Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
andy, Sounds like you have thought it through with an ideal and almost perfect solution. I hope you enjoy it. I quite liked my mac, but frankly, what I was doing on that machine, I could achieve on a windows based pc with less effort. I'm a little concerned regarding the lack of competition in the accessiblity department, but if it works for you, then there are no concerns. There are certain Microsoft philosophies that could push me back to the mac, but while these can be circumnavigated, in practice, I'll circumnavigate them. I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun, and fulfilment. Good luck, and thank you for writing. Joe
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Hi Joe. I'm hoping that my transition will also be seemless, but to be honest with you, I'm not all that bothered or flustered about thewhole change over. Firstly, I'm setting up my load of Windows 7 computers in another room which I'll use for e-mail, recording and burning projects etc, to make some space for my new project. I'll keep this equipment up and running as I learn all about my new imac set-up. As for my new Imac, I'll not be in a position to make the purchase until 17 April, so I've a few weeks to go. I've already contacted a charity organisation in Glasgow, who will be able to give me hands on training, free of charge, starting next Monday and all Monday's afterwords. The Mac Store in Glasgow are also agreeing to at least an hours practicle support in their shop before you make the purchase. and I've a few friends who know a little about the Mac. In addition, I've also got the internet to support me, during this training transition. So to all extent and purposes, my new system will be sitting in my study and all my old equipment will be stored in another location. So I'll have a blank room with my Imac Retina in it and will probably spend a couple of hours a day, getting to know and understand how it works. My expectation is that eventually, I'll ditch all of my Windows equipment and simply go Apple all the way. I'm 62 years old so not going to be all that bothered about wasting time trying to learn something new. Hope I'm not sounding overly optimistic Joe, but I really believe the time is right for me to give it a big go for Apple. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Joe Paton" <j...@vi-ability.demon.co.uk> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Andy, I bet you regret it. I hope you don't, but depending on what you want to do, you might. Nothing like choice anyways. Apple's prices are far far too high. Products are good, but screw the customer. After sales is second to none, and if you get a good individual in the store then you could be home and dry. My experience running up to mac os10, was, that there were issues, different issues to windows based pcs, but issues just the same. And I was so glad I didn't spend full retail price on my first and last mac. Lots of excellent support though, some really knowledgeable guys and girls out there. Good luck, and enjoy your purchase. Joe On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 09:41:56 + Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Chris. I just found your message in my spam folder! Hate this computer! This is why I'm going to bite the Apple. Yes, I agree with you, Mike is very knowledgable and to be honest, not to recognise his abilities, was a bit petty by the list owner. I've listened to all of Mike's podcasts on BCT, over the years but alas I never held onto them. I'm really going for the Imac 21inch Retina computer Chris. It's £1100 and I've already got £950. So I'm on my way and I'm going to try and get a hold of mike for a copy of any of his most recent podcasts. For I know in my heart, if I had one on the Imac Retina, then I'd be sorted. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Chris Skarstad" <rascal0...@verizon.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Mike is certainly up-to-date with information about the mac. If you > listen to his previous podcasts, he gives his contact info at the end and > I'm sure he'd answer any questions you may have. I know him very well and > he's very trustworthy so he'll give you up-to-date information. On 3/22/2016 8:55 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Why do you need to go to all that trouble when Apple has all the up to >> date documentation on their support pages? On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:50 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: No Dane, you misunderstand me my friend. What I was saying was that >>> this guy Mike really knew his stuff back then and must be up to date >>> with all the newer devices and OS. All I need do is contact someone >>> like Rick at the Blind Geek Zone, who may well put me in touch with >>> him. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" >>> <grtd...@internode.on.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to get hold >>> of some updated information me thinks and I don't care how good
