Re: formula without consent?

2001-12-08 Thread Kleimar
yes, I think we all need to be aware that the birth plans on the internet all seem to be about 20 yrs out of date. We don't use eye drops anymore in America at least not in Washington or California. And does anyone give perineal shaves anymore? But those items are still on the internet birth

Re: formula without consent?

2001-12-08 Thread Lyle Burgoyne
The website www.childbirth.org has a lot of information on biirthing plans that seems a little more current .It gives samples ,info on how to write one ,opinions of mothers who used them and a lot of other information.Although they are written with an American view they still have a lot of

RE: formula without consent?

2001-12-08 Thread Johnston
Tina as far as I know there is no body that has the power to formally investigate complaints and police hospitals about breaches (not breeches - they're different) of the 10 Steps or WHO Code, or any other voluntary standard. The real power is the collective voice of consumers. A letter to

Re: formula without consent?

2001-12-07 Thread Jackie Mawson
What do others think? Could it? Would it? I actually feel that it probably doesn't in our local hospitals, but you still hear of women feeling threatened into giving formula. If you don;t he'll be dehydrated/it will clear up his jaundice etc. Any thoughts? A bit off topic, , but I

Re: formula without consent?

2001-12-07 Thread Kleimar
This confirms my own experience albiet from a different anle. My mother being a 1930's trained midwife was a strong breast feeding advocate, having breast fed me her only child in 1951, despite considerable social pressure to be more modern. When she returned to work in 1958 I do remember her

RE: formula without consent?

2001-12-07 Thread Johnston
Message- From: Malavisi, Pete [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 6:21 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject:RE: formula without consent? I saw a mother today in my child health capacity and she mentioned that her 2 day old babe had been given boiled water overnight

Re: formula without consent?

2001-12-07 Thread TinaPettigrew
In a message dated 8/12/01 9:23:15 AM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The acceptable reasons for supplementation in the BFHI are quite stringent. (The most acceptable alternative to a mother's own milk is milk from another woman.) Many hospitals have become

Re: formula without consent?

2001-12-07 Thread Jan Robinson
On 8/12/01 10:44 AM, Grant and Louise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh I see this happen regularly, consent is given - but not INFORMED consent. Your baby NEEDS a bottle/comp/some food because s/he's hungry/dry/jaundiced/big/little/sleepy/crying/prem/overdue/urates in the nappy (or you've

Re: formula without consent?

2001-12-07 Thread Jayne
10 years ago my friend and I made birth plans concerning the very most important things to us regarding the births of our babies..hers was totally disregarded and her new born was given sugared boiled water and formula (despite stating that her baby was to receive NOTHING BUT BREAST

RE: formula without consent?

2001-12-07 Thread Grant and Louise
Unfortunately I work in the private OBSTETRIC system, and very rarely see a birth plan. Those we see have NOT been discussed with a caregiver - medical or midwifery- and usually have been copied from an American internet site/book and include things like no eye drops for the baby. sigh we

Re: formula without consent?

2001-12-07 Thread Jackie Mawson
I remember when I handed my birthplan over to a midwife when I was admitted to the hospital and she had a quick look and rolled her eyes!! When I presented an Obstetrician with my birthplan, she flicked through it (pen held at the ready) and crossed out most of it, saying Well, that's not

formula without consent?

2001-12-06 Thread barbara glare chris bright
Hi, Just wanted your thoughts. Last week we held a seminar for health professionals on breastfeeding. About 30 midwives and ABA counsellors attended, which I thought was terrific. One midwife raised the issue that she felt some babies were still being given formula without parental consent in

Re: formula without consent?

2001-12-06 Thread jireland
] To: Ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:49 AM Subject: formula without consent? Hi, Just wanted your thoughts. Last week we held a seminar for health professionals on breastfeeding. About 30 midwives and ABA counsellors attended, which I thought was terrific. One midwife

RE: formula without consent?

2001-12-06 Thread Malavisi, Pete
I saw a mother today in my child health capacity and she mentioned that her 2 day old babe had been given boiled water overnight because it was unsettled, not sure if consent was gained or not, but my understanding is that we shouldn't be giving anything except for the breast unless firstly it is