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Thanks Michael, your analysis and feed-back motivates me to become more virtually active and find partners. Leaning back and being sceptical (without having virtual experience) has been my attitude for a year. Too long. I intent to "get my feet wet" and find tech-support (following Heidi's advice in Qiqo interview). Do it, reflect, share (on the list) and do it better. Wish you well Original Message FROM: Michael M Pannwitz [1] TO: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org [2] , van wezel [3] , gijs [4] SENT: Sat, 15 May 2021 12:14:39 +0200 SUBJECT: Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3 Dear Gijs, in my active os facilitation days (until 2012) I published detailed cost estimates. Looking at this one (in German) http://www.meine-openspace-praxis.de/Dateien/18-Kosten-3Tage-130TN.pdf [5] travelling costs did not show up. That had to do with the nature of the event. It took place in Berlin, so no travel costs for me. Most participants lived and worked in Berlin. Those from outside had their travel expenses paid by their organisations or they paid for them personally. Looking at the sheet, I do see a number of items that were universal: - The omnipresent buffet (Pausenloses Pausenbüffet) and the rent for the space (Raummiete) made up about one third of the cost - The costs for the facilitation team, about one third of total cost -The remaining third went for management of the event, Material, Planning Session, Next Meeting, advertising and miscellanious items Looking at all of this it seems that real life os might cost more than virtual. After 2012 until today, I was frequently contacted for collegiate advice or counselling (no wonder because the 2385 facilitators that took part in os-trainings I was involved in had "lifelong free consulting"). So, I was honored to be in touch with the trade. One of the feedbacks I got is that an online version of a Planning Sessions for an os event is acceptable. Participants of those online Planning Sessions gave similar feedbacks that we regularly received after real life Planning Sessions, such as "never experienced a meeting as this one with such concrete outcomes in such a short time... and it was fun...". Of course, Planning Sessions in itself are not os-events... they do however produce only stuff that the participants themselves craft and cast into action. Has anyone had the chance to get feedback from participants that experienced both real life and digital os events? Especially the experience of a full fledged 3-day event real life versus online? Greetings from Berlin mmp - Am 15.05.2021 um 04:29 schrieb Mega via OSList: > Re: virtual open space facilitator > > Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of faciltators to the sponsor of the event. > It is an awakening for me to realize the impact covid had on group events and it's future. Sponsors seem to accept the reduced impact as it also reduces the (travelling) cost significantly. > > -- Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany ++49 - 30-772 8000 mmpannw...@gmail.com [6] Links: -- [1] mailto:mmpannw...@gmail.com [2] mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org [3] http://webmail.megainternational.com.hk/rdmail/mailto: [4] mailto:g...@megainternational.com.hk [5] http://www.meine-openspace-praxis.de/Dateien/18-Kosten-3Tage-130TN.pdf [6] mailto:mmpannw...@gmail.com ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
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Thanks all for sharing your thoughts, experiences and stories, very inspiring. I too have powerful experiences of Open Space Tech meetings online since many years. And also sometimes it gives access for people who would otherwise not been able to join. A couple of months ago I coached a hospital in Norway which wanted to go online with OST (one of their employees had an OST training with Eiwor and me 15 years ago and they have been using it ever since, and it has been an important part in their transformation – an article is being written on this story currently (thanks to my collegue Doris)). 70 persons from municipalities, NGOs and hospital employees co-created input for the upcoming hospital plan. And for sure they worked energetically and created great results. Of course it is impossible to know what results a physical OST would have had apart from that not everyone of them would have been able to take part. I think the impact of an OST has more to do with HOW it is facilitated (incl prep and follow up), including all the pieces that have been mentioned in this thread, than if it is done in physical space or online. But if you cut out pieces it will not have the same impact. Such as walking the circle… With appreciation Thomas Från: OSList För Peggy Holman via OSList Skickat: den 16 maj 2021 16:10 Till: World wide Open Space Technology email list Kopia: Peggy Holman ; Barry Owen Ämne: Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3 I love this question of can an online meeting be as effective as FtF! I have two examples where it was MORE effective. One was a summit launching a collaborative. It would probably have been too expensive to meet in person with a group of 30 so this meeting wouldn’t have happened. If it had, I would have wanted two days for it. I had three hours with the group. The intent was to create a foundation and self-organize the work. They did it. New and deeper connections were formed, both expected and unexpected people took the lead as working groups coalesced around the things the sponsor hoped for and things she hadn’t thought of. They were thrilled. The second example is from an educator friend who had to move a class she’d taught for years online. Admittedly it wasn’t all classic open space (neither was the summit) but it was imbued with the spirit of open space. Not only did her students tell her that the classes were more meaningful than their other online classes, but the tangible results, as assessed by their papers, was the best she had ever received. In other words, her pedagogy, which incorporated Open Space online, produced more learning and integration of that learning than her in-person version of the class. That’s a result to study more thoroughly! Peggy Holman 206-948-0432 Sent from my iPad On May 16, 2021, at 5:38 AM, Barry Owen via OSList mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote: I love this conversation! Something I've noticed is that (Because of all the things Michael has mentioned) presence of SPIRIT seems to me to be more important when doing the "building" for an on-line meeting. I sense that it's easy for anyone to show up by clicking in "just because" because it IS now SO easy to join and to quit. I believe that creating the compelling theme that inspires passion that participants can imagine that their presence will contribute to making a difference of significance relative to this "IMPORTANT" issue. I paid $50 to attend an on-line meeting just because of my curiosity - 10 minutes into it, and I realized I had ZERO passion for the cryptic theme - I used my 2 feet thankful that I had not travelled physically. Maybe when the ripe preconditions are present (Important/Complex issue - Diversity of people - Potential for conflict - Need for resolution YESTERDAY) then any space we "build" would be appropriate . . . When the Theme is clear, the right people will come, and there's not much a facilitator or process could do to squash the passion . . . Cause, if they don't like the provided structure, they'll LEAVE and go to a place that is more conducive to their mission. On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 3:47 PM Michael Herman via OSList mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote: i like this distinction you make about holding and building, steve. i find that working online requires me to be more active than i like in "shaping" the space. i much prefer to set the chairs and be done with the shaping in a physical gathering. i completely agree that online is not the factor that would make for less impact. look at reddit and the impact some there, meeting and talking online, have had on financial markets recently, in the US, anyway. big impact! the thing that's different for me online is transactions cost. it's way easier to click in than to board an airplane or even drive across town to a meeting. and it's easier to leave. it's
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ey’ve >>> definitely lacked the impact I wanted. >>> >>> But not all of them had reduced impact. Some online meetups and open spaces >>> had increased impact, and even where impact was lacking we’ve been learning >>> how to create or hold space for more impact next time. >>> >>> I don’t think that holding Open Space online is what creates reduced impact. >>> >>> I believe, it’s the way we think about online meetups (including Open >>> Space) that’s limiting. >>> >>> I still believe we’ve only scratched the surface of what is possible with >>> online Open Space. >>> >>> I’m also more and more convinced that what we are learning about holding >>> space for Open Space online is one key to creating more impact for many >>> different events online—especially when the "meeting" itself is not "open >>> space". >>> >>> I keep finding that the principles of open space are teaching me a lot >>> about facilitating other events online—even when those events are not using >>> OST to engage the outcomes. >>> >>> One thing about online Open Space that’s significantly different to me is >>> that I’m not only "holding space", I’m also "building" space. >>> >>> In the physical open space someone has already built the physical space >>> (and manufactured chairs, and painted the walls etc). As a facilitator I >>> work with the sponsor to find a physical space (where possible) that’s open >>> and inviting and "fits" the invitation they’re making to the open space. >>> But how lucky we were to walk into a space that was already built. We >>> "just" had to put the chairs in a circle. (Note: I’m smiling when I say >>> "just".) >>> >>> I believe online the OS facilitator is part of building the "space" that >>> people will enter virtually before you hold it for them. Key to building >>> online space for impact simplicity, invitation and welcoming emergence are >>> keys building space for impact (like with the facilitator’s script for >>> "opening" the circle). >>> >>> (This is also topical for me. By complete coincidence, I’m hosting a couple >>> of free meetups on this in the next few days — 6PM for folks in >>> Berlin/Zurich and Noon for folks in NYC. If there’s interest here I can >>> post the links. Can also potentially add a meetup that’s more comfortable >>> for people in timezones to the East of me—where it’s later.) >>> >>> On 15 May 2021, at 9:11, Thomas Herrmann via OSList wrote: >>> >>> I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an >>> impact than physical open space. Any more thoughts around that, anyone? >>> Wishing all open spacers a grand weekend >>> Thomas >>> >>> Hämta Outlook för iOS >>> Från: OSList för Mega via OSList >>> >>> Skickat: Saturday, May 15, 2021 4:29:52 AM >>> Till: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >>> Kopia: Mega >>> Ämne: Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3 >>> >>> Re: virtual open space facilitator >>> >>> Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of faciltators to >>> the sponsor of the event. >>> It is an awakening for me to realize the impact covid had on group events >>> and it's future. Sponsors seem to accept the reduced impact as it also >>> reduces the (travelling) cost significantly. >>> >>> >>> > On 13 May 2021, at 4:49 AM, oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: >>> > >>> > Send OSList mailing list submissions to >>> >oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >>> > >>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> >http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> >oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org >>> > >>> > You can reach the person managing the list at >>> >oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org >>> > >>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." >>> > >>> > >>> > Today's Topics: >>> > >>> > 1. Re: Virtual OST facilitator UK
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e to walk into a space that was already built. We >> "just" had to put the chairs in a circle. (Note: I’m smiling when I say >> "just".) >> >> I believe online the OS facilitator is part of building the "space" that >> people will enter virtually before you hold it for them. Key to building >> online space for impact simplicity, invitation and welcoming emergence are >> keys building space for impact (like with the facilitator’s script for >> "opening" the circle). >> >> (This is also topical for me. By complete coincidence, I’m hosting a >> couple of free meetups on this in the next few days — 6PM for folks in >> Berlin/Zurich and Noon for folks in NYC. If there’s interest here I can >> post the links. Can also potentially add a meetup that’s more comfortable >> for people in timezones to the East of me—where it’s later.) >> >> On 15 May 2021, at 9:11, Thomas Herrmann via OSList wrote: >> >> I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an >> impact than physical open space. Any more thoughts around that, anyone? >> Wishing all open spacers a grand weekend >> Thomas >> >> Hämta Outlook för iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >> -- >> *Från:* OSList för Mega via >> OSList >> *Skickat:* Saturday, May 15, 2021 4:29:52 AM >> *Till:* oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >> *Kopia:* Mega >> *Ämne:* Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3 >> >> Re: virtual open space facilitator >> >> Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of faciltators >> to the sponsor of the event. >> It is an awakening for me to realize the impact covid had on group events >> and it's future. Sponsors seem to accept the reduced impact as it also >> reduces the (travelling) cost significantly. >> >> >> > On 13 May 2021, at 4:49 AM, oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org >> wrote: >> > >> > Send OSList mailing list submissions to >> >oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >> > >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org >> > >> > You can reach the person managing the list at >> >oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org >> > >> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. Re: Virtual OST facilitator UK? (Gijs) >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Message: 1 >> > Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 16:04:36 +0800 >> > From: Gijs >> > To: >> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Virtual OST facilitator UK? >> > Message-ID: >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> > >> > Dear All, A good friend is possibly looking to host a virtual open >> > space and has asked me if I would/could facilitate. As this is not my >> > strength and I would be very happy to pass it on to someone who has >> > virtual experience and is preferably in the UK (maybe Phelim as we were >> > both in Gail's Taipeh OST intro training in 2008?). Please private email >> > me if you are interested. I will be more than happy to return the >> > introduction favour to the community, although I do not know any >> > details. gijsvanwe...@gmail.com >> > >> > Gijs van WezeL, MSc. >> > >> > Supporting >> > Personal Development and Team Collaborative Processes >> > >> > >> > www.gijsvanwezel.com >> > >> > +60-173719727Gijs van WezeL, MSc. >> > >> > "Asking >> > questions - rather than telling- is the best way of mentally engaging >> > people". Original Message >> > FROM: >> > oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org [1] TO: >> > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org [2] >> > SENT: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:40:35 >> > -0700 >> > SUBJECT: OSList Digest, Vol 120, Issue 13 >> > >> > Send OSList mailing >> > list submissions to >> > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org [3] >> > >> > To subscribe or >> > unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, >> > visit &
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Thanks for your insightful posts Michael and Steve. I also like the clarification of us creating the space and holding the space. Since the pandemic started I have trained hundreds of people in facilitating better online meetings.I find there is much confusion creating different assumptions around online meetings.this goes for ordinary meetings as well as open-space technology used online. I often say that online meetings can be at least as impactful as physical meetings.this is partly because there are so many lousy physical meetings And my experience that online meetings can be really live nurturing and efficient. When I facilitate open space technology meetings online I do my best to stay as close as possible to how I facilitate open space in physical environment. This means staying very close to ’the book’, by Harrison Owen (Open space technology, a users guide). Just as when I work physically I put much attention to the pre-work and follow-up. I see a risk that OST gets distorted online just as sometimes happens in physical meetings.the risk seems even higher online to me. I’d be interested to know more about your meet ups Steve so please share more about what you are up to. With appreciation Thomas Hämta Outlook för iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> Från: OSList för Michael Herman via OSList Skickat: Saturday, May 15, 2021 10:47:05 PM Till: World wide Open Space Technology email list Kopia: Michael Herman Ämne: Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3 i like this distinction you make about holding and building, steve. i find that working online requires me to be more active than i like in "shaping" the space. i much prefer to set the chairs and be done with the shaping in a physical gathering. i completely agree that online is not the factor that would make for less impact. look at reddit and the impact some there, meeting and talking online, have had on financial markets recently, in the US, anyway. big impact! the thing that's different for me online is transactions cost. it's way easier to click in than to board an airplane or even drive across town to a meeting. and it's easier to leave. it's harder to focus. i think this dilutes passion. it's a drag for everyone. which means it's even more important to be talking about something that's REALLY important. that, to me, is the challenge. and... if that means narrowing the topic, maybe what would previously have been one big os meeting becomes a series of smaller/shorter and more focused sessions. ongoing os, even. in agile terms, i guess what i'm saying is we have to be more focused than ever on desired outcomes, over just producing the familiar outputs. -- Michael Herman Michael Herman Associates 312-280-7838 (mobile) MichaelHerman.com<http://MichaelHerman.com> OpenSpaceWorld.org<http://OpenSpaceWorld.org> On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 10:38 AM Steve Holyer via OSList mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote: Thomas wrote, "I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an impact than physical open space." It’s a fair assumption I think. In my experience many online meetups of the last year—including online Open Spaces—have been just kinda m’eh. They’ve definitely lacked the impact I wanted. But not all of them had reduced impact. Some online meetups and open spaces had increased impact, and even where impact was lacking we’ve been learning how to create or hold space for more impact next time. I don’t think that holding Open Space online is what creates reduced impact. I believe, it’s the way we think about online meetups (including Open Space) that’s limiting. I still believe we’ve only scratched the surface of what is possible with online Open Space. I’m also more and more convinced that what we are learning about holding space for Open Space online is one key to creating more impact for many different events online—especially when the "meeting" itself is not "open space". I keep finding that the principles of open space are teaching me a lot about facilitating other events online—even when those events are not using OST to engage the outcomes. One thing about online Open Space that’s significantly different to me is that I’m not only "holding space", I’m also "building" space. In the physical open space someone has already built the physical space (and manufactured chairs, and painted the walls etc). As a facilitator I work with the sponsor to find a physical space (where possible) that’s open and inviting and "fits" the invitation they’re making to the open space. But how lucky we were to walk into a space that was already built. We "just" had to put the chairs in a circle. (Note: I’m smiling when I say "just".) I believe online the OS facilitator is part of building the "space" th
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i like this distinction you make about holding and building, steve. i find that working online requires me to be more active than i like in "shaping" the space. i much prefer to set the chairs and be done with the shaping in a physical gathering. i completely agree that online is not the factor that would make for less impact. look at reddit and the impact some there, meeting and talking online, have had on financial markets recently, in the US, anyway. big impact! the thing that's different for me online is transactions cost. it's way easier to click in than to board an airplane or even drive across town to a meeting. and it's easier to leave. it's harder to focus. i think this dilutes passion. it's a drag for everyone. which means it's even more important to be talking about something that's REALLY important. that, to me, is the challenge. and... if that means narrowing the topic, maybe what would previously have been one big os meeting becomes a series of smaller/shorter and more focused sessions. ongoing os, even. in agile terms, i guess what i'm saying is we have to be more focused than ever on desired outcomes, over just producing the familiar outputs. -- Michael Herman Michael Herman Associates 312-280-7838 (mobile) MichaelHerman.com OpenSpaceWorld.org On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 10:38 AM Steve Holyer via OSList < oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: > Thomas wrote, "I am curious about the assumption that online open space > has less of an impact than physical open space." > > It’s a fair assumption I think. In my experience many online meetups of > the last year—including online Open Spaces—have been just kinda m’eh. > They’ve definitely lacked the impact I wanted. > > But not all of them had reduced impact. Some online meetups and open > spaces had increased impact, and even where impact was lacking we’ve been > learning how to create or hold space for more impact next time. > > I don’t think that holding Open Space online is what creates reduced > impact. > > I believe, it’s the way we think about online meetups (including Open > Space) that’s limiting. > > I still believe we’ve only scratched the surface of what is possible with > online Open Space. > > I’m also more and more convinced that what we are learning about holding > space for Open Space online is one key to creating more impact for many > different events online—especially when the "meeting" itself is not "open > space". > > I keep finding that the principles of open space are teaching me a lot > about facilitating other events online—even when those events are not using > OST to engage the outcomes. > > One thing about online Open Space that’s significantly different to me is > that I’m not only "holding space", I’m also "building" space. > > In the physical open space someone has already built the physical space > (and manufactured chairs, and painted the walls etc). As a facilitator I > work with the sponsor to find a physical space (where possible) that’s open > and inviting and "fits" the invitation they’re making to the open space. > But how lucky we were to walk into a space that was already built. We > "just" had to put the chairs in a circle. (Note: I’m smiling when I say > "just".) > > I believe online the OS facilitator is part of building the "space" that > people will enter virtually before you hold it for them. Key to building > online space for impact simplicity, invitation and welcoming emergence are > keys building space for impact (like with the facilitator’s script for > "opening" the circle). > > (This is also topical for me. By complete coincidence, I’m hosting a > couple of free meetups on this in the next few days — 6PM for folks in > Berlin/Zurich and Noon for folks in NYC. If there’s interest here I can > post the links. Can also potentially add a meetup that’s more comfortable > for people in timezones to the East of me—where it’s later.) > > On 15 May 2021, at 9:11, Thomas Herrmann via OSList wrote: > > I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an > impact than physical open space. Any more thoughts around that, anyone? > Wishing all open spacers a grand weekend > Thomas > > Hämta Outlook för iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > -- > *Från:* OSList för Mega via > OSList > *Skickat:* Saturday, May 15, 2021 4:29:52 AM > *Till:* oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > *Kopia:* Mega > *Ämne:* Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3 > > Re: virtual open space facilitator > > Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of faciltators to > the sponsor of the event. > It is an awakening for
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Thomas wrote, "I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an impact than physical open space." It’s a fair assumption I think. In my experience many online meetups of the last year—including online Open Spaces—have been just kinda m’eh. They’ve definitely lacked the impact I wanted. But not all of them had reduced impact. Some online meetups and open spaces had increased impact, and even where impact was lacking we’ve been learning how to create or hold space for more impact next time. I don’t think that holding Open Space online is what creates reduced impact. I believe, it’s the way we think about online meetups (including Open Space) that’s limiting. I still believe we’ve only scratched the surface of what is possible with online Open Space. I’m also more and more convinced that what we are learning about holding space for Open Space online is one key to creating more impact for many different events online—especially when the "meeting" itself is not "open space". I keep finding that the principles of open space are teaching me a lot about facilitating other events online—even when those events are not using OST to engage the outcomes. One thing about online Open Space that’s significantly different to me is that I’m not only "holding space", I’m also "building" space. In the physical open space someone has already built the physical space (and manufactured chairs, and painted the walls etc). As a facilitator I work with the sponsor to find a physical space (where possible) that’s open and inviting and "fits" the invitation they’re making to the open space. But how lucky we were to walk into a space that was already built. We "just" had to put the chairs in a circle. (Note: I’m smiling when I say "just".) I believe online the OS facilitator is part of building the "space" that people will enter virtually before you hold it for them. Key to building online space for impact simplicity, invitation and welcoming emergence are keys building space for impact (like with the facilitator’s script for "opening" the circle). (This is also topical for me. By complete coincidence, I’m hosting a couple of free meetups on this in the next few days — 6PM for folks in Berlin/Zurich and Noon for folks in NYC. If there’s interest here I can post the links. Can also potentially add a meetup that’s more comfortable for people in timezones to the East of me—where it’s later.) On 15 May 2021, at 9:11, Thomas Herrmann via OSList wrote: I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an impact than physical open space. Any more thoughts around that, anyone? Wishing all open spacers a grand weekend Thomas Hämta Outlook för iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> Från: OSList för Mega via OSList Skickat: Saturday, May 15, 2021 4:29:52 AM Till: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org Kopia: Mega Ämne: Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3 Re: virtual open space facilitator Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of faciltators to the sponsor of the event. It is an awakening for me to realize the impact covid had on group events and it's future. Sponsors seem to accept the reduced impact as it also reduces the (travelling) cost significantly. On 13 May 2021, at 4:49 AM, oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Send OSList mailing list submissions to oslist@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org You can reach the person managing the list at oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Virtual OST facilitator UK? (Gijs) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 16:04:36 +0800 From: Gijs To: Subject: Re: [OSList] Virtual OST facilitator UK? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear All, A good friend is possibly looking to host a virtual open space and has asked me if I would/could facilitate. As this is not my strength and I would be very happy to pass it on to someone who has virtual experience and is preferably in the UK (maybe Phelim as we were both in Gail's Taipeh OST intro training in 2008?). Please private email me if you are interested. I will be more than happy to return the introduction favour to the community, although I do not know any details. gijsvanwe...@gmail.com Gijs van WezeL, MSc. Supporting Personal Development and Team Collaborative Processes www.gijsvanwezel.com<http://www.gi
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Dear Gijs, in my active os facilitation days (until 2012) I published detailed cost estimates. Looking at this one (in German) http://www.meine-openspace-praxis.de/Dateien/18-Kosten-3Tage-130TN.pdf travelling costs did not show up. That had to do with the nature of the event. It took place in Berlin, so no travel costs for me. Most participants lived and worked in Berlin. Those from outside had their travel expenses paid by their organisations or they paid for them personally. Looking at the sheet, I do see a number of items that were universal: - The omnipresent buffet (Pausenloses Pausenbüffet) and the rent for the space (Raummiete) made up about one third of the cost - The costs for the facilitation team, about one third of total cost -The remaining third went for management of the event, Material, Planning Session, Next Meeting, advertising and miscellanious items Looking at all of this it seems that real life os might cost more than virtual. After 2012 until today, I was frequently contacted for collegiate advice or counselling (no wonder because the 2385 facilitators that took part in os-trainings I was involved in had "lifelong free consulting"). So, I was honored to be in touch with the trade. One of the feedbacks I got is that an online version of a Planning Sessions for an os event is acceptable. Participants of those online Planning Sessions gave similar feedbacks that we regularly received after real life Planning Sessions, such as "never experienced a meeting as this one with such concrete outcomes in such a short time... and it was fun...". Of course, Planning Sessions in itself are not os-events... they do however produce only stuff that the participants themselves craft and cast into action. Has anyone had the chance to get feedback from participants that experienced both real life and digital os events? Especially the experience of a full fledged 3-day event real life versus online? Greetings from Berlin mmp - Am 15.05.2021 um 04:29 schrieb Mega via OSList: > Re: virtual open space facilitator > > Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of faciltators to the sponsor of the event. > It is an awakening for me to realize the impact covid had on group events and it's future. Sponsors seem to accept the reduced impact as it also reduces the (travelling) cost significantly. > > -- Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany ++49 - 30-772 8000 mmpannw...@gmail.com ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3
I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an impact than physical open space. Any more thoughts around that, anyone? Wishing all open spacers a grand weekend Thomas Hämta Outlook för iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> Från: OSList för Mega via OSList Skickat: Saturday, May 15, 2021 4:29:52 AM Till: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org Kopia: Mega Ämne: Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3 Re: virtual open space facilitator Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of faciltators to the sponsor of the event. It is an awakening for me to realize the impact covid had on group events and it's future. Sponsors seem to accept the reduced impact as it also reduces the (travelling) cost significantly. > On 13 May 2021, at 4:49 AM, oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: > > Send OSList mailing list submissions to >oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at >oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Virtual OST facilitator UK? (Gijs) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 16:04:36 +0800 > From: Gijs > To: > Subject: Re: [OSList] Virtual OST facilitator UK? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear All, A good friend is possibly looking to host a virtual open > space and has asked me if I would/could facilitate. As this is not my > strength and I would be very happy to pass it on to someone who has > virtual experience and is preferably in the UK (maybe Phelim as we were > both in Gail's Taipeh OST intro training in 2008?). Please private email > me if you are interested. I will be more than happy to return the > introduction favour to the community, although I do not know any > details. gijsvanwe...@gmail.com > > Gijs van WezeL, MSc. > > Supporting > Personal Development and Team Collaborative Processes > > > www.gijsvanwezel.com<http://www.gijsvanwezel.com> > > +60-173719727Gijs van WezeL, MSc. > > "Asking > questions - rather than telling- is the best way of mentally engaging > people". Original Message > FROM: > oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org [1] TO: > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org [2] > SENT: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:40:35 > -0700 > SUBJECT: OSList Digest, Vol 120, Issue 13 > > Send OSList mailing > list submissions to > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org [3] > > To subscribe or > unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > [4] > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to > oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org [5] > > You can reach the person > managing the list at > oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org [6] > > When > replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than > "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Future of Work > - 24 hours May 7-8 (Open Space Institute U.S.) > > > -- > > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 16:28:39 -0600 > From: "Open Space > Institute U.S." > To: OSLIST > Subject: [OSList] Future of Work - 24 > hours May 7-8 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; > format=flowed > > The Open Space Institute - U.S. welcomes you to the 24 > Hour Future of > Work event, May 7-8. > > We are glad to be a sponsor for > this world wide open space covering all > time zones. > > For discount > code, and registration info - visit this > site: > > https://osius.org/content/future-work-may-7-8 [10] > > ??? With > Gratitude, > ??? The OSI-US Board > > -- > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > ___ > OSList mailing list > To > post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org [12] > To unsubscribe > send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org [13] > To subscribe > or manage your subscription click > below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > [14] > Past archives c
Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3
Re: virtual open space facilitator Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of faciltators to the sponsor of the event. It is an awakening for me to realize the impact covid had on group events and it's future. Sponsors seem to accept the reduced impact as it also reduces the (travelling) cost significantly. > On 13 May 2021, at 4:49 AM, oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: > > Send OSList mailing list submissions to >oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at >oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Virtual OST facilitator UK? (Gijs) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 16:04:36 +0800 > From: Gijs > To: > Subject: Re: [OSList] Virtual OST facilitator UK? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear All, A good friend is possibly looking to host a virtual open > space and has asked me if I would/could facilitate. As this is not my > strength and I would be very happy to pass it on to someone who has > virtual experience and is preferably in the UK (maybe Phelim as we were > both in Gail's Taipeh OST intro training in 2008?). Please private email > me if you are interested. I will be more than happy to return the > introduction favour to the community, although I do not know any > details. gijsvanwe...@gmail.com > > Gijs van WezeL, MSc. > > Supporting > Personal Development and Team Collaborative Processes > > > www.gijsvanwezel.com > > +60-173719727Gijs van WezeL, MSc. > > "Asking > questions - rather than telling- is the best way of mentally engaging > people". Original Message > FROM: > oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org [1] TO: > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org [2] > SENT: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:40:35 > -0700 > SUBJECT: OSList Digest, Vol 120, Issue 13 > > Send OSList mailing > list submissions to > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org [3] > > To subscribe or > unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > [4] > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to > oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org [5] > > You can reach the person > managing the list at > oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org [6] > > When > replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than > "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Future of Work > - 24 hours May 7-8 (Open Space Institute U.S.) > > > -- > > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 16:28:39 -0600 > From: "Open Space > Institute U.S." > To: OSLIST > Subject: [OSList] Future of Work - 24 > hours May 7-8 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; > format=flowed > > The Open Space Institute - U.S. welcomes you to the 24 > Hour Future of > Work event, May 7-8. > > We are glad to be a sponsor for > this world wide open space covering all > time zones. > > For discount > code, and registration info - visit this > site: > > https://osius.org/content/future-work-may-7-8 [10] > > ??? With > Gratitude, > ??? The OSI-US Board > > -- > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > ___ > OSList mailing list > To > post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org [12] > To unsubscribe > send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org [13] > To subscribe > or manage your subscription click > below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > [14] > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org [15] > > > -- > > End of OSList Digest, Vol 120, Issue > 13 > *** > > Links: > -- > [1] > mailto:oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org > [2] > mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > [3] > mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > [4] > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > [5] > mailto:oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org > [6] > mailto:oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org > [7] > mailto:offic...@osius.org > [8] mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > [9] > mailto:e4cf646a-8366-0f57-5bdd-a90b0c56e...@osius.org > [10] > https://osius.org/content/future-work-may-7-8 > [11] > https://osius.org/content/future-work-may-7-8 > [12] > mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > [13] > mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >
