Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas??
Lisa, There are many places in Australia that do waterbirths as I am sure there are in NZ. They would have to talk to the Australian immigration people about a visa long enough to do what they want. They will obviously have to foot the bill for all expenses as medicare is not available to them. It can get very expensive, even in a public hospital. If she is low risk it might be better to just book at a hospital for backup and birth with an independant midwife at their temporary home. I have not been put in this position so this is only my guesswork. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/01/06 11:02am Hello to all , I received this email this morning and have no idea if what this woman wants is at all possible?? Has anyone got any experience of anything similar. i thinkits grest that she is actively persuing a birth experience that she wants and would love to give her some info. Many Thanks Lisa xxx Hello there.I would like to find out,is there such waterbirth laws in New Zealand also or only in SA? Is there any midwives services in New Zealand also? I'm actually a Malaysian,but i really want to have my child in Australia or New Zealand and not in Malaysia because my husband and i are very interested and really want to have an aqua baby due to all the benefits that waterbirth has and this service is not available here in Malaysia. I would really like to know how can i deliver our baby over there and how is the government's policy to go there and have a baby? Is it possible because we really want a waterbirth.Please do reply soon. Thank you very much for your cooperation.Regards,Jashpreet Kaur * This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is strictly prohibited. The information contained in this email, including any attachment sent with it, may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone collect on Australia +61 1800 198 175 or by return email. You should also delete this email, and any copies, from your computer system network and destroy any hard copies produced. If not an intended recipient of this email, you must not copy, distribute or take any action(s) that relies on it; any form of disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this email is also prohibited. Although Queensland Health takes all reasonable steps to ensure this email does not contain malicious software, Queensland Health does not accept responsibility for the consequences if any person's computer inadvertently suffers any disruption to services, loss of information, harm or is infected with a virus, other malicious computer programme or code that may occur as a consequence of receiving this email. Unless stated otherwise, this email represents only the views of the sender and not the views of the Queensland Government.
[ozmidwifery] Midwifery Today magazines
Erika, They have a website with all sorts of wonderful stuff. You can subscribe and probably be able to access past articles that weresubscriber only. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/09/2006 4:48:16 pm Dear all,I am interested in studying midwifery in the next couple of years. In the meantime I am doing self directed study inbetween attending my children and family reponsibilities. I would like to buy back issues of the US magazine publication 'Midwifery Today', and wondered if anyone has some that they would like to sell.You can contact me at my email address above.I am enjoying the ozmid. network and hope to hear from you.Blessings,Erika HobbaErika HobbaLindsay RdMt. Glorious 4520Ph. 07 3289 0231--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. * This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is strictly prohibited. The information contained in this email, including any attachment sent with it, may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone collect on Australia +61 1800 198 175 or by return email. You should also delete this email, and any copies, from your computer system network and destroy any hard copies produced. If not an intended recipient of this email, you must not copy, distribute or take any action(s) that relies on it; any form of disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this email is also prohibited. Although Queensland Health takes all reasonable steps to ensure this email does not contain malicious software, Queensland Health does not accept responsibility for the consequences if any person's computer inadvertently suffers any disruption to services, loss of information, harm or is infected with a virus, other malicious computer programme or code that may occur as a consequence of receiving this email. Unless stated otherwise, this email represents only the views of the sender and not the views of the Queensland Government.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations
You can also empower them to say "NO, You are not digitally penetrating me just for your own satisfaction or I will yell abuse" or word to that effect. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 31/08/2006 2:14:47 pm Hi everyone,I really need some constructive advice here...if we can't garner enough evidence, (we are doing a lit search as well) women at Casey Hospital will be subjected to unnecessary VEs which midwives will be obliged to perform to remain inside Southern Health Clinical Guidelines.ThanksSally Renee Adair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Count me in also please. I can be emailed at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Much thanks, Renee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of nunyara Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2006 12:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations Me as well, please!! I am a Naturopath specialising in Fertility care and Doula in training so if you could send the picture to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it would be much appreciated. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lisa chalmers Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2006 11:02 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations Me please!! Am in the middle of training doulas and was trying to explain to them what it looks like.. Thankyou!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Jo Watson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations Sure. Just don't look at my butt ;) There are no attachments allowed on this mailing list, am I right? I guess I can just email it to those who ask to see it. :) Jo On 31/08/2006, at 7:07 AM, meg wrote: Can we see it? Megan - Original Message - From: "Jo Watson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinationsTwo words: PURPLE LINE I have a great photo of mine (thanks for pointing it out, Mary!) :) Jo On 30/08/2006, at 9:31 PM, Sally @ home wrote: Just to add to this... There was an extremely heated discussion at a meeting with docs and midwives where I work about how doing a VE is the only way to ascertain progress in the normal labour of uncompromised healthy women. The midwives now have to come up with evidence showing that doing a VE within 1- 4 hours of admission to hospital (then 4-6 hourly thereafter) is not necessary as we are able to assess progress in different ways (all of which have been poo-pooed by the medicos)...so...am needing the help of all you wonderfully wise women out there. Thanks in advance. Sally - Original Message - From: "Sally @ home" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations Was wondering what guidelines others worked with regarding when to do vaginal examinations...specifically in the hospital setting. And what evidence they base their practice on. Thanks in advance. Sally -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.-- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/432 - Release Date: 29/08/2006-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. * This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use,
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback
I would agree with the 'crap' judgement you made. Where I work in a small rural midwifery unit, we do a lot of physiological third stages and the women are encouraged to let the baby feed as soon as they show signs, they are skin to skin with mum. Lights low and the rest of the family in awe of the birth. I never tell her how to do it unless it becomes very obvious after a while that she may need hints and tips. So many babies will attach and feed well for that first feed, without being taught! Can't be a learned response. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/08/2006 3:51:16 pm Hi All.The feedback I've gotten so far seems to mirror what I instinctively believe breastfeeding to be. Pamphlets that are distributed at the hospital advocate breastfeeding as a "learned response from both mother and baby". Um...May I say.CRAP?--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. * This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is strictly prohibited. The information contained in this email, including any attachment sent with it, may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone collect on Australia +61 1800 198 175 or by return email. You should also delete this email, and any copies, from your computer system network and destroy any hard copies produced. If not an intended recipient of this email, you must not copy, distribute or take any action(s) that relies on it; any form of disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this email is also prohibited. Although Queensland Health takes all reasonable steps to ensure this email does not contain malicious software, Queensland Health does not accept responsibility for the consequences if any person's computer inadvertently suffers any disruption to services, loss of information, harm or is infected with a virus, other malicious computer programme or code that may occur as a consequence of receiving this email. Unless stated otherwise, this email represents only the views of the sender and not the views of the Queensland Government.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!!!!!
