osmand destination planning

[alpine14011970]

Picking the same destination both on my Samsung Galaxy S8+ and racing it 
against my Samsung Galaxy Tab 2, the Tab 2 wins by far, the Galaxy S8+ just 
sits there wondering which route to take.  Galaxy S8+ has a faster processor, 
yet is beaten by the Tab2, a much older unit!  Any help would be much 
appreciated.

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Re: Keeping destination in OsmAnd

['Xavier' via Osmand]

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 07:25:19PM -0700, OA wrote:

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 6:15:00 AM UTC-7, Xavier wrote:


For myself, I've prepared routes in OsmAnd ahead of time, and when I've
used the "show home screen" button (or the "show running apps" button
and then picking another running app) I've never experienced the
prepared route disappearing in OsmAnd.


That;s a good advice. Thanks! I'll keep that in mine next time :)


>But this time, OsmAnd ALWAYS set destination to my first 
>intermediate waypoint, resetting my actual destination (Home).



Today OsmAnd has updated itself to 3.4.2 (released 2019-07-10).


I do not yet have that version, so I can't comment on what it is doing.


Unfortunately this version is worse, than its predecessor... As usual, I
set destination - Home. Then no matter what I do, it always reset its
destination from Home to my first intermediate destination as my actual
destination. :(  And no matter what I do, the result is ALWAYS the same -
it changes destination... WTF???


This is the part where you are performing a very unique method of
routing.



What's unique about it?


Very few individuals would consider "home" to be a destination when 
they are presently at the location of "home".  A "destination" would be 
a location other than the location where one is presently positioned.


I did it many times before and it always worked well.  But now, when I 
tap on "DIRECTIONS" button (right bottom corner) there is no any menu 
asking to set is it as "first intermediate destination" or "last 
intermediate destination".  Now, it sets destination to that waypoint 
all the time...  Do you know how to get that menu back?


No, but with 3.3.8 from f-droid, I can:

1) press the "begin route" button
2) tap the "from" area (which defaults to "my position") and pick 
  "home"

3) tap the "to: area which defaults to "select destination"
4) pick "home" (at which point both From and To say "Home"
5) Press the "+" symbol on the right most edge of the "To" area
6) Select "Favorites" (so I can pick a known location)
7) Pick a saved "favorite"

And when I pick a saved "favorite" I am returned to the route screen 
with the "From" box holding "home", the "intermediate destination (1)" box 
containing the favorite I selected, and the "To" box containing "home".


So both the "From" and "To" boxes held their original contents even 
after I added an intermediate destination between "home" and "home".  
So for what I can tell from 3.3.8. I can recreate what I believe you 
are attempting to do, and everything seems to work properly (for 
myself).



>Sitting in my car, I tried it again and again.  Perhaps after 20th
>attempt I gave up, ending without any route...  I drove my car without
>OsmAnd instructions :(


And now it's even worse. I can't get to menu offering  "first intermediate
destination" or "last intermediate destination".


With 3.3.8 that menu seems to be behind the small pencil icon on the 
far right of the "intermediate destinations" row.  When I press that 
small pencil, I get a full detail list of the "From", intermediates, 
and the "To" positions, along with a "+ add" button on the bottom that 
I remember from earlier versions.


But, could you not have simply routed to each end point as a 
"destination", then at the last end point, asked OsmAnd to route you 
home from that location?



There is no way to do it. It always sets new destination to intermediate
destination...


When you tap the "To" row, the location you choose becomes an 
"intermediate"?  For me, with 3.3.8, if I press anywhere on the "To" 
row, other than the plus on the far right, I can change the actual "To" 
destination box contents.  Only if I press the plus ("+") on the far 
right do I add intermediate destinations (which is my expectation from 
a "+" icon and the fact that the menu that appears after pressing the 
plus icon says "Add intermediate".  But pressing anywhere else lets me 
change what is stored as the "To" destination.


