Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback
Actually this list is one of the only places I have heard this side of the coin, most often I hear women say I thought it was supposed to be natural and easy and just work... I wish someone had told me it might be hard and need some work, that we might BOTH need to learn how to do it. At 3:51 PM +1000 9/8/06, Gail McKenzie wrote: Hi All. The feedback I've gotten so far seems to mirror what I instinctively believe breastfeeding to be. Pamphlets that are distributed at the hospital advocate breastfeeding as a learned response from both mother and baby. Um...May I say.CRAP? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback
Hi, Gail said learned response from both mother and baby. Um...May I say.CRAP? Well, yes and no! There's a fab article by Andrea on the Birth International website about breastfeeding. But, given so many births in Australia are screwed up, babies drugged or injured and mothers injured and frightened and drugged. And without that natural cocktail of euphoric drugs on board. And the fact few of us have ever seen babies being breastfed before we try it with our own, breastfeeding then does become a learned art. Something that is often learnt slowly and painfully. I often sit with mothers (in my paid work I'm a lactation consultant and in my volunteer life I'm a counsellor with the Australian Breastfeeding Assoc counsellor) At the start it's slow, and painful for both mum and baby, but in most cases it works out. Yet, it's great to see them a few weeks later out at an Australian Breastfeeding Association meeting confidently breastfeeding their baby. I guess to sum up, breastfeeding is instinctual, but if you miss that boat, you get another bite at the cherry - you can learn it as well. Barb - Original Message - From: Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback Hi All. The feedback I've gotten so far seems to mirror what I instinctively believe breastfeeding to be. Pamphlets that are distributed at the hospital advocate breastfeeding as a learned response from both mother and baby. Um...May I say.CRAP? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback
Jo, do you work in a hospital in a postnatal ward? I want to know what homebirth midwives know about this From: Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:07:53 +1000 Actually this list is one of the only places I have heard this side of the coin, most often I hear women say I thought it was supposed to be natural and easy and just work... I wish someone had told me it might be hard and need some work, that we might BOTH need to learn how to do it. At 3:51 PM +1000 9/8/06, Gail McKenzie wrote: Hi All. The feedback I've gotten so far seems to mirror what I instinctively believe breastfeeding to be. Pamphlets that are distributed at the hospital advocate breastfeeding as a learned response from both mother and baby. Um...May I say.CRAP? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!!!!!
There was an article in the SMH last week - sorry don't have ref to researchers name at my fingertips -that indicated that midwives and doctors were on par at missing breeches. and that 1/3 of breeches were missed. There was a quote from Adelaide Ob Brian Peat saying this evidence supports all women having an u/s at 36 weeks to check presentation.Then he said midwives were as safe as doctors in determining position. Suzi - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! Get a trial at the same A/N clinic and see. Midwives might be just as bad. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of dianeSent: Wednesday, 9 August 2006 5:25 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! examined in the usual way by a doctor to assess the position of their baby. Well I wonder if this would be replicated with midwives as the palpators!! Di
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback
Agree with others - Plus in hosp: too many cooks/ opinions conflicting and confusing information, very few midwives practice Hands Off Technique (letting the woman touch her own breast to attach), too many dummies / comping / bottles, drugs in labour, no privacy / quiet places, crowded rooms with heaps of visitors and next beds visitors too. little education of physically what is happening / mouth anatomy, no co - sleeping, wrapped in blankets, high section rates and no babies in recovery, Hep B shots, agressive use of phototherapy, lots of weighing...and i'm sure we could go on and on here Suzi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback
I am a consumer who spends a lot of time listening to other women. At 4:52 PM +1000 9/8/06, Gail McKenzie wrote: Jo, do you work in a hospital in a postnatal ward? I want to know what homebirth midwives know about this From: Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:07:53 +1000 Actually this list is one of the only places I have heard this side of the coin, most often I hear women say I thought it was supposed to be natural and easy and just work... I wish someone had told me it might be hard and need some work, that we might BOTH need to learn how to do it. At 3:51 PM +1000 9/8/06, Gail McKenzie wrote: Hi All. The feedback I've gotten so far seems to mirror what I instinctively believe breastfeeding to be. Pamphlets that are distributed at the hospital advocate breastfeeding as a learned response from both mother and baby. Um...May I say.CRAP? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Mike or Lindsey Kennedy
