Re: Textblock SizeChanged

2010-09-14 Thread Scott Barnes
Steve's correct, Canvas doesn't really care how wide/high its children are in regards to itself. Encapsulating the TextBlock inside a border and using that as your Source of Truth should get you the results you desire, but yeah you have a ghetto border now :) Not sure why FontSize doesn't trigger

Re: Textblock SizeChanged

2010-09-14 Thread Stephen Price
Without trying anything in code, I'd be guessing that putting the textblock onto/into the canvas makes it behave differently than when its in the border. I've seen quite a lot of sizing things behave differently depending upon the parent container. Have you tried it in a grid instead of a canvas?

RE: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Tony Wright
I have to agree with Scott on this one. The use of the term “ethics” is a bit strong here IMHO. Reminds me of children overboard – what’s worse, the whistleblowing from someone exposing a lie, or the actual lie? T. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun.

Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Scott Barnes
The things I have done, seen and carried out for Microsoft that have eroded the word ethics leaves me sleeping ok at night knowing what I have done is probably the most righteous ethical thing I've done heheh ;) This isn't a black or white argument lots of gray shades ;) On 15/09/2010, at 2:47

RE: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Darren Neimke
>> It's exposing a lot of hidden conversations both internally and externally, >> is that good or bad? Which I think is taunting with this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breach_of_confidence I'm sure that it is meant well, but it comes across as being rather unethical to me. Darren neim

Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Scott Barnes
I can accept your opinion here and agree in parts I am having mixed feelings about the approach. Would I do it differently probably but it's just full steam ahead ? Also just know that a journalist did most of the work based off some tweets so really my efforts were just the final pieces he ne

Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Paul Stovell
Hi Scott, >> It's exposing a lot of hidden conversations both internally and externally, is that good or bad? I appreciate the work you put in while at Microsoft to make sure issues from guys like me were being raised internally (I mean that). The problem I had with this post isn't that you kicke

RE: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Tatham Oddie
Jordan (XAMLing), Michael Kordahi (Microsoft), Andrew Coates (Microsoft) and I spoke about this. :) http://www.noisetosignal.com.au/franklyspeaking/?p=256 http://www.noisetosignal.com.au/franklyspeaking/?p=260 I'll also be covering this question /again/ at the upcoming Web Directions South confe

RE: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Tony Wright
Gosh, you guys really need to write shorter email, < 300 words would be good... But seriously, is HTML5 going to load into different browsers, including the legacy ones? That is important. If it isn't, then I can still see a market for SL. T. ___ ozsil

Re: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued!

2010-09-14 Thread Winston Pang
Good points... but I wonder, what's going to happen to smooth streaming actually, it sounds a lot like the HTTP Live Streaming standard that Apple made, which got people talking the other week when they had the ipod keynote live stream. On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Jose Fajardo < jose.faja.

Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Scott Barnes
"A reasonable man adapts himself to his environment. An unreasonable man persists in attempting to adapt his environment to suit himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Bernard Shaw. Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:3

Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Scott Barnes
Hmm, I'm a little shocked of all people you wrote the below Paul ? (i mean that with sincerity). You and i have had a few discussions around this space, you've shown frustration that Silverlight has gotten more attention than WPF and so on. The reality is that whether you agree or disagree with th

Textblock SizeChanged

2010-09-14 Thread Colin Savage
Before this list turns entirely into an ausdotnet trollfest, how about a Silverlight question? Does anyone know why a textblock is not firing SizeChanged event when the fontsize changes? Example:

Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Jordan Knight
... to bump that chain of thought - plugins are easer to install / get installed than browsers. And, plugins don't wreck corporate apps built around SOE (i.e. upgrade from IE6). I like your points John - ubiquity is the key to the reach argument. On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:34 PM, John OBrien wrot

HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued!

2010-09-14 Thread Jose Fajardo
One of the great discussions that came about by Scott's email is around "who will take the HTML5 crown" Basically not all implementations of the HTML5 spec will be equal, and the way it may turn out is that MS thru IE9 and it's future tooling may implement the best version of html5 to which all

Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Paul Stovell
>> Wpf has had little or next to no investments beyond what the vs2010 team needed and some basics from variety of community sources if any. It's had zero marketing budget and wasn't even mentioned as a developer story in win7 launches I get that feeling too, but I don't think it's necessarily a b

Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Perry Stathopoulos
They is Microsoft. I don’t work for MS, so I don’t not its internals, however I’ve worked for several large corporations and I’m all too familiar with inter-department/division power struggles. This is nothing new. Realistically I’m sure each division is given its budget, timelines and delive

RE: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread John OBrien
The sad part about HTML5 is all the awesome innovative stuff we've seen out of MSFT powered by Silverlight will now have to been slowly ported over HTML5 and the loser is new innovation. Great that it will have more reach but from an innovation point of view it sucks. Example Photosynth, sure

Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Scott Barnes
Whe u say "they" who are u referring to? Developer division or ie / windows team? And who has right of way in terms of budgets and launch timelines? Msft has loads of money but if you have ever sat in a review of the business etc u will note that being held fiscally accountable is very important

Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Perry Stathopoulos
First, everyone should also read Mike Taulty’s post: http://mtaulty.com/CommunityServer/blogs/mike_taultys_blog/archive/2010/09/10/iphone-4-is-dead.aspx Another thing that I didn’t see too much in all this hoopla is talking about the obvious that Silverlight is reaching maturity (not end of lif

RE: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Paul Du Bois
Saying any technology is dead if plain foolish imo. Software platforms don't die, they just become less popular. Hell, even when the platform vendor stops supporting it, the platforms continue to be in use. HTML5 looks like another Java to me. Sure it will run on many different browse

Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Scott Barnes
Nice post Jordan ;) My thoughts personally is there is room for both and I'm on record by saying msft should consider using sl + ie together to handle the html5 execution silently - it drives ubiquity and upholds both sides of the isle. Wpf has had little or next to no investments beyond what t

In support of Scott's and his right to bubble up this very important issue of HTML5 and Silverlight/WPF

2010-09-14 Thread Jose Fajardo
Guys just my 2 cents... This is a very big issue that Scott has ignited, and he was right to bring it out into the light. I'm in disagreement with Scott on a lot of what he has to say regarding Silverlight and its' future. I personally believe that it has a very long and bright future ahead of

Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Jordan Knight
I'd also like to raise some points RE HTML5 and WPF/SL etc. Back in the 1890's the head of the US patent office declared he was going to close the office because he thought that there was nothing left to invent... rather short sighted given hindsight... My point is that HTML5 will bring to the ma

Re: Uninteresting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Scott Barnes
I'm long past worried about employment prospects in Microsoft or this industry :) I did what and whilst some display hatred for it, others inside Microsoft have been sending me positive emails stating in a nutshell it was about time someone spoke out. Make no mistake, there are a lot of people inte

Re: Uninteresting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread David Connors
On 14 September 2010 21:36, Corneliu Tusnea wrote: > Sorry to tell you but I'm so sick of Scott's overly-opinionated attitude. > He has(had) access to a fair bit of internal knowledge inside Microsoft that > he saw through his own eyes and now he got out and he's spitting everywhere > around him

RE: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Scott Barnes
Hi All :) Let me clarify my motivation as i have with Scott Guthrie and the rest of the teams. I sent the post/tweets into the wild based off what others within the company have told me time and time again. Majority of what I've stated isn't actually my opinion of how things should be or why WPF i

Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Winston Pang
I think everyone should try to keep their cool. Although I may not agree with Scott's *opinion*, it is his opinion in some sense, and everyone has a right to say whatever they want, whether it's right or wrong. I didn't read his entire post, but I think it's definitely a combination of being disgru

Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Darren Neimke
Great and gutsy email Corneliu... I agree with and fully support what you have said. Scott needs to walk away and take a good hard look. - Darren Neimke From: Corneliu Tusnea Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:06 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML

RE: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Corneliu Tusnea
Sorry to tell you but I'm so sick of Scott's overly-opinionated attitude. He has(had) access to a fair bit of internal knowledge inside Microsoft that he saw through his own eyes and now he got out and he's spitting everywhere around him having no clue about the (moral) damage he does to people

RE: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread Tatham Oddie
Even as the web standards zealot in the corner, I wouldn't agree with many of Scott's points. Jordan Knight and I just discussed the relationship between HTML5 and Silverlight across two episodes of Frankly Speaking: http://www.noisetosignal.com.au/franklyspeaking/?p=256 http://www.noiseto

Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

2010-09-14 Thread danlazner
Via CodeProject 'Daily News' (14/09/2010) - http://www.riagenic.com/archives/363 Dr. Dan Lazner, PhD | Software Architect/Engineer/Developer ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/o