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Re: Keeping destination in OsmAnd

[OA]

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 6:15:00 AM UTC-7, Xavier wrote:
>
> For myself, I've prepared routes in OsmAnd ahead of time, and when I've 
> used the "show home screen" button (or the "show running apps" button 
> and then picking another running app) I've never experienced the 
> prepared route disappearing in OsmAnd. 
>
> That;s a good advice. Thanks! I'll keep that in mine next time :)
 

> >But this time, OsmAnd ALWAYS set destination to my first intermediate 
> >waypoint, resetting my actual destination (Home). 
>
> Today OsmAnd has updated itself to 3.4.2 (released 2019-07-10). 
Unfortunately this version is worse, than its predecessor... As usual, I 
set destination - Home. Then no matter what I do, it always reset its 
destination from Home to my first intermediate destination as my actual 
destination. :(  And no matter what I do, the result is ALWAYS the same - 
it changes destination... WTF??? 

This is the part where you are performing a very unique method of 
> routing. 
>
What's unique about it? I did it many times before and it always worked 
well. But now, when I tap on "DIRECTIONS" button (right bottom corner) 
there is no any menu asking to set is it as "first intermediate 
destination" or "last intermediate destination". Now, it sets destination 
to that waypoint all the time...
Do you know how to get that menu back?
 

> >Sitting in my car, I tried it again and again.  Perhaps after 20th 
> >attempt I gave up, ending without any route...  I drove my car without 
> >OsmAnd instructions :( 
>
And now it's even worse. I can't get to menu offering  "first intermediate 
destination" or "last intermediate destination". 
 

> But, could you not have simply routed to each end point as a 
> "destination", then at the last end point, asked OsmAnd to route you 
> home from that location? 
>
 There is no way to do it. It always sets new destination to intermediate 
destination...
 

> Maybe try inputting the final 'stop' just prior to returning home as 
> your initial destination, then adding additional waypoints if you are 
> setting up a route through several stops, then inserting 'home' as an 
> absolute final destination last.  That way at least OsmAnd always has 
> at least one location that is away from your present location ('home') 
> so it will not think the route is over before it has begun. 
>
See my answer above. 

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Re: Turning off screen automatically

['P Wat' via Osmand]

H.
Same problem as Andy.  ie I set to 10 seconds.  Screen turned on OK before 
turns but would not turn off except manually.
I've now set it to 5 secs, and done a device re-start.  Will try again 
tomorrow.
Paul W

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 6:28:52 PM UTC+1, P Wat wrote:
>
> > Andy.
> IIRCyou have to set the duration you wish it to remain "On", eg 10 secs, 
> then get moving and turn the screen off - (Presumably a brief touch of your 
> device's physical On/Off button).
> I'm very pleased to hear this excellent facility has returned, and am 
> looking forward to testing it.  WIll feed-back later.
> Paul W
>
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 5:28:06 PM UTC+1, Andy Henderson wrote:
>>
>> Just tried using this feature on a ride and the screen turned on just 
>> fine but it wouldn't turn off. Tried 10seconds, 5seconds and none (which 
>> deactivated). Also tried with proximity detection on and off. No luck, 
>> screen just wouldn't switch off again. Anyone else see this? Any 
>> suggestions?
>>
>> Andy
>>
>

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Re: Touring View

[Bart Eisenberg]

What specifically are you finding useful?

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 9:39:48 AM UTC-7, Tom Norton wrote:
>
> We are currently cycling across Europe and yesterday I switched the map 
> style to Touring View. Has some nice details!

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Re: Turning off screen automatically

['P Wat' via Osmand]

> Andy.
IIRCyou have to set the duration you wish it to remain "On", eg 10 secs, 
then get moving and turn the screen off - (Presumably a brief touch of your 
device's physical On/Off button).
I'm very pleased to hear this excellent facility has returned, and am 
looking forward to testing it.  WIll feed-back later.
Paul W


On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 5:28:06 PM UTC+1, Andy Henderson wrote:
>
> Just tried using this feature on a ride and the screen turned on just fine 
> but it wouldn't turn off. Tried 10seconds, 5seconds and none (which 
> deactivated). Also tried with proximity detection on and off. No luck, 
> screen just wouldn't switch off again. Anyone else see this? Any 
> suggestions?
>
> Andy
>

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Touring View

[Tom Norton]

We are currently cycling across Europe and yesterday I switched the map style 
to Touring View. Has some nice details!