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Hi Andy, I bet you regret it. I hope you don't, but depending on what you want to do, you might. Nothing like choice anyways. Apple's prices are far far too high. Products are good, but screw the customer. After sales is second to none, and if you get a good individual in the store then you could be home and dry. My experience running up to mac os10, was, that there were issues, different issues to windows based pcs, but issues just the same. And I was so glad I didn't spend full retail price on my first and last mac. Lots of excellent support though, some really knowledgeable guys and girls out there. Good luck, and enjoy your purchase. Joe On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 09:41:56 + Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Chris. I just found your message in my spam folder! Hate this computer! This is why I'm going to bite the Apple. Yes, I agree with you, Mike is very knowledgable and to be honest, not to recognise his abilities, was a bit petty by the list owner. I've listened to all of Mike's podcasts on BCT, over the years but alas I never held onto them. I'm really going for the Imac 21inch Retina computer Chris. It's £1100 and I've already got £950. So I'm on my way and I'm going to try and get a hold of mike for a copy of any of his most recent podcasts. For I know in my heart, if I had one on the Imac Retina, then I'd be sorted. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Chris Skarstad" <rascal0...@verizon.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > Mike is certainly up-to-date with information about the mac. If you > listen > to his previous podcasts, he gives his contact info at the end and > I'm sure > he'd answer any questions you may have. I know him very well and > he's very > trustworthy so he'll give you up-to-date information. > > > > > On 3/22/2016 8:55 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Why do you need to go to all that trouble when Apple has all the up to >> >> date documentation on their support pages? >> >> >>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:50 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> No Dane, you misunderstand me my friend. What I was saying was that >>> >>> this guy Mike really knew his stuff back then and must be up to date >>> >>> with all the newer devices and OS. All I need do is contact someone >>> >>> like Rick at the Blind Geek Zone, who may well put me in touch with >>> >>> him. >>> >>> Very best wishes. >>> Andy. >>> ----- Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" >>> >>> <grtd...@internode.on.net> >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> 2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to get hold >>> >>> of some updated information me thinks and I dont care how good he >>> >>> sounds to listen to, accurate and up to date information is more >>> >>> important. >>> >>> >>>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:31 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Brian. >>>> >>>> Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive >>>> >>>> concerning the Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy called >>>> >>>> Mike Arrigo. I just loved listening to this guy speak and that of >>>> >>>> course was almost five years ago. >>>> >>>> I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new imac >>>> >>>> Retina, with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes This morning, >>>> >>>> I was also in contact with an organisation in Glasgow who have an >>>> open >>>> door policy to learning all Apple products. Aparently, all you >>>> do is >>>> walk in the front door and you'll get a chance to feel and >>>> check-out >>>> the item of your choice, which in my situation is a >>>> desk-top Mac. >>>> >>>> So I'm getting pretty excitted now about finding out more. Much more >>>> >>>> excited than toing attending a Windows 10 demo, So my mind is clearly >>>> >>>> made up, just need a l
RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Yeah some software podcasts might be irelevent. But the how to ones should still work. So any basic starting out with VO ones should be good. But then still you would want new ones after that to learn what's new. But it is true VO gives you a chance to learn it right out of the gate. Oh and check this, on the Mac you can install the OS all by yourself. Yeah there tricks to kinda sorta do it on Windows but not like on the Mac. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:42 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Chris. I just found your message in my spam folder! Hate this computer! This is why I'm going to bite the Apple. Yes, I agree with you, Mike is very knowledgable and to be honest, not to recognise his abilities, was a bit petty by the list owner. I've listened to all of Mike's podcasts on BCT, over the years but alas I never held onto them. I'm really going for the Imac 21inch Retina computer Chris. It's £1100 and I've already got £950. So I'm on my way and I'm going to try and get a hold of mike for a copy of any of his most recent podcasts. For I know in my heart, if I had one on the Imac Retina, then I'd be sorted. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Chris Skarstad" <rascal0...@verizon.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > Mike is certainly up-to-date with information about the mac. If you > listen to his previous podcasts, he gives his contact info at the end and > I'm sure he'd answer any questions you may have. I know him very well and > he's very trustworthy so he'll give you up-to-date information. > > > > > On 3/22/2016 8:55 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Why do you need to go to all that trouble when Apple has all the up to >> date documentation on their support pages? >> >> >>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:50 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> No Dane, you misunderstand me my friend. What I was saying was that >>> this guy Mike really knew his stuff back then and must be up to date >>> with all the newer devices and OS. All I need do is contact someone >>> like Rick at the Blind Geek Zone, who may well put me in touch with >>> him. >>> >>> Very best wishes. >>> Andy. >>> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" >>> <grtd...@internode.on.net> >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> 2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to get hold >>> of some updated information me thinks and I don’t care how good he >>> sounds to listen to, accurate and up to date information is more >>> important. >>> >>> >>>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:31 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Brian. >>>> >>>> Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive >>>> concerning the Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy called >>>> Mike Arrigo. I just loved listening to this guy speak and that of >>>> course was almost five years ago. >>>> >>>> I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new imac >>>> Retina, with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes This morning, >>>> I was also in contact with an organisation in Glasgow who have an open >>>> door policy to learning all Apple products. Aparently, all you do is >>>> walk in the front door and you'll get a chance to feel and check-out >>>> the item of your choice, which in my situation is a desk-top Mac. >>>> >>>> So I'm getting pretty excitted now about finding out more. Much more >>>> excited than toing attending a Windows 10 demo, So my mind is clearly >>>> made up, just need a little more cash now. >>>> >>>> Very best wishes. >>>> >>>> Andy. >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Olesen" <br...@blindkom.dk> >>>> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Tu
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Hi Chris. I just found your message in my spam folder! Hate this computer! This is why I'm going to bite the Apple. Yes, I agree with you, Mike is very knowledgable and to be honest, not to recognise his abilities, was a bit petty by the list owner. I've listened to all of Mike's podcasts on BCT, over the years but alas I never held onto them. I'm really going for the Imac 21inch Retina computer Chris. It's £1100 and I've already got £950. So I'm on my way and I'm going to try and get a hold of mike for a copy of any of his most recent podcasts. For I know in my heart, if I had one on the Imac Retina, then I'd be sorted. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Chris Skarstad" <rascal0...@verizon.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Mike is certainly up-to-date with information about the mac. If you listen to his previous podcasts, he gives his contact info at the end and I'm sure he'd answer any questions you may have. I know him very well and he's very trustworthy so he'll give you up-to-date information. On 3/22/2016 8:55 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Why do you need to go to all that trouble when Apple has all the up to date documentation on their support pages? On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:50 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: No Dane, you misunderstand me my friend. What I was saying was that this guy Mike really knew his stuff back then and must be up to date with all the newer devices and OS. All I need do is contact someone like Rick at the Blind Geek Zone, who may well put me in touch with him. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to get hold of some updated information me thinks and I don’t care how good he sounds to listen to, accurate and up to date information is more important. On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:31 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Brian. Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive concerning the Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy called Mike Arrigo. I just loved listening to this guy speak and that of course was almost five years ago. I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new imac Retina, with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes This morning, I was also in contact with an organisation in Glasgow who have an open door policy to learning all Apple products. Aparently, all you do is walk in the front door and you'll get a chance to feel and check-out the item of your choice, which in my situation is a desk-top Mac. So I'm getting pretty excitted now about finding out more. Much more excited than toing attending a Windows 10 demo, So my mind is clearly made up, just need a little more cash now. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Brian Olesen" <br...@blindkom.dk> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:29 AM Subject: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi, Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes though. On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Robert Nelson Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40 Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and VoiceOver is only the beginning. If you had no experience with windows, you would accept that the awkward way things are done in MAC OS is normal but with a little experience of windows you will find yourself trying to work out the mind set of those who devised the OS and VoiceOver. However, given your experience in windows you may find that something like audio editing has a steep learning curve. Yes, I know that Garage Band, Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing programs for sighted people but for a blind person they can be very frustrating. The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that I would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it important enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most of the things you might want to do are possible through your I Phone. Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and flames of the Apple fans! Bob Nelson -Original Message- Fro
