall
utter them as
they happen. :-) So far I've survived speaking my
mind... Even
more it's blasted holes by opening more space that led to
productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I
didn't keep
my mouth shut. With guys and gals. 

Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual
world.
Beyond the so called internet. As one who has hosted
often in my
physical house and been similarly hosted in the homes of
others, I
know there is more to be invented there.
While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will
gladly
partake in the joy of this imagined future experience
and I will
wholeheartedly nudge, prod, and encourage those who
passionately
see beyond the reaches of what I see. 

So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a
hearty
Martini in Manila so I can paint a picture of what I
see?

After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of
Open Space
with all this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am
I that it
came my way!

From a happy Florida camper,
Suzanne

On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen"
<hho...@verizon.net <mailto:hho...@verizon.net>
<mailto:hho...@verizon.net <mailto:hho...@verizon.net>>>
wrote:
>
> OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are
right!! AND.
Your imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I
imagine the possibility of  a Virtual House where I
could drop in
to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and
Open Space
pals, from around the world, I know that this
possibility exists.
To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in
Manila,
Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
>
>
>
> Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time.
Ever
since It’s called The Internet.
>
>
>
> NOW WHAT!
>
>
>
> ho
>
>
>
>
>
> Winter Address
>
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>
> Potomac, MD 20854
>
> 301-365-2093  >
>
>
>

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

nds of stuff. I do grant that the proposed
> systems were an awful lot prettier – and I really was impressed with my
> electronic “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me that we
> were looking at a technology in search of an application. I totally
> understand the techie attraction, and I salute their tenacity….
>
> Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience online” just
> doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious – but it rather reminds
> me of attempting to replicate making love.
>
> So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide open and
> massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t think.
>
> Harrison
>
>
> Winter Address
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
> Potomac, MD 20854
> 301-365-2093
>
> Summer Address
> 189 Beaucauire Ave
> Camden, ME 04843
> 207 763-3261
>
> Websites
> www.openspaceworld.com
> www.ho-image.com
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
> <oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf Of *Suzanne Daigle
> via OSList
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
> *To:* Harrison Owen
> *Cc:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video
> chat?
>
>
> Hello HO,
>
> NOW WHAT indeed!
>
> No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling forth with
> the feeling of "love",  a word I would not have dared utter loudly in
> public, most especially in professional contexts. Yet those feelings are
> undeniably there and I shall utter them as they happen. :-) So far I've
> survived speaking my mind... Even more it's blasted holes by opening more
> space that led to productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I
> didn't keep my mouth shut. With guys and gals.
>
> Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world. Beyond the
> so called internet. As one who has hosted often in my physical house and
> been similarly hosted in the homes of others, I know there is more to be
> invented there.
> While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly partake in
> the joy of this imagined future experience and I will wholeheartedly nudge,
> prod, and encourage those who passionately see beyond the reaches of what I
> see.
>
> So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty Martini in
> Manila so I can paint a picture of what I see?
>
> After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of Open Space with all
> this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am I that it came my way!
>
> From a happy Florida camper,
> Suzanne
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen" <hho...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are right!! AND. Your
> imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I imagine the
> possibility of  a Virtual House where I could drop in to just hang out with
> family, friends, colleagues and Open Space pals, from around the world, I
> know that this possibility exists. To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt,
> Sharon Joy in Manila, Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
> >
> >
> >
> > Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time. Ever
> since It’s called The Internet.
> >
> >
> >
> > NOW WHAT!
> >
> >
> >
> > ho
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Winter Address
> >
> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
> >
> > Potomac, MD 20854
> >
> > 301-365-2093
> >
> >
> >
> > Summer Address
> >
> > 189 Beaucauire Ave
> >
> > Camden, ME 04843
> >
> > 207 763-3261
> >
> >
> >
> > Websites
> >
> > www.openspaceworld.com
> >
> > www.ho-image.com
> >
> >
> >
> > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf
> Of Suzanne Daigle via OSList
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:07 PM
> >
> > To: Lucas Cioffi; World wide Open Space Technology email list
> > Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video
> chat?
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Lucas and all,
> >
> >
> >
> > As you pose your question and I saw the replies, I realize once again
> how passionate you, Ben Roberts, Brian Burt and others are about creating
> virtual experiences for others and with others.  With the spirit and
> essence of Open Space. Thank you so very much!
> >
> >
> >
> > In seeing your names, I relived the magic of past virtual Open Space
> events (Brené Brown and the Global Conversation - Maestro and Brian

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Christine Whitney Sanchez via OSList]

I wonder if there are many opportunities being dreamed of here? 

If I understand what you are getting at, Harrison, there is something that we 
aren’t aware of yet, although it is possibly "thought forming" - we just don't 
know when it will emerge into 3D form for us to collectively perceive it.  I 
believe that the type of discussion we are having here invites that type of 
emergence and collective perception.

There are those of us, like Suzanne, who are dreaming of the exponential 
expansion of love and joy, which many of us experienced when we first met Open 
Space. 

Then there are those of us who want all of the above while looking for 
something more immediate to improve functionality of the current Online OS 
form. In fact, last week I turned to Ben Roberts for help - "What are your 
favorite platforms for AI, TWC and OST these days? I keep looking for something 
that has the class, functionality and feel of Maestro combined with the ability 
to collaboratively work on docs right in the platform and the wonderful sense 
of community that Zoom offers.  Tell me there’s a magic platform that does all 
of these things :-).  Between the two of us, we agreed that multiple phone 
lines or multiple zoom lines could serve the butterflies and bumblebees with a 
home line functioning like the opening circle and convergence. Not as exciting, 
perhaps as “what’s next” and ripples of love and joy, but definitely increasing 
our capacity to open more space.

Thanks for the invitation, Lucas.  Thanks for the conversation, all.

Warm wishes from a Western Caribbean cruise to celebrate my mom’s 90th birthday,
Christine

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On Aug 31, 2016, at 8:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList 
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it happened, the folks who 
were present for the first OS, and subsequently constituted major parts of the 
early community were all Techies of a sort. Some of them actually designed 
systems and wrote code and others were more “eager participants” – that would 
include me. The new toy was Internet, which at the point we became involved was 
still property of the US Army and known as DARPA NET. The world changed under 
our feet, and the word “exciting” is pretty limp. 
 
Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw possibilities in OS. 
One group came to me with what they thought was a revolutionary idea: Set up a 
room full of laptops and have everybody communicate through them and a “master” 
screen set on the wall. The whole thing was prewired and magnificently 
packaged. They made their presentation, but their faces fell when I said, 
“Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact, I believe they made a 
fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations who were (had been) 
convinced that their executives were too shy, or whatever, to communicate 
directly, face to face. 
 
The iterations have continued over the years. You know  the most recent ones, 
but there are more. I have always admired the energy and creativity. But at the 
end of the day, I really didn’t see much value added that couldn’t have been 
supplied (at much less cost) by the simple application of everyday, off the 
shelf kinds of stuff. I do grant that the proposed systems were an awful lot 
prettier – and I really was impressed with my electronic “birthday.” But from 
the very beginning it seemed to me that we were looking at a technology in 
search of an application. I totally understand the techie attraction, and I 
salute their tenacity….
 
Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience online” just 
doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious – but it rather reminds me of 
attempting to replicate making love. 
 
So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide open and 
massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t think.
 
Harrison
 
 
Winter Address
7808 River Falls Dr.
Potomac, MD 20854
301-365-2093
 
Summer Address
189 Beaucauire Ave
Camden, ME 04843
207 763-3261
 
Websites
www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com/>
www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com/>
 
From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of 
Suzanne Daigle via OSList
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
To: Harrison Owen
Cc: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?
 
Hello HO,

NOW WHAT indeed!