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Re: Turning off screen automatically

[Andy Henderson]

Just tried using this feature on a ride and the screen turned on just fine but 
it wouldn't turn off. Tried 10seconds, 5seconds and none (which deactivated). 
Also tried with proximity detection on and off. No luck, screen just wouldn't 
switch off again. Anyone else see this? Any suggestions?

Andy

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Re: store only maps on sd card

[Peer]

Hello Xavier,

thanks for your suggestion for the app "primitive ftpd".
I tried it and it works!
Peer

Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 16:58:22 UTC+2 schreef Xavier:
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 07:04:00AM -0700, Peer wrote: 
>
> >Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 13:20:31 UTC+2 schreef Harry van der Wolf: 
> >> 
> >> Op vr 12 jul. 2019 om 11:43 schreef Peer  >: 
> >> 
> >>> Is it possible to store only the maps on SD card and the other 
> >>> files (like: tracks) in internal storage??? 
> >> 
> >> No, that's not possible. 
> >> I don't see the necessity either.  You have 500MB to maybe 10GB on 
> >> your SD-card maps.  And another 50~150Kb on other data.  Why 
> >> separate that? 
> > 
> >The reason for this question is: 
> >I use Filezilla on my pc and an ssh-server on my phone.  I can easily 
> >transfer files from my pc to the internal storage of my phone.  But 
> >unfortunately I cannot directly transfer files from my pc to the 
> >sdcard.  There are other ways to transfer file from pc to phone but I 
> >prefer this one. 
>
> Will Filezilla support sftp or plain ftp?  If so, you might try 
> "primitive ftpd" from the F-Droid store 
> (https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.primftpd/). 
>
> It supports ftp and sftp, and it also supports the newer Android 
> "Storage Access Framework" which is often necessary to be able to 
> read/write to an external SD card in newer Android versions. 
>
> >I have tried to change the permissons of the sdcard but with no 
> >positive results. 
>
> Google made changes in the Android security requirements that have 
> limited the ability of apps to generally read/write anywhere on an 
> external SD card.  They are migrating to only allowing access through 
> the "Storage Access Framework" subsystem. 
>
>
>

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Re: Turning off screen automatically

[Helmut Jarausch]

If you set the 'time' to never you switch off this feature.

M U  schrieb am Fr., 12. Juli 2019, 14:52:

> W dniu 2019-07-12 o 13:30, Ken pisze:
> > Just received official 3.4.2 update today. Now have screen on/off option
> back again.
> >
> Is it really an option? Are you able to set it on or off?
>
> In my walking profile I see blue title "Turn screen on" and black
> description "Turn on device screen...". No way to enable or disable turn
> behaviour.
>
> Thanks.
>
> MU
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Re: Keeping destination in OsmAnd

[Bart Eisenberg]

Thanks Harry. For an update showing v.3.3 route prep and analysis, 
see https://youtu.be/UXpvjE1vmbI 

On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 6:09:23 PM UTC-7, OA wrote:
>
> With latest 3.3.6 OsmAnd I've noticed, that app stopped using the last 
> used destination point I used before I close it. Why is that? I always use 
> my "Home" as my final destination. Driving to work, then returning to home. 
> Driving to shop, than returning to home again... All of my navigation are 
> around the "home".  Now, when I launch OsmAnd, I noticed that it doesn't 
> offer that old destination and I have to set new destination all the time  
> :( This becomes a big inconvenience for me comparing to the old versions of 
> the program.
> How to make OsmAnd to keep destination from the previous sessions?
> If there is no way to do so, where I can find old versions of OsmAnd? I'm 
> willing to return back to some old version if it's what I need to do to get 
> this convenient functionality back...
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Re: store only maps on sd card

['Xavier' via Osmand]

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 07:04:00AM -0700, Peer wrote:


Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 13:20:31 UTC+2 schreef Harry van der Wolf:


Op vr 12 jul. 2019 om 11:43 schreef Peer >:

Is it possible to store only the maps on SD card and the other 
files (like: tracks) in internal storage???