The woman has to be pretty strong and fight if she wants a breech birth any place other than a home birth. OB's are all scared and want to do a CS regardless of what type of breech, whether she has had babies before etc etc. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/08/2006 5:51:06 pm I'm curious, what are the supposed reasons it is necessary to know whether or not the baby is going to be breech? I thought breech was just another position, but still birth like the rest of it?(Part of me suspects the desire to find out whether a baby is breech is because the medical profession is keen to pathologise yet another element of wimmin's reproductive experiences as "abnormal" and in need of medical attention).My only knowledge about breech does come from Sarah Buckley's book, so I have been coloured by her experience and I don't think she knew her fourth was breech, or that it was seen as a problem?Can OzMid. wimmin enlighten me?Cheers,Sazzsuzi and brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an article in the SMH last week - sorry don't have ref to researchers name at my fingertips -that indicated that midwives and doctors were on par at missing breeches. and that 1/3 of breeches were missed. There was a quote from Adelaide Ob Brian Peat saying this evidence supports all women having an u/s at 36 weeks to check presentation.Then he said midwives were as safe as doctors in determining position. Suzi - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! Get a trial at the same A/N clinic and see. Midwives might be just as bad. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of dianeSent: Wednesday, 9 August 2006 5:25 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! examined in the usual way by a doctor to assess the position of their baby. Well I wonder if this would be replicated with midwives as the palpators!! DiSazz EatonPhD Student Academic TutorMelbourne Journal of Politics EditorDepartment of Political ScienceUniversity of Melbourne+61 3 8344 9485http://www.sazz.rfk.id.auhttp://www.sazziesblog.blogspot.comhttp://www.linguisticsazziesblog.blogspot.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com * This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is strictly prohibited. The information contained in this email, including any attachment sent with it, may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone collect on Australia +61 1800 198 175 or by return email. You should also delete this email, and any copies, from your computer system network and destroy any hard copies produced. If not an intended recipient of this email, you must not copy, distribute or take any action(s) that relies on it; any form of disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this email is also prohibited. Although Queensland Health takes all reasonable steps to ensure this email does not contain malicious software, Queensland Health does not accept responsibility for the consequences if any person's computer inadvertently suffers any disruption to services, loss of information, harm or is infected with a virus, other malicious computer programme or code that may occur as a consequence of receiving this email. Unless stated otherwise, this email represents only the views of the sender and not the views of the Queensland Government.
Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld?
Our Mareeba women who require a VBAC have to go to Cairns Base Hospital and a reasonable number of them achieve the vaginal birth. Would not be tempted to go private though. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16/05/2006 8:54:41 pm Hi everyone I have some childbirth education clients that are planning a move to Qld - somewhere between Airlie Beach and Cairns. The mum had a previous caesarean as her baby was breech (arghhh!!) and she really wants to land somewhere where she will be supportend to birth vaginally this time. She is 27 weeks pregnant and planning to move next week so we are in a rush to find a destination!! Anyone have any clues as to supportive obstetricians, doctors, midwives up that way? She doesn't want to birth at home so is looking for support in a hospital/ birth centreenvironment. Thanks in anticipation, Penny Burrows * This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is strictly prohibited. The information contained in this email, including any attachment sent with it, may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone collect on Australia +61 1800 198 175 or by return email. You should also delete this email, and any copies, from your computer system network and destroy any hard copies produced. If not an intended recipient of this email, you must not copy, distribute or take any action(s) that relies on it; any form of disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this email is also prohibited. Although Queensland Health takes all reasonable steps to ensure this email does not contain malicious software, Queensland Health does not accept responsibility for the consequences if any person's computer inadvertently suffers any disruption to services, loss of information, harm or is infected with a virus, other malicious computer programme or code that may occur as a consequence of receiving this email. Unless stated otherwise, this email represents only the views of the sender and not the views of the Queensland Government.
[ozmidwifery] Water for BF babies
Up north here we are beset by grandma's who are always telling mothers that the baby needs extra water to drink. I know that that is not the case but I need references to be able to quote from please. We can't get on the internet from this computer so full articles would be most helpful. Thanks Judy * This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is strictly prohibited. The information contained in this email, including any attachment sent with it, may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone collect on Australia +61 1800 198 175 or by return email. You should also delete this email, and any copies, from your computer system network and destroy any hard copies produced. If not an intended recipient of this email, you must not copy, distribute or take any action(s) that relies on it; any form of disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this email is also prohibited. Although Queensland Health takes all reasonable steps to ensure this email does not contain malicious software, Queensland Health does not accept responsibility for the consequences if any person's computer inadvertently suffers any disruption to services, loss of information, harm or is infected with a virus, other malicious computer programme or code that may occur as a consequence of receiving this email. Unless stated otherwise, this email represents only the views of the sender and not the views of the Queensland Government.
Re: [ozmidwifery] article in our local paper today
Any chance of someone cutting and pasting the article. I am on a network at work and cannot access the webstie. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/06/06 05:45pm This was in our local paper today and I thought you might be interested. I sent them an email over a month ago when I received a copy of the report and it took till now for it to appear.Andrea Quanchihttp://rivheraldechuca.net/story.asp?TakeNo=200601066155153--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. * This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is strictly prohibited. The information contained in this email, including any attachment sent with it, may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone collect on Australia +61 1800 198 175 or by return email. You should also delete this email, and any copies, from your computer system network and destroy any hard copies produced. If not an intended recipient of this email, you must not copy, distribute or take any action(s) that relies on it; any form of disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this email is also prohibited. Although Queensland Health takes all reasonable steps to ensure this email does not contain malicious software, Queensland Health does not accept responsibility for the consequences if any person's computer inadvertently suffers any disruption to services, loss of information, harm or is infected with a virus, other malicious computer programme or code that may occur as a consequence of receiving this email. Unless stated otherwise, this email represents only the views of the sender and not the views of the Queensland Government.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Noises in labour
Gloria, I'm happy for you to tell this story wherever you wish. Jacky [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/11/05 05:28am Jackie, I love this story. I wonder if I could submit it to Jan at Midwifery Today magazine for inclusion in one of their magazines? Let me know. Gloria in Canada[EMAIL PROTECTED]Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital wrote: The discussion a few weeks ago about noises in labour started me thinking about a woman I met a couple of years ago. She was a small woman with a mild speech impediment. She had an overbearing husband, who came to all her antenatal visits and answered questions for her. He would frequently say things to put her down. She had a fairly traumatic vacuum extraction in a big busy hospital for her first birth, and was unsuccessful in her attempts to breastfeed. This was her second pregnancy and she really wanted a normal birth and to be able to breastfeed, and I felt she was quietly determined, but also afraid of failing again. When she came to hospital in early labour, her husband was with her and was talking for her as usual, but as the labour progressed things started to change. As she started making more noise in labour, he started to quieten down. When she whipped her nightie off and threw it on the floor he started backing towards the door. She was obviously feeling hot because next she lay flat on her back on the cold floor with arms and legs out, moaning and groaning. He was looking horrified, but hanging in there. She was becoming more vocal and when she was contracting she started to say repeatedly, through the course of the contraction, Bugger Balls. This finally did it, he left. She continued to repeat those words throughout her labour, and seemed to really enjoy saying it. She had a great labour and birth, and went on to successfully breastfeed her baby for over a year in spite of her husband and mother-in-law undermining her. It was an amazing birth to witness because you could see the change in power in the relationship as she became stronger and louder, he seemed to shrink. The relationship did appear to revert in the days after the birth, but I believe the strength and confidence she discovered during her birth helped her to breastfeed. This is one birth that will live in my memory forever. Jacky*This email, including any attachments sent with it, isconfidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s).This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it andyou are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error.Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution orreview of this email is strictly prohibited. The informationcontained in this email, including any attachment sent withit, may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if itrelates to health service matters.If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you havereceived this email in error, you are asked to immediatelynotify the sender by telephone collect on Australia+61 1800 198 175 or by return email. You should alsodelete this email, and any copies, from your computersystem network and destroy any hard copies produced.If not an intended recipient of this email, you must not copy,distribute or take any action(s) that relies on it; any form ofdisclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of thisemail is also prohibited.Although Queensland Health takes all reasonable steps toensure this email does not contain malicious software,Queensland Health does not accept responsibility for theconsequences if any person?s computer inadvertently suffersany disruption to services, loss of information, harm or isinfected with a virus, other malicious computer programme orcode that may occur as a consequence of receiving thisemail.Unless stated otherwise, this email represents only the viewsof the sender and not the views of the Queensland Government.
