Funnily enough, we are not allowed to test the partners of Rh neg women to see if they are negative too, thus ruling out the necessityfor giving Anti-D, because apparently we can't trust women to be truthful about the father of their baby!!
Sally
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I
personally believe anti d or rhogram during pregnancy is a bit over the top.
Provided the woman has it following each pregnancy, or if there is a bleed
during the pregnancy, ok. Iso-immunization is now so rare that we "ran
out" of anti d because there were insufficient people with
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going
by that recomendation, a vbac woman with 1:1 care of a midwife would therefore
not be forced to have continuous monitoring and should be allowed in the birth
centre.
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I had this experience! I am Rh neg and so is my hubby. I was told I would
still need to have anti-D during pregnancy. Although the doctor never
stated that my husband may not have been the father of my child, that's
what was implied. I refused and thankfully was saved from any further
I agree with you,Brenda, my point is that we aren't allowed to test the partners even if they want it.
Sally
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From: brendamanning
Date: 07/26/05 18:19:26
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rh anti-D
Sally,
If women we see at
Here is Sara's web site
http://www.withwoman.co.uk/
look for the With Woman articles and there you will
find Evidence based
information about Anti D
Denise Hynd
"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the
sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how
Thank you
Denise Hynd
"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the
sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone,
our bodies will be handled."
Linda Hes
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From:
Michelle Windsor
To:
The nottesting partners thing
is probably all to do with litigation, blah, blah
blah...
Isn't everything ?
Madness !
Brenda
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From:
sally
williams
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:21
PM
Hi Brenda, I did not intend to offend you.
I picked that part of the sentence, because so many women do not know it is a
blood product. I too have had JW clients and no isoimmunization. That
is all part of the paradox that Sara speaks of in her writings. Even if women
DO object to blood
None taken
Brenda
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From:
Mary
Murphy
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:29
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE:RH - Anti
D
Hi Brenda, I did not
intend to offend you. I picked that part of the
What I find really interesting is that I can
see lots of obstetric guidelines but no midwifery guidelines.
Sally
Hi All.
I don't want this to start a war or anything, but I would just like to
hear people's opinions (and why) on vaccinating babies. This is the
week for our first vaccinations (I declined Birth HepB) as William is 2
months old tomorrow. We do want to get him vaccinated, it's just a
Absolutely
Alesa
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From:
brendamanning
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:14
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rh
anti-D
The nottesting partners
thing is probably all to do with litigation, blah, blah
Thanks for posting info on this site. I didn't know of its existence. I know
about all the techniques, but it is a great site to tell the women about so
they can see for themselves. I will recommend it to my clients. MM
The Spinning Babes website has more information. J
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This mailing list is
Hi Jo
I talk quite extensively with my pregnant couples about vaccination because
the Education classes only just touch on the subject. I give them this
information and then they make their own decisions.
1. Vitamin K orally to save the trauma immediately after birth and let them
also know that
Hi Jo,
Vaccinating your child is one of the most difficult decisions a parent can
make.
I can assure you that I am sure that those professionals who make the
decisions about what is safe to give and when have would not make
recommendations with any intent to harm our future nation. It is their
I guess we are talking about 2 different scenarios. Jo has a 2 mth old baby,
Pam's little one was 4 yrs old. What are the vaccination schedules in other
countries? Does anyone know why we start at 3 days for Hep B then 8 weeks
for the routine ones? Does it have to do with the ideal timing or the
Does anyone know why we start at 3 days for Hep B then 8 weeks
for the routine ones? Does it have to do with the ideal timing or the
catchment time of the parents being in contact with the hospital clinic
etc? MM
My gut says catchment. ANd maybe getting parents into the vaccination
mindset?
You might think that skipping it is OK but you actually get a letter stating
that you have not had your child vaccinated against HepB, so Big Brothers
watches.
Diane
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From: Kate /or Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, July 27,
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Is
this linked to the lack of midwifery research -due to lack of midwifery research
funding?
Jo
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WestburySent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:51 PMTo:
Hi Jo,
Vaccination is such a personal and difficult issue and no one can make the
decision for you. It is one of the many decisions you will have to make over
the years on behalf of your child and empowering yourself with information
is the best start.