No more ap

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

l have face
>> to face meetings with all the tech available for communication:
>> higher bandwidth.
>>
>> Ben — thanks for painting a terrific picture of the potential.
>>
>> Peggy
>>
>>
>>
>> _
>> Peggy Holman
>> Executive Director
>> Journalism that Matters
>> 15347 SE 49th Place
>> Bellevue, WA  98006
>> 425-746-6274 
>> www.journalismthatmatters.net <http://www.journalismthatmatters.net>
>> www.peggyholman.com <http://www.peggyholman.com>
>> Twitter: @peggyholman
>> JTM Twitter: @JTMStream
>>
>> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into
>> Opportunity <http://www.engagingemergence.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList
>>> <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>>> <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it happened, the
>>> folks who were present for the first OS, and subsequently
>>> constituted major parts of the early community were all Techies of
>>> a sort. Some of them actually designed systems and wrote code and
>>> others were more “eager participants” – that would include me. The
>>> new toy was Internet, which at the point we became involved was
>>> still property of the US Army and known as DARPA NET. The world
>>> changed under our feet, and the word “exciting” is pretty limp. 
>>> __ __
>>> Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw
>>> possibilities in OS. One group came to me with what they thought
>>> was a revolutionary idea: Set up a room full of laptops and have
>>> everybody communicate through them and a “master” screen set on
>>> the wall. The whole thing was prewired and magnificently packaged.
>>> They made their presentation, but their faces fell when I said,
>>> “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact, I believe
>>> they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations
>>> who were (had been) convinced that their executives were too shy,
>>> or whatever, to communicate directly, face to face. 
>>> __ __
>>> The iterations have continued over the years. You know  the most
>>> recent ones, but there are more. I have always admired the energy
>>> and creativity. But at the end of the day, I really didn’t see
>>> much value added that couldn’t have been supplied (at much less
>>> cost) by the simple application of everyday, off the shelf kinds
>>> of stuff. I do grant that the proposed systems were an awful lot
>>> prettier – and I really was impressed with my electronic
>>> “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me that we
>>> were looking at a technology in search of an application. I
>>> totally understand the techie attraction, and I salute their
>>> tenacity….
>>> __ __
>>> Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience
>>> online” just doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious –
>>> but it rather reminds me of attempting to replicate making love. ____
>>> __ __
>>> So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide
>>> open and massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t
>>> think.
>>> __ __
>>> Harrison
>>> __ __
>>> __ __
>>> Winter Address
>>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>> Potomac, MD 20854
>>> 301-365-2093 
>>> __ __
>>> Summer Address
>>> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>>> Camden, ME 04843
>>> 207 763-3261 <tel:207%20763-3261>
>>> __ __
>>> Websites
>>> www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com/>
>>> www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com/>
>>> __ __
>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
>>> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Suzanne Daigle via OSList
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
>>> *To:* Harrison Owen
>>> *Cc:* World wide Open Sp

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[doug via OSList]

our feet, and the word “exciting” is pretty limp. 
__ __
Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw
possibilities in OS. One group came to me with what they thought
was a revolutionary idea: Set up a room full of laptops and have
everybody communicate through them and a “master” screen set on
the wall. The whole thing was prewired and magnificently packaged.
They made their presentation, but their faces fell when I said,
“Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact, I believe
they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations
who were (had been) convinced that their executives were too shy,
or whatever, to communicate directly, face to face. 
__ __
The iterations have continued over the years. You know  the most
recent ones, but there are more. I have always admired the energy
and creativity. But at the end of the day, I really didn’t see
much value added that couldn’t have been supplied (at much less
cost) by the simple application of everyday, off the shelf kinds
of stuff. I do grant that the proposed systems were an awful lot
prettier – and I really was impressed with my electronic
“birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me that we
were looking at a technology in search of an application. I
totally understand the techie attraction, and I salute their
tenacity….
__ __
Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience
online” just doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious –
but it rather reminds me of attempting to replicate making love. 
__ __
So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide
open and massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t
think.
__ __
Harrison
__ __
__ __
Winter Address
7808 River Falls Dr.
Potomac, MD 20854
301-365-2093 
__ __
Summer Address
189 Beaucauire Ave
Camden, ME 04843
207 763-3261 <tel:207%20763-3261>
__ __
Websites
www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com/>
www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com/>
__ __
*From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf
Of *Suzanne Daigle via OSList
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
*To:* Harrison Owen
    *Cc:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
    *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using
video chat?
__ __

Hello HO,

NOW WHAT indeed!

No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling
forth with the feeling of "love",  a word I would not have dared
utter loudly in public, most especially in professional contexts.
Yet those feelings are undeniably there and I shall utter them as
they happen. :-) So far I've survived speaking my mind... Even
more it's blasted holes by opening more space that led to
productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I didn't keep
my mouth shut. With guys and gals. 

Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world.
Beyond the so called internet. As one who has hosted often in my
physical house and been similarly hosted in the homes of others, I
know there is more to be invented there.
While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly
partake in the joy of this imagined future experience and I will
wholeheartedly nudge, prod, and encourage those who passionately
see beyond the reaches of what I see. 

So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty
Martini in Manila so I can paint a picture of what I see?

After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of Open Space
with all this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am I that it
came my way!

From a happy Florida camper,
Suzanne

On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen" <hho...@verizon.net
<mailto:hho...@verizon.net>> wrote:
>
> OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are right!! AND.
Your imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I
imagine the possibility of  a Virtual House where I could drop in
to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and Open Space
pals, from around the world, I know that this possibility exists.
To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in Manila,
Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
>
>
>
> Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time. Ever
since It’s called The Internet.
>
>
>
> NOW WHAT!
>
>
>
> ho
>
>
>
>
>
> Winter Address
>
> 7808 River Falls Dr.

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

 a “master” screen set on the wall. The whole thing was prewired and
> magnificently packaged. They made their presentation, but their faces fell
> when I said, “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact, I
> believe they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations
> who were (had been) convinced that their executives were too shy, or
> whatever, to communicate directly, face to face.
>
> The iterations have continued over the years. You know  the most recent
> ones, but there are more. I have always admired the energy and creativity.
> But at the end of the day, I really didn’t see much value added that
> couldn’t have been supplied (at much less cost) by the simple application
> of everyday, off the shelf kinds of stuff. I do grant that the proposed
> systems were an awful lot prettier – and I really was impressed with my
> electronic “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me that we
> were looking at a technology in search of an application. I totally
> understand the techie attraction, and I salute their tenacity….
>
> Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience online” just
> doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious – but it rather reminds
> me of attempting to replicate making love.
>
> So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide open and
> massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t think.
>
> Harrison
>
>
> Winter Address
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
> Potomac, MD 20854
> 301-365-2093
>
> Summer Address
> 189 Beaucauire Ave
> Camden, ME 04843
> 207 763-3261
>
> Websites
> www.openspaceworld.com
> www.ho-image.com
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
> <oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf Of *Suzanne Daigle
> via OSList
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
> *To:* Harrison Owen
> *Cc:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video
> chat?
>
>
> Hello HO,
>
> NOW WHAT indeed!
>
> No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling forth with
> the feeling of "love",  a word I would not have dared utter loudly in
> public, most especially in professional contexts. Yet those feelings are
> undeniably there and I shall utter them as they happen. :-) So far I've
> survived speaking my mind... Even more it's blasted holes by opening more
> space that led to productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I
> didn't keep my mouth shut. With guys and gals.
>
> Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world. Beyond the
> so called internet. As one who has hosted often in my physical house and
> been similarly hosted in the homes of others, I know there is more to be
> invented there.
> While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly partake in
> the joy of this imagined future experience and I will wholeheartedly nudge,
> prod, and encourage those who passionately see beyond the reaches of what I
> see.
>
> So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty Martini in
> Manila so I can paint a picture of what I see?
>
> After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of Open Space with all
> this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am I that it came my way!
>
> From a happy Florida camper,
> Suzanne
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen" <hho...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are right!! AND. Your
> imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I imagine the
> possibility of  a Virtual House where I could drop in to just hang out with
> family, friends, colleagues and Open Space pals, from around the world, I
> know that this possibility exists. To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt,
> Sharon Joy in Manila, Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
> >
> >
> >
> > Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time. Ever
> since It’s called The Internet.
> >
> >
> >
> > NOW WHAT!
> >
> >
> >
> > ho
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Winter Address
> >
> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
> >
> > Potomac, MD 20854
> >
> > 301-365-2093
> >
> >
> >
> > Summer Address
> >
> > 189 Beaucauire Ave
> >
> > Camden, ME 04843
> >
> > 207 763-3261
> >
> >
> >
> > Websites
> >
> > www.openspaceworld.com
> >
> > www.ho-image.com
> >
> >
> >
> > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf
> Of Suzanne Daigle via O

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Peggy Holman via OSList]

Makes me of the response from a techie on why they still have face to face 
meetings with all the tech available for communication: higher bandwidth.