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Agreed. I have FireFox, Chrome, and IE running most of the time. Some sites don't really like either. Tony who is not answering himself -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of cov...@ccs.covici.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:00 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 No one platform is perfect, so the best is to have all three, windows, linux, and mac. I have found such an arrangement quite useful, one part of a website would only work with Safari and nothing else. Tony <t...@k5twz.com> wrote: > Assuming the program developers care about voice over. What about all of the > "improvements that break previous voice over access? > > Just asking as I have also considered changing to a Mac but am leaning back > to the dreaded old PC. > > Tony > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Andy Logue > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 3:14 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows > 10 > > He Guy's. I'm a Microsoft remember Ha? I understand nothing about Apple or > it's supports. I think, It's safe to assume however, that Apple will prove > very helpful. Just look at voice-over. Works out of the box on all products > for no extra cash. Not quite the Same as Microsoft and Freedom Scientific eh? > > Very best wishes. > Andy. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona" <hank.smith...@gmail.com> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:45 PM > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows > 10 > > > > also applevis is another good resource www.applevis.com > > > > On 3/22/2016 5:55 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Why do you need to go to all that trouble when Apple has all the up > >> to date documentation on their support pages? > >> > >> > >>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:50 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> No Dane, you misunderstand me my friend. What I was saying was > >>> that this guy Mike really knew his stuff back then and must be up > >>> to date with all the newer devices and OS. All I need do is > >>> contact someone like Rick at the Blind Geek Zone, who may well > >>> put me in touch with him. > >>> > >>> Very best wishes. > >>> Andy. > >>> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" > >>> <grtd...@internode.on.net> > >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:35 PM > >>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new > >>> Windows 10 > >>> > >>> > >>> 2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to > >>> get hold of some updated information me thinks and I don’t care > >>> how good he sounds to listen to, accurate and up to date > >>> information is more important. > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:31 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Brian. > >>>> > >>>> Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive > >>>> concerning the Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy > >>>> called Mike Arrigo. I just loved listening to this guy speak and > >>>> that of course was almost five years ago. > >>>> > >>>> I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new > >>>> imac Retina, with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes > >>>> This morning, I was also in contact with an organisation in > >>>> Glasgow who have an open door policy to learning all Apple > >>>> products. Aparently, all you do is walk in the front door and > >>>> you'll get a chance to feel and check-out the item of your choice, which > >>>> in my situation is a desk-top Mac. > >>>> > >>>> So I'm getting pretty excitted now about finding out more. Much > >>>> more excited than toing attending a Windows 10 demo, So my mind > >>>> is clearly made up, just need a little more cash now. > >>>> > >>
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
No one platform is perfect, so the best is to have all three, windows, linux, and mac. I have found such an arrangement quite useful, one part of a website would only work with Safari and nothing else. Tony <t...@k5twz.com> wrote: > Assuming the program developers care about voice over. What about all of the > "improvements that break previous voice over access? > > Just asking as I have also considered changing to a Mac but am leaning back > to the dreaded old PC. > > Tony > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 3:14 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > He Guy's. I'm a Microsoft remember Ha? I understand nothing about Apple or > it's supports. I think, It's safe to assume however, that Apple will prove > very helpful. Just look at voice-over. Works out of the box on all products > for no extra cash. Not quite the Same as Microsoft and Freedom Scientific eh? > > Very best wishes. > Andy. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona" <hank.smith...@gmail.com> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:45 PM > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > > > also applevis is another good resource > > www.applevis.com > > > > On 3/22/2016 5:55 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Why do you need to go to all that trouble when Apple has all the up to > >> date documentation on their support pages? > >> > >> > >>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:50 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> No Dane, you misunderstand me my friend. What I was saying was that > >>> this guy Mike really knew his stuff back then and must be up to date > >>> with all the newer devices and OