RE: [PAYCO] Letter to PAC Members attached
Thanks for the positive contribution.it elevate thediscusions beyond pettiness. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of matome Sent: 07 June 2014 05:19 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Letter to PAC Members attached Sent from my BlackBerry® _ From: Matome Mashao matomemas...@ymail.com Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 13:52:15 +0100 (BST) To: mmas...@webmail.co.zammas...@webmail.co.za ReplyTo: Matome Mashao matomemas...@ymail.com Subject: Letter to PAC Members attached -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [PAYCO] 8th Pan African Congress
Wits university Regards, Narius Moloto General Secretary BCAWU Tel: 011 333 0881 Fax: 086 520 0413 E-mail: g...@bcawu.co.za -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Xola Sent: 14 January 2014 03:12 PM To: PAYCO Subject: [PAYCO] 8th Pan African Congress Sons and daughters of Africa Anyone with the exact venue (address/campus) of the above mentioned event? Regards XT Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [PAYCO] LAND DISCUSSION SABC 2
Comerade Bongani keith your input about the wage settlement in the construction industry is wrong and misleading.what you said about bcawu accepting meagre wage.in so far as bcawu is concerned there is no settlement in the civil engineering,we are still at the negotiating table.but ur propanganda gives readers wrong jnformation. Regards, Narius Moloto General Secretary BCAWU Tel: 011 333 0881 Fax: 086 520 0413 E-mail: g...@bcawu.co.za -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bongani Keith Sent: 20 September 2013 11:17 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] LAND DISCUSSION SABC 2 I have been informed by such victory of workers under NUM while BCAWU accepted meagre increase that vindicates the notion of many we strongly know that workers struggles in comprador burgeous comrades who sleep with corporate bosses which is NUM, BCAWU etc are examples of such in this case NUM is a victor against BCAWU it's a crucial lesson for revolutionaries. On 9/20/13, Tongogara Ndima ndimatongog...@gmail.com wrote: Izwe lethu M'Afrika Comrade Masoga and BCAWU comrades please clarify this statement, some of us are worried because it seems NACTU and its affiliates have become yellow trade union not fighting exploitation of workers. The National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) has yet again scored a major victory in the construction sector, persuading employers through a three week long hard-hitting strike action to accede to further increases. The construction companies had earlier entered into a wage agreement with the Building, Construction and Allied Workers Union (BCAWU) for an increase of between 8 and 10% which the NUM rejected. The construction companies as represented by the South African Federation of Civil Engineering Contractors (SAFCEC) yesterday acceded to the NUM 's demands and granted the workers increments of up to 12%, ending the three week long strike action that halted major power built programmes. This is a major victory for us. Our members stood firm and we congratulate them for the firmness says Isaac Ntshangase, the NUM 's Construction Sector Coordinator. Workers were able to see who is fooling whom and joined the NUM massively from BCAWU he says. And can you also explain if NACTU and all its affiliates will support and campaign workers to vote PAC next year elections! Izwe Ndima On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Mphiri Masoga mphi...@gmail.com wrote: Check Dedoorens land issue discussion. Kind Regards Mphiri Masoga SACWU -Original Message- From: Mphiri Masoga mphi...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:40:06 To: a...@pac.org.za; Sbusiso Xabasbusisox...@gmail.com; Albert Mokoena mokoen...@workmail.co.za; 0825164...@vodamail.co.za; Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudinrkgag...@gmail.com; d...@pac.org.za; g...@bcawu.co.za g...@bcawu.co.za; Jabu Makhanyajabumakha...@yahoo.com; Thulani Khumalo tkhumal...@yahoo.com; payco@googlegroups.compayco@googlegroups.com; pactshw...@googlegroup.co. Reply-To: mphi...@gmail.com Subject: Fw: REGISTER at our nearest IEC... REGISTER at our nearest IEC offices! It is your right to vote #2014Elections! Please register and vote PAC! SMS YES for PAC to contact or visit you in your area. Can we attempt and Register with all networks to fund raise for 2014 elections. Those with good IT skills can you come on board and assist? I have learned from Vhararists who send it to my wife. We can also send sms'es to all NACTU Affiliates, Friends, Neighbours all we know. Kind Regards Mphiri Masoga SACWU -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message
RE: [PAYCO] FW: internal Memo
You are out of order maleka go to your branch you cant pac on the social network.there no differences .the nec took decision in terms of the provisions of its constitution.opportunists and armed chair revolutionary resurrected everywhere.nec decisions are not subject of public opinion on social network by people who have little or no information because they are not part of party structures.the nec may decisions are now history.we are talking about new issues not the old stuff.what we are talking about is party unity at all levels.provincial congresses of eastern cape,Limpopo,Gauteng and western cape.we are also preparing for annual national conference starting 8 to 11 august 2013. Regards, Narius Moloto General Secretary BCAWU Tel: 011 333 0881 Fax: 086 520 0413 E-mail: g...@bcawu.co.za -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a.r.mal...@gmail.com Sent: 28 June 2013 08:14 PM To: nrkgag...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: internal Memo MOAFRICA I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING FOR QUITE SOMETIME,IT IS SO PAINFULL TO SEE MY BELOVED ORGANISATION IN THIS STATE.WHY CAN'T THOSE GUYS AT NEC BURRY THEIR DIFERENCES AND WORK FOR THE PARTY.WE ONLY HAVE ONE SEAT IN PARLIAMENT BUT EVERYTIME ITS PAC NEC WANT THIS AND THAT.MY FELLOW AFRICANS LET STOP BEING LIKE THE CHARTERISTS.SOME OF ARE IN THE PAC WITH THE WHOLE FAMILY WE DONT KNOW OTHER PARTY THAN PAC OF AZANIA.COME ON CHILDREN OF THE SOIL.IZWE LETHU -- Sent via Nokia Email --Original message-- From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com To: i...@bataufc.com,d...@pac.org.za,bennet_j...@yahoo.com,isaacl@diplomat sa.co.za,paccapeme...@webmail.co.za,rammymfulw...@gmail.com,ratebogo@w ebmail.co.za,smiz...@hotmail.com,smollozo...@gmail.com,bassiekamana@fa cebook.com,mphah...@eskom.co.za,mvakalijust...@gmail.com,vakele mkandawire mvak...@gmail.com,nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com,rako...@tut.ac.za,Andiswa Mjali mja...@pac.org.za,wgaj...@gmail.com,bulang...@gmail.com,mabitseladavi d...@gmail.com,emadzu...@yahoo.com,Malinge Plaatjie malingeplaat...@yahoo.com,makgaledisamphahl...@yahoo.com,patrick.khumal o...@ekurhuleni.gov.za,milesndl...@yahoo.com,montja...@yahoo.com,takalani ligeg...@gmail.com,tamulau...@hotmail.com,apap...@webmail.co.za,angwat l...@webmail.co.za,anwar.ad...@capetown.gov.za,Lehlohonolo Shale lehlohonolosh...@yahoo.com,lennox.maqw...@gmail.com,leoniea@mpi.metropo litan.co.za,sibusiso.x...@gmail.com,tob...@yahoo.com,phillipdhlamini@y ahoo.com,phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za,APLAMVA LIMPOMPO aplamval...@gmail.com,aplamvanatio...@gmail.com,kwamendeb...@webmail.co .za,luyand...@gmail.com,jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com,kutie.thondlana@dov es.co.za,kub...@telkomsa.net,vumilemof...@yahoo.com,payco@googlegroups .com,samuel.zw...@ekurhuleni.gov.za,baldwin.nd...@inl.co.za,hotelicca@ iburst.co.za,headoff...@sacwu.org.za,mnyhon...@yahoo.com,nrkgagudi@gma il.com,maiv...@pac.org.za,digashuma...@gmail.com,samrad...@upd.co.za, dannymonar...@gmail.com,khoi.so...@gmail.com,a...@a-aprp-gc.org,AliH@j oburg.org.za,frazer.sm...@webmail.co.za,drmotsokoph...@drmotsokopheko.co m,victor.serakal...@dcs.gov.za,ntsiemohl...@gmail.com,mphasham1@webmai l.co.za,ckoms...@yahoo.com,leratolepha...@ymail.com,ju-...@webmail.co. za,solomoncontrac...@gmail.com,nancykob...@webmail.co.za,zndeka@hotmai l.com,crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za,ndhlo...@pac.org.za,ikeyisaacs@gma il.com,oscarfelit...@gmail.com,gordon.mpi...@gmail.com,sibekowilliam@y ahoo.com,Vusi Mahlangu vemahla...@gmail.com,rakwe...@yahoo.com,tyamza...@yahoo.com,jabumakha n...@yahoo.com,yolisamazo...@gmail.com,rmse...@gmail.com Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 10:52:13 AM GMT+0200 Subject: [PAYCO] FW: internal Memo The Internal Memorandum dated 27th June 2013 signed by Narius Moloto Secretary General, paragraph 5 states the following: The members are encouraged to have reference to Rule 49 of the Uniform Rules of Court, read with the Supreme Court Act 59 of 59 states the following :- Where an appeal has been noted or an application for leave to appeal against or to rescind, correct, review or vary an order of a court has been made, the operation and execution of the order in question shall be suspended. Noting that Rule 49 is incomplete as it can be seen above (the operation and execution of the order in question shall be suspended.!). I then complied with the memo as it instructs, below it is the complete Section 49 Sub-Titled Civil Appeals from the High Court. Legislation updated to: 26 June 2009 UNIFORM RULES OF COURT1* RULES REGULATING THE CONDUCT OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE SEVERAL PROVINCIAL AND LOCAL DIVISIONS OF THE HIGH COURT OF SOUTH AFRICA 49 Civil Appeals from the High Court (1) (a) When leave to appeal is required, it may on a statement of the grounds therefor be requested at the time of the judgment or order. Section (11) States that Where an appeal has been noted or an application
RE: [PAYCO] Leaderless
Give substance for your suggestion mr makhanya.have you now replaced pac branches and congress?pac leaders are elected and removed my the membersof the party in goodstanding at the cogress.agents of destruction who get their mandate from the enemies of the pac totaly disregard the constitutional provision of the pac.you don't have the standing to make such a call. Regards, Narius Moloto General Secretary BCAWU Tel: 011 333 0881 Fax: 086 520 0413 E-mail: g...@bcawu.co.za -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jabumakha...@yahoo.com Sent: 06 March 2013 02:14 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Leaderle It has always been to the expectations that the PAC NEC would from time-to-time re-act to developing events both local and international but to the emb arassment of the PAC members the party remains leaderless. Of lately, Hugo Chavez is no more, Marikana and farms strikes swept the country, e-tolls debacle is causing headache, fuel-price hikes which can be subsidized is reaping havoc. The so called party leaders are comfortably silent. Which other tools do they need to steer the masses. Letlapa Mphahlele appears to be a walking dead-man, his SG, Narius Moloto is obssessed with power working for more than three organisation as the secretary-general, this is madness. He cannot issue at least a three-lines media statement re-affirm ing PAC policies. With the exception of other NEC members who are trying to save the PAC, the entire top-six must step aside, they're completely useless for the party progress. They 've to recall that they enforced Butterworth congress and they contested their current positions willingly and knowingly about challenges ahead. They have sold out, let them go! Jabu -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [PAYCO] INCLUSIVE
Thank you for raising this question.the party message to its members is that they must belong to the basic structure of the pac which is a branch.the party branches are wardbased.once that is done,the framework to actively participate in party activities exist.the formular of attending party congresses and conferences is prescribed in the party constitution.for every twenty members of a branch in good standing there shall be one delegate.regarding the groups you are right although outdated a bit.people are continueing to work so hard to devide our party.but the general mode in and around the party is for both discipline and party unity.the forces of divisions are being exposed and become weaker by the day.given their sources,origin and nature we don't expect them to go away voluntarily on their own.party members must defeat them.we do have reliable data today in the pac,we know our members and our branches.all launched branches except two participate in Johannesburg region which has always been there.pac is not a private organisation,it is is a public and open party and its members must see through.particularly those with good intentions.we are at a critical stage of our organisational development we just cannot allow anyone to sidetrack us.people must not at the last minutes try tricks,be part of the party structure that works and comply or you choose to remain outside. Regards, Narius Moloto General Secretary BCAWU Tel: 011 333 0881 Fax: 086 520 0413 E-mail: g...@bcawu.co.za -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lphany...@gmail.com Sent: 18 February 2013 05:12 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] INCLUSIVE Dear Cde SG of the Pac!! Its me again cde lebohang Phanyeko. I'm not bordering you with questions of factionalism but concerned of our beloved movement since you are the engine of the organization. I'm a jhb resident and pac member. My questions will be based on things that are happening into the jhb region and we're all for a socialist idea. 1. How are going to deal with the matter of inclusiveness in the next pac national conference, since jhb its having unresolved matters especially to the legitimate REC? 2. Is it possible to address this matter post conference calling all this camps in Jhb Mxolisi and Hloni, so that we have a solid foundation to the next coming conference, becos we don't wana see people complaining and all members of Pac are important in this current challenges we're facing as an revolutionary movement... Yours for a Socialist State in Azania!! Lebo Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [PAYCO] PAC POSITION TOWARDS PAYCO CONGRESS
We are talking to them at the moment. Regards, Narius Moloto General Secretary BCAWU Tel: 011 333 0881 Fax: 086 520 0413 E-mail: g...@bcawu.co.za -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lphany...@gmail.com Sent: 13 February 2013 03:06 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] PAC POSITION TOWARDS PAYCO CONGRESS Dear Cde Narius Moloto!! What is Pac position towards the Payco congress to be held next month? I'm very worried seeing former Pacyl leaders claiming to be Payco national coordinators, whilst we know very well that the is legitimate leadership who can emerge or not be elected by members of payco in a democratic manner.. Where these so called coordinators elected during the multi party forum meeting or by individuals to give them a taste of leadership... It seems like the is confusion to this power monger coordinators, about the current payco position.. Yours for a Socialist State of Azania Lebo Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [PAYCO] PAC POSITION TOWARDS PAYCO CONGRESS
It is because payco is a component structure of the pac,this this means they are supposed to be members of the pac in good standanting.pac youth was devided in different formations.it is in the pac interest that we bring everyone who is affected and willing together.that is how my office comes in.it is to ensure that the pac youth is united.as you may aware pac is working on party unity. Regards, Narius Moloto General Secretary BCAWU Tel: 011 333 0881 Fax: 086 520 0413 E-mail: g...@bcawu.co.za -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jaki Seroke Sent: 14 February 2013 11:05 AM To: lphany...@gmail.com ; PAYCO forum Subject: Re: [PAYCO] PAC POSITION TOWARDS PAYCO CONGRESS Cde Lebo I find it difficult to grasp the primary issue PAYCO and the Narius Moloto's office are trying to resolve. Are they working out a merger of PAYCO and PAC Youth League on the basis of the Ga-Matlala congress amended constitution that is now resorted to by the PAC establishment? Is the PAYCO leadership structure undemocratic and illegitimate constitutionally that it must be called to stand down, and a new mandate be sought at a properly called conference? Is the PAC establishment overseeing this process and what are the terms of reference? What are the cardinal principles that guides all the participants (to achieve the objectives and the primary issue) and who accounts to whom? Is this a closed affair or an arbitrary process? These questions of clarity should be attended to by PAYCO leadership as we know it. Moloto as a party bureaucrat will probably give orders from his office, and expect party members to oblige. You and the Azanian youth movement should tell us what it is that holds back your political programme and how you are resolving your problems. In fact, what really is the primary issue at stake. Izwe lethu iAfrika. Jaki Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: lphany...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:06:07 To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] PAC POSITION TOWARDS PAYCO CONGRESS Dear Cde Narius Moloto!! What is Pac position towards the Payco congress to be held next month? I'm very worried seeing former Pacyl leaders claiming to be Payco national coordinators, whilst we know very well that the is legitimate leadership who can emerge or not be elected by members of payco in a democratic manner.. Where these so called coordinators elected during the multi party forum meeting or by individuals to give them a taste of leadership... It seems like the is confusion to this power monger coordinators, about the current payco position.. Yours for a Socialist State of Azania Lebo Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com http://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [PAYCO] PAC POSITION TOWARDS PAYCO CONGRESS
There is nothing better than talking in resolving differences and deciding the future. Regards, Narius Moloto General Secretary BCAWU Tel: 011 333 0881 Fax: 086 520 0413 E-mail: g...@bcawu.co.za -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lphany...@gmail.com Sent: 14 February 2013 04:43 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] PAC POSITION TOWARDS PAYCO CONGRESS If such steps, r taken by leadership we'll support that becos we don't subscribe to factionalism, so maybe u can unpack to us as the youth. How come was pitso elected to be a National coordinator of payco or is he day dreaming or what? Becos on his post he sounds like someone who is having Pac leadership support Word of advise Cde Narius and the entire Pac leadership, payco will take its solidarity and political position into Pac politics and other issues affecting the youth in the next congress. But whilst we're still having self proclaim coordinators of payco I doubt we'll be united... That boy must just succumb and adhere to the legitimate leadership.. Yours for a Socialist State in Azania Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device -Original Message- From: Narius Moloto g...@bcawu.co.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:34:47 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PAC POSITION TOWARDS PAYCO CONGRESS It is because payco is a component structure of the pac,this this means they are supposed to be members of the pac in good standanting.pac youth was devided in different formations.it is in the pac interest that we bring everyone who is affected and willing together.that is how my office comes in.it is to ensure that the pac youth is united.as you may aware pac is working on party unity. Regards, Narius Moloto General Secretary BCAWU Tel: 011 333 0881 Fax: 086 520 0413 E-mail: g...@bcawu.co.za -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jaki Seroke Sent: 14 February 2013 11:05 AM To: lphany...@gmail.com ; PAYCO forum Subject: Re: [PAYCO] PAC POSITION TOWARDS PAYCO CONGRESS Cde Lebo I find it difficult to grasp the primary issue PAYCO and the Narius Moloto's office are trying to resolve. Are they working out a merger of PAYCO and PAC Youth League on the basis of the Ga-Matlala congress amended constitution that is now resorted to by the PAC establishment? Is the PAYCO leadership structure undemocratic and illegitimate constitutionally that it must be called to stand down, and a new mandate be sought at a properly called conference? Is the PAC establishment overseeing this process and what are the terms of reference? What are the cardinal principles that guides all the participants (to achieve the objectives and the primary issue) and who accounts to whom? Is this a closed affair or an arbitrary process? These questions of clarity should be attended to by PAYCO leadership as we know it. Moloto as a party bureaucrat will probably give orders from his office, and expect party members to oblige. You and the Azanian youth movement should tell us what it is that holds back your political programme and how you are resolving your problems. In fact, what really is the primary issue at stake. Izwe lethu iAfrika. Jaki Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: lphany...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:06:07 To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] PAC POSITION TOWARDS PAYCO CONGRESS Dear Cde Narius Moloto!! What is Pac position towards the Payco congress to be held next month? I'm very worried seeing former Pacyl leaders claiming to be Payco national coordinators, whilst we know very well that the is legitimate leadership who can emerge or not be elected by members of payco in a democratic manner.. Where these so called coordinators elected during the multi party forum meeting or by individuals to give them a taste of leadership... It seems like the is confusion to this power monger coordinators, about the current payco position.. Yours for a Socialist State of Azania Lebo Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com http://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http
RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: RE: Mkhwananzi Documents by Prof SR Shabalala
In the end it is the family which decide where they want the funeral to take place.the frustrations and unhappiness is fully understood.but the family decisions must be respected. Regards, Narius Moloto General Secretary BCAWU Tel: 011 333 0881 Fax: 086 520 0413 E-mail: mailto:g...@bcawu.co.za g...@bcawu.co.za From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of vusie Sent: 04 January 2013 04:17 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: RE: Mkhwananzi Documents by Prof SR Shabalala Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 Original Message Subject: RE: Mkhwananzi Documents by Prof SR Shabalala From: Dedanizizwe Shabalala productiongem...@yahoo.com To: vu...@telkomsa.net,phindilex...@yahoo.com,mwnar...@mweb.com,lauretta.ngcobo@ gmail.com,luyand...@gmail.com,desta...@lantic.net,sizan...@mweb.co.za,pasika nontsh...@yahoo.com CC: Please find attached the documents written by Prof. SR Shabalala for your reading. Regards Mr. D Shabalala -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com image003.jpg
RE: [PAYCO] Myth of PAC branches
Criticism appreciated we should share experiences of the actual situation on the ground inclusive of what is working and what is not working.in the urban cities a ward has an average of 15000 people.and in the rural an average of 3000 people.the current pac constitution require only 20 members to form a pac branch.personaly i still prefer a branch with 50 members.whereever i worked with the sole purpose of achieving this objective i succecded.it is not without challenges though.during the days of underground we used those small structures such as cells and units etc.but once political paties are unbanned you cannot keep on organising small numbers.however if you think it is a better and effective method of work why don't you employ it and share your experiences with us?we need not being dogmatic on issues of practice.as long as the initiatives takes us forward and do not undermine the constitution of the pac but complimenting it. The general problems of pac members is that they dont even try.they dont recruit,they dont hold meetings with members and they dont follow any programme of action as a results they dont grow in the party.my challenge to all pac members is that let them start where they are and let them invite us to help them with the difficulties they are coming across.i enjoy the challenges and the difficulties assocciated with building the party structures.for me this is the real opportunity of members and cadres to grow.in june this year pac would have grown by 500%,not only in terms of numbers but structures.so let talk while working at the sametime. Regards, Narius Moloto General Secretary BCAWU Tel: 011 333 0881 Fax: 086 520 0413 E-mail: g...@bcawu.co.za -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of linda ndebele Sent: 03 January 2013 01:22 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Myth of PAC branches Greetings SG, Your response is appreciated, although in my view you are taking a ostrich approach in looking at this issue hoping that this will dissipate on its own, this will not assist the organization. I and PAYCO were among the overwhelming party members of the party who called for the return of 2000 PAC constitution and constitutionality in our party. We know quite well that PAC basic structure is a branch. To us the call for return to constitutionality was not just a call for compliance, we wanted our actions, conduct and organization to be founded and embedded not only on constitutional provisions but principles as well. The argument here is that at this juncture PAC does not have branches established as per the constitution and duties assigned to branches. Branches exist for elections and party Congresses. Branches are not involved in the day to day challenges of communities it exist in. PAC branches hardly have plans of action to direct their activities and political programmes. I maintain a view that the whole concept of branches has not been tested its relevance and effectiveness. In order to arrest the cancer of fly-by-night branches proper measures have to be put in place to examine the effectiveness of branches, legitimacy and actual head count of the so called members. At this juncture leaders in the PAC are parachuted to leadership using fly-by-night branches. Elements who are known to be anti-party unity and who have done absolutely nothing with regard to party building continue to lead the party, ofcourse this was inherited by this leadership, the only worry is that instead of eliminating it, it is perfecting it. To me the concept members in good standing is just but one element of the big lie. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Narius Moloto g...@bcawu.co.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:53:14 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Myth of PAC branches The constitution of the pac govern the organisation of the party.the basic structure of the organisation of the pac is the local branch.if things were not done in terms of the pac constitution such practices were wrong and should not be condoned.everybody called for the return to constitutionality of the running of the party because without it we have chaose and anarchy.it is not a myth to be a member of the party in goodstanding and to belong to a local branch,this is infact a show of commitment to the party.this argument is very unfortunate.members of the party need not to have fear as long as they comply with the party constitution. It must however be made clear that only party members from party branches in good standing shall take part in the business of the pac.this are the disciplined members of our party.everyone has an opportunity to go and organise a local branch and experience how it is like to do party work.party members have a duty to do party work amongst the masses,this is what shapes party members
RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA???