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding
Michelle, can I please post this to another group? There is some talk in misc.kids.breastfeeding on usenet about 'trying' to breastfeed. I won't put your name on it at all, if you like.Thanks :)JoOn 09/08/2006, at 12:58 PM, Michelle Windsor wrote:Hi Gail, I too wondered why breastfeeding seems so difficult and stressful for so many women... especially once I'd worked with indigenous women and saw how easy they seemed to find it. So trying to figure it out, I noticed a few differences. Indigenous women have alot of exposure to breastfeeding as they have extended family groups with large families. They don't speak of 'trying' to breastfeed, it seems they don't even question their own ability that they will be able to do it. In my experience it is rare to see problems, and they are often associated with separation from their baby (ie prems/sick). Other things I noticed is that indigenous women never look at the clock, there is never the comment "I only fed 5 minutes ago... " they totally feed on demand and don't put feeds off until they've eaten lunch, or the visitors have gone or whatever. They aren't ashamed of their breasts or even self-conscious. For the midwife.it's blissful! We encourage women to be instinctive with birthing their baby, maybe we should do the same with breastfeeding? (just thinking out loud) Cheers MichelleGail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all you magnificent home birth warrior women out there, could you please tell me if any of your birthing women have problems with breastfeeding. I'm a middy student working on a ward at the present I'm astounded by how many women have problems with breastfeeding.If your women do not, please enlighten me as to why you think this is. If they do, again, what do you put this down to?--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback
I would agree with the 'crap' judgement you made. Where I work in a small rural midwifery unit, we do a lot of physiological third stages and the women are encouraged to let the baby feed as soon as they show signs, they are skin to skin with mum. Lights low and the rest of the family in awe of the birth. I never tell her how to do it unless it becomes very obvious after a while that she may need hints and tips. So many babies will attach and feed well for that first feed, without being taught! Can't be a learned response. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/08/2006 3:51:16 pm Hi All.The feedback I've gotten so far seems to mirror what I instinctively believe breastfeeding to be. Pamphlets that are distributed at the hospital advocate breastfeeding as a "learned response from both mother and baby". Um...May I say.CRAP?--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. * This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is strictly prohibited. The information contained in this email, including any attachment sent with it, may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone collect on Australia +61 1800 198 175 or by return email. You should also delete this email, and any copies, from your computer system network and destroy any hard copies produced. If not an intended recipient of this email, you must not copy, distribute or take any action(s) that relies on it; any form of disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this email is also prohibited. Although Queensland Health takes all reasonable steps to ensure this email does not contain malicious software, Queensland Health does not accept responsibility for the consequences if any person's computer inadvertently suffers any disruption to services, loss of information, harm or is infected with a virus, other malicious computer programme or code that may occur as a consequence of receiving this email. Unless stated otherwise, this email represents only the views of the sender and not the views of the Queensland Government.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!!!!!
Most (all?) OBs like to deliver breech births via c-section. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sazz EatonSent: Wednesday, 9 August 2006 3:51 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! I'm curious, what are the supposed reasons it is necessary to know whether or not the baby is going to be breech? I thought breech was just another position, but still birth like the rest of it?(Part of me suspects the desire to find out whether a baby is breech is because the medical profession is keen to pathologise yet another element of wimmin's reproductive experiences as "abnormal" and in need of medical attention).My only knowledge about breech does come from Sarah Buckley's book, so I have been coloured by her experience and I don't think she knew her fourth was breech, or that it was seen as a problem?Can OzMid. wimmin enlighten me?Cheers,Sazz
Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!!!!!
The woman has to be pretty strong and fight if she wants a breech birth any place other than a home birth. OB's are all scared and want to do a CS regardless of what type of breech, whether she has had babies before etc etc. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/08/2006 5:51:06 pm I'm curious, what are the supposed reasons it is necessary to know whether or not the baby is going to be breech? I thought breech was just another position, but still birth like the rest of it?(Part of me suspects the desire to find out whether a baby is breech is because the medical profession is keen to pathologise yet another element of wimmin's reproductive experiences as "abnormal" and in need of medical attention).My only knowledge about breech does come from Sarah Buckley's book, so I have been coloured by her experience and I don't think she knew her fourth was breech, or that it was seen as a problem?Can OzMid. wimmin enlighten me?Cheers,Sazzsuzi and brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an article in the SMH last week - sorry don't have ref to researchers name at my fingertips -that indicated that midwives and doctors were on par at missing breeches. and that 1/3 of breeches were missed. There was a quote from Adelaide Ob Brian Peat saying this evidence supports all women having an u/s at 36 weeks to check presentation.Then he said midwives were as safe as doctors in determining position. Suzi - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! Get a trial at the same A/N clinic and see. Midwives might be just as bad. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of dianeSent: Wednesday, 9 August 2006 5:25 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! examined in the usual way by a doctor to assess the position of their baby. Well I wonder if this would be replicated with midwives as the palpators!! DiSazz EatonPhD Student Academic TutorMelbourne Journal of Politics EditorDepartment of Political ScienceUniversity of Melbourne+61 3 8344 9485http://www.sazz.rfk.id.auhttp://www.sazziesblog.blogspot.comhttp://www.linguisticsazziesblog.blogspot.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com * This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is strictly prohibited. The information contained in this email, including any attachment sent with it, may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone collect on Australia +61 1800 198 175 or by return email. You should also delete this email, and any copies, from your computer system network and destroy any hard copies produced. If not an intended recipient of this email, you must not copy, distribute or take any action(s) that relies on it; any form of disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this email is also prohibited. Although Queensland Health takes all reasonable steps to ensure this email does not contain malicious software, Queensland Health does not accept responsibility for the consequences if any person's computer inadvertently suffers any disruption to services, loss of information, harm or is infected with a virus, other malicious computer programme or code that may occur as a consequence of receiving this email. Unless stated otherwise, this email represents only the views of the sender and not the views of the Queensland Government.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!!!!!
Has anyone seen a copy of the latest "No Idea"? Story about a footballer and the scary birth of his baby. No disrespect to his experience and all but... Goes something like, "we wanted a natural birth but a few days before our Doctors suggested a caesarean would be safest and given the baby had had some different lies during the pregnancy" Anyway, the drama was that during the surgery he heard them muttering and was informed the cord was twice around babies neck, no problems though. Talk about fear of childbirth and for them now, clearly the c/shas provenlifesaving, despite no medical indications. And what are the readers of "No Idea" going to take from this? Its a tuff battle out there. Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maternity Ward Mareeba HospitalSent: Wednesday, 9 August 2006 7:31 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! The woman has to be pretty strong and fight if she wants a breech birth any place other than a home birth. OB's are all scared and want to do a CS regardless of what type of breech, whether she has had babies before etc etc. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/08/2006 5:51:06 pm I'm curious, what are the supposed reasons it is necessary to know whether or not the baby is going to be breech? I thought breech was just another position, but still birth like the rest of it?(Part of me suspects the desire to find out whether a baby is breech is because the medical profession is keen to pathologise yet another element of wimmin's reproductive experiences as "abnormal" and in need of medical attention).My only knowledge about breech does come from Sarah Buckley's book, so I have been coloured by her experience and I don't think she knew her fourth was breech, or that it was seen as a problem?Can OzMid. wimmin enlighten me?Cheers,Sazzsuzi and brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an article in the SMH last week - sorry don't have ref to researchers name at my fingertips -that indicated that midwives and doctors were on par at missing breeches. and that 1/3 of breeches were missed. There was a quote from Adelaide Ob Brian Peat saying this evidence supports all women having an u/s at 36 weeks to check presentation.Then he said midwives were as safe as doctors in determining position. Suzi - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! Get a trial at the same A/N clinic and see. Midwives might be just as bad. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of dianeSent: Wednesday, 9 August 2006 5:25 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! examined in the usual way by a doctor to assess the position of their baby. Well I wonder if this would be replicated with midwives as the palpators!! DiSazz EatonPhD Student Academic TutorMelbourne Journal of Politics EditorDepartment of Political ScienceUniversity of Melbourne+61 3 8344 9485http://www.sazz.rfk.id.auhttp://www.sazziesblog.blogspot.comhttp://www.linguisticsazziesblog.blogspot.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com *This email, including any attachments sent with it, isconfidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s).This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it andyou are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error.Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution orreview of this email is strictly prohibited. The informationcontained in this email, including any attachment sent withit, may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if itrelates to health service matters.If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you havereceived this email in error, you are asked to immediatelynotify the sender by telephone collect on Australia+61 1800 198 175 or by return email. You should alsodelete this email, and any copies, from your computersystem network and destroy any hard copies produced.If not an intended recipient of this email, you must not copy,distribute or take any action(s) that relies on it; any form ofdisclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of thisemail is also prohibited.Although Queensland Health takes all reasonable steps toensure this email does not contain malicious software,Queensland Health does not accept
RE: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!!!!!
Unfortunately, Megan, nice, natural births are obviously not deemed dramatic enough for New Idea. Its quite depressing thinking of all the thousands of women out there reading this stuff. Pauline From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Megan Larry Sent: 09 August 2006 18:57 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! Has anyone seen a copy of the latest No Idea? Story about a footballer and the scary birth of his baby. No disrespect to his experience and all but... Goes something like, we wanted a natural birth but a few days before our Doctors suggested a caesarean would be safest and given the baby had had some different lies during the pregnancy Anyway, the drama was that during the surgery he heard them muttering and was informed the cord was twice around babies neck, no problems though. Talk about fear of childbirth and for them now, clearly the c/shas provenlifesaving, despite no medical indications. And what are the readers of No Idea going to take from this? Its a tuff battle out there. Megan From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2006 7:31 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! The woman has to be pretty strong and fight if she wants a breech birth any place other than a home birth. OB's are all scared and want to do a CS regardless of what type of breech, whether she has had babies before etc etc. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/08/2006 5:51:06 pm I'm curious, what are the supposed reasons it is necessary to know whether or not the baby is going to be breech? I thought breech was just another position, but still birth like the rest of it? (Part of me suspects the desire to find out whether a baby is breech is because the medical profession is keen to pathologise yet another element of wimmin's reproductive experiences as abnormal and in need of medical attention). My only knowledge about breech does come from Sarah Buckley's book, so I have been coloured by her experience and I don't think she knew her fourth was breech, or that it was seen as a problem? Can OzMid. wimmin enlighten me? Cheers, Sazz suzi and brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an article in the SMH last week - sorry don't have ref to researchers name at my fingertips -that indicated that midwives and doctors were on par at missing breeches. and that 1/3 of breeches were missed. There was a quote from Adelaide Ob Brian Peat saying this evidence supports all women having an u/s at 36 weeks to check presentation.Then he said midwives were as safe as doctors in determining position. Suzi - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! Get a trial at the same A/N clinic and see. Midwives might be just as bad. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of diane Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2006 5:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! examined in the usual way by a doctor to assess the position of their baby. Well I wonder if this would be replicated with midwives as the palpators!! Di Sazz Eaton PhD Student Academic Tutor Melbourne Journal of Politics Editor Department of Political Science University of Melbourne +61 3 8344 9485 http://www.sazz.rfk.id.au http://www.sazziesblog.blogspot.com http://www.linguisticsazziesblog.blogspot.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com * This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is strictly prohibited. The information contained in this email, including any attachment sent with it, may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone collect on Australia +61 1800 198 175 or by return email. You should also delete this email, and any copies, from your
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback
I totally agree with this as well... However, I work in a hospital as a Midwife, and had a wonderful homebirth experience, no drugs, normal 3rd stage, etc, skin to skin immediately... But my boy just had no idea. My 'equipment didn't help much, either. I ended up hand expressing for 24 hours and syringe feeding, and skin to skin a LOT of the time with constant BF attempts. 2nd 24 hours we used a nipple shield to actually get him on the breast - this allowed him to draw my flat-ish nipple out, and 3rd 24 hours he was on the breast. This is where the damage was done. I was so desperate to have breastfeeding as NORMAL as possible (which it wasn't for the first few days) that I did a laydown feed, thinking gee, this hurts a bit, but it'll be right. Nup. Once the feed was over, there was blood and milk in the bed, and 1/3 of my nipple was missing. I developed a nipple infection and mastitis from this. When, after 5 weeks I realised that the reason my nipple wasn't healing was probably due to thrush (hence the stabbing breast pain, etc)... it took another 4 weeks for it to heal. It was well after 12 weeks before breastfeeding was comfortable. Sometimes it just isn't easy, no matter how good at it I wanted to be. It helps to have a baby who knows what they are doing, and 'good nipples' (which I have now, apart from the lipstick shaped one ;)). We are still breastfeeding now at 14 months, and I am proud to say he never had any formula. That was never an option for us. In hospital though, it is often a logical conclusion to the sore nipples problem. Women express 3 hourly and rest their nipples. But if the baby isn't being breastfed directly, out come the calculators, and if there isn't enough EBM to make up their 'required feed', what other choice is there? (sarcasm). Do or do not - there is no try ;) Jo On 09/08/2006, at 3:04 PM, suzi and brett wrote: Agree with others - Plus in hosp: too many cooks/ opinions conflicting and confusing information, very few midwives practice Hands Off Technique (letting the woman touch her own breast to attach), too many dummies / comping / bottles, drugs in labour, no privacy / quiet places, crowded rooms with heaps of visitors and next beds visitors too. little education of physically what is happening / mouth anatomy, no co - sleeping, wrapped in blankets, high section rates and no babies in recovery, Hep B shots, agressive use of phototherapy, lots of weighing...and i'm sure we could go on and on here Suzi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding
My 5cents worth: I agree with all points already given. I too am saddened and frustrated by the ammount of b/f/ 'problems' we seem to encounter in hosp. In over 27 years of being a midwife and seeing teaching/theories/attitudes change plus b/f/ 3 of my own through varying theories from '2mins a side 4hrly, increasing to max 10 mins a side through to feed on demand. Then the various attachment 'techniques' I have learned/been taught/shown others over the years and yet there is still the same amount of problems encountered, in fact it seems to be getting worse IMO. I feel a major factor is women's lack of belief and faith in her body's ability to provide nourishment for her baby, in the same way that many women these days seem to lack the belief that their bodies can safely birth their baby. If it can't be seen, measured, controlled, or otherwise 'sold' to them, they have trouble believing in it - the power of advertising and media messages is very strong. The comments I hear most often are I would like to try to birth naturally/breast feed IF I CAN Like someone said 'do or do not - there is no try' barring the exceptions where there are real problems of course, and as others have posted - even major problems can be overcome with sufficient determination. ah! but we do live in a time of instant gratification - if it's too hard why bother? sue - Original Message - From: Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:26 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding To all you magnificent home birth warrior women out there, could you please tell me if any of your birthing women have problems with breastfeeding. I'm a middy student working on a ward at the present I'm astounded by how many women have problems with breastfeeding. If your women do not, please enlighten me as to why you think this is. If they do, again, what do you put this down to? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 7/08/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback
Most of the hb women - both fellow consumers as well as clients have very few breastfeeding probs. There are the exceptions but as a general rule, apart from the normal sore nipples and bit of engorgement during the first week or so - the majority have few probs. I did have 1 client who had terrible probs - excruciating pain on attachment and let down - had all the signs of thrush but it turned out to be Raynaulds syndrome in the nipples - here's a link if anyone is interested http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/stories/s1181487.htm It seems that not a lot is known about this syndrome and can easily be diagnosed as thrush. Food for thought! Jo Hunter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2006 11:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback I totally agree with this as well... However, I work in a hospital as a Midwife, and had a wonderful homebirth experience, no drugs, normal 3rd stage, etc, skin to skin immediately... But my boy just had no idea. My 'equipment didn't help much, either. I ended up hand expressing for 24 hours and syringe feeding, and skin to skin a LOT of the time with constant BF attempts. 2nd 24 hours we used a nipple shield to actually get him on the breast - this allowed him to draw my flat-ish nipple out, and 3rd 24 hours he was on the breast. This is where the damage was done. I was so desperate to have breastfeeding as NORMAL as possible (which it wasn't for the first few days) that I did a laydown feed, thinking gee, this hurts a bit, but it'll be right. Nup. Once the feed was over, there was blood and milk in the bed, and 1/3 of my nipple was missing. I developed a nipple infection and mastitis from this. When, after 5 weeks I realised that the reason my nipple wasn't healing was probably due to thrush (hence the stabbing breast pain, etc)... it took another 4 weeks for it to heal. It was well after 12 weeks before breastfeeding was comfortable. Sometimes it just isn't easy, no matter how good at it I wanted to be. It helps to have a baby who knows what they are doing, and 'good nipples' (which I have now, apart from the lipstick shaped one ;)). We are still breastfeeding now at 14 months, and I am proud to say he never had any formula. That was never an option for us. In hospital though, it is often a logical conclusion to the sore nipples problem. Women express 3 hourly and rest their nipples. But if the baby isn't being breastfed directly, out come the calculators, and if there isn't enough EBM to make up their 'required feed', what other choice is there? (sarcasm). Do or do not - there is no try ;) Jo On 09/08/2006, at 3:04 PM, suzi and brett wrote: Agree with others - Plus in hosp: too many cooks/ opinions conflicting and confusing information, very few midwives practice Hands Off Technique (letting the woman touch her own breast to attach), too many dummies / comping / bottles, drugs in labour, no privacy / quiet places, crowded rooms with heaps of visitors and next beds visitors too. little education of physically what is happening / mouth anatomy, no co - sleeping, wrapped in blankets, high section rates and no babies in recovery, Hep B shots, agressive use of phototherapy, lots of weighing...and i'm sure we could go on and on here Suzi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback
Congratulations Jo, it has been a long haul. Love M Sometimes it just isn't easy, no matter how good at it I wanted to be. It helps to have a baby who knows what they are doing, and 'good nipples' (which I have now, apart from the lipstick shaped one ;)). We are still breastfeeding now at 14 months, and I am proud to say he never had any formula. That was never an option for us. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback
And this is the major difference. As has been said before, we live in a society of instant gratification, we do not encounter breastfeeding as one part of normal female reproductive behaviour, we have forgotten how to trust our body and instead trust 'others' to provide answers. Then when it our turn to birth and nurture we attempt or try in a hospital setting with strangers around us. No wonder that breastfeeding becomes such as challenge for so many. Women who birth at home are different. They trust themselves, they seek out information, they explore many options and they have belief Just my humble opinion on a cold wintry morning:) Alesa Alesa Koziol Clinical Midwifery Educator Melbourne - Original Message - From: jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:39 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback Most of the hb women - both fellow consumers as well as clients have very few breastfeeding probs. There are the exceptions but as a general rule, apart from the normal sore nipples and bit of engorgement during the first week or so - the majority have few probs. I did have 1 client who had terrible probs - excruciating pain on attachment and let down - had all the signs of thrush but it turned out to be Raynaulds syndrome in the nipples - here's a link if anyone is interested http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/stories/s1181487.htm It seems that not a lot is known about this syndrome and can easily be diagnosed as thrush. Food for thought! Jo Hunter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2006 11:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback I totally agree with this as well... However, I work in a hospital as a Midwife, and had a wonderful homebirth experience, no drugs, normal 3rd stage, etc, skin to skin immediately... But my boy just had no idea. My 'equipment didn't help much, either. I ended up hand expressing for 24 hours and syringe feeding, and skin to skin a LOT of the time with constant BF attempts. 2nd 24 hours we used a nipple shield to actually get him on the breast - this allowed him to draw my flat-ish nipple out, and 3rd 24 hours he was on the breast. This is where the damage was done. I was so desperate to have breastfeeding as NORMAL as possible (which it wasn't for the first few days) that I did a laydown feed, thinking gee, this hurts a bit, but it'll be right. Nup. Once the feed was over, there was blood and milk in the bed, and 1/3 of my nipple was missing. I developed a nipple infection and mastitis from this. When, after 5 weeks I realised that the reason my nipple wasn't healing was probably due to thrush (hence the stabbing breast pain, etc)... it took another 4 weeks for it to heal. It was well after 12 weeks before breastfeeding was comfortable. Sometimes it just isn't easy, no matter how good at it I wanted to be. It helps to have a baby who knows what they are doing, and 'good nipples' (which I have now, apart from the lipstick shaped one ;)). We are still breastfeeding now at 14 months, and I am proud to say he never had any formula. That was never an option for us. In hospital though, it is often a logical conclusion to the sore nipples problem. Women express 3 hourly and rest their nipples. But if the baby isn't being breastfed directly, out come the calculators, and if there isn't enough EBM to make up their 'required feed', what other choice is there? (sarcasm). Do or do not - there is no try ;) Jo On 09/08/2006, at 3:04 PM, suzi and brett wrote: Agree with others - Plus in hosp: too many cooks/ opinions conflicting and confusing information, very few midwives practice Hands Off Technique (letting the woman touch her own breast to attach), too many dummies / comping / bottles, drugs in labour, no privacy / quiet places, crowded rooms with heaps of visitors and next beds visitors too. little education of physically what is happening / mouth anatomy, no co - sleeping, wrapped in blankets, high section rates and no babies in recovery, Hep B shots, agressive use of phototherapy, lots of weighing...and i'm sure we could go on and on here Suzi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] griffith
There is definitively something happening in Griffith. I have had two women call me from Griffith in the last two weeks wanting a homebirth. I am willing to go there ( a bit over three hours from Echuca) but was wondering if anyone knows someone living closer who might be interested in being involved. Any suggestions. I was laso wondering what uni is doing mid up that way whether there was any mid students interested. Andrea Quanchi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