I'd like to share with you my personal
Hi Jo,
I think it is difficult to generalise when you talk about GP`s being
motivated by money when they vaccinate against children I believe it spreads
a feeling of mistrust in the medical profession. They did not attend medical
school and go through years of training to endanger their patients
Hi Pam,
I'm not questioning a Dr's ethics - simply stating fact. What I am
questioning is the ethics of drug companies and the Govt.
Jo
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Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 10:34 AM
To:
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From: Walters,
Leanne
To: brendamanning
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:51 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] B/feeding implants?
Brenda, I have not heard of any specific risk of encapsulation associated
with implants (I think what they are
Hi Jo,
Maybe a better idea would be for the drug companies to work for free and
then we could pay through our taxes for all the research and maybe we
shouldn`t elect corupt officials who are intent on doing us harm in the name
of profit!!
Pam
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From: jo [EMAIL
HI Joas a parent...i believe the decision of vaccination is a very
emotional and difficult one. I have two children...5 and 3 years old. I
chose not to vaccinate them for many reasons. I did have intentions of
giving tetanus vacc. at 12 monthsbut my son is now 5 and have not done
Kate,
I suspect it's a combination of both a captive audience (in hosp) setting
a habit of reg vax. Plus it also reinforces the image that the hospitals
support vax programmes.
I query the timing myself unless the infant is going into a high risk
situation.
The attempt to not allow any 'at
At the risk of sounding stupid, I remember a couple who were both Rh-ve and
yet their baby was Rh+ve.
Now was this a case of 'Father unknown' or a mistake, or is it possible for
this to happen?
Both partners seemed quite sure that the parentage could not be is question
by the way!
I'm also
Tanya wrote:-
I think it is a
good thing that you are considering all your options. Most women just go
along with it blindfolded, without knowing all the discussions about
it.
How true - about this and so many other childbirth
choices!
Sue
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of
Both parents must have had one gene for
eachRh typing andpassed on their recessive gene so that bub got two
copies of positive and therefore was positive
Regards Fiona Rumble
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From:
Susan
Cudlipp
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent:
Susan,
At present it comes from the USA, with all the attendant risks of donors who
are paid to donate.
LOL at you ref to the disruption in running the A/N clinic, that's exactly
how I feel !! As for the storing it in the clinic, God knows what we'd do
with it eh? To quote a Professor of
Perhaps possible with a recessive gene ?
Autosomal dominant or not etc..
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From: Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rh anti-D
At the risk of sounding
Hi Jo,
My experience is that we vaccinated our first son,wanted to question it but
we weren't at that place in ourselves, after his 12mth MMR, he was a very
sick boy and the hairs on the back of my neck stood up. Our GP at the time
was happy to say it was the vaccine, just give him 4 hourly
There is no possibility 2 RH- parents can have an RH+ baby. The positive
gene is dominant, therefore:
If a person has the genes + +, the Rh factor in the blood will be positive.
If a person has the genes + -, the Rh factor will be positive.
If a person has the genes - -, the Rh factor will be
"And why do Dr's get paid to vaccinate us? If it is so
critical to our healthand well-being why do the government have an incentive
payment to Dr's pervaccination?"
There is absolutely no point in vaccinating anyone unless broad coverage
of (I think) 90% of the population is covered. The
Hi Fiona,
"Doctors
are trained as health professionals and as such should of course get paid for
doing their job"
Of course they should be paid, but I am talking about an
extra payment. A payment given as a reward for every time they vaccinate
someone. If they believe in it then they
For your interest from avn. I wonder if anyone will come to the party???
Jo
January 29, 2001 THE FOLLOWING OFFER is made to U.S.-licensed medical
doctors who routinely administer childhood vaccinations and to
pharmaceutical company CEOs worldwide: Jock Doubleday, president of the
California
Brenda wrote:
LOL at you ref to the disruption in running the A/N clinic, that's exactly
how I feel !! As for the storing it in the clinic, God knows what we'd do
with it eh? To quote a Professor of Obstetrics last year "can't have
midwives running about like loose canons, they must be
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