[ozmidwifery] Noises in labour
The discussion a few weeks ago about noises in labour started me thinking about a woman I met a couple of years ago. She was a small woman with a mild speech impediment. She had an overbearing husband, who came to all her antenatal visits and answered questions for her. He would frequently say things to put her down. She had a fairly traumatic vacuum extraction in a big busy hospital for her first birth, and was unsuccessful in her attempts to breastfeed. This was her second pregnancy and she really wanted a normal birth and to be able to breastfeed, and I felt she was quietly determined, but also afraid of failing again. When she came to hospital in early labour, her husband was with her and was talking for her as usual, but as the labour progressed things started to change. As she started making more noise in labour, he started to quieten down. When she whipped her nightie off and threw it on the floor he started backing towards the door. She was obviously feeling hot because next she lay flat on her back on the cold floor with arms and legs out, moaning and groaning. He was looking horrified, but hanging in there. She was becoming more vocal and when she was contracting she started to say repeatedly, through the course of the contraction, Bugger Balls. This finally did it, he left. She continued to repeat those words throughout her labour, and seemed to really enjoy saying it. She had a great labour and birth, and went on to successfully breastfeed her baby for over a year in spite of her husband and mother-in-law undermining her. It was an amazing birth to witness because you could see the change in power in the relationship as she became stronger and louder, he seemed to shrink. The relationship did appear to revert in the days after the birth, but I believe the strength and confidence she discovered during her birth helped her to breastfeed. This is one birth that will live in my memory forever. Jacky * This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is strictly prohibited. The information contained in this email, including any attachment sent with it, may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone collect on Australia +61 1800 198 175 or by return email. You should also delete this email, and any copies, from your computer system network and destroy any hard copies produced. If not an intended recipient of this email, you must not copy, distribute or take any action(s) that relies on it; any form of disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this email is also prohibited. Although Queensland Health takes all reasonable steps to ensure this email does not contain malicious software, Queensland Health does not accept responsibility for the consequences if any person?s computer inadvertently suffers any disruption to services, loss of information, harm or is infected with a virus, other malicious computer programme or code that may occur as a consequence of receiving this email. Unless stated otherwise, this email represents only the views of the sender and not the views of the Queensland Government.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Doctor dystocia
Sounds like the sort of thing the Core of Life course addresses. Have not actually seen the course but have had one who has done it explain a bit. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/17/05 03:08pm Julia, your comment at the end says it all...'so many women think that this is the best care available'. Midwives still have a big task in front of them to educate the public. I work in a private hospital and I have a 'smiley' name badge that says Jenny. Midwife. But most of our customers, both women and general patients still call me 'nurse'. I've have never referred to myself as a nurse at this hospital, nor do I have have nurse written anywhere on my I.D. I believe we need to get into the kinders and primary schools and teach the next generation of parents about healthy reproduction practices. Might be an interesting project for midwifery students to do? Introduce the concept of midwife to the kids. Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 0835 0419 528 717 - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doctor dystocia Doctor dystocia... Definition, when the private obstetrician walks into the room, the baby can no longer fit through the pelvis! Well that's what I feel after spending a shift in one of Adelaide's "best' private hospitals over the weekend. Their stats for the last 12 mths confirmed this, around a 50 to 55%caesarean rate every month and shockingly 35 % of the women left had either ventouse or forceps! Can someone please tell me why this is hapening? Lots of epidurals? are the doctors in a hurry? No wonder ranzcog think childbirth is dangerous, in some places it really is! Time to do some media on the safety of obstetric care .?! Absolutely! I know that I'm preaching to the converted, buy I'm horrified that so many women think that this is the best care available. Julie, 3rd year BMid FUSA No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 11/08/2005 *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return email. You should also delete this email and destroy any hard copies produced. ***
Re: [ozmidwifery] Success!!!
Denise, It was 11/6/2005, Page 9, Cairns Post. Mareeba toget birthing service back. If you want a copy I could scan and send? CheersJudy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/12/05 10:31am Dear Judy Can you please send the date and article title this was announced in the Cairns Post??THank you Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:52 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Success!!! It is now official as it is in todays Cairns Post and no doubt it will be on the news sometime. MAREEBA MATERNITY IS NOW TO BE A PILOT SITE IN QLD FOR A LOW RISK FREESTANDING BIRTH CENTRE. Thanks to the brilliant work done by the staff, the women, the community and MC, ACMI etc. Apparantly we can start 1 July. Policies are being madly written and all sort of paperwork produced as we will be under a microscope for a long time. Apart from that we have had 3 babies this week, multis who were in too good a labour to risk transferring, 3 very happy mums to birth in their own community. Cheers Judy***This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error.Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters.If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return email. You should also delete this email and destroy any hard copies produced.*** No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 8/06/2005
[ozmidwifery] Success!!!
It is now official as it is in todays Cairns Post and no doubt it will be on the news sometime. MAREEBA MATERNITY IS NOW TO BE A PILOT SITE IN QLD FOR A LOW RISK FREESTANDING BIRTH CENTRE. Thanks to the brilliant work done by the staff, the women, the community and MC, ACMI etc. Apparantly we can start 1 July. Policies are being madly written and all sort of paperwork produced as we will be under a microscope for a long time. Apart from that we have had 3 babies this week, multis who were in too good a labour to risk transferring, 3 very happy mums to birth in their own community. Cheers Judy *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return email. You should also delete this email and destroy any hard copies produced. ***
[ozmidwifery] IV epidural
In my opinion IV cannulation is a basic skill that all midwives should have. How do you manage a PPH?? And yes you do keep in practice by cannulating for IV antibiotics, etc - so when you need to cannulate in an emergency you can!! I know which of these skills (epidural top-up IV cannulation) I consider more valuable. I work in a small rural hospital where we don't have doctors on site all the time - it can be 1/2 hour from when you call them to when they arrive. 1/2 hour waiting for an IV in an emergency would be terrible. (And doctors do epidural top-ups here - not midwives) Maybe this is different from major hospitals - but it seems odd to me that you have doctors available to cannulate, but not to do epidural top-ups. Something is very warped in this thinking. Jacky *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return email. You should also delete this email and destroy any hard copies produced. ***
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mareeba Maternity
We have put in a submission to operate as a freestanding birth centre but only God knows where that has gone. I am on night shift and having a class out of town as soon as I was up I did not even see the news. It was left to a friend to tell me at 2100 that I might not have a job!!!. Those staff that were phoned were given 25 minutes to get into work for a meeting and the announcment that we may not have births here. Now that I am at work I see the print out of the media release. We will be able to do antenatal and postnatal care. Big deal. They keep talking about safety to the baby but seem to have no idea that birthing on the road to another place is not safe. Here is a sentence from the release "The priority is to ensure women experience a safe environment in which to give birth supported by appropriately qualified medical and nursing staff." They just don't get it! Cairns Base Hospital is having trouble managing the births from Cairns and the high risk from the whole of Cape York. Atherton Hospital has had its proper maternity unit closed because of lead in the paint. They now have a poky little spot at the end of a surgical ward. I believe they only have 4 or 5 postnatal beds. No bath, no pressure in the water from the shower. Terrible statistics. Apparently that is safer than here. Midwives don't want to stay there. Here we have midwives who have worked hard for the last 12 years to make this place what it is, a good example of midwifery model of care. None of these have been consulted. The women have not been consulted. After all, they are obviously not qualified to make a choice for the safety of themselves and their babies. They reckon it will only be for up to six mohths. I am not sure what will happen then, they have been unable to replace our very able Med Super when he retired early last year. We have the Mayor and council supporting us and it seems the phones were running hot (as I and several other midwives remained blissfully unaware of our fate) to MP's etc. There is a rally in town on thursday. Pardon my rambling, I am tired and very very upset. Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/09/05 10:48pm Is this not the time for Qld to its first midwife led maternity service in Mareeba?? Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 7:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mareeba Maternity Mareeba midwives are in mourning. With our most experienced Dr going into private practice we have been told today that we may not do any more births after friday. We can still do antenatal and postnatal care. I have not yet been to work today so I had to find out from the local news!!! We will keep you posted. Judy Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 6/05/2005 *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return email. You should also delete this email and destroy any hard copies produced. ***
