I wonder how often Vrouw Schrader
monitored the fetal heart rate??
Denise
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From: Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear all,
my experience
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Larry Megan wrote:
There were just 14 maternal deaths for which she had direct
responsibility (4.6 in one thousand births).
I
Dear all,
my experience is that the only midwifery model in SA is that belonging to
our independant midwives. We have some excellent midwives working within the
medical model and they are by no doubt being the best midwife they can be,
but at the end of the day it is still the hospital and the
Larry Megan wrote:
There were just 14 maternal deaths for which she had direct
responsibility (4.6 in one thousand births).
I found that a large number of deaths, until I re-read the dates... Now I
think, ONLY 4.6 in 1000 births is admirable, considering infection, etc back
then.
Jo
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Heard an anecdote the other day about a woman who had 3 vaginal births after a CS and they it was found out the CS was Classical.
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Marilynn
What is your email again??New computer program
yet again
Denise
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From:
Marilyn
Kleidon
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Diedre:
Were
Heard an anecdote the other day about a woman who had 3 vaginal births
after a CS and they it was found out the CS was Classical.
JudyThanks Judy!
Sonia W.
Andrea wrote: In constrast, the CMWA is working with a select group
of women, who are very unlikely to have the social risks that the Albany
team work with (homeless, poor, drug users, teenagers, non-English
speaking etc). I agree that we do not have the high levels of social risk
that the
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of midwifery care
Heard an anecdote the other day about a woman who had 3 vaginal births
after a CS and they it was found out the CS was Classical.
Andrea, I am a little confused, you seem to have switched from talking about a
homebirth service run from RHW to one run from St.George, or am I getting my wires
crossed?
cheers
Jo
At 8:41 +1100 1/12/03, Andrea Robertson wrote:
Hello everyone,
It is very good to see such a useful debate on
Dear Andrea
I concur with yoiur statement
The fact
that home birth rates are rising steadily in Britain comes down to the
commitment fo the system to home birth as an option andn its availability
as a free service to every woman wo wants it.
It is not the case here in Australia and so questions
Hi Jo,
Sorry if I confused you Both St George and the RHW Randwick are in the
same Area Health Service. Both are considering setting up a home birth
service. As there will no doubt be some geographical limits placed on the
extent of the service, it will be wonderful if both can get their
Hi Mary,
especially those who book into a Birth Centre because they want to
avoid a medicalised birth and then discover along the way that they could
actually give birth at home quite safely. What happens is that along the
way they discover some restrictive protocol that excludes them from
Denise: It is
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marilyn
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Marilynn
What is your email again??New computer
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Hi Mary,
especially those who book into a Birth Centre because they want to
avoid a medicalised birth and then discover along the way that they could
actually give birth at home quite safely. What happens is that along the
way
Andrea,
It may interest you and others that we have only one birth centre in South
Australia that 'allows' women to have a VBAC, and it is NOT attached to one
of our large tertiary hospitals. Waterbirth is also verbally denied at most
if not all birth centres, women and midwives need to
Dierdre B
wrote:
I was one of those women who went on to birth
vaginally after 2 previous c/s. I was told, absolutely not, I would
not be able to have a vaginal birth
Dierdre,
Were you
told this because of a vertical/classic or inverted T
Thank you!
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Hello Jo and Justine,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us - can I suggest that you
, healthy women (all under the caveat of care
with a known midwife).
marilyn
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I have to agree Deirdre. One
Hear, hear!
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Hello Jo and Justine,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us - can I suggest that you
risk, healthy women (all under the caveat of care
with a known midwife).
marilyn
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I have to agree
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Dear Andrea, (Jo and Justine)
To begin I am really concerned as a midwife and as a homebirth mother at the tone of this letter and feel I want to respond to some comments that have been made.
It is really important that these questions
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Hello Jo and Justine,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us - can I suggest that you wait to
see how this service will operate before you worry unnecessarily about
At 18:48 +0800 29/11/03, Sally Westbury wrote:
Dear Andrea, (Jo and Justine)
To begin I am really concerned as a midwife and as a homebirth mother at the tone of
this letter and feel I want to respond to some comments that have been made.
It is really important that these questions are asked
together, it is only right that midwives and women work together to set it
up.
Jo Hunter
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Hello Jo and Justine
Title: RE: [ozmidwifery] New models of midwifery care
Dear All
I encourage all to have their say particuarly
consumers with previous homebirth expereince.
I concur with Sally and would add that I also am
sad we are following a model from overseas when we have a unique Australian
Model
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Hi Denise and others:
I have a couple of questions re the comparison of
the Albany UK program and the WA CMP program: isn't the CMP program targeted to
low risk women who desire to birth out of hospital ie at home or in the
available
Sally I agree thoroughly.
I am very excited to think the NSW government
have come far enough to give this ago. There is no doubt this is a huge
step and I commend the midwives involved for their role in facilitating such a
service, however, I too have grave concerns about this service. I
Bravo Denise,
My sentiments exactly. I too have clients
that refuse a lot of what you have said, I can't imagine they would fit into
this scheme either.
Dierdre B.
I was one of those women who went on to birth
vaginally after 2 previous c/s. I was told, absolutely not, I would not be
able to have a vaginal birth. If I had not had a supportive midwife with
skills that aren't taught in medical or midifery school, skills that come by
attending women who
decisions are based on
cost not best practice/evidence based care.
regards
marilyn
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I was one
out there?
Claire Saxby
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:50:58 +1100
Hi Sue,
I have checked this out - at the RHW in Randwick, there are 8 midwives
While I think that it is TERRIFIC that homebirth will finally be offered as
a choice. I think that the way midwives are compensated for this work is
important to look at. The system in NZ is somewhat dodgy where payment is
concerned. I would like to see funds made directly available to parent so
Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Sue,
I have checked this out - at the RHW in Randwick, there are 8 midwives on
the Birth Centre team
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While I think that it is TERRIFIC that homebirth will finally be offered
as
a choice. I think that the way midwives are compensated for this work
, 2003 5:25 AM
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I have to agree Deirdre. One of the huge advantages of homebirth with an
independent midwife is that the woman has chosen and employed this
particular midwife as her caregiver. The midwife is a guest in the woman's
home
the caveat of care
with a known midwife).
marilyn
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From: jo hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:25 AM
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I have to agree Deirdre. One of the huge advantages of homebirth
Hi Andrea,
I have just read your entries regarding the new style of midwifery care to
be offered in parts of Sydney. Well done to everyone who has participated in
the work of implementing this change.
I do wonder however about the skill levels of the midwives involved,
particularly where
Hi Sue,
I have checked this out - at the RHW in Randwick, there are 8 midwives on
the Birth Centre team with experience of homebirths and it will be these
midwives who are offering the homebirth option. A similar situation is in
place at St George. THere will also be four very experienced home
Dear Andrea
Please send my congratulations to Prof Sally and those supporting the
metamorphosis of of Ryde and Manly to Australia's first midwifery Led
maternity units.
We trust they are as positve an experience for the midwives and women who
use them as those in the UK and NewZealand. I hear
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