We need to clear lies and their intentions.this platform and cetain smses were spreading wrong and misleading information about the name change.let us agree this are the agents whos intention is to sow confusion and arnachy. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dzumbu Mmbara Sent: 09 February 2011 12:48 PM To: PAYCO Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? MuAfurika Narius, Regardless of what the President proposed to change; a question which has been bothering me is that where did the President or whosoever approached the IEC get the mandate to change details of the PAC with the IEC? What was the process? I will appreciate your attention to that question and believe your response will provide clarity to members of the party and this forum in general. Shango Lashu, Dzumbu _ From: g...@bcawu.co.za To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:56:03 +0200 It is a dirty propanda and lies.the pac president did not change the name of the organisation.go and buy the gorverment garzet and stop propagating rubbish. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sebenzile Mlaza Sent: 07 February 2011 10:05 AM To: 'payco@googlegroups.com' Subject: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Revolutionary greetings all, PACOSA equals Pan African Congress of South Africa, that is how the redundant acronym would be if megalomaniac Letlapa gets his way, sounding like a name of a students organization concocted by a bunch of politically disoriented sophomores. This cannot be an organ of Africanists when the marrow is sapped out of the bone where the name Azania is located. This will render professor Boshoff's meticulous research on the name Azania without cartilage, work of a compradorial ex-soldier-cum-unwanted presiding president. Because of a matrimony of convenience entered into at The World Trade Centre in Kempton Park between the ruling party and the white racist oppressor, the constitutional acceptance of the geographical position of our country for a name will be always berated by Africanists and BCMA supporters collectively. That is why we are not taken aback by the bastardization of our National Anthem, it is one of the results of that marriage. Names don't just fall like manna from heaven, they have their root cause. We can hear dead boer leaders, Andries Pretorius, Piet and Marais concur in their infernal graves whom cities like Pretoria, Pietermaritzburg or Maritzburg are named after. The PAC of Azania is not 99 years younger, its ideals are as old as the continent itself, the continent known as Ophir in the Hebrew Bible. All African Congress of South Africans, that is what Letlapa and his lackeys redundant name will suggest, a congress of delusional cadres trying to board a train that has since moved and left the platform. Their byzantine ruse to ruin the PAC befit them to be named what they really are - COMPRADORES, and indeed unengaging compradores on issues on national importance. We dare those who do not agree to throw their rebuttals into the fray. Izwe Lethu . i-Afrika!! Zibonele Zondo Sebenzile Mlaza. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3427 - Release Date: 02/06/11 21:34:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3431 - Release Date: 02/08/11 21:34:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA???
I don't have a horn.talk later. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sebenzile Mlaza Sent: 09 February 2011 02:26 PM To: 'payco@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? I'll provide you an appropriate surrejonder befitting your stature, for now you may proceed and blow your own little horn as usual. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Narius Moloto Sent: 09 February 2011 02:09 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? We need to clear lies and their intentions.this platform and cetain smses were spreading wrong and misleading information about the name change.let us agree this are the agents whos intention is to sow confusion and arnachy. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dzumbu Mmbara Sent: 09 February 2011 12:48 PM To: PAYCO Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? MuAfurika Narius, Regardless of what the President proposed to change; a question which has been bothering me is that where did the President or whosoever approached the IEC get the mandate to change details of the PAC with the IEC? What was the process? I will appreciate your attention to that question and believe your response will provide clarity to members of the party and this forum in general. Shango Lashu, Dzumbu _ From: g...@bcawu.co.za To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:56:03 +0200 It is a dirty propanda and lies.the pac president did not change the name of the organisation.go and buy the gorverment garzet and stop propagating rubbish. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sebenzile Mlaza Sent: 07 February 2011 10:05 AM To: 'payco@googlegroups.com' Subject: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Revolutionary greetings all, PACOSA equals Pan African Congress of South Africa, that is how the redundant acronym would be if megalomaniac Letlapa gets his way, sounding like a name of a students organization concocted by a bunch of politically disoriented sophomores. This cannot be an organ of Africanists when the marrow is sapped out of the bone where the name Azania is located. This will render professor Boshoff's meticulous research on the name Azania without cartilage, work of a compradorial ex-soldier-cum-unwanted presiding president. Because of a matrimony of convenience entered into at The World Trade Centre in Kempton Park between the ruling party and the white racist oppressor, the constitutional acceptance of the geographical position of our country for a name will be always berated by Africanists and BCMA supporters collectively. That is why we are not taken aback by the bastardization of our National Anthem, it is one of the results of that marriage. Names don't just fall like manna from heaven, they have their root cause. We can hear dead boer leaders, Andries Pretorius, Piet and Marais concur in their infernal graves whom cities like Pretoria, Pietermaritzburg or Maritzburg are named after. The PAC of Azania is not 99 years younger, its ideals are as old as the continent itself, the continent known as Ophir in the Hebrew Bible. All African Congress of South Africans, that is what Letlapa and his lackeys redundant name will suggest, a congress of delusional cadres trying to board a train that has since moved and left the platform. Their byzantine ruse to ruin the PAC befit them to be named what they really are - COMPRADORES, and indeed unengaging compradores on issues on national importance. We dare those who do not agree to throw their rebuttals into the fray. Izwe Lethu . i-Afrika!! Zibonele Zondo Sebenzile Mlaza. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3427 - Release Date: 02/06/11 21:34:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3431 - Release Date: 02/08/11 21:34:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http
RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA???
It is a dirty propanda and lies.the pac president did not change the name of the organisation.go and buy the gorverment garzet and stop propagating rubbish. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sebenzile Mlaza Sent: 07 February 2011 10:05 AM To: 'payco@googlegroups.com' Subject: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Revolutionary greetings all, PACOSA equals Pan African Congress of South Africa, that is how the redundant acronym would be if megalomaniac Letlapa gets his way, sounding like a name of a students organization concocted by a bunch of politically disoriented sophomores. This cannot be an organ of Africanists when the marrow is sapped out of the bone where the name Azania is located. This will render professor Boshoff's meticulous research on the name Azania without cartilage, work of a compradorial ex-soldier-cum-unwanted presiding president. Because of a matrimony of convenience entered into at The World Trade Centre in Kempton Park between the ruling party and the white racist oppressor, the constitutional acceptance of the geographical position of our country for a name will be always berated by Africanists and BCMA supporters collectively. That is why we are not taken aback by the bastardization of our National Anthem, it is one of the results of that marriage. Names don't just fall like manna from heaven, they have their root cause. We can hear dead boer leaders, Andries Pretorius, Piet and Marais concur in their infernal graves whom cities like Pretoria, Pietermaritzburg or Maritzburg are named after. The PAC of Azania is not 99 years younger, its ideals are as old as the continent itself, the continent known as Ophir in the Hebrew Bible. All African Congress of South Africans, that is what Letlapa and his lackeys redundant name will suggest, a congress of delusional cadres trying to board a train that has since moved and left the platform. Their byzantine ruse to ruin the PAC befit them to be named what they really are - COMPRADORES, and indeed unengaging compradores on issues on national importance. We dare those who do not agree to throw their rebuttals into the fray. Izwe Lethu . i-Afrika!! Zibonele Zondo Sebenzile Mlaza. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3427 - Release Date: 02/06/11 21:34:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] Re: KA-PLAATJIE JOINS ANC
Justice that clause does not refer to political organisations.that clause has always been there. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of justice Sent: 15 June 2010 04:53 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: g...@bcawu.co.za Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Re: KA-PLAATJIE JOINS ANC Comrade Moloto The Pac constitution of 2008 states the following on membership: so does this encourage people to have dual membership? See point 3113. IS PAM POLICY CONSISTENT WITH PAC POLICY? WILL PA MEMBERS BE ALLOWED TO JOIN PAC WHILE THEY HOLD MEMBERSHIP IN PAM? JUST WONDERING 3. MEMBERSHIP 3.1 Qualification 3.1.1Membership shall be open to any African who: 3.1.1.1accepts the principles, programme and discipline of the PAC; 3.1.1.2is of the age of 15 years or above; 3.1.1.3is a member of any organisation whose policy is consistent with that of the PAC. The National Executive Committee (NEC) or the Annual National Conference/National Congress shall determine whether a certain organisation is consistent with the cause of the PAC or not. Hope i will get a fair and honest answer. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Narius Moloto Sent: 07 June 2010 02:07 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Re: KA-PLAATJIE JOINS ANC Chargein mabaso. Would you like to come back the pac?i do have an application form waiting for you.but you must resign from pam first. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chargein Mabaso Sent: 04 June 2010 04:26 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Re: KA-PLAATJIE JOINS ANC Cde Narius Evertime I read your contribution in this group makes me wonder what are your intentions. I sometimes wonder what makes so adamant about your wrong positions. Where are you paying your allegiance to? To the PAC you claim to be loyal to or to Letlapa, ...? You sound like a factionalist yorself. I challenge you, cde Narius, to respond directly to me now. Stop acting like some one with authority on issues on this group. Your utterances do not build even the Party you are claimimg to be loyal to. It is people like you who have cause serious divisions in PAC. When there is problem, they say there is none. I challenge you. Letlapa is 80 - 90% to be blame for the current mess in PAC. Please disprove my hypothesis with facts. In your response, do not take this engagement to be personal. Be objective. Every point must be backed with facts. Educate the rest of the member why you are not a factionalist by nature. I will show you why I believe you are a factionalist. Use my case why I left PAC and formed PAM in your input. Show the rest why do you think we were wrong and we are just a group of factionalists who are doomed to fail as you claim. I will respond back to you accordingly, man to man. I want us to be brutal frank to each other. Live nothing to back your case. Do not nurse my feelings I have a thick skin. Throw whatever punch you might have I will take it as it comes as a man. Bear in mind, we are not fighting, but teaching each other a lesson. I am not a liberal. I dont believe we must keep quiet for the sake of peace when things are bad. I am sick and tired of you stance, son of the soil while you are destructive. This authority that you have, where do you get it, son of the soil? Charge-in Mabaso (Oo-MCharge) PAM Deputy President On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Narius Moloto g...@bcawu.co.za wrote: I agree with you.thami did the right thing,his mission in the pac was accomplished and he went back home and he is happy to be home.those who believe in him will follow him.it http://him.it/ is time to evaluate everyone who was ever in the party leadership at some stage,the role they played then and what happened after they were voted out of those positions.where are they now and what are their relationship with the party they once led.that should give you an idea as to what went wrong.all leaders who did not come through the branches and party structures disappeares after their terms of office and have nothing to do with the party.when they appear is when some members of a faction pulls them in for a factional interest.that bring us to the question of wether it is a right thing to recircle leadership.its is my opinion that leadership of the party is a serious matter,that when you are given an opportunity to lead the party you must make good use of the opportunity.once it leaves it is gone,you may serve the party in some sort of capacity and supportive role.leadership cannot be recircled it is dangerous thing to do. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a...@joburg.org.za Sent: 02 June 2010 01:42 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Re: KA-PLAATJIE JOINS ANC This is not something to be disappointed
RE: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity
Thank you very much. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuma Andile Mangisa Sent: 08 June 2010 04:06 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity Sons and Daughters of Azania Afrcanists, this is something worth talking about and trying. I'm trying to change the topic for a while for us to continue breathing; may be there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully coming towards us not away from us. Please read the document carefully. I'm sure it will make sense to most of us. Izwe Lethu Chuma Andile Mangisa 0761277410 or 073 257 9480 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2924 - Release Date: 06/07/10 20:35:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] Re: KA-PLAATJIE JOINS ANC
Chargein mabaso. Would you like to come back the pac?i do have an application form waiting for you.but you must resign from pam first. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chargein Mabaso Sent: 04 June 2010 04:26 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Re: KA-PLAATJIE JOINS ANC Cde Narius Evertime I read your contribution in this group makes me wonder what are your intentions. I sometimes wonder what makes so adamant about your wrong positions. Where are you paying your allegiance to? To the PAC you claim to be loyal to or to Letlapa, ...? You sound like a factionalist yorself. I challenge you, cde Narius, to respond directly to me now. Stop acting like some one with authority on issues on this group. Your utterances do not build even the Party you are claimimg to be loyal to. It is people like you who have cause serious divisions in PAC. When there is problem, they say there is none. I challenge you. Letlapa is 80 - 90% to be blame for the current mess in PAC. Please disprove my hypothesis with facts. In your response, do not take this engagement to be personal. Be objective. Every point must be backed with facts. Educate the rest of the member why you are not a factionalist by nature. I will show you why I believe you are a factionalist. Use my case why I left PAC and formed PAM in your input. Show the rest why do you think we were wrong and we are just a group of factionalists who are doomed to fail as you claim. I will respond back to you accordingly, man to man. I want us to be brutal frank to each other. Live nothing to back your case. Do not nurse my feelings I have a thick skin. Throw whatever punch you might have I will take it as it comes as a man. Bear in mind, we are not fighting, but teaching each other a lesson. I am not a liberal. I dont believe we must keep quiet for the sake of peace when things are bad. I am sick and tired of you stance, son of the soil while you are destructive. This authority that you have, where do you get it, son of the soil? Charge-in Mabaso (Oo-MCharge) PAM Deputy President On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Narius Moloto g...@bcawu.co.za wrote: I agree with you.thami did the right thing,his mission in the pac was accomplished and he went back home and he is happy to be home.those who believe in him will follow him.it http://him.it/ is time to evaluate everyone who was ever in the party leadership at some stage,the role they played then and what happened after they were voted out of those positions.where are they now and what are their relationship with the party they once led.that should give you an idea as to what went wrong.all leaders who did not come through the branches and party structures disappeares after their terms of office and have nothing to do with the party.when they appear is when some members of a faction pulls them in for a factional interest.that bring us to the question of wether it is a right thing to recircle leadership.its is my opinion that leadership of the party is a serious matter,that when you are given an opportunity to lead the party you must make good use of the opportunity.once it leaves it is gone,you may serve the party in some sort of capacity and supportive role.leadership cannot be recircled it is dangerous thing to do. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a...@joburg.org.za Sent: 02 June 2010 01:42 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Re: KA-PLAATJIE JOINS ANC This is not something to be disappointed about. He did not walk the talk when he was Secretary for Education in Gauteng, shortsighted comrades parachuted him to Secretary General, and he did not walk the talk, founded his own party with Cde Tefo and could not organise a branch. This reflects on all of us who claim to be PAC. Ali Khangela Hlongwane Chief Curator: MuseuMAfricA 121 Bree Street Newtown 2001 Box 517 Newtown Tel:(011) 833 5624 Fax:(011)833 5636 Cell: 082 4639869 a...@joburg.org.za www.joburg.org.za http://www.joburg.org.za/ (This letter was sent electronically and is therefore not signed) Sembene sinethemba.mandy...@gmail.com Sent by: payco@googlegroups.com 06/02/2010 12:48 PM Please respond to payco To:Pan Africanist Youth Congress payco@googlegroups.com cc: Subject:[PAYCO] Re: KA-PLAATJIE JOINS ANC Comrades. I have been a follower of the said man's political life and can confirm that I am disappointed on him as both a man and a parent. The least said about this subject the better comrades believe me. Regards -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com http://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com/ _ The contents of this e-mail and any
RE: [PAYCO] Re: KA-PLAATJIE JOINS ANC
I agree with you.thami did the right thing,his mission in the pac was accomplished and he went back home and he is happy to be home.those who believe in him will follow him.it is time to evaluate everyone who was ever in the party leadership at some stage,the role they played then and what happened after they were voted out of those positions.where are they now and what are their relationship with the party they once led.that should give you an idea as to what went wrong.all leaders who did not come through the branches and party structures disappeares after their terms of office and have nothing to do with the party.when they appear is when some members of a faction pulls them in for a factional interest.that bring us to the question of wether it is a right thing to recircle leadership.its is my opinion that leadership of the party is a serious matter,that when you are given an opportunity to lead the party you must make good use of the opportunity.once it leaves it is gone,you may serve the party in some sort of capacity and supportive role.leadership cannot be recircled it is dangerous thing to do. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a...@joburg.org.za Sent: 02 June 2010 01:42 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Re: KA-PLAATJIE JOINS ANC This is not something to be disappointed about. He did not walk the talk when he was Secretary for Education in Gauteng, shortsighted comrades parachuted him to Secretary General, and he did not walk the talk, founded his own party with Cde Tefo and could not organise a branch. This reflects on all of us who claim to be PAC. Ali Khangela Hlongwane Chief Curator: MuseuMAfricA 121 Bree Street Newtown 2001 Box 517 Newtown Tel:(011) 833 5624 Fax:(011)833 5636 Cell: 082 4639869 a...@joburg.org.za www.joburg.org.za (This letter was sent electronically and is therefore not signed) Sembene sinethemba.mandy...@gmail.com Sent by: payco@googlegroups.com 06/02/2010 12:48 PM Please respond to payco To:Pan Africanist Youth Congress payco@googlegroups.com cc: Subject:[PAYCO] Re: KA-PLAATJIE JOINS ANC Comrades. I have been a follower of the said man's political life and can confirm that I am disappointed on him as both a man and a parent. The least said about this subject the better comrades believe me. Regards -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com _ The contents of this e-mail and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any one or make copies. Please note that the recipient must scan this e-mail and any attached files for viruses and the like. While we do everything possible to protect information from viruses,the City of Johannesburg accepts no liability of whatever nature for any loss, liability,damage or expense resulting directly or indirectly from the access and/or downloading of any files which are attached to this e-mail message. _ -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2911 - Release Date: 06/01/10 20:25:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] PAYCO VS PACyl ON SA FM
In the party building of the pac we agree with you.we spent lot of our enegy negatively either agaist each other or the party leadership.we continue to waiste our energy other than focusing on what must be done to rebuild the party.the party programme at the moment is to build party branches in every section or zone of our townships,suburburn and villages of our country.to mobilise our youth and focus them on youth issues.the same to our workers,atudents and women.we know what need to be done we must just to it.everybody must have learned by now that attacking each other get us nowhere. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phakamile Myakayaka Sent: 28 May 2010 11:03 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] PAYCO VS PACyl ON SA FM majoni ikhona ingxaki kwaye it is of gigantic propotion.i just listened to safm and i am not happy at all.solution:let's all meet and iron our differences in order to move forward as a strong force of african warriors on a revolutionary march to total emancipation of amaAfrica, uPAYCO makakhokhele i'm ready to loose blood for the african course IZWE LETHU! On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 7:49 AM, sp...@webmail.co.za wrote: I fully agree with you son there's no reason for us go public b'cause we are still denting our own image.But as I said the other day certain comrades in a road to score points -- South Africa's premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za http://www.webmail.co.za/ -- For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com http://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com/ -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2899 - Release Date: 05/27/10 20:30:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
[PAYCO] FW:
Leadership conundrum in the party and reference to incumbent regime. To the best of my knowledge almost all the people who served in the research unit including cde Jakie Seroke are former NEC members of the PAC. They served in the leadership of the PAC under different presidency of the PAC. I personaly served under cde Jakie when he was the secretary for political affairs. It was during those times that the PAC started its decline and the structures of the party faded away. Those leaders left the PAC poorer in party structures than they found it. When the research unit constituted itself, there was no platform for discussions of this positions in the party. The current president met with the research unit once after he took over, the research unit promised to come back to him with the work they have been doing and have since never returned. To date they still owes the leadership what they promised. It is therefore untrue and misleading to suggest that the leadership did not act on the documents provided by the Research Unit. By the time the research unit visited PAC president at PAC office at Ghandi Square, the research unit was fully briefed by the president on the state of the party and on what is being done by the leadership to correct the situation. Why the research group failed to comply with their own leadership and decided not to continue to relate to the party ? only them knows. When the research group met the president, they were also briefed about section 14(B) and the reason thereof. It is therefore wrong for cde Jakie to say PAC president kicked them in their teeth by implementing section 14(B). Alice Congress ended the rule by decree and it was composed of the PAC branches. The was no single PAC branch in good standing that was not invited. It is wrong to call a properly constituted PAC Congress wrong. The people who spew bile in public and blemish the revolutionary content and reputation of the PAC and betrayed the party are all those previous leadership who failed to build the party on the ground and rundown the party for more than fifteen years. Maybe cde Jakie should write what the previous leadership of the party including himself what he has achieve for the party during that time. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2909 - Release Date: 05/31/10 20:25:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
[PAYCO] FW:
The founding fathers of the PAC including uncle Zeph taught PAC members to submit themselves to the party and its discipline. To respect the code of conduct of the PAC. He taught us to subject ourselves to the party and that the PAC is above all of us, that the debate and discussions must take place in the party not outside the party. Criticism and self-criticism are tools used by the party to strengthen itself as long as it is inside the party and construction. Outside the party, they become indiscipline and bringing the party in disrepute. The aim of those who criticizes the party outside is to undermine and tarnish its image. The party founding fathers never taught anyone to try to run the party from outside the structures of the party. Membership of the PAC is renewable annually and all members are required to do so through their branches. You cannot revitalize the party when you operate outside the party structures. Such approaches undermines the party and its structures. You cannot protect and enrich the party while not a member of the structures of the PAC. That is sheer opportunism. There is no one who is above a branch. You cannot delegate yourself or take it upon yourself to deal with party matters without discussing your concerns with party structures that would be indiscipline and would not be allowed. We are not in beauty contest here. Individuals who can just go to the stage when they feel like doing so. We call upon disgruntled and frustrated individuals to go back to their branches, renew their membership and be part of the party branch programmes and do party work within their community. That is what we currently do and it constitutes party programme. The cadre ship and the leadership will emerge from the party work and programmes individual reputation have no room in the future leadership of the PAC. If you don't have a track record of constant work for the party and are not a branch member, service consistently on a branch, region and provincial programmes you forget about being a PAC leader at the national level, unless appointed by the president to provide expect input. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2909 - Release Date: 05/31/10 20:25:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
[PAYCO] FW:
From: PA [mailto:gs...@bcawu.co.za] Sent: 01 June 2010 04:16 PM To: g...@bcawu.co.za Subject: The founding fathers of the PAC including uncle Zeph taught PAC members to submit themselves to the party and its discipline. To respect the code of conduct of the PAC. He taught us to subject ourselves to the party and that the PAC is above all of us, that the debate and discussions must take place in the party not outside the party. Criticism and self-criticism are tools used by the party to strengthen itself as long as it is inside the party and constructIVE. Outside the party, they become indiscipline and bringing the party in disrepute. The aim of those who criticizes the party outside is to undermine and tarnish its image. The party founding fathers never taught anyone to try to run the party from outside the structures of the party. Membership of the PAC is renewable annually and all members are required to do so through their branches. You cannot revitalize the party when you operate outside the party structures. Such approaches undermines the party and its structures. You cannot protect and enrich the party while not a member of the structures of the PAC. That is sheer opportunism. There is no one who is above a branch. You cannot delegate yourself or take it upon yourself to deal with party matters without discussing your concerns with party structures that would be indiscipline and would not be allowed. We are not in beauty contest here. Individuals who can just go to the stage when they feel like doing so. We call upon disgruntled and frustrated individuals to go back to their branches, renew their membership and be part of the party branch programmes and do party work within their community. That is what we currently do and it constitutes party programme. The cadre ship and the leadership will emerge from the party work and programmes individual reputation have no room in the future leadership of the PAC. If you don't have a track record of constant work for the party and are not a branch member, service consistently on a branch, region and provincial programmes you forget about being a PAC leader at the national level, unless appointed by the president to provide expect input. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2909 - Release Date: 05/31/10 20:25:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity
We must establish the principles for party unity.unprincipled unity is artificial and unsestanable pac does need that.there is one pac and will always have one pac.since its inception pac always had factions and i just cant imagine pac without factions which thinks they are the real pac. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SOSO MASHILOANE Sent: 24 May 2010 09:01 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity Izwe Lethu Ma- Afrika I concur with the President of Payco with all the consultation process which needs to be followed however my biggest concern is that , who should be the initiator of this UNITY process? Is he or she going to be recognised by our so could factional structures (Both NTT the Pac which is under Letlapa) ? Lastly Ma - Afrika how far can we go for the sake of PAC to reach this common goal? I understand that some of our activist from the ranks and files of PAC history would always judge them harshly. Its time that we have viable, credible constituency base structures Yours in quest for Africanist cause Soso Mashiloane Former PASMA DSG 076 363 --- On Sun, 5/23/10, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mohlomph...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mohlomph...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 6:34 PM Mo Afrika Kwame Joni lets not make this issue of unity a shallow misdirected topic. Leadership of Letlapa is very much recognised in our constitutional institution . We cannot continue to disregard this fact. You can argue much on this issue, you can even give practical references to this issue but the trueth of the matter is that Letlapa's leadership is recognised not only by our neo liberal constitution, it is also recognised by the 40 000 plus people who voted PAC in the last election which remains questionable if you and your other comrades ever contributed or participated in that simple minority vote for PAC. So comrade you can shout at your loudest voice and only a handful of your faction will ever hear you. What remains to the majority of PAC comrades is that Payco is for the distruction of PAC based on their hate or rather a personal hate to Letlapa and others. This unity does not concern Letlapa and few others, it concern the majority of us who want to see a united PAC. Your excusses cannot be accepted. You are either for the unity of PAC or you are unti unity of PAC period. For Africanist Unity!! Viva PAC _ From: Dzumbu Mmbara dzu...@live.com To: PAYCO payco@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 11:27:49 AM Subject: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity http://payco.org.za/index.php/payco-members-forum/4-ideology-and-general-pol itics/11-indeed-pac-needs-unity 1 Hour, 50 Minutes ago Dear Africanists, Allow me to express my self on the issue of Unity talks as propagated and envisaged by party stalwarts like Johnson Mlambo, Dr Stanley Mogoba, Joe Mkhwanazi and other party founding members. The idea of unity and cohesion in the PAC is paramount and supported by PAYCO and surely by all in the PAC. Having said the above, as PAYCO we believe any talk of unity must be founded on shared common goals and driven by common desires. We stand for unity of purpose, hence we've been calling for unity of purpose and the adoption of a National Programme of Action that would drive and direct our programmes, activities and goals as an organisation. We share the concerns raised by the comrades who are propagating for Unity Talks, but we disagree with the approach adopted completely. We believe any attempt to handle party unity cannot succeed as long as those who lead that process are not brutally honest with those they are trying to unite. For starters, we have not heard these leaders denouncing factionalism that is fueled by Mphahlele in the party, rejecting the creation of parallel structures, physical assaults to party members, non distribution of party membership cards, disbandment of structures that refuse to support an Agenda to destroy the party and total disregard of party constitution. We expect those who lead this process to speak out against these destructive tendencies as they have been unashamed to attack PAYCO for its non support of the Unity Talks. PAYCO can also put on record that it has not been formally engaged on this matter , which is quite strage. You would normally expect that structures would be formally engaged individually on the objectives of the process and be given an opportunity to interrogate the entire process and to take into confidence its structures on the ground. This has not been the case with these Unity Talks. The main contenders have not been engaged, we've been hearing about the Unity Talks on Facebook and over the grapevine. We hold a view that this process has not been properly handled therefore cannot succeed to unite PAC. PAYCO also feels it was completely out of
RE: [Fwd: [PAYCO] BY - ELECTIONS IN GAUTENG PROVINCE (MOGALE CITY - KRUGERSDORP) Westonaria]
Comrades there is one fundemental principle here that serve as the base and depature point.organisational discipline.are you a member of the pac in good standinding?do you belong to an established branch of the party?does you branch have a massbased programme?in the party building department of the party this is what we use to seek to understand indiviual comrades trying to occupy a political space under the banner of the pac.this approach is helping us to identify opportunists and genuine comrades with good intention.we must also acknolegde that our party was and is still is highly inflitrated and that some of the people are making their living for disrupting and bringing the state of disorder in the pac.this people will never submit themselves to the party discipline or meet the above mentioned conditions.that is where everybody must start.in rebuilding the party we help the party structures to meet this requirements.there are common features of agents,they come from no branch of the party.they respect no structure and want to lead any grouping which is unstructural,critical but does absolutetly nothing.i am sure you will learn something from this so as to identify your friends and your enemies.if the party enemy is your friend there is something wrong with you. -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:11 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [Fwd: [PAYCO] BY - ELECTIONS IN GAUTENG PROVINCE (MOGALE CITY - KRUGERSDORP) Westonaria] Greetings comrade Masoga, I was pleased to see your contribution after a while,your love for PAC and commitment in seeing the PAC making a significant impact in the lives of our people is appreciated. The reconciliatory spirit of your contribution is acknowleged as well. I wish to assure you son of the soil that as PAYCO we remain loyal only to the PAC and our people,we serve no other master within the PAC and outside the party. I accept that we have been very robust in debates and very brutal in our attack to those who divide and promote factionalism in our movement and offer no apologies for our actions as they were correct and founded on revolutionary principles. Son of the soil like you we believe in unity,but ours is unity of purpose. We would not be blackmailed or blindfolded by the calls for unity at the expense of our party. We would not turn a blind eye on counter revolutionary activities just to be seen to be standing for unity. As comrades we should be frank with each other and point wrong doing in an instance to avoid colossal damage we find ourselves into today. If you are honest to yourself you will know that PAYCO has always been on the defense,we have been labelled sell-outs,agents provocatears,agents of Multinational companies,etc. We have remained steadfast on our principles and always avoided insults. Where comrades interpreted certain positions as insults I have continously cautioned PAYCO members against such behaviour. I think it is more revolutionary to identify the source of the problem and deal with it. It is not PAYCO that is suspending branches,Component structures and councillors without proper disciplinary processes being adhered to.It is not PAYCO that is dimembering party stalwarts,veterans and former leaders. It is not PAYCO that insult the contributions of our former leaders and party fighters in the media. It is not PAYCO that is creating parrallel structures. It is not PAYCO that is praising Zuma. It is not PAYCO that is promoting factions and disunity in the party. It is not PAYCO that promotes personality cults in the party. Thanx son of the soil, Hoping to see you in the upcoming PAYCO Congress. Yours for a classless society Kwame Ndebele PAYCO Secretary General Original Message Subject: [PAYCO] BY - ELECTIONS IN GAUTENG PROVINCE (MOGALE CITY - KRUGERSDORP) Westonaria From:Jack masoga mphi...@gmail.com Date:Fri, October 9, 2009 21:22 To: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: PAYCO Azania paycoofaza...@gmail.com -- Revolutionary Greetings Majoni I always read about WHO is WHO on this platform, people think that they are better than others. I was invited to PAYCO Congress to be held at Nothern Cape which started tonight. However I want to challenge the Youth in the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania to wake up and implement IOTA by contesting the two Wards which are up for taking. I took stock of work that was done by PAYCO around Khutsong and nearby areas which is West Rand. I hope Comrade Nonceba Mbilini, Bafana Mthimkhulu, Lazim Mokoena will ensure that PAC under their Leadership in the West Rand will win those Wards so that we speak in the position of Power. Please MaAfrika stop calling Africansits Sell- out, Agents of Imperilism, Yes Man of Whoever, Capitalist,
[PAYCO] Re: Article from Sunday World
the media is right in this case.members and former members of this parties are busy fighting their parties and their leaders some of them they even become heros for that.this parties have a tendecy of producing armchair politicions critical of others while does nothing to advance their party s caurse.the other problem is the lack of programme which encompases the needs of the masses of our people.in short we just know too much of what we simply dont know. _ From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of sbusiso.x...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 9:36 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Article from Sunday World From:Sbusiso Xaba Comments: Unheard voices raised in anger One of the most persistent complaints against our news media is that what they cover is not representative enough of the widely diverse population of South Africa. Click here to go to http://www.sundayworld.co.za/article.aspx?id=1077113 the article --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: [Fwd: [PAYCO] Re: dogmatism]
I have made my point and still stand by it.payco is nothing than a tool in the hands who put every efforts to destroy pac.there is no constructive exchange of views.i am the head of party building in the party and it is my duty to defend the party from any attacks by political opportunists like yourselves.the language your using has never been used before in the pac. Pac members are disciplined members and respect the disciplinary code of the party.pac youth leage will launged in September and payco reactionaries can stay away.but this programme have to stop.pac is taking a shape.by match next year all party structures will be operational and effective.those who deployed should recall you for other briefing.you are daily approaching the dustbin of history.agents programme is reactionary in both character and content and unsustainable.your disrespect of the party and its leadership is a reflection of how badly you were brought up and what kind of a family ur come from.you simply display shere arrogance. -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Sent: 28 August 2009 12:38 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com; paycoofaza...@gmail.com Subject: [Fwd: [PAYCO] Re: dogmatism] Original Message Subject: [Fwd: [PAYCO] Re: dogmatism] From:kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Date:Fri, August 28, 2009 11:44 To: -- Mr Narius Moloto, You never cease to disappoint me with your poor political understanding and childish behaviour. Your response on PAYCO's stance was poorly presented and lacked content. You are an embarassment to the party of intellectual giants and principled leaders. I did not want to entertain your gubbage but for the sake of young and new comrades who might be misdirected by your ill-concieved views let me address the following: 1.PAYCO no longer PAC structure I think you still need to be initiated on the constitution of the PAC,its culture and traditions. You sound like a man who have never seen or consulted PAC constitution and its founding documents. PAC component structures are constitutionally created and governed. The relations between PAC and its structure are regulated by constitution and conventional rules. No man including the President of the party can rename the structure or dissolve it just like that. PAYCO has to be consulted, engaged and convinced of any decision that affect it,in line with democratic centralism(which is the new concept to you). PAYCO has to agree and be part of the implementation of such a decision,if that is not the case then such a decision is in conflict with the Disciplinary Code and promotes factionalism and disunity. Since that detailed process was not followed to the letter,the decision to dissolve PAYCO and establish the so-called PAC youth leageu is null and void. To add salt on the wound be informed that the Cape Town Court Decision to reject the smuggled constitution and re-instating the original Constitution accordingly confirmed PAYCO as the only legitimate PAC youth component. Your actions and attacks on PAYCO are tantamount to contempt of court,you should know the consequences,if you don't get legal advice. 2.PAYCO captured by the enermy I am sure if you don't know what you are talking about. As far as I am concerned your enermies is PAC,Its Constitution,its Members,its Structues,its founding members and its supporters. It is you and your president who wanted to rename oue party New PAC,aping the New Labour Party in England(remember the Blomfontein Component Structures Summit), it is you and your President who smuggled the new anti-PAC constitution(thanks to courts it has been declared null and void),its you and your president who have stripped PAC die-hards and veterans party membership and embarrassed them over the media, its you and your president who undermine branches,suspend duly elected leaders and install stooges,its you guys who remove principled councillors and replace them with spineless stooge,it is you and your president who disband structures who refuse to serve you,(PAYCO and APLAMVA are a case in point). You are the real enermies of the PAC and we would fight you to the last bitter-end and we would emerge victorious as history is on our side. 3.Forum of reactionaries and enermy agents Can you define a reactionary and enermy agents? 4.Politically and Ideologically bankrupt Who are you trying to bluff,us or yourself? We have been offering your free political and ideological lessons over the past months,soon we would start charging you as you waste too much of our time and you are really slow learners. Non of you have engaged us on a political or ideological debate. this debate only takes place between PAYCO members. It would be asking too much to draw you on the ideological debates when you are still struggling