Ben — thanks for painting a terrific picture of the potential.

Peggy



_
Peggy Holman
Executive Director
Journalism that Matters
15347 SE 49th Place
Bellevue, WA  98006
425-746-6274
www.journalismthatmatters.net
www.peggyholman.com
Twitter: @peggyholman
JTM Twitter: @JTMStream

Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity 
<http://www.engagingemergence.com/>









> On Aug 31, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList 
> <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> 
> The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it happened, the folks who 
> were present for the first OS, and subsequently constituted major parts of 
> the early community were all Techies of a sort. Some of them actually 
> designed systems and wrote code and others were more “eager participants” – 
> that would include me. The new toy was Internet, which at the point we became 
> involved was still property of the US Army and known as DARPA NET. The world 
> changed under our feet, and the word “exciting” is pretty limp. 
>  
> Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw possibilities in OS. 
> One group came to me with what they thought was a revolutionary idea: Set up 
> a room full of laptops and have everybody communicate through them and a 
> “master” screen set on the wall. The whole thing was prewired and 
> magnificently packaged. They made their presentation, but their faces fell 
> when I said, “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact, I 
> believe they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations 
> who were (had been) convinced that their executives were too shy, or 
> whatever, to communicate directly, face to face. 
>  
> The iterations have continued over the years. You know  the most recent ones, 
> but there are more. I have always admired the energy and creativity. But at 
> the end of the day, I really didn’t see much value added that couldn’t have 
> been supplied (at much less cost) by the simple application of everyday, off 
> the shelf kinds of stuff. I do grant that the proposed systems were an awful 
> lot prettier – and I really was impressed with my electronic “birthday.” But 
> from the very beginning it seemed to me that we were looking at a technology 
> in search of an application. I totally understand the techie attraction, and 
> I salute their tenacity….
>  
> Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience online” just 
> doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious – but it rather reminds me 
> of attempting to replicate making love. 
>  
> So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide open and 
> massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t think.
>  
> Harrison
>  
>  
> Winter Address
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
> Potomac, MD 20854
> 301-365-2093
>  
> Summer Address
> 189 Beaucauire Ave
> Camden, ME 04843
> 207 763-3261
>  
> Websites
> www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com/>
> www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com/>
>  
> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org 
> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>] On Behalf Of Suzanne Daigle 
> via OSList
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
> To: Harrison Owen
> Cc: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?
>  
> Hello HO,
> 
> NOW WHAT indeed!
> 
> No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling forth with the 
> feeling of "love",  a word I would not have dared utter loudly in public, 
> most especially in professional contexts. Yet those feelings are undeniably 
> there and I shall utter them as they happen. :-) So far I've survived 
> speaking my mind... Even more it's blasted holes by opening more space that 
> led to productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I didn't keep my 
> mouth shut. With guys and gals. 
> 
> Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world. Beyond the so 
> called internet. As one who has hosted often in my physical house and been 
> similarly hosted in the homes of others, I know there is more to be invented 
> there. 
> While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly partake in the 
> joy of this imagined future experience and I will wholeheartedly nudge, prod, 
> and encourage those who passionately see beyond the reaches of what I see. 
> 
> So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty Martini in 
> Manila so I can paint a pict

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it happened, the folks who 
were present for the first OS, and subsequently constituted major parts of the 
early community were all Techies of a sort. Some of them actually designed 
systems and wrote code and others were more “eager participants” – that would 
include me. The new toy was Internet, which at the point we became involved was 
still property of the US Army and known as DARPA NET. The world changed under 
our feet, and the word “exciting” is pretty limp. 

 

Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw possibilities in OS. 
One group came to me with what they thought was a revolutionary idea: Set up a 
room full of laptops and have everybody communicate through them and a “master” 
screen set on the wall. The whole thing was prewired and magnificently 
packaged. They made their presentation, but their faces fell when I said, 
“Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact, I believe they made a 
fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations who were (had been) 
convinced that their executives were too shy, or whatever, to communicate 
directly, face to face. 

 

The iterations have continued over the years. You know  the most recent ones, 
but there are more. I have always admired the energy and creativity. But at the 
end of the day, I really didn’t see much value added that couldn’t have been 
supplied (at much less cost) by the simple application of everyday, off the 
shelf kinds of stuff. I do grant that the proposed systems were an awful lot 
prettier – and I really was impressed with my electronic “birthday.” But from 
the very beginning it seemed to me that we were looking at a technology in 
search of an application. I totally understand the techie attraction, and I 
salute their tenacity….

 

Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience online” just 
doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious – but it rather reminds me of 
attempting to replicate making love. 

 

So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide open and 
massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t think.

 

Harrison

 

 

Winter Address

7808 River Falls Dr.

Potomac, MD 20854

301-365-2093

 

Summer Address

189 Beaucauire Ave

Camden, ME 04843

207 763-3261

 

Websites

www.openspaceworld.com

www.ho-image.com

 

From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of 
Suzanne Daigle via OSList
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
To: Harrison Owen
Cc: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

 

Hello HO,

NOW WHAT indeed!

No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling forth with the 
feeling of "love",  a word I would not have dared utter loudly in public, most 
especially in professional contexts. Yet those feelings are undeniably there 
and I shall utter them as they happen. :-) So far I've survived speaking my 
mind... Even more it's blasted holes by opening more space that led to 
productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I didn't keep my mouth 
shut. With guys and gals. 

Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world. Beyond the so 
called internet. As one who has hosted often in my physical house and been 
similarly hosted in the homes of others, I know there is more to be invented 
there. 
While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly partake in the 
joy of this imagined future experience and I will wholeheartedly nudge, prod, 
and encourage those who passionately see beyond the reaches of what I see. 

So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty Martini in Manila 
so I can paint a picture of what I see?

After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of Open Space with all this 
spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am I that it came my way!

>From a happy Florida camper, 
Suzanne

On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen" <hho...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are right!! AND. Your 
> imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I imagine the 
> possibility of  a Virtual House where I could drop in to just hang out with 
> family, friends, colleagues and Open Space pals, from around the world, I 
> know that this possibility exists. To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, 
> Sharon Joy in Manila, Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
>
>  
>
> Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time. Ever since It’s 
> called The Internet.
>
>  
>
> NOW WHAT!
>
>  
>
> ho
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Winter Address
>
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>
> Potomac, MD 20854
>
> 301-365-2093
>
>  
>
> Summer Address
>
> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>
> Camden, ME 04843
>
> 207 763-3261
>
>  
>
> Websites
>
>

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Suzanne Daigle via OSList]

Hello HO,

NOW WHAT indeed!

No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling forth with
the feeling of "love",  a word I would not have dared utter loudly in
public, most especially in professional contexts. Yet those feelings are
undeniably there and I shall utter them as they happen. :-) So far I've
survived speaking my mind... Even more it's blasted holes by opening more
space that led to productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I
didn't keep my mouth shut. With guys and gals.

Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world. Beyond the
so called internet. As one who has hosted often in my physical house and
been similarly hosted in the homes of others, I know there is more to be
invented there.
While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly partake in
the joy of this imagined future experience and I will wholeheartedly nudge,
prod, and encourage those who passionately see beyond the reaches of what I
see.

So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty Martini in
Manila so I can paint a picture of what I see?

After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of Open Space with all
this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am I that it came my way!

>From a happy Florida camper,
Suzanne

On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen" <hho...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are right!! AND. Your
imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I imagine the
possibility of  a Virtual House where I could drop in to just hang out with
family, friends, colleagues and Open Space pals, from around the world, I
know that this possibility exists. To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt,
Sharon Joy in Manila, Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
>
>
>
> Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time. Ever
since It’s called The Internet.
>
>
>
> NOW WHAT!
>
>
>
> ho
>
>
>
>
>
> Winter Address
>
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>
> Potomac, MD 20854
>
> 301-365-2093
>
>
>
> Summer Address
>
> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>
> Camden, ME 04843
>
> 207 763-3261
>
>
>
> Websites
>
> www.openspaceworld.com
>
> www.ho-image.com
>
>
>
> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of
Suzanne Daigle via OSList
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:07 PM
>
> To: Lucas Cioffi; World wide Open Space Technology email list
> Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video
chat?
>
>
>
> Dear Lucas and all,
>
>
>
> As you pose your question and I saw the replies, I realize once again how
passionate you, Ben Roberts, Brian Burt and others are about creating
virtual experiences for others and with others.  With the spirit and
essence of Open Space. Thank you so very much!
>
>
>
> In seeing your names, I relived the magic of past virtual Open Space
events (Brené Brown and the Global Conversation - Maestro and Brian Burt)
and Harrison's 80th Birthday Party (Lucas and Michael Herman)  last year
and yes WOSonOS Florida too (Ben Roberts and others) with opportunities
here and there to welcome colleagues.
>
>
>
> None perfect but all exhilarating in the trailblazing and experiencing of
it.
>
>
>
> Lucas I share your "Field of Dream Passion - Build it and They Will Come"
though not in developing, refining, improving or simplifying the mechanics
of it in the backroom so all can go smooth in the virtual space. That is
not my expertise or passion. It is the work of unsung heroes.
>
>
>
> If I was to focus on your word "simplest" aka "simplify", I wonder if we
could not create the feel of sitting in a circle without talking about a
circle (like sitting around a campfire, in the comfort of your living room
or around your kitchen table)? Rather than breakouts, could we have rooms
and corners where people can go hang out?  Rather than a marketplace wall,
it could be like going to a movie with a bill board that announces the
movies that are playing. Then of course you could see who's there, in which
room. People would instantly think this is really cool and not a process
thing.
>
>
>
> We know that Open Space works best when we don't talk about Open Space;
we don't talk about a circle, breakouts and stuff.  We simply invite from
the purpose, theme or reason for meeting. In those first moments of sitting
in a circle, looking at the floor and the marketplace wall, it all seems so
foreign to people who have never experienced OS before. Why then should we
bring these concepts into the virtual space?  We don't have to counteract
the familiarity of a theatre style setting, reject the podium or a panel of
speakers.
>
> We can create brand new space - a space of welcome, connecting and
getting things done f

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are right!! AND. Your 
imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I imagine the possibility 
of  a Virtual House where I could drop in to just hang out with family, 
friends, colleagues and Open Space pals, from around the world, I know that 
this possibility exists. To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in 
Manila, Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”) 

 

Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time. Ever since It’s 
called The Internet.

 

NOW WHAT!

 

ho

 

 

Winter Address

7808 River Falls Dr.

Potomac, MD 20854

301-365-2093

 

Summer Address

189 Beaucauire Ave

Camden, ME 04843

207 763-3261

 

Websites

www.openspaceworld.com

www.ho-image.com

 

From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of 
Suzanne Daigle via OSList
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:07 PM
To: Lucas Cioffi; World wide Open Space Technology email list
Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

 

Dear Lucas and all,

 

As you pose your question and I saw the replies, I realize once again how 
passionate you, Ben Roberts, Brian Burt and others are about creating virtual 
experiences for others and with others.  With the spirit and essence of Open 
Space. Thank you so very much!

 

In seeing your names, I relived the magic of past virtual Open Space events 
(Brené Brown and the Global Conversation - Maestro and Brian Burt) and 
Harrison's 80th Birthday Party (Lucas and Michael Herman)  last year and yes 
WOSonOS Florida too (Ben Roberts and others) with opportunities here and there 
to welcome colleagues. 

 

None perfect but all exhilarating in the trailblazing and experiencing of it. 

 

Lucas I share your "Field of Dream Passion - Build it and They Will Come" 
though not in developing, refining, improving or simplifying the mechanics of 
it in the backroom so all can go smooth in the virtual space. That is not my 
expertise or passion. It is the work of unsung heroes. 

 

If I was to focus on your word "simplest" aka "simplify", I wonder if we could 
not create the feel of sitting in a circle without talking about a circle (like 
sitting around a campfire, in the comfort of your living room or around your 
kitchen table)? Rather than breakouts, could we have rooms and corners where 
people can go hang out?  Rather than a marketplace wall, it could be like going 
to a movie with a bill board that announces the movies that are playing. Then 
of course you could see who's there, in which room. People would instantly 
think this is really cool and not a process thing. 

 

We know that Open Space works best when we don't talk about Open Space; we 
don't talk about a circle, breakouts and stuff.  We simply invite from the 
purpose, theme or reason for meeting. In those first moments of sitting in a 
circle, looking at the floor and the marketplace wall, it all seems so foreign 
to people who have never experienced OS before. Why then should we bring these 
concepts into the virtual space?  We don't have to counteract the familiarity 
of a theatre style setting, reject the podium or a panel of speakers. 

We can create brand new space - a space of welcome, connecting and getting 
things done from the comfort of our own home or office or wherever. 

 

For each element of Open Space, there could be a way of explaining it that 
invites a degree of freedom that feels different, open and fun. People might 
attribute it to "this is how it happens virtually" and in the process they 
would be living the law of two feet. We'd be communicating intent as we give 
the mechanics of how to move around. 

 

I'm sorry if I got a bit carried away. Ben Roberts once told me years ago that 
he pictured that some virtual meetings could be better than in person. I didn't 
quite believe him. Today as I imagine the possibility of  a Virtual House where 
I could drop in to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and Open 
Space pals, from around the world, I know that this possibility exists. To see 
Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in Manila, Alan in Australia, etc. 
etc. etc. 

 

Suzanne

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 




Suzanne Daigle
Open Space Facilitator
NuFocus Strategic Group

FL 941-359-8877
Cell: 203-722-2009
www.nufocusgroup.com
s.dai...@nufocusgroup.com
Twitter @Daiglesuz

 

 

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList 
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

Hi All,

 

I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest online 
Open Space experience using video chat.  

 

I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that you might have 
a moment to think about what online OS experience would work best for you, 
rather than letting my thoughts influence yours.

 

 

 

My...

 

 

thought

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Suzanne Daigle via OSList]

Dear Lucas and all,

As you pose your question and I saw the replies, I realize once again how
passionate you, Ben Roberts, Brian Burt and others are about creating
virtual experiences for others and with others.  With the spirit and
essence of Open Space. Thank you so very much!

In seeing your names, I relived the magic of past virtual Open Space events
(Brené Brown and the Global Conversation - Maestro and Brian Burt) and
Harrison's 80th Birthday Party (Lucas and Michael Herman)  last year and
yes WOSonOS Florida too (Ben Roberts and others) with opportunities here
and there to welcome colleagues.

