Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Isabelle
> If a contributor is not willing to subscribe to a mailing list it > may just be a "meteorite" and not really bound to stay in the long > run. Reminder that "meteorites" are also important for the project, as they are also often users who find a bug / want to fix just one thing and not developers

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread J Rt
+1. On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:38 AM Isabelle wrote: > > > If a contributor is not willing to subscribe to a mailing list it > > may just be a "meteorite" and not really bound to stay in the long > > run. > > Reminder that "meteorites" are also important for the project, as they > are also often

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Erazem Kokot
> Reminder that "meteorites" are also important for the project, as they > are also often users who find a bug / want to fix just one thing and > not developers. In that case the barrier to entry still isn't that high, since everybody already uses email and subscribing to a mailing list with mailm

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread J Rt
This is true, but at the same time, this is 'yet another method to learn', while nowadays a vast group of users are quite proficient and used to github and similar. Using something a la github would take away some entry barrier for most user IMO. On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:47 AM Erazem Kokot wrot

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Erazem Kokot
> This is true, but at the same time, this is 'yet another method to > learn', while nowadays a vast group of users are quite proficient and > used to github and similar. Using something a la github would take > away some entry barrier for most user IMO. Although I understand what you mean, I don'

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread J Rt
I agree with you, and I suppose most of this discussion is becoming an interesting pros and cons weighting of different approaches :) I definitely think that everything is a question of tradeoffs, and the point made by 'pro github' participants here is that it is quite likely that github is de fact

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Ondřej Synáček
Yes it is interesting conversation indeed. The point made about non-technical users not able to report bugs is a good one, although I still think that can be solved by email as well (just a regular form and the contents could get posted to this mailing list or different one). If people here ar

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread J Rt
Yes, I agree with you. For me it looks like the 'no github' people have the following main arguments: - github is company owned -> true, and your point about self-hosted gitlab may be a very good answer. The other thing is, even if it is a company, everybody still have their local copies of the co

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Erazem Kokot
> Yes it is interesting conversation indeed. The point made about > non-technical users not able to report bugs is a good one, although I > still think that can be solved by email as well (just a regular form and > the contents could get posted to this mailing list or different one). > > If people

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Ondřej Synáček
But still, “meteorite” users would probably have to sign up for account to post a Gitlab issue. If we’re debating this one, it’s the friction of signing up for mailing list vs. signing up for Gitlab account. I think signing up for mailing list is easier and less frictionless. Not sure if Gitla

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Erazem Kokot
> Not sure if Gitlab allows for anonymous issue submission. They do have > API though so you could still have a form somewhere that would put it > inside Gitlab. They do have something like that, but it requires the user to send an email to a special address and it's annoying to set up, so like yo

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Matthieu Weber
On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 11:13AM +0200, Nicolai Dagestad wrote: > > If people here are against proprietary Github, why not just use > > self-hosted Gitlab solution? Personally I prefer Gitlab over GH but both > > are good. > > The probleme with having your own selfhosted of gitlab or gitea instance

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Phil
> subscribing and posting on a mailing list is way easier Just a few days ago I had to register at this mailing list to respond to an older thread. Does anyone how you accomplish that? I searched a bit if I could get mailman to send me a thread again, didn't find an option. Figured I can view-sour

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Erazem Kokot
> Just a few days ago I had to register at this mailing list to respond > to an older thread. Does anyone how you accomplish that? > I searched a bit if I could get mailman to send me a thread again, > didn't find an option. Figured I can view-source the web-archive to > find the correct header so

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread J Rt
> > Just a few days ago I had to register at this mailing list to respond > > to an older thread. Does anyone how you accomplish that? > > I searched a bit if I could get mailman to send me a thread again, > > didn't find an option. Figured I can view-source the web-archive to > > find the correct

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Nicolai Dagestad
> This is true, but at the same time, this is 'yet another method to > learn', while nowadays a vast group of users are quite proficient and > used to github and similar. Using something a la github would take > away some entry barrier for most user IMO. Yes, but github is prorietary, and for me a

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Nicolai Dagestad
> If people here are against proprietary Github, why not just use > self-hosted Gitlab solution? Personally I prefer Gitlab over GH but both > are good. The probleme with having your own selfhosted of gitlab or gitea instance is that, as far a I know, it would require everybody to create an accou

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread pedro.frazao
Hi, I'm a frequent user of "pass". I never sent a path, report a bug, or request any functionality. But I like to read the mailing list, to know about the evolution of this great software. :-) I have a github account, but I'll not follow a discussion there. Probably a mailing list is not the

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Brian Exelbierd
On Fri, May 22, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Ondřej Synáček wrote: > But still, “meteorite” users would probably have to sign up for > account to post a Gitlab issue. If we’re debating this one, it’s the > friction of signing up for mailing list vs. signing up for Gitlab > account. > I think signing up

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread yanchenko.i...@gmail.com
Just wanted to add my 2 cents into discussion. The beauty of open source that anyone who has enough resources can create a fork and maintain it, and send patches to upstream, eventually the repository which has more contributors will become upstream itself. Those who want to prove that github will

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Remus Buzatu
Perfectly said ! > On 22 May 2020, at 20:11, yanchenko.i...@gmail.com wrote: > > Just wanted to add my 2 cents into discussion. The beauty of open > source that anyone who has enough resources can create a fork and > maintain it, and send patches to upstream, eventually the repository > which ha

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Brian Exelbierd
On Fri, May 22, 2020, at 6:11 PM, yanchenko.i...@gmail.com wrote: > Just wanted to add my 2 cents into discussion. The beauty of open > source that anyone who has enough resources can create a fork and > maintain it, and send patches to upstream, eventually the repository > which has more contr

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Erazem Kokot
> Just wanted to add my 2 cents into discussion. The beauty of open > source that anyone who has enough resources can create a fork and > maintain it, and send patches to upstream, eventually the repository > which has more contributors will become upstream itself. Those who > want to prove that gi

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread yanchenko.i...@gmail.com
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 6:29 PM Erazem Kokot wrote: > > While what you said is mostly true, forking a project without a good > reason (e.g. the old one being abandoned) doesn't benefit the old > project. Also forking a project without the permission of the original > owner would mean that fork bei

Re: curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

2020-05-22 Thread Ismael Bouya
For what it’s worth opensmtpd has this kind of process. You can propose PR/issues on their github mirror, but PRs never get "merged" per github naming, they take the commit and publish it on their repo (which is CVS in openbsd or something like that). Main difference is that (I think) the maintaine