No, that's not possible.
I don't see the necessity either.  You have 500MB to maybe 10GB on 
your SD-card maps.  And another 50~150Kb on other data.  Why 
separate that?


The reason for this question is:
I use Filezilla on my pc and an ssh-server on my phone.  I can easily 
transfer files from my pc to the internal storage of my phone.  But 
unfortunately I cannot directly transfer files from my pc to the 
sdcard.  There are other ways to transfer file from pc to phone but I 
prefer this one.


Will Filezilla support sftp or plain ftp?  If so, you might try 
"primitive ftpd" from the F-Droid store 
(https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.primftpd/).


It supports ftp and sftp, and it also supports the newer Android 
"Storage Access Framework" which is often necessary to be able to 
read/write to an external SD card in newer Android versions.


I have tried to change the permissons of the sdcard but with no 
positive results.


Google made changes in the Android security requirements that have 
limited the ability of apps to generally read/write anywhere on an 
external SD card.  They are migrating to only allowing access through 
the "Storage Access Framework" subsystem.



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Re: store only maps on sd card

[Peer]

The reason for this question is:
I use Filezilla on my pc and an ssh-server on my phone. I can easily 
transfer files from my pc to the internal storage of my phone. But 
unfortunately I cannot directly transfer  files from my pc to the sdcard.
There are other ways to transfer file from pc to phone but I prefer this 
one.
I have tried to change the permissons of the sdcard but with no positive 
results.

Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 13:20:31 UTC+2 schreef Harry van der Wolf:
>
> No, that's not possible.
> I don't see the necessity either. You have 500MB to maybe 10GB on your 
> SD-card maps. And another 50~150Kb on other data. Why separate that?
>
> Op vr 12 jul. 2019 om 11:43 schreef Peer >:
>
>> Is it possible to store only the maps on SD card and the other files 
>> (like: tracks) in internal storage???
>>
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Re: Keeping destination in OsmAnd

['Xavier' via Osmand]

On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 10:38:02PM -0700, OA wrote:

This story has continuation... After setting the route I exited OsmAnd by
pressing "Back" button on my phone. Then, when I was sitting in the car and
ready to start my trip, I opened OsmAnd and it asked me to set my
destination...


What instead happens if you substitute the "show home screen" button 
for the "back" button above?


Many non-browser apps interpret the "back" button as an "undo" or 
"cancel" command.  Maybe OsmAnd is also doing the same.


For myself, I've prepared routes in OsmAnd ahead of time, and when I've 
used the "show home screen" button (or the "show running apps" button 
and then picking another running app) I've never experienced the 
prepared route disappearing in OsmAnd.



I thought, that I was already prepared my route. No, not at
all. And I had to repeat all the steps (see my post above) again.


There is no "post above" for those of us reading this as a mailing 
list.  Each post is a separate email with no view of any prior emails.



But this time, OsmAnd ALWAYS set destination to my first intermediate
waypoint, resetting my actual destination (Home).


This is the part where you are performing a very unique method of 
routing.


When I am home, and want to navigate to "location X" using OsmAnd, I do 
not think of "home" as my "destination".  My "destination" at that time 
is "location X".  So I put "location X" into OsmAnd as destination, it 
finds a route, and it takes me there.


Then, once I am done at "location X", if where I want to go is now 
"home", only then do I consider "home" as my "destination".


But never once have I ever considered "home" as a "destination" when I 
am presently at home and wishing to route to one or more other locations.  
My "destination" is always a different location from where I am 
presently positioned, even if, ultimately, in the end, I perform a 
giant loop and do, in fact, end up back at home once all the other 
destinations are complete.


Sitting in my car, I tried it again and again.  Perhaps after 20th 
attempt I gave up, ending without any route...  I drove my car without 
OsmAnd instructions :(


But, could you not have simply routed to each end point as a 
"destination", then at the last end point, asked OsmAnd to route you 
home from that location?


So, the lesson from this experience: 1.  OsmAnd can't keep its old 
route, created just a moment ago


I suspect this is due to the "back" button, as it has not been my 
experience when using the "show home screen" button.


2.  OsmAnd is unreliable as a navigation tool.  It may reset my actual 
destination (in most cases it's Home) to an intermediate waypoint 
every time I try to add it.


This is very likely because you are performing a very unique type of 
routing.  I can certianly see the developers considering this 
situation:


1) GPS position is at "home" location
2) User requests to be routed to "home" as the destination

And creating the code to simply decide "you are presently positioned 
exactly where it is you want to go, so there is nothing for us to do".


Maybe try inputting the final 'stop' just prior to returning home as 
your initial destination, then adding additional waypoints if you are 
setting up a route through several stops, then inserting 'home' as an 
absolute final destination last.  That way at least OsmAnd always has 
at least one location that is away from your present location ('home') 
so it will not think the route is over before it has begun.


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Re: Turning off screen automatically

[M U]

W dniu 2019-07-12 o 13:30, Ken pisze:
> Just received official 3.4.2 update today. Now have screen on/off option back 
> again.
>
Is it really an option? Are you able to set it on or off?

In my walking profile I see blue title "Turn screen on" and black
description "Turn on device screen...". No way to enable or disable turn
behaviour.

Thanks.

MU

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Re: Turning off screen automatically

[Ken]

Just received official 3.4.2 update today. Now have screen on/off option back 
again.

Best news in a long time !

Thanks dev guys !!

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Re: brouter

['mire2' via Osmand]

Salut ACE major!

I had the same question and the answer is "yes".  :-)
Take a look and maybe this helps you: 

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/osmand/neTFFbOCO3Y/Bg6FkO09DwAJ

Greetings
mire2

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Re: store only maps on sd card

[Harry van der Wolf]

No, that's not possible.
I don't see the necessity either. You have 500MB to maybe 10GB on your
SD-card maps. And another 50~150Kb on other data. Why separate that?

Op vr 12 jul. 2019 om 11:43 schreef Peer :

> Is it possible to store only the maps on SD card and the other files
> (like: tracks) in internal storage???
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Re: Keeping destination in OsmAnd

[Harry van der Wolf]

Op do 11 jul. 2019 om 22:33 schreef OA :

>
> Developers, I'm begging you, please return back to old fashioned design,
> when I can set my destination once and for all my trips. As I mentioned
> earlier, I always start my trip from home and and it at my home (don't you
> do the same?). There is no need to reset my destination all the times I
> start OsmAnd...
>
>
>
About 3-5 years ago there has been  a survey whether users wanted OsmAnd to
remember the destination or not, when exciting/restarting.
By far (and I really mean: by far) the survey response was that OsmAnd
should NOT remember the last destination.

Now the other topic you mention is when planning a route and enter a
destination that it immediately starts calculating the route. That is
annoying when you plan a  "sight-seeing" tour with multiple intermediate
waypoints. This is also what I do during holidays. One of the reasons why I
prepare my routes on my "big screen, full size keyboard" laptop (in
comparison with my 5.2" phone) in routeconverter and download the waypoint
gpx or routepoint gpx to my phone (via Google drive in my case where I also
store my planned routes).

However, in my normal (!) cases I simply have to go somewhere where I have
not been before (or not too often), so I only enter a destination, and then
it is very convenient that it immediately starts the calculation.

Your approach actually asks for another  "preparation". You should first
make your first route point your destination, and then add your home
address again as subsequent destination (whatever that is in your
language). Then continue with the intermediate points.

Bart Eisenberg makes excellent OsmAnd videos on Youtube . He focuses on
hiking, but the preparation is actually the same. Please watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o84C0z3Kydc (and the others for better
understanding of OsmAnd).

Harry

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Re: Keeping destination in OsmAnd

[Martin Trautmann]

My observation was that the destination is gone when I stop/pause the
routing - because I prepared it earlier, but did not want the lady talk
to me all the time with "gps signal lost", while I did not start yet.

Personally, I'm glad to see a search history - and I am disappointed
that the actual search is lost from the history. I did not understand
yet what is kept as history, but the results appear incomplete.

- Martin

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[ACE major]

hi is there a way to use brouter in osmand 3.4

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store only maps on sd card

[Peer]

Is it possible to store only the maps on SD card and the other files (like: 
tracks) in internal storage???

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