Jaqqueline,
thanks for posting your birth story. It's lovely and shows such a lot of learning and
gained strength of your own confictions since you first queried the advice you were
getting. You're an inspiration to all women wondering ( doubting) the path they are on
and altering course.
My heart goes out to everyone who is sharing or has had soul and body hurting births.
It is not ok. And must change. I have had the honour of supporting a number of women
who have previously been traumatised by caesareans (or other things) and it is
something so special to be part of their
Woo Weee! I am so happy for you Jackie! What a
brave and wonderful woman!!! Isn't it amazing what a woman's body can do
when allowed?. I know you are sooo tired and busy, but if you live North of the
River,(or not too far south) we have an after birth get together on the
first Thursday
Pig semen? Oh Lordy... the things you learn here.
Robin
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From:
Rhonda
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 5:39
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting
fact
I suggest tjhat you allow
I knew someone in Melbourne who called them
Obstinatricians! Well, more than one.
aviva
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From: Jenny
Balnaves
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC
Thank you for your reply Lynne. Unfortunately, the
Brilliant! Congratulations! Mazal Tov! Oh Happy Day! and
Well Done!
Aviva
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From: Jaqueline
Marwick
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 12:53 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Susanna Joy arrived :)
BIG BUNDLE OF
JOY
:))
so, did he become a fisherman, my daughter Rosie wants to
know! (gorgeous story)
aviva
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From: Julie Garratt
To: ozmid
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 5:22 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Born in the sea.
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From:
Julie Garratt
Hi Liz, this is a bit
belated I know, but for my mid. course, we have to complete learning objectives
(lots) and different ones for each semester, e.g. "undertake intrapartum
assessment", "assess newborn at birth", "observe, assist and conduct appropriate
midwifery care during the three
CONGRATULATIONS
JACKIE
Joy to you, your babies and
partner. It is not easy to defy the medical system. Power to you
sister!
Love,
Liz.
Thank you, Rhonda, I'll pass this on. Pig semen? I'll bet if women knew
what's in it, they'd be jumping up and down about it instead of using it! (Now
there's an idea for induction...sorry, sometimes humour's a good thing).
Aviva
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From: Rhonda
To: [EMAIL
Marilyn, Are you also a nurse? Because
when I told the Vic Nurses Board that I only wanted to register as a midwife,
they told me that it was not possible.
I asked about the new midwives - those graduates
without nursing- I was told they'd think of that then.
Liz Mc
- Original Message
Kathleen,
You're right. That is one problem with midwives and
midwifery - the lack of cohesion.
Liz Mc
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From:
Kathleen Fahy
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 4:53
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery]
"training"
Dear
What if you were Jewish or Muslim? Or anyone else that doesn't like the whole idea generally? How did you find out it was made from Pig semen anyway? Just curious, Julie.- Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2002 9:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:
Well done to Jacqui!!
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From: Margie Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Susanna Joy arrived :)
Jaqqueline,
thanks for posting your birth story. It's lovely and shows such a lot of
I went to visit Leanne in my past life as 'the travelling midwife'
wonderful work going on!
Hi Leanne and glad to 'see'you here! Vicki
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery;acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of leanne wynne
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002
WELL DONE
Cheers, Edwina J
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Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Jaqueline Marwick
Sent: Friday, 8 November 2002
12:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Susanna Joy
arrived :)
BIG BUNDLE OF JOY :))
Hi
Title: Message
Oh Jackie, You wonderful
wonderful woman! Welcome Susanna Joy!
I am crying...tears of joy
for you, and tears of pain for Rhonda, for Jo, for Melissa...for all humanity that has
lost something beautiful... most will feel the ache within but few will be able
to name it...the
Is prostins really made from pig semen or is it synthetic? A muslim woman
asked me this question recently.from Lynda
I think I have a sense of humour similar to Rhonda, and and not forgetting
how good for us all it is to laugh!
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From: Irene Van Der Laan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:51 PM
Subject: Fwd: Fw: FW:
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] introducing birthtalk
Thank you to Aviva, and Liz for your comments and support.
Aviva - I cannot agree more about the effectiveness of talking and writing to deal with trauma. And I am so sorry about what you had to go through to discover this - I will stand silent on
I have forgotten wh told me but in my ranting and raving after my
son's birth where the reason I was treated badly came down to the fact
that I was "difficult" because I refused to let them induce me with
Prostin for my own personal reasons. Someone
Aren't these so true!
Subject: natural highs
Please make sure you forward this back to
me...you'll see why at the
end! Think about them one at a time BEFORE going on to
the next
one.IT DOES MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD specially the
How sad for this woman - that red tape and politics are going to scar
her for life in so many ways.
This is the sad reality of our free and lucky country.
Now speachless..
Rhonda
---Original Message---
From:
A pig's orgasm
lasts 30 minutes. (In my next life, I want to be a
pig.)Well, look at that -
Now we know why their semen is so potent!
I am sure if we can get our men to perform betterthen we
canmake the use of prostin obsolete! LOL
Here Here!
And - spread the word of your achievement to inspire others to
question and do what is right for them and not just doing what the Ob's
decide they want to do. Well Done!
Rhonda
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From:
I have been thionking a lot about the complain process that I wne
through - it took 2 1/2 yrs to get a very vague reply of - Well because
the midwife who could support your claims may not be in the country any
more - we don't know where she is (REALLY!)
From what i know it is a synthetic lubricant type base with the
'hormone' prostoglandin derived from concentrated pig semen.
Even the DR who i spoke to at theMedical Practitioners Board
seemed a bit disgusted with that when I told him and he agreed that he
Title: Message
A woman I spoke to yesterday spoke of her
starstruck obstetrician being overly excited about the celeb status of her
husband...her labour was rocking along beautifully but it didnt look like
hubby would make it for the birth...the ob arranged for her to have an epidural
which
Title: Message
Something I like to do for Ceasarean born babies...and breech born
too...is spend time massaging the babe from crown down (for some reason, I went
to write 'song-lines'here...interesting...) the body to the toes, making sure
every part of the body is stimulated...simulating
Congratulations Marilyn,
We are all very proud (and a little jealous) of your wonderful achievement.
Megan, and the rest of the mareeba mob.
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From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:12 AM
I was just watching Roy and H.G. interviewing a pregnant kirsty
Marshall who is apparently running for the seat of ?Forrest Hill as a labor
party rep. I wonder if any one "down south" was able to find a means of
contacting her, with the aim of providing her with info re NMAP etc.
Megan
Title: Message
Dear
Melissa... Please write to the health minister Wendy Edmond...she really needs
to hear your stories...and to know that groups such as yours exist...love to
you!! Vicki
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Lovely!!
Scary thing is, somewhere there it says I am a nurse!! Yeah, sure!!
Vicki
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery;acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Marilyn
Kleidon
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Title: Message
Dear all... anyone
recall the research many years ago that had half the subjects ask the question
"is it really necessary" when faced with the prospect of intervention.?
Astounding changes to the outcome of birth. A reference would be
great!
Vicki
I don't know if there is a synthetic prostin out there, but we were first told about prostin gel being made from pig semen in my doula workshop - absolutely grossed out! The women I have been able to tell about this have been much more insistent about refusing induction (at least in this method)
Hi Jackie
I am so glad that you persisted, and that
everything went so well.Congrats and enjoy the babymoon
Hettie GroveRN.RM.RCN.RNA.RNT.ICCE. South
Africa027-83-2260709Fax 27-11-7403507[EMAIL PROTECTED]
BIG BUNDLE OF
JOY :))
Hi
everyone!
NO Liz I am not a nurse, I am direct entry fom the
USA, I am home birth trained/educated except for the 4 weeks I spent at St.
George Delivery Suite and the 3 weeks at Mareeba under supervision. Which
actually is why I said non-nurse because on my registration paper, beside the
nurse
Never heard it described as this but I know it happens often, Trouble is
in the hospital setting it usually gets the synt infusion hurry up at
the first pause
Andrea Q
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Well, good on you Marilyn.There will be
more following you.(I canny wait!!) I think RM is right.
You are registered as a midwife. I
worked with a lady in Abu Dhabi - direct entry midwife who was going to NSW and
got registration there.
love,
Liz
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From:
Title: Message
Good tip Vicki - I'll spread the word and
incorporate it into my practice.
love,
Liz Mc
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From:
Vicki Chan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 12:37
AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] dimensions -
violent birth
Andrea, Yes, I'm interested thanks.
c/o 75 Mitchell St.,
Brunswick,
Melbourne. 3056
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From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 6:29 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: training
Hi Liz,
If you want to investigate a
After following the
discussions about interventions, prostin and in some cases ob's putting the fear
of danger into mother's minds, I wanted to share Julia's birth with you
all. After she was born, it was then that I decided to become a midwife. I
wanted to become a voice in the birthing
Marilyn
Well done
I am sorry it could not happen here in Sydney
Denise
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From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:12 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] registration
It seems I have a few of options
Dear mary
Any one i know?
Denise
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From:
Mary
Murphy
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:24
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Susanna Joy
arrived :)
Woo Weee! I am so happy for you Jackie! What
a brave and
I wonder how long it'll take me to come to terms
with the pig semen idea. I hope forever. Imagine how they collect the stuff.
'Scuse me. Interesting Jewish aside...pigs are not Kosher. Great way of
refusing! Sorry, it's not Kosher, can't go near it; think I'd better wait till
Bub is ready.
Hi Vicki,
Yes, I'm still here battling the archaic controlling attitudes of
obstetricians and hospital beaurocracy. Because of the insurance debacle the
local independent midwives can no longer practice so they are refering women
to me as I am the only person able to provide free woman-centred
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] introducing "birthtalk"
Thank you, Melissa.I am so in awe of the
entire pregnancy/birthing process not only because it is indeed awe-inspiring,
but because of all my experiences in Vietnam. My three months there were hell,
but the understanding and compassion I've
I wonder how many midwives have also felt violated and traumatised (but not
been able to find expression) for having to partake in care of women in
hospital that has trauma as part of it - as a witness? I'm reflecting on
some really bad vibes I can remember and the (?) shame/guilt/shock (?) at
Hi,
He is a GP in Sydney.
Julie'',
From: Aviva Sheb'a [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Born in the sea.
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:36:28 +1030
so, did he become a fisherman, my daughter Rosie wants to
Hi,
He is a GP in Sydney.
Julie'',
From: Aviva Sheb'a [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Born in the sea.
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:36:28 +1030
so, did he become a fisherman, my daughter Rosie wants to
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC of twins
Dear List,
Can
anyone tell me when a good time to start brushing a baby's teeth is?
She's
14 months and has 9 beautiful teeth. She eats no sugary foods (unless
they're
naturally occurring, such as in fruit) and has her own toothbrush
and
Thanks for sharing your story Isis. What can I say
about your care and that silly OB. Hope all is going well. Leigh
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From:
Isis and
Andrew Caple
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:57
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Julia's
Different states have different rules. If one wants to register as a
midwife only in W.a., prior registration in another state which does allow it is
necessary. Direct entry Midwives who need to work in W.A. have to be
registered in the other state before they can get registration here via
Leanne : how did you get this up and running?? It sounds amazing and needs
to be duplicated (multiplicated). marilyn
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From: leanne wynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception -
PennyB
Yes, yes, yes, I think all of us. In the past, I've come home hundreds of
times shocked to the core, angry, distressed, and totally traumatized. And
yup, feeling completely and utterly powerless.
THAT'S WHY IT HAS TO CHANGE!!!
But no, there is some slight improvementand it'll get
Hi Marilyn,
The secret to our success is the fact that my manager didn't put any
restrictions on my practice. He merely said: You're the midwife. Go and do
what you gotta do. I work with an Aborigianl Health worker who is part of
the local community so we had the contacts within the Aboriginal
As a mother and mothercraft nurse I tend to at this age recommend the
bite and play method.
A good routine is more appropriate than "good brushing" so if she
brushes/plays/bites every night before bed and can see you do it too then
god oral hygiene
Hi Isis,
I am also in Geelong - would you like to contact me off list.
Wonder if we had the same ob.
Regards
Rhonda.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, November
08, 2002 12:01:18
Title: Message
Yesterday Iheard about a woman who birthed recently. Shearrived
at hospitalalready 5cm dilated afterjust having a'show' at
home. She was pressured into having an ARMto 'get things moving along'
(?!?!). This was her first baby and he was bornwith the aid of forceps
(after a
Title: Message
Vicki,
Last year Helen Ireland was alsolooking for
this article. We didn't have much luck then but she may have found it since so
I'm sending her a copy of this email too.
Andrea
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From:
Vicki Chan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday,
Title: Message
Hi Vicki,
I heard Andrea in 1994 guide the group in "Why are
you doing this and is really necessary" and the example she gave was x-raying a
child's possibly broken toe.
Why would you x-ray a toe, to find out if it was
broken, then what would you do? Not much but we would
Marilyn,
What can I say ...
I am thinking and reflecting more on this since my last post - only a couple
of hours ago - there are so many 'horror' stories inside me (amongst a lot
of nice ones too) that they must have some effect on my psyche. During the
midwives' action research group (MARG)
Title: Message
Hi Andrea,
Post it if you get it please.
love Liz Mc
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From:
Andrea Bilcliff
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Helen Ireland
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 12:34
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Is it really
necessary?
Vicki,
Yes, I'm interested to pass this on to a midwife in Kununurra at the
Aboriginal medical service there.
Liz
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From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your
I just finished reading a book called Hospital by the River, which is about an Australian obstetrician who went to work in Africa in (I think) the 1950s.The book is primarily centred on how they gave back dignity and physical repairto women who had suffered from fistulas and other similarly
Hi Jacqueline,
Congratulations on the birth of Susanna Joy. You knew you could do it and
you have!!! May you continue to find peace and joy with your family and
have a lovely time with this precious babe. Don't worry about finding a
sleep routine - I suspect your baby has ideas of her own
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