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mareeba Maternity
Thanks, that is part of the submission. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/10/05 01:09am Sounds like you need to remind the 'powers that be' of the highly successful mid led unit at Ryde and push for the same scenario. It really is the only sensible solution - Good luck!!! Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mareeba Maternity We have put in a submission to operate as a freestanding birth centre but only God knows where that has gone. I am on night shift and having a class out of town as soon as I was up I did not even see the news. It was left to a friend to tell me at 2100 that I might not have a job!!!. Those staff that were phoned were given 25 minutes to get into work for a meeting and the announcment that we may not have births here. Now that I am at work I see the print out of the media release. We will be able to do antenatal and postnatal care. Big deal. They keep talking about safety to the baby but seem to have no idea that birthing on the road to another place is not safe. Here is a sentence from the release "The priority is to ensure women experience a safe environment in which to give birth supported by appropriately qualified medical and nursing staff." They just don't get it! Cairns Base Hospital is having trouble managing the births from Cairns and the high risk from the whole of Cape York. Atherton Hospital has had its proper maternity unit closed because of lead in the paint. They now have a poky little spot at the end of a surgical ward. I believe they only have 4 or 5 postnatal beds. No bath, no pressure in the water from the shower. Terrible statistics. Apparently that is safer than here. Midwives don't want to stay there. Here we have midwives who have worked hard for the last 12 years to make this place what it is, a good example of midwifery model of care. None of these have been consulted. The women have not been consulted. After all, they are obviously not qualified to make a choice for the safety of themselves and their babies. They reckon it will only be for up to six mohths. I am not sure what will happen then, they have been unable to replace our very able Med Super when he retired early last year. We have the Mayor and council supporting us and it seems the phones were running hot (as I and several other midwives remained blissfully unaware of our fate) to MP's etc. There is a rally in town on thursday. Pardon my rambling, I am tired and very very upset. Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/09/05 10:48pm Is this not the time for Qld to its first midwife led maternity service in Mareeba?? Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 7:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mareeba Maternity Mareeba midwives are in mourning. With our most experienced Dr going into private practice we have been told today that we may not do any more births after friday. We can still do antenatal and postnatal care. I have not yet been to work today so I had to find out from the local news!!! We will keep you posted. Judy Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 6/05/2005***This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error.Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters.If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return email. You should also delete this email and destroy any hard copies produced.*** No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp
They used to do that when I was having my babies 30 and 32 yrs ago. Used a Kochers clamp. You were in lithotomy with legs tied up so that when you were trying to slide through the head of the bed and the wall to get away from the pain, you couldn't. Very, Very nasty. I would have thought if they were doing their palpations and vaginal examinations properly they would know if the baby's head was down. I personally have been thankful for the introduction of the amnihook or amnicot and most especially the understanding of the negative side of early ARM when not urgently necessary. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/05 08:35am Hi ladies, Can anyone shed some light on this procedure for me please? A pair of flat bladed (like tweezers) scissors being used to perform an amniotomy with the possibility of fetal scalp hair and skin being pulled at the same time. A good friend of mine only recently shared this experience with me about her sons birth (August 2003). Apparently she and her husband were warned that hair and/or skin may be pulled, if hair was pulled it was a good indication of the babe being head down. After the procedure was performed, her sons hair was presented to them on a piece of cardboard. This was verified by another woman who overheard and shared her similar experience. I have never heard about this procedure, I cant find reference to it in any of my texts, or on the net. I must be looking in the wrong areas. Thanks- Isis *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return email. You should also delete this email and destroy any hard copies produced. ***
RE: [ozmidwifery] newborn bath
I agree with you Nicole. I usually say something like "there is only two criteria for a successful bath, 1. baby ends up clean 2. baby not drowned. Having bathed my babies in the past in the shower, under the hose etc usually gets mentioned. I focus on giving them confidence in holding the baby etc. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/03/05 08:55pm I agree. I think that the benefit of educating a couple on bathing their baby isactually just helping them feel comfortable with holding their baby,rather than the "bath technique" head first etc etc, because they reallydon't need much washing. Another benefit is advising that a bath ishelpful as a relaxation tool. Nicole H-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PaulineSent: Thursday, 3 March 2005 21:20To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] newborn bathWhen i first went back to work 5 years ago i got in trouble for showinga woman the wrong way to bath her baby. Instead of wrapping the baby and washing his face and hair, soaping him up then putting him in the bath,i (heaven forbid) put him straight in the bath. This was much to thehorror of the midwife i was working with who had been working in the same unitfor over 20 years.Cheers Pauline --This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return email. You should also delete this email and destroy any hard copies produced. ***
Re: [ozmidwifery] Analgesia post LUSCS
Not too many. We teach them that it can be a problem. Some will up their own fibre consumption or use prune juice or such like. Some ask for Nucolax. Most don't seem to want much at all (having had two CS 30 31 yrs ago I am amazed). So many are up and about fairly quickly. Partner often stays overnight and helps with the baby, maybe that also helps the overall needs of the mum. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/03/05 07:25am How many women have problems with constipation from the Panadeine Forte? Nicole. - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Analgesia post LUSCS Also from a small hospital. After a spinal for the CS the woman is given a naprosin supp and panadol supp. Then she is written up for 4 hourly Pethidine, BD Brufen or Naprosin and 6 hrly Panadiend Forte, all PRN. I find that not many women utilise the Pethidine, or maybe only one or two doses. They seem to be comfortable with the Panadiene Forte weaning through Panadiene and supplemented with the NSAID. Cheers JudyCheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not exactly natural birth I know, but can you give me some ideas of what your doctors/obst's order for analgesia days1-2 post LUSCS? Small hospital, and each doctor tends to have his own ideas, and sometimes we end up with all kinds of concoctions!! It doesn't make me very happy when I come onto night-duty, find women teary, in pain with nothing more than Panadol some days!But I'm the first to admit that since I haven't a a LUSCS (three NVB's) I tend to keep up the pain relief because I think it must be very, VERY painful having major abdo surgery then up and learning about a baby as well. Is the LUSCS recovery period any more or less painful than other abdo surgery?Thanks in advance.Cheryl--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return email. You should also delete this email and destroy any hard copies produced. ***
Re: [ozmidwifery] ACTIVE Vs EXPECT MAGMT
Just a comment on why so many PPH deaths in underdeveloped countries. At a symposium I went to in Saudi Arabia many years ago one of the speakers was an African Dr. His subject was anemia in the underprivelaged and he spoke of how severely anaemic many of the women are. As a result PPH is more quickly devastating than in a woman with a normal (or nearly normal) Hb level. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/28/05 07:05am Hi everyone. Back on the list and great topics abound !!I wrote a critical analysis last yr on active vs expectant management formaglobal perspective. Interestingly the infamous Hinchinbrook trial didacknowledge the type of labours. However there were significantdiscrepancies in my observation of the methodology eg: the confidence ofmidwives to support expectant management and no record of home births.I have personally noted a large no of women having a pph following activemanagement (according to the 500 defn) but also following induction oflabour , particularly withg syntocinon. In some areas such as homebirththese drugs are never used for IOL, in addition to countries like Germanywhere I have heard of acupuncture now being offerred for IOL in the hospitalsetting.There are 2 main issues with PPH. The global maternal mortality rate isapprox 600, 000 women die a year (of reported deaths). Over 90% of thesedeaths are in developing countries and largely due to PPH. Drugs like syntoare viewed by some authors as problematic as many tropical areas cannotrefridgerate and therefore cannot use synto. There is move afoot to look atother methods that do not require refridgeration. One begs the question,why so many deaths ? Is it related to the various experiences of managmentby TBA's who attend to most of the births ? Is it related to the factthousands of women spend days in labour and on their own ? Is itdehydration ? Malnutrition ? The list goes on... It certainly isrelated to a poor level of care and pathetic govt priorities in my view, tonot ensure as many women as possible have pregnancy birth and postpartumcare.In my view this is where the true crisis of PPH lies.Having said that. There is no global or even national standardisedmeasurement of loss (process), nor is there an agreed global standardiseddefinition of pph as many of you have so aptly pointed out.Certainly I think there is need for further research comparing the activeand expectant magmt techniques where there is no confidence bias, thatincorporates accurate defns of labour type also. Even a RCT looking at IOLwith synto vs No IOL of women 39-42 weeks and comparing their loss could besignificant.Thanks Sue for your insights on your practice and the wonderful knowledge ofJohn's wisdom. In my experience I always keep arnica and the australian bushflower essences on hand and discovered through my kinesiology practice aboutten yrs ago the need for a woman to have a homeopathic known as UstilagoMaidus twice antentally and three times in the immediate postpartum.I have then seen it used on three more occasions and would not hesitate tohave it on hand, particularly for remote rural areas.On another note, I have also noted that pph is common for women who have aprecipitous labour. Often these women appear to be in shock after the highof a beautiful, sometimes intense or furious labour.On an emotional and spiritual reflection of practice, I have also noted itis not uncommon for women who have experienced abuse to have a very veryfast or very very long labour also. And a pph. It is afterall the essenceof the life/death paradigm and I try to remain aware of this particularly ifthe dissasociation and trauma of unrecognised abuse arises in labour. Ithink it is important when a pph is not obviously drug induced or activelyinduced, we are alert to what the 'triggers' of the emotion around a pphcould be.Again, another reason highlighting the importance of one-to-one midwiferycare.Also a comment re the G10 P9 woman - I would consider assessing the wishesof the woman, the previous history, the current history and emotionalwellbeing as to whether the synto would be needed. I have also heard andwould be glad to follow up with the cnc who gave me this info that there iscurrent research concluding that the grand multi status is no longer afactor for routine synto.Kind Regards to you allSally-Anne Brown *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery Lead Care
I work at Mareeba District Hospital (about 200 births per year) and a model name... well that's harder ... perhaps midwifery based, we cope with what were thrown? Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18/01/2005 1:35:05 pm Hi MeganWhere is this and what model?Justine *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return email. You should also delete this email and destroy any hard copies produced. ***
Re: [ozmidwifery] 2nd Stage of Labour
Tania, It is handy to distinguish between a slight urge to push and an overwhelming desire to do so. If a woman can breathe through the contractions she is either not quite ready or possibly she is fully dilated and her body is calmly and quietly without wasting too much energy bringing the baby down to birth. Sounds like something like that may have happened with the woman you witnessed. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27/10/2004 12:11:55 pm Hi all!I'm a BMid student at UniSA and about to move into the 'independent' phaseof assisting women with birth. I have a question about 2nd stage, which I'mhoping is not too ridiculous!If you are with a woman who says she wants/needs to push, but you are notcertain about dilatation as no VE has been performed (either because it'spart of your practice, maternal request .) what do you do?I recently worked with midwife who performed a VE and determined dilatationto be at about 6cm. Within about 15-30 mins the woman (a multi) expressed aneed to push. The midwife encouraged her to breathe through that urge andnot to push 'just yet'. This went on for about 20 minutes until finally wewere able to see some HOV, then it was 'go for it'.So, I guess what I'm really asking is - do you allow women to go with theirbodies and what they are feeling (which would be my instinct, rightly orwrongly who knows!) or wait for external signs that pushing 'ok'?CheersTania--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return email. You should also delete this email and destroy any hard copies produced. ***
Re: [ozmidwifery] Search for 15% caesarian rates
Mareeba in FNQ has a CS rate of about 13% - 15%. Small unit, 200 births a year. Midwife led. High risk women go to Cairns. Sandra, Jackie, Megan and others are working on Midwifery referral guidelines as we are down to 3 doctors after our very OB competent Med Super left. Can't get a replacement. Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27/06/2004 11:58:08 am Does anyone on the list know of a maternity unit in Australia that has a caesarian rate as low as 15% (top end of the WHO recommendations)or are all of them up over 20/25% now. And if so, what are you doing there tokeep the numbers down?? Just curious. Helen Cahill *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return email. You should also delete this email and destroy any hard copies produced. ***
Re: [ozmidwifery] Orthodontist
As do I. If it isn't broken, don't fix it. Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 26/05/2004 11:38:27 pm Sheena Johnson wrote: I feel that if there is no obvious obstruction of labour and there are signs of progress, ie restitution, the shoulders follow the head etc.then we should probably not bother about removing the cord, what do others think? I agree, MM *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return email. You should also delete this email and destroy any hard copies produced. ***
Re: [ozmidwifery] Assignment assistance needed urgently
Thanks Pinky, will have a look when I finish work. Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13/05/2004 10:20:06 pm The latest womans weekly has a story about Delta Goodrems cancer??? if that suits it's on the shelves right now at a supermarket near you. Pinky - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: ozmid Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Assignment assistance needed urgently Have just re-read my assignment and find I need to 'obtain a health related human interest story of at least 1000 words (approximately 3 pages in length ) from a popular magazine published between January and June 2004. I don't read popular magazines (except for gardening, computer and 4WD and they don't tend to have health related stories). If anyone can point me in the right direction or even post the article to me at PO Box 1524 Mareeba 4880 Qld I would be forever grateful. If not I am probably sunk as I need it by the end of next week so I can do the analysis by the week after. Thanks Judy -- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return email. You should also delete this email and destroy any hard copies produced. *** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Moving to Australia
Hi Wendy, My husband and Imoved to Australia last August, Its a different life, and different working also. I had worked in a medium maternity unit in England, and we wanted to move to Cairns area, I was offered a post in a small hospital with 240 births in the area, which I presumed was midwifery led, in fact was quite medicalised, the midwives not even able to perform speculums for SRM, I had to ask the Drs. before I could suture, and they even sent me to work on surgical, medical wards. So if you come beware, Apart from that the lifestyle is good, I have now moved to another hospital. Living, if you need to rent, get some references, otherwise they ask for even more deposit on top of your bond. Good Luck Anne [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27/02/2004 8:12:17 am Hello, my name is Wendy. I am a qualified midwife currently working in a low risk birthing centre in England. I, along with my partner and two children (12 9) are considering moving to Australia and I am interested in talking to anyone who has recently undertaken this huge move themselves who could give me more of an insight in to what may await us. My partner, having been to Australia before, is a keen scuba-diver and would like to consider Brisbane as the area of choice. Please contact me if you have any information that may be of help to us or if you know of anyone in the main hospitals who have current vacancies. Thanks Wendy Taberer. *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipients(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipients(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. *** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] babies in recovery room
In most places I have worked it is not routine to have the babies in recovery room. The OR staff don't have the time to care for the baby and mostly the midwifery service is understaffed and they have no time in general. I know that many midwives, if they can, will stay for as long as possible to give the mum the best chance of bonding they can. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/12/2003 8:54:50 am I was just curious to know if it is normal practice for newborn babies to be in recovery with their Mums after a ceasarian I noticed they had the baby in with the mother on the Today show this morning... and wondered if it was for television, as I remember when I stayed with my husband in recovery after leg surgery a couple of years a woman was in there after her caesarian - for some time - no baby in sighttherefore a very long and sad separation for mother and baby in those crucial first moments i'd love to hear others experiences... kind regards, Nicole ps. did the new mother appear cool and detached from the whole experience, to everyone else watching?? would have loved to have seen the difference in her responses following a homebirth. *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipients(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipients(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. *** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Virus
My home email is with bigpond. The last few viruses that have come through the list have been detected by bigpond and the contents of the email removed by them before it gets to me. Telstra bigpond did have some problems. This new virus detection service is, I guess, part of their attempts to fix the problem Jacky [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/11/2003 9:38:48 pm Message I have just heard that Telstra has a virus in their phone line system. That could explain why all the weird viruses are going through. Bigpond has major problems of the same sort. One would think that such a major server would have their own site squeaky clean. I log onto Symantec and update my virus definitions every morning before I open any emails. regards Diane *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipients(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipients(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. *** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] I have typed up and pasted below an editorial comment in the August ANZJOG regarding breech birth. G
I have typed up and pasted below an editorial comment in the August ANZJOG regarding breech birth. Good comment from an obstetrician. What we have all been saying for years. Cheers Judy Australian and New Zealand Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology 2003; 43: 261 Editorial comment The current relentless drive for 'evidence-based care' in medicine has aims which must be applauded. However, the consequences are not always beneficial to all, with a clear tendency, at time, for the 'evidence' to be applied inappropriately. Two manuscripts in this issue address the increasingly difficult subject of breech presentation. 1, 2 The 'Term Breech' 3 study did show that Caesarean section birth is associated with a higher likelihood of a quality outcome for singleton term babies than vaginal breech birth. The short-term maternal outcomes reported appeared to show that the increased use of Caesarean section was not to the detriment of the mothers. However, it did not examine longer term issues arising from Caesarean section, such as puerperal depression after discharge from hospital, future changes in fertility, and increasing morbidity and mortality in subsequent pregnancies. Equally, it did not (and could not) examine the consequences of the study being applied to other breech situations, such as multiple birth and preterm breech birth, and the effect upon the training and experience of obstetricians who will, inevitably, be faced with clinical situations such as the unexpected rapidly progressing vaginal breech birth and the woman who exercises her autonomous right to make and informed decision to attempt a term vaginal breech birth. Kaushik and Gudgeon 2 rightly remind us tat, if we are to follow 'the evidence' and advise all women with breech presentations that Caesarean section is the preferred mode of delivery, we have a responsibility to temper this advice with explanation of alternatives, including external cephalic version where appropriate. By implication, methods of training obstetricians in the techniques of vaginal breech birth must be found, to replace the experiential model used in the past. Michael HUMPHREY MB BS, PhD, FRANZCOG, FRCOG References 1 Phipps H, Roberts CL, Nassar N, Raynes-Greenow CH, Peat B, Hutton EK. The management of breech pregnancies in Australia and New Zealand. Aust NZ J Obstet Gynaecol. 2003; 43: 294-297. 2 Kaushik V, Gudgeon G. Caesarean for breech: A paradigm shift? Aust NZ J Obstet Gynaecol. 2003; 43: 298-301. 3 Hannah ME, Hannah WJ, Hewson SA, Hodnett ED. Saigon S, Willan AR. Planned caesarean section versus planned vaginal birth for breech at term; a randomised multi-centre trial. Term Breech Trial Collaborative Group. Lancet. 2000; 356: 1375-1383. *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipients(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipients(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. *** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Triumphant, powerful Birth!!
What a wonderful story Isis. An inspiration to many who are facing the same negativity from their doctors. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/08/2003 3:02:13 pm Hello all, I just wanted to let you all know that I gave birth to a beautiful, bonny, baby boy on the 11th August. Nathan Michael weighed in at 8lb, 8oz/3860g, HC- 36cm, length- 54cm. My labour was fast, powerful and so very, very satisfying. It lasted little under 2 hours, I emerged with a neat 2nd degree tear and easily birthed the placenta with no man-made help!! My milk has come in and I am looking forward to it settling, but so far this whole experience has made me feel so powerful. I wanted to thank all of you for being so supportive after my experience with the evil hospital consultant, I wish I could have seen him straight after the birth.. I would have laughed in his face for being so wrong about my body. I had a beautiful experience, with a beautiful midwife (Lynne Pyke) to help me. Not that I needed it really :-) I am living proof that a woman who sustains a fourth degree tear can birth another baby (a bigger one by 660g, 2 cm length and 3.5cm HC!!) if she feels she is able to. Thank you all again for being wonderful people! Cheers- Isis *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipients(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipients(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. *** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Jane, If you or any one else is interested, could you tell me more about your experience with establishing tandem feeding. I expect to be doing it in the none to distant future. My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25/06/2003 2:37:22 pm Dear Pinky I am breastfeeding my 2 year old (who will be 3 in August) and my 4 week old baby. So let me know if I can be of any assistance. By the way - I don't think I have posted to this list that I had another wonderful homebirth. I now have a daughter called Lia Rose (such a surprise - I fully expected to have another boy). Cheers Jane Palmer Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jo hunter Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 11:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky wrote Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Hi Pinky, Jo Hunter here - I'm still breastfeeding my 20 month old daughter and know of a few other women breastfeeding their toddlers who I'm sure would be willing to be interviewed! Love your work! Jo HAS Coordinator Homebirth mum to 4 INNATE BIRTH CBEducator and doula -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic exams
Student midwives learn pelvic exams by actually caring for the woman and then requesting to be allowed to follow an experienced midwives examination of the cervix with their own attempt. A negative answer is respected. Many women are happy to say yes. Cheers Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18/03/2003 8:28:47 am BlankHow do midwives learn how to preform pelvic exams? Jo Bainbridge founding member CARES SA www.cares-sa.org.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 08 8388 6918 birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: Carole Claxton To: CMOB Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] pelvic exams I was flabbergasted when I read this, but don't know how true it is!?! What a dreadful thing to do to women without their knowledge!! Carole Medical schools alter pelvic exam policies Some of the nation's leading medical schools have abandoned a little-known, decades-old practice of letting students perform pelvic exams on women without their consent while they are under anesthesia. http://www.msnbc.com/news/883838.asp ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Good OB
My sister is having her thrid LSCS (sigh) later this year and has recently moved to Brisbane. Does anyone have the name of a good OB (preferably with admitting rights to Mater Mothers? Thanks Megan ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Good OB
My sister has recently moved to brisbane and would like to know the name of a good Ob who preferably has admitting rights to mater mothers. Thanks for any suggestions Megan ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Birth Stool
Our unit is considering getting a birth stool and we would appreciate informtion on the styles available, where to get them from and the pro's and con's of their use. I am aware of the one available on the acegraphics site and have used one of those for many good births but would love to know what else is on the market. Thanks Judy ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] thumb not dummy
I would have to agree with the genetic aspect. My mum needed braces as did I (not a thumbsucker) and my next sister also not a thumbsucker but the brother who was a thumbsucker had great teeth. Then my daughter who sucked until around 8 yrs old also needed braces and surgery for an oral cyst. Must admit, by that time I wished the thumb was a dummy so I could throw it away. I was dead against dummies but now, am not so sure. Thumbs also get really dirty by the time the child becomes self-propelled. Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/02/2003 7:23:11 pm Hi, My son, aged 4.5, was seen sucking his thumb on ultrasound at 18 weeks. Nearly 5 years later, he's still going much to our delight! Never had we had dummies for our last two, as our oldest had lots of trouble getting rid of hers. The youngest prefers to suck nothing, and that's cool too. Both boys were breastfed beyond 14 months. But Nathan still sucks his thumb, and with the other hand holds his earlobe, when tired. His teeth are perfect, and it is something he cannot lose at the shops or anything. He only sucks it late in the day, near bedtime, which is fine by us. My cousin is a dentist, but earlier in life was seen forever with her thumb in her mouth. She ended up needing braces (as did her 5 non-thumb-sucking sisters) and swears to this day that it was genetic, not thumb-induced. We love non-dummy households! And thumbs are fine by us. It's just one of those things (like co-sleeping) that people think we are strange for supporting - but each family is individual and so is each child, so who are the experts here? Seeya Janine ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Kidd blood grooup antibodies???????
Dear Tina Incompatible red cells may enter a woman's circulation via transfusion or feto maternal haemorrhage. Such red blood cells may provide a haemolytic antibody response leading to the development of the isoimmunised state. In the case of such a woman subsequently becoming pregnant and carrying a baby with the same antigen to which she has antibodies, those IgG antibodies will cross the placenta and cause fetal haemolytic anaemia. The severity of the haemolysis is dependent upon the level of the antibody in the maternal circulation. Not all antibodies have this abilitity but anti D, Anti C, Anti c, anti E, Anti e, anti K, anti Fya, anti M and Anti Lua all have the ability to cause fetal haemolytic anaemia. All woman with antibodies need to have blood transfusions specifically crossed matched for them. The Kidd antibodies have the potential to cause haemolytic disease of the newborn, and so the mother needs the antibody levels monitored and referral to someone / somewhere who knows more about antibodies and thier complications. Megan (with thanks to Jacky for slaving over the clinical protocol manual, making it so easy to use) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23/02/2003 4:26:52 pm Hello fellow listers this is a question for those of you who are haematologically minded :-)) A follow thru client received her blood results and has been diagnosed with having JK(a) antibodies. A quick search of Pubmed tells me that Kidd (JK) blood group antigens are clinically important...doesn't say why...(Im guessing with cross matching for blood transfusions etc...) and that Kidd blood group antigens are carried by the urea transporter in red Blood cells. Is anyone able to shed any light on the clinical significance of having JK(a) antibodies...for the woman and for the babe in utero or able to direct me to any other references that may assist me in understanding what this means exactly. Thanking you all in advance, Tina Pettigrew B Mid Student ACU Melb. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fenugreek.
I have lost my brochure on fenugreek and need the info. Can anyone help me with relevant information? Thanks Judy ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Neonatal glaucoma
Another request for info. This time on neonatal glaucoma, baby was born at 32 weeks for placenta praevia and APH. Now 42 wks corrected age and still trying to establish breastfeeding. Discovered recently to have probable glaucoma and has an appointment with the neonatal opthalmologist next week. Need info on treatment and outcomes likely. Thanks Judy ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Calling for book reviewers
Hi Andrea, I didn't hear back from you after the last review that I sent in and was wondering if you still had me on your list or if you were unhappy with the review. You can email me back at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Megan Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/11/2002 1:50:08 pm Hi listers, We are once again looking for volunteers to add to our team of book reviewers. Each year we receive a number of new tiles that we add to our list on the web site and in our catalogue and as a service to our customers, we like to be able to point buyers to a review of the book to give them an idea of its style and content. We need approximately another 10 people at this time (we still have some reviewers on our panel from almost 2 years ago) and are looking for those with varied backgrounds: midwives, consumers, educators, lactation consultants etc. Before you rush in to reply, please don't offer unless you can promise to send a review within 2 months of receiving a book. You will be able to keep the book in return for your review, but this is not just an easy way to get a free book - we are asking you to do some work for us first! As we have a range of titles available, we will try to match the book with your area of interest. An outline of how to prepare the review will be included. We are hoping to have all reviews completed and on our web site by the end of January. If you are interested, please email me the following details: Name Postal address Phone number Area of interest/expertise Thank you for your interest, Andrea Robertson - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] registration
Why not Midwife the nurse part is irrelevant. Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/11/2002 7:55:13 am Well, good on you Marilyn. There will be more following you. (I canny wait!!) I think RM is right. You are registered as a midwife. I worked with a lady in Abu Dhabi - direct entry midwife who was going to NSW and got registration there. love, Liz - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] registration NO Liz I am not a nurse, I am direct entry fom the USA, I am home birth trained/educated except for the 4 weeks I spent at St. George Delivery Suite and the 3 weeks at Mareeba under supervision. Which actually is why I said non-nurse because on my registration paper, beside the nurse category is printed non-nurse, and on the bottom the paper says non-nurse midwife only. You can see this on the QNC web site. And the QNC does have the ACMI competencies (which had to be checked off during the supervision) and a lovely ACMI midwife handbook that is sent out with the authorisation. It is interesting, in my job search I have sent a few letters out, one to a private hospital up north mainly because it is close to relatives, well they called me to find out my ceasarean experience which I had to admit willingly was very small, no, I have not topped off an epidural after a c/s. All I can say is people really don't read cv/resumes do they! Anyway, I don't think they will be offering me a job, which is probably a good thing all round. So, I am just a little confused as to what initials to put after my name. In Washington I was LM for licensed midwife which distinguishes someone like me from a LCNM (licensed certified nurse midwife) in Washington. I am more than happy to right RM but I think really I am an AM (authorised midwife) or maybe a NNM (non-nuse midwife). I just really don't want to misrepresent myself. Back to the various nursing councils/boards, I did get lots of excellent advice from everyone on this list, however I do think many people thought Queensland might be the last state to authorise me. I downloaded the application forms from each state and I thought Queendland's were the most user friendly to someone like me. I mean they had a box to check for midwife only. Of course I am originally a Queenslander so I am thrilled that the QNC approved my application. I guess if I choose to travel then other states also have to approve me under mutual recognition. marilyn (still thrilled) - Original Message - From: elizabeth mcalpine To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] registration Marilyn, Are you also a nurse? Because when I told the Vic Nurses Board that I only wanted to register as a midwife, they told me that it was not possible. I asked about the new midwives - those graduates without nursing- I was told they'd think of that then. Liz Mc - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] registration Hearty, hearty CONGRATULATIONS, Marilyn!!! Well done! May you assist women and babies -- and fathers -- in beautiful births for many years to come! Love, Aviva - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] registration It seems I have a few of options re work (non of which are caseload - later I hope) which I am mulling over; BUT my big news at the moment is: OK!! you have it hot off the internet... I am registered to practise as a non-nurse, midwife only, in Queensland, Australia as of November 7th, 2002. You can see this for yourself by going to. www.qnc.qld.gov.au ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or
[ozmidwifery] Re: Placenta and post natal depression
Yes dogs who have C/S frequently reject puppies. They need assistance to recognise the pups eg encouraged to lick them asap after waking and often need assistance to feed the pups attachment etc before waking. Some dog breeders save a placenta or two for the mother to eat. Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/10/2002 9:45:47 am I don't know about dogs but I was watching a zoo type show a few weeks ago and the were talking about a family of Gorilla's and apparently a couple of them had to have caesareans because they weren't labouring well (insert snorts of disgust here) and after the surgery the gorilla's apparently wanted nothing to do with the babies. Gee whiz wonder why? They also talked about how they were supplementing the babies with bottles (those that still fed off their mothers) because they weren't gaining enough weight?!?!?! This all sounds very familiar. I found the whole program disgusting after that and switched off, How sad that we are inflicting this among our animal friends as well as the human race. Hugs, Larissa I wonder if Dogs who undergo c/s at vets are prone to not wanting their young. That may be somewhere to go. But then that could be the fact that they had the c/s as well as not eating the placenta - you may need to get a vet to help with a control study. Regards Rhonda . ally evolved - Click Here ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats
Don't rush Jo. Caelan is 17 months old and just over 7 kgs. You are obviously doing well. He will let you know when he is ready to try new things. Caelan tried solids at six months but still eats poorly. He is however happy and healthy. I felt exactly the same, particularly as I am working and didn't want to lose that close connection. Don't worry about weaning just enjoy your time together. Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27/09/2002 10:56:49 pm It's very quiet out there... hope everyone is well?? Alec weighed in at 19lb 10oz, or 8.9kg at his 6 days earlier than 6mo weigh-in on Wednesday. He is heavier than Nick and 1cm longer, but with a littler head! Clinic sister astounded to learn it was all breast and no solids. She referred us to an optometrist for his head tilt (he holds his head tilted to the left periodically - I had already taken him to the doctor to have torticollis ruled out), and optometrist says tilt is not to do with his eyes as they align well in all directions. Tilt may be purely behavioural - we shall see... Thinking about introducing solids, and bought a jar of babyfood in the supermarket today... was almost in tears (me, this is). What is wrong with me?? I'm so enjoying feeding him, and I know we have a long way to go still, but maybe I feel it's the earliest beginnings of weaning (or maybe I can't be bothered feeding him real food!!) Must make Fred make the scanner work and send a pic. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
Birth weight is all we have ever used on these Sandra [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/09/2002 2:54:11 pm a question for the midwives who are not weighing babies on day 3 - how do you complete the guthries card? it is my understanding that the weight and age are both needed for the Newborn screening test. maxine _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Menstruation
PS. He is still breastfeed, day and night as he cosleeps. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/09/2002 2:01:23 pm I had to smile when I read this, my 16 month old poppet (who has never seen the inside of a child health nurses office) dosen't even come close to the percentile lines. We are not big people, and have wee kids in both our families. I think that so long as they are happy, active and playful, it doesn't matter what size they are, or aren't. Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/09/2002 3:52:02 pm reminds me of when Rosie was measured at 12 months. Oooh, she's in the lower tenth percentile, came the accusing remark. Yes, I replied, straight-faced, it runs in the family. What does? (she was so caring). SHORTNESS! I replied. Aviva ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] story help
Dear Michelle, As a faithful listener to the J's, particularly the morning show, I have often thought about the number of stories that are relevant to young women particularly those having children. I regularly offer the placenta to the parents after birth, most don't wish to take it home and those who do say that they are going to plant a tree on it or something similar. It is a shame that more people don't recognise the amazing job that it does, just ask Dr Karl! Have you asked Francis what they did with theirs? Apart from placentas, there are many other great stories, There is a community based midwifery program over that way which is a great model for what all australian women deserve. When you compare New Zealands system to our maternity care, we are in the dark ages. There is a National Maternity Action Plan that is available on the web which addresses these issues. Another interesting topic is the role/benefits of midwifery care. Countries such as Holland have outstanding maternal and infant mortality and morbidity statistics as they have midwives as primary care givers. Countries which are just as well off such as Australia and America where Dr's are the primary care givers, don't have the same rates of favourable outcomes. Breastfeeding benefits, how it is undermined by media and big companies such as Nestle is also interesting. People think that bottlefeeding is just as good but health wise there is just no match for breastfeeding. Big companies such as Nestle love third world countries where they can advertise formulas and con people into thinking that bottle feeding is as good as Mc Donalds and Coca Cola. Then the babies get dysentry from the poor water supply etc etc, And don't get me started on the Phytoestrogens in the Soya based formula's Anyway if you are ever short on story ideas just let us know, and please tell us when the placenta story is on Thanks Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16/08/2002 11:32:25 am Hello, My name is Michelle White. I'm a journo with Triple J's Morning Show. I'm hoping someone on this website might be able to help me out with a story I'm doing. I'm really interested in doing a piece about parents who choose to eat the placenta after they've given birth. I've heard lots of anecdotal stories about how it's supposed to prevent post natal depression and how it's common amongst certain cultures, but am having trouble finding someone who has actually done it. I'm also wondering if there's someone out there who is an 'expert' on the subject ? Any help would be greatly appreciated ! Warm Regards. Michelle. (08) 9 220 2582 (Perth office) or reply to this email! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
3rd degree tears
Dear 'Worried Mum', I am a midwife and I, too, had a 3rd degree tear with the birth of my first child. I had him in a birth centre and was also happy with my birth experience. He was 4.3 kg. My 2nd child was born in the small maternity unit in which I now work. My sister 'caught' my daughter. She was 4.5 kg and I had an intact perineum - no tears at all. Over the years, I have also cared for a number of women who have had 3rd degree tears with previous births. I have never seen any of them have repeat 3rd degree tears. I think there are a number of factors that contribute to a 3rd degree tear. For me there was a big psychological component. I think it's important to trust your instincts, and I also think you need to be able to trust your midwife or obstetrician. You need to feel that they respect you and your wishes. It doesn't sound like that's the way it is at the moment (it was me against four of them). I hope this helps. Jacky Eales ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Private obstetrics risks
Hi, Would someone on the list be able to tell me where to find the research article that looked at the risks of private health insurance in childbirth. I seem to have lost both the article and the reference. Thanks, Jacky Eales ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: short cord
A small town an hour west of cairns, far north QLD. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/15/01 02:38pm where's Mareeba?thats great to hear that story. lol jan - Original Message - From: Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 12:42 AM Subject: Re: short cord Jan, I had to smile when I read your email, as a friend had an almost identical birth last year. a 12 inch cord (at full stretch), high head, water birth, obviously not a shouldar dystocia. It took a lot of maternal and midwife effort to deliver the shouldars and body. when the midwife turned the baby over found the snapped cord, well she too took longer than the baby to recover. Mother is to have her second babe soon, we will have to tell her that there is someone else who had her experience! Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/11/01 12:25pm thanks for replies 12 inches or just under is about 26cms that is including every bit of the stretched and torn cord . the baby stayed very high the cx was 8cm pp-3 at 8am multigravid with membranes intact the baby was born quickly at 2pm 2nd stage very short the head and shoulders delivered well underwater and then it took maternal effort and midwife pulling baby underarm's to breaking the cord and birthing the baby.The baby was floppy with a good heart rate pale and covered in mec she recovered quicker than I did and was soon breast feeding .There was about 5cms of cord on baby and no cord to be seen out of vagina. I have seen snapped cords twice but this was extraordinary in that it had to snap for the baby to be born lol jan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 4:30 AM Subject: Re: short cord Actually my third daughter was born that way in a birth center in Chicago in 1981. It didn't cause any problems at the birth and was only evident when the midwife was passing her to me and she couldn't reach my breast, stopped just at my umbilicus. So we wrapped her and held her there attempting to wait for the cord to stop pulsing but she was rooting vigorously for the breast so we did cut it earlier than planned, I think it was still pulsing a little (not sure), I just wanted to hold her. Anyway Rach went straight to the breast and stayed there for the next 2 hours. There were not any problems with 3rd stage. Haven't had this happenned at any births I have attended though. Regards, marilyn -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: short cord
Jan, I had to smile when I read your email, as a friend had an almost identical birth last year. a 12 inch cord (at full stretch), high head, water birth, obviously not a shouldar dystocia. It took a lot of maternal and midwife effort to deliver the shouldars and body. when the midwife turned the baby over found the snapped cord, well she too took longer than the baby to recover. Mother is to have her second babe soon, we will have to tell her that there is someone else who had her experience! Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/11/01 12:25pm thanks for replies 12 inches or just under is about 26cms that is including every bit of the stretched and torn cord . the baby stayed very high the cx was 8cm pp-3 at 8am multigravid with membranes intact the baby was born quickly at 2pm 2nd stage very short the head and shoulders delivered well underwater and then it took maternal effort and midwife pulling baby underarm's to breaking the cord and birthing the baby.The baby was floppy with a good heart rate pale and covered in mec she recovered quicker than I did and was soon breast feeding .There was about 5cms of cord on baby and no cord to be seen out of vagina. I have seen snapped cords twice but this was extraordinary in that it had to snap for the baby to be born lol jan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 4:30 AM Subject: Re: short cord Actually my third daughter was born that way in a birth center in Chicago in 1981. It didn't cause any problems at the birth and was only evident when the midwife was passing her to me and she couldn't reach my breast, stopped just at my umbilicus. So we wrapped her and held her there attempting to wait for the cord to stop pulsing but she was rooting vigorously for the breast so we did cut it earlier than planned, I think it was still pulsing a little (not sure), I just wanted to hold her. Anyway Rach went straight to the breast and stayed there for the next 2 hours. There were not any problems with 3rd stage. Haven't had this happenned at any births I have attended though. Regards, marilyn -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