None perfect but all exhilarating in the trailblazing and experiencing of
it.

Lucas I share your "Field of Dream Passion - Build it and They Will Come"
though not in developing, refining, improving or simplifying the mechanics
of it in the backroom so all can go smooth in the virtual space. That is
not my expertise or passion. It is the work of unsung heroes.

If I was to focus on your word "simplest" aka "simplify", I wonder if we
could not create the feel of sitting in a circle without talking about a
circle (like sitting around a campfire, in the comfort of your living room
or around your kitchen table)? Rather than breakouts, could we have rooms
and corners where people can go hang out?  Rather than a marketplace wall,
it could be like going to a movie with a bill board that announces the
movies that are playing. Then of course you could see who's there, in which
room. People would instantly think this is really cool and not a process
thing.

We know that Open Space works best when we don't talk about Open Space; we
don't talk about a circle, breakouts and stuff.  We simply invite from the
purpose, theme or reason for meeting. In those first moments of sitting in
a circle, looking at the floor and the marketplace wall, it all seems so
foreign to people who have never experienced OS before. Why then should we
bring these concepts into the virtual space?  We don't have to counteract
the familiarity of a theatre style setting, reject the podium or a panel of
speakers.
We can create brand new space - a space of welcome, connecting and getting
things done from the comfort of our own home or office or wherever.

For each element of Open Space, there could be a way of explaining it that
invites a degree of freedom that feels different, open and fun. People
might attribute it to "this is how it happens virtually" and in the process
they would be living the law of two feet. We'd be communicating intent as
we give the mechanics of how to move around.

I'm sorry if I got a bit carried away. Ben Roberts once told me years ago
that he pictured that some virtual meetings could be better than in person.
I didn't quite believe him. Today as I imagine the possibility of  a
Virtual House where I could drop in to just hang out with family, friends,
colleagues and Open Space pals, from around the world, I know that this
possibility exists. To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in
Manila, Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.

Suzanne



































Suzanne Daigle
Open Space Facilitator
NuFocus Strategic Group

FL 941-359-8877
Cell: 203-722-2009
www.nufocusgroup.com
s.dai...@nufocusgroup.com
Twitter @Daiglesuz


On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest
> online Open Space experience using video chat.
>
> I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that you might
> have a moment to think about what online OS experience would work best for
> you, rather than letting my thoughts influence yours.
>
>
>
> My...
>
>
> thoughts...
>
>
> are...
>
>
> down...
>
>
> below...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here are my rough thoughts:
>
> 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You can see the following:
>
>- where the opening circle is
>- how many virtual breakout spaces there are
>- who is in each virtual space right now
>- what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board /
>marketplace / idea wall)
>
> 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.
>
> *Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:*
> 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area available to
> all participants.
>
> 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like to speak.
>
> 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to step away
> for a moment").
>
> *Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to hearing what you have
> in mind!*
>
> Lucas Cioffi
> Founder, QiqoChat
> Charlottesville, VA
> Mobile: 917-528-1831
>
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Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

Ben – I love what you are saying, and I do have to smile. For me – that is what 
The Internet (in toto) is all about. From the very beginning The Internet IS 
Open Space. At whatever risk, I quote myself from a previous posting… “My 
thought is – replicating OS (as experienced by human beings in a physical room) 
is a worthwhile undertaking. The deeper task, I would think, is to open some 
new space that is available only online. Just as the “normal” (space/time) OST 
tends to blow people away – what is the cyber-equivalent? 

 

I don’t have a clue of an answer. But I do remember “way back when” – sitting 
at my kitchen table with a TI Silent 700 plugged into a phone through 
acoustical couplings.  Suddenly “it” came alive and electronic beings from all 
over the planet for the most part (actually I am not really sure where they 
came from) populated my table, life, reality…. Space hadn’t opened. Space/time 
was transformed. 

 

What can you do for me baby? I guess that is the question.”

 

 

Harrison

 

Winter Address

7808 River Falls Dr.

Potomac, MD 20854

301-365-2093

 

Summer Address

189 Beaucauire Ave

Camden, ME 04843

207 763-3261

 

Websites

www.openspaceworld.com

www.ho-image.com

 

From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Ben 
Roberts via OSList
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:33 AM
To: 'Lucas Cioffi'; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list'
Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

 

As someone who’s been part of the community exploring virtual OS going back to 
2012, I resonate with Birgitt’s rhetorical question: “might not the most useful 
offering to provide to be something that takes time, that is not quick, that 
provides space for people who are reflective, thoughtful to be in genuine 
conversations?” I believe we’ve had the tools for creating  “minimalist” OS 
experiences since Maestro was developed in 2009. If we don’t see virtual OS 
taking place extensively, perhaps that’s because we haven’t figured out what 
the uniquely enlivening essence of that virtual experience might be. So 
devotees of the in-person process find virtual engagements to be intriguing, 
but lacking some vital juiciness that would cause them to want to convene such 
engagements regularly. 

Maybe we’re still just in an early learning phase, not only in terms of the 
technical tools, but also (more importantly) the approaches to hosting that can 
really create hospitable virtual space. In person, I think “the OST experiment” 
has shown that we can trust a whole set of instincts that come naturally to us 
as social beings to do much of that space-holding work for us. But our virtual 
norms of behavior are still evolving, and the tools are evolving even faster. 
And so we don’t fully trust them, and we also focus more on the tech/tools and 
less on the processes and social agreements we might bring to bear. Indeed, we 
often expect the tools/platforms to do everything for us (or at least to make 
things really easy and simple), and if that isn’t the case, we decide the tool 
is the problem, rather than our lack of process innovation.


Here’s an example of a key challenge: the magic of in-person OST takes time to 
unfold. As anyone who’s tried to do a one or two round version has learned, 
such mini-OS engagements rarely provide anything like the depth of insight and 
sense of a collective journey that a full day can offer, never mind a 
traditional two-and-a-half day schedule. But we are, it seems to me, afraid to 
ask people to show up virtually for that long and intensive a process. Indeed, 
I find that proposing even a two-hour engagement often generates resistance 
with potential sponsors. That’s partly because, for many of us (even those who 
do so regularly!), it is legitimately unappealing to spend all day in front of 
a screen or on the phone. But it’s also due to a set of assumptions we make 
about participants’ attention spans and availability. How accurate are those 
assumptions?

 

Going back to Birgitt’s question, what inspires me these days is a vision of 
hybrid in-person/virtual engagements lasting anywhere from one week to three 
months, that include collective inquiry, community building, and 
crowd-resourcing. It’s anything but minimalist. OST-like processes are a core 
tool, but more important are the OST principles that embody personal freedom 
and personal responsibility. What excites me about this concept is the 
expansion of time, the appeal to our collective hunger for participation in 
“communities of purpose,” and the possibility of glocal (global + local) 
impact. These are all things that can play to the strengths of our new virtual 
tools and spaces.

 

When I first read Margaret Mead’s statement that small groups of thoughtful, 
committed citizens are the only thing that has ever changed the world, I 
assumed that such groups were rare, very hard to form, and required huge 
commitments from

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Ben Roberts via OSList]

As someone who’s been part of the community exploring virtual OS going back to 
2012, I resonate with Birgitt’s rhetorical question: “might not the most useful 
offering to provide to be something that takes time, that is not quick, that 
provides space for people who are reflective, thoughtful to be in genuine 
conversations?” I believe we’ve had the tools for creating  “minimalist” OS 
experiences since Maestro was developed in 2009. If we don’t see virtual OS 
taking place extensively, perhaps that’s because we haven’t figured out what 
the uniquely enlivening essence of that virtual experience might be. So 
devotees of the in-person process find virtual engagements to be intriguing, 
but lacking some vital juiciness that would cause them to want to convene such 
engagements regularly. 

Maybe we’re still just in an early learning phase, not only in terms of the 
technical tools, but also (more importantly) the approaches to hosting that can 
really create hospitable virtual space. In person, I think “the OST experiment” 
has shown that we can trust a whole set of instincts that come naturally to us 
as social beings to do much of that space-holding work for us. But our virtual 
norms of behavior are still evolving, and the tools are evolving even faster. 
And so we don’t fully trust them, and we also focus more on the tech/tools and 
less on the processes and social agreements we might bring to bear. Indeed, we 
often expect the tools/platforms to do everything for us (or at least to make 
things really easy and simple), and if that isn’t the case, we decide the tool 
is the problem, rather than our lack of process innovation.


Here’s an example of a key challenge: the magic of in-person OST takes time to 
unfold. As anyone who’s tried to do a one or two round version has learned, 
such mini-OS engagements rarely provide anything like the depth of insight and 
sense of a collective journey that a full day can offer, never mind a 
traditional two-and-a-half day schedule. But we are, it seems to me, afraid to 
ask people to show up virtually for that long and intensive a process. Indeed, 
I find that proposing even a two-hour engagement often generates resistance 
with potential sponsors. That’s partly because, for many of us (even those who 
do so regularly!), it is legitimately unappealing to spend all day in front of 
a screen or on the phone. But it’s also due to a set of assumptions we make 
about participants’ attention spans and availability. How accurate are those 
assumptions?

 

Going back to Birgitt’s question, what inspires me these days is a vision of 
hybrid in-person/virtual engagements lasting anywhere from one week to three 
months, that include collective inquiry, community building, and 
crowd-resourcing. It’s anything but minimalist. OST-like processes are a core 
tool, but more important are the OST principles that embody personal freedom 
and personal responsibility. What excites me about this concept is the 
expansion of time, the appeal to our collective hunger for participation in 
“communities of purpose,” and the possibility of glocal (global + local) 
impact. These are all things that can play to the strengths of our new virtual 
tools and spaces.

 

When I first read Margaret Mead’s statement that small groups of thoughtful, 
committed citizens are the only thing that has ever changed the world, I 
assumed that such groups were rare, very hard to form, and required huge 
commitments from their members. Thus the concept, while intuitively appealing 
and no doubt meant to inspire citizen activism, also seemed to imply 
significant barriers to entry. What if, thanks to our new virtual capacities, 
it is now easy to bring together not just small, but medium and large-sized 
groups of such citizens to generate collective impact? What if we could even 
participate effectively in our spare time, say by watching a bit less TV for a 
month?! 

 

What if the main thing holding us back from exercising this new power is the 
lack of a new story of collective possibility that truly inspires us? Part of 
that story needs to be about the tools, but it’s much more about what we might 
do with them that could make a difference. With the constant drumbeat of data 
about systemic breakdowns, it is all too easy to succumb to cynicism and 
despair. Yet we also are aware of pieces of the new story that have been 
emerging for decades—OST itself is certainly a part of that emergence. It’s 
time to put the pieces together!

 

Peace,

Ben

 

From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Lucas 
Cioffi via OSList
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 10:58 PM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

 

Hello Birgitt,

 

I appreciate your thoughtful questions.  I want to do more listening than 
talking in this conversation, because I'm hoping to learn what minimalist tool 
people on this list

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Lucas Cioffi via OSList]

Hello Birgitt,

I appreciate your thoughtful questions.  I want to do more listening than
talking in this conversation, because I'm hoping to learn what minimalist
tool people on this list would like to use.  The 2012 discussion/brainstorm
about online OS (mentioned yesterday) described a complex and powerful
vision for an online OS tool.

There's definitely a time and place for a complex/powerful tool like that,
but I'd like to discover what minimalist approach could actually work well
and still be called OS.  A minimalist version of online OS could do some
good in the world.

Here are my replies to your questions:
1. "What is your definition of useful and to whom? I appreciate that this
is at the root of your creative surge."
I'd like to build something that people wake up in the morning and are
excited to use.  I see a hint of that with QiqoChat as it reaches 2000
users, but I think much more is possible, so that's why I'm going back to
the expertise on OSList to hear what itches aren't scratched yet :)

2. "In a world in which artificial intelligence and its use of big data is
already mastering predictability, and since it is possible for artificial
intelligence to predict what you might answer and how you might answer,
where is the space for human exchange that you want to touch and bring
usefulness to?"
I'm looking to build tools that people want to use.  For me, it comes down
to listening to what people (like the folks on this list) want.

3. "Albeit a current trend (and apparent addiction) is for something that
is quick and will capture attention or stands the risk of losing attention,
might not the most useful offering to provide to be something that takes
time, that is not quick, that provides space for people who are reflective,
thoughtful to be in genuine conversations?"
I've learned from the Tuesday OS Hotline that video chat makes genuine
conversations and relationships possible.

4. "And a question we ask in our Working With OST learning modules: after
examining all of the elements of an OST meeting, what, if stripped away
from the list of elements, for you, would no longer qualify as an OST
meeting?"
It's a great question for someone else with a deeper perspective on OS.
I'm not the keeper of the flame; I just build a match or two :)

Lucas Cioffi
Founder, QiqoChat
Charlottesville, VA
Mobile: 917-528-1831
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Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Brian Burt via OSList]

Great question Lucas.

I know some of you have used MaestroConference for OS events and we're very
committed to continuing to optimize the platform for this usage.  We don't
do video within breakouts yet- but that's coming soon!

We already allow the "law of two feet", notes within each breakout,
breakout chat for sharing other resources, and flexibility to announce new
sessions to all rooms.

We are adding video within breakouts for example, and enhancing the ability
to do a screenshare or shared website within a breakout.

Feedback for us has been that building the "marketplace" of topics could be
improved- if there's a tool that out there that we can integrate for that
please let us know.

We definitely welcome any feedback or requests from the OS community ...

-Brian





On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest
> online Open Space experience using video chat.
>
> I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that you might
> have a moment to think about what online OS experience would work best for
> you, rather than letting my thoughts influence yours.
>
>
>
> My...
>
>
> thoughts...
>
>
> are...
>
>
> down...
>
>
> below...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here are my rough thoughts:
>
> 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You can see the following:
>
>- where the opening circle is
>- how many virtual breakout spaces there are
>- who is in each virtual space right now
>- what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board /
>marketplace / idea wall)
>
> 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.
>
> *Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:*
> 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area available to
> all participants.
>
> 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like to speak.
>
> 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to step away
> for a moment").
>
> *Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to hearing what you have
> in mind!*
>
> Lucas Cioffi
> Founder, QiqoChat
> Charlottesville, VA
> Mobile: 917-528-1831
>
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Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

Sounds like you are cooking! 

 

Harrison

 

Winter Address

7808 River Falls Dr.

Potomac, MD 20854

301-365-2093

 

Summer Address

189 Beaucauire Ave

Camden, ME 04843

207 763-3261

 

Websites

www.openspaceworld.com

www.ho-image.com

 

From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Lucas 
Cioffi via OSList
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:08 PM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

 

Hi All, thanks for the comments.  Here are some replies for Harrison and 
Birgitt:

 

Hello, Harrison, you asked what unique capabilities online tools have.  

 

Here are some ideas about what current technology can do to help OS...

*   It's possible for an online OS participant to see all participants in 
each breakout space (and the notes being taken in each space) so that they can 
make a more informed decision about whether to exercise the Law of Two Feet 
(a.k.a. Law of One Click).
*   It's possible for someone to bring in additional resources, facts, etc 
into a session while it is happening (the downside is that they are also more 
distracted than they would be in-person).
*   Connecting by video chat has some advantages (cost, environmental 
impact, accessibility, etc).  There are also disadvantages like 
distraction–wait a minute I need to send out a tweet on Twitter; ok I'm 
back–and the possibility of less personal connection to other participants.

Here are some ideas about what future technology can do to help OS...

*   Multilingual conversations will become possible.  For example, one 
participant is speaking in Chinese and it's instantly translated so that other 
participants can listen in their native language.
*   You'll be able to hold an online OS with "robots".  I know this sounds 
crazy, but it's coming.  For example, in addition to creating an invitation, 
you can also "create" one or more virtual participants, selecting their 
personality type, expertise, etc.  They'd be listening and processing all that 
is said and they would "speak" when it's their turn as if you had a person with 
that personality and expertise level.  Think of a robot playing the Devil's 
Advocate for a corporation; it could very well save the organization in some 
circumstances.  As long as all human participants know that there's a robot 
participating, I see no harm in this.  It's like having a pet that speaks, and 
that has it's pros and cons :)  Then again, some day, we might be the robots' 
pets!
*   Virtual reality will enable us to participate in a much more liberated 
way.  "Virtual reality" can already create an immersive experience; you can 
strap on a pair of goggles and it looks like you're in a room with someone else 
or a group of people or riding a roller coaster (or a wave!).  When you turn 
your head to the left, the video feed on your screen adjusts so that you get 
the sensation that you are actually looking to the left.  The scenery is 
interactive in 360 degrees.  How is this useful?  Well, there's a discussion on 
OSList right now about people who lack the ability to pick up the pens and 
paper in the center of the circle.  When people can assume a new virtual "body" 
there will be no limit to what they can do in the space.  Someone who has one 
skin color can wear a different skin color if they like.  Someone can speak as 
an endangered species.  Sounds crazy, I know!  There are many possibilities, 
and many potential problems as you can imagine.
*   I'm sure others can add to this list...

Hello, Birgitt, you asked what I'd like to create.  I'd like to create 
something that people will find useful.  I searched the OSList archives and 
found a fascinating thread from 2012 started by Suzanne Daigle.  To get there, 
visit the August 2012 Archive 
<http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/2012-August/thread.html>
  and scroll down to "Conversation today with Brian Burt of MaestroConference". 
 There are so many great ideas from so many talented facilitators on that 
thread.  I found one of Lisa Heft's responses 
<http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/2012-August/527642.html>
  and one of Michael Herman's responses 
<http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/2012-August/527641.html>
  to be especially helpful.

 

That conversation lists all the elements that are necessary to be present to 
classify an online event as OS.  The part that's missing from that conversation 
is what the user experience would feel like.  Four years have passed since that 
2012 thread and many on this list have had plenty of experiences with online 
tools that lend themselves to being used for Online OS (Tuesday OS hotline, 
Open Space Online, Zoom, Sococo, MaestroConference, QiqoChat, etc).  Each of 
these tools has streng

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Birgitt Williams via OSList]

 get
> there, visit the August 2012 Archive
> <http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/2012-August/thread.html>
>  and
> scroll down to "Conversation today with Brian Burt of MaestroConference".
> There are so many great ideas from so many talented facilitators on that
> thread.  I found one of Lisa Heft's responses
> <http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/2012-August/527642.html>
> and one of Michael Herman's responses
> <http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/2012-August/527641.html>
>  to
> be especially helpful.
>
> That conversation lists all the elements that are necessary to be present
> to classify an online event as OS.  The part that's missing from that
> conversation is what the user experience would feel like.  Four years have
> passed since that 2012 thread and many on this list have had plenty of
> experiences with online tools that lend themselves to being used for Online
> OS (Tuesday OS hotline, Open Space Online, Zoom, Sococo, MaestroConference,
> QiqoChat, etc).  Each of these tools has strengths and weaknesses.
>
> *Rather than taking a tool-centered approach (how close could we get to OS
> using what's already available), I'd like to take a moment to invite anyone
> to share what a great user experience would feel like, gather these ideas
> on OSList, and then any of these tool makers could build that into their
> platforms.*
>
> Knowing what we now know of online user attention spans, it's got to be
> simple.
>
> Example:
> 1. Participant arrives on a page and sees _.
> 2. Next the participant ___.
>
> Lucas Cioffi
> Founder, QiqoChat.com
> Charlottesville, VA
> Mobile: 917-528-1831
>
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Lucas – your comments as always are provocative. But maybe a bit too
>> literal?
>>
>>
>>
>> My thought is – replicating OS (as experienced by human beings in a
>> physical room) is a worthwhile undertaking. The deeper task, I would think,
>> is to open some new space that is available only online. Just as the
>> “normal” (space/time) OST tends to blow people away – what is the
>> cyber-equivalent?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t have a clue of an answer. But I do remember “way back when” –
>> sitting at my kitchen table with a TI Silent 700 plugged into a phone
>> through acoustical couplings.  Suddenly “it” came alive and electronic
>> beings from all over the planet for the most part (actually I am not really
>> sure where they came from) populated my table, life, reality…. Space hadn’t
>> opened. Space/time was transformed.
>>
>>
>>
>> What can you do for me baby? I guess that is the question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Harrison
>>
>>
>>
>> Winter Address
>>
>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>
>> Potomac, MD 20854
>>
>> 301-365-2093
>>
>>
>>
>> Summer Address
>>
>> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>>
>> Camden, ME 04843
>>
>> 207 763-3261
>>
>>
>>
>> Websites
>>
>> www.openspaceworld.com
>>
>> www.ho-image.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Lucas Cioffi via OSList
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:36 AM
>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> *Subject:* [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video
>> chat?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest
>> online Open Space experience using video chat.
>>
>>
>>
>> I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that you might
>> have a moment to think about what online OS experience would work best for
>> you, rather than letting my thoughts influence yours.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> My...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> thoughts...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> are...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> down...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> below...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are my rough thoughts:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. When the event begins you ope

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Lucas Cioffi via OSList]

__.

Lucas Cioffi
Founder, QiqoChat.com
Charlottesville, VA
Mobile: 917-528-1831

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Lucas – your comments as always are provocative. But maybe a bit too
> literal?
>
>
>
> My thought is – replicating OS (as experienced by human beings in a
> physical room) is a worthwhile undertaking. The deeper task, I would think,
> is to open some new space that is available only online. Just as the
> “normal” (space/time) OST tends to blow people away – what is the
> cyber-equivalent?
>
>
>
> I don’t have a clue of an answer. But I do remember “way back when” –
> sitting at my kitchen table with a TI Silent 700 plugged into a phone
> through acoustical couplings.  Suddenly “it” came alive and electronic
> beings from all over the planet for the most part (actually I am not really
> sure where they came from) populated my table, life, reality…. Space hadn’t
> opened. Space/time was transformed.
>
>
>
> What can you do for me baby? I guess that is the question.
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
> Winter Address
>
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>
> Potomac, MD 20854
>
> 301-365-2093
>
>
>
> Summer Address
>
> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>
> Camden, ME 04843
>
> 207 763-3261
>
>
>
> Websites
>
> www.openspaceworld.com
>
> www.ho-image.com
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Lucas Cioffi via OSList
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:36 AM
> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Subject:* [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest
> online Open Space experience using video chat.
>
>
>
> I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that you might
> have a moment to think about what online OS experience would work best for
> you, rather than letting my thoughts influence yours.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> My...
>
>
>
>
>
> thoughts...
>
>
>
>
>
> are...
>
>
>
>
>
> down...
>
>
>
>
>
> below...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here are my rough thoughts:
>
>
>
> 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You can see the following:
>
>- where the opening circle is
>- how many virtual breakout spaces there are
>- who is in each virtual space right now
>- what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board /
>marketplace / idea wall)
>
> 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.
>
>
>
> *Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:*
>
> 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area available to
> all participants.
>
>
>
> 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like to speak.
>
>
>
> 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to step away
> for a moment").
>
>
>
> *Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to hearing what you have
> in mind!*
>
>
> Lucas Cioffi
>
> Founder, QiqoChat
>
> Charlottesville, VA
>
> Mobile: 917-528-1831
>
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Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

sococo.com is interesting because it offers a map of a physical space.
 it's possible to name spaces with things like "back in 10 mins" and allow
people to signal their movement to all without saying anything on audio or
video.  it's common to have work carrels, kitchen, lounge, lobby,
conference rooms, offices and other sorts of spaces on sococo maps.  it's
kind of amazing how the label of the room can signal to anyone showing up
there the purpose and style of interacting.  they are coming out with a way
to embed any url (video, whiteboard, or anything else you can load in a
browser window) on the walls of any of the 'rooms' on the map.   they're
making maps scale to other floors (buildings) and other buildings
(campuses), to mirror the physical layout of many corporate spaces.  i've
suggested they could go the other way and allow folks the same embedded
'wall' space inside of their avatars, so that people could suspend their
mental models for exploration -- and also to make a connection between
physical and mind space.  some of us have been talking about using
sococo.com to extend the osonos meeting space in manila this november.  i
find that very simple sketches, like these sococo maps, leverage some inner
software we have to communicate and enable much more than their simple
appearances would suggest.







--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org



On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi Lucas,
> not sure to what degree you are trying to reinvent the wheel and to what
> degree you are building on incredible work done by others who invested lots
> of money, time, and emotions to figure out how to work with OST in an on
> line environment.
>
> And so I want to draw your attention to these great people...some of my
> favorite people in the world...it is possible, if you contact them that a
> worthy collaboration might resultor maybe notdepending.
>
> OpenSpace-Online®
> 
>  developed
> by our dear friend Gabriela Ender and her team took years of development.
> It is an award winning software.
> It is fact that in those days, such a development took a lot more  time
> and money than it might today with the advancements in technology. I
> continue to admire the work of this team and what they brought out into
> the world.
>
> Collaborativeways.com also have a great offering. Created based on Open
> Space Technology, our dear friends Richard Schultz and Eiwor Backelund have
> figured a few things out.
>
> The added element you want of the scope of video chat capability is
> possible with today's technology. If you want the simplest online Open
> Space experience that is not OST...I think the www already offers that as
> any of us can jump around from topic to topic to our heart's delight. And
> so I ask you a question Lucas...what is it you are really wanting to
> create?
>
> Birgitt
>
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:37 AM Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest
>> online Open Space experience using video chat.
>>
>> I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that you might
>> have a moment to think about what online OS experience would work best for
>> you, rather than letting my thoughts influence yours.
>>
>>
>>
>> My...
>>
>>
>> thoughts...
>>
>>
>> are...
>>
>>
>> down...
>>
>>
>> below...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are my rough thoughts:
>>
>> 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You can see the
>> following:
>>
>>- where the opening circle is
>>- how many virtual breakout spaces there are
>>- who is in each virtual space right now
>>- what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board /
>>marketplace / idea wall)
>>
>> 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.
>>
>> *Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:*
>> 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area available to
>> all participants.
>>
>> 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like to speak.
>>
>> 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to step away
>> for a moment").
>>
>> *Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to hearing what you have
>> in mind!*
>>
>> Lucas Cioffi
>> Founder, QiqoChat
>> Charlottesville, VA
>> Mobile: 917-528-1831
>> ___
>> OSList mailing list
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>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
>> 

Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Birgitt Williams via OSList]

Hi Lucas,
not sure to what degree you are trying to reinvent the wheel and to what
degree you are building on incredible work done by others who invested lots
of money, time, and emotions to figure out how to work with OST in an on
line environment.

And so I want to draw your attention to these great people...some of my
favorite people in the world...it is possible, if you contact them that a
worthy collaboration might resultor maybe notdepending.

OpenSpace-Online®

developed
by our dear friend Gabriela Ender and her team took years of development.
It is an award winning software.
It is fact that in those days, such a development took a lot more  time and
money than it might today with the advancements in technology. I
continue to admire the work of this team and what they brought out into the
world.

Collaborativeways.com also have a great offering. Created based on Open
Space Technology, our dear friends Richard Schultz and Eiwor Backelund have
figured a few things out.

The added element you want of the scope of video chat capability is
possible with today's technology. If you want the simplest online Open
Space experience that is not OST...I think the www already offers that as
any of us can jump around from topic to topic to our heart's delight. And
so I ask you a question Lucas...what is it you are really wanting to
create?

Birgitt

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:37 AM Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest
> online Open Space experience using video chat.
>
> I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that you might
> have a moment to think about what online OS experience would work best for
> you, rather than letting my thoughts influence yours.
>
>
>
> My...
>
>
> thoughts...
>
>
> are...
>
>
> down...
>
>
> below...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here are my rough thoughts:
>
> 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You can see the following:
>
>- where the opening circle is
>- how many virtual breakout spaces there are
>- who is in each virtual space right now
>- what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board /
>marketplace / idea wall)
>
> 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.
>
> *Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:*
> 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area available to
> all participants.
>
> 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like to speak.
>
> 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to step away
> for a moment").
>
> *Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to hearing what you have
> in mind!*
>
> Lucas Cioffi
> Founder, QiqoChat
> Charlottesville, VA
> Mobile: 917-528-1831
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Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

Lucas – your comments as always are provocative. But maybe a bit too literal? 

 

My thought is – replicating OS (as experienced by human beings in a physical 
room) is a worthwhile undertaking. The deeper task, I would think, is to open 
some new space that is available only online. Just as the “normal” (space/time) 
OST tends to blow people away – what is the cyber-equivalent? 

 

I don’t have a clue of an answer. But I do remember “way back when” – sitting 
at my kitchen table with a TI Silent 700 plugged into a phone through 
acoustical couplings.  Suddenly “it” came alive and electronic beings from all 
over the planet for the most part (actually I am not really sure where they 
came from) populated my table, life, reality…. Space hadn’t opened. Space/time 
was transformed. 

 

What can you do for me baby? I guess that is the question.

 

Harrison 

 

Winter Address

7808 River Falls Dr.

Potomac, MD 20854

301-365-2093

 

Summer Address

189 Beaucauire Ave

Camden, ME 04843

207 763-3261

 

Websites

www.openspaceworld.com

www.ho-image.com

 

From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Lucas 
Cioffi via OSList
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:36 AM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Subject: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

 

Hi All,

 

I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest online 
Open Space experience using video chat.  

 

I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that you might have 
a moment to think about what online OS experience would work best for you, 
rather than letting my thoughts influence yours.

 

 

 

My...

 

 

thoughts...

 

 

are...

 

 

down...

 

 

below...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here are my rough thoughts:

 

1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You can see the following:

*   where the opening circle is
*   how many virtual breakout spaces there are
*   who is in each virtual space right now
*   what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board / 
marketplace / idea wall)

2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.

 

Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:

3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area available to all 
participants.

 

4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like to speak.

 

5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to step away for a 
moment").

 

Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to hearing what you have in mind!




Lucas Cioffi

Founder, QiqoChat

Charlottesville, VA

Mobile: 917-528-1831

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[OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Lucas Cioffi via OSList]

Hi All,

I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest online
Open Space experience using video chat.

I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that you might
have a moment to think about what online OS experience would work best for
you, rather than letting my thoughts influence yours.



My...


thoughts...


are...


down...


below...













Here are my rough thoughts:

1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You can see the following:

   - where the opening circle is
   - how many virtual breakout spaces there are
   - who is in each virtual space right now
   - what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board /
   marketplace / idea wall)

2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.

*Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:*
3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area available to all
participants.

4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like to speak.

5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to step away
for a moment").

*Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to hearing what you have in
mind!*

Lucas Cioffi
Founder, QiqoChat
Charlottesville, VA
Mobile: 917-528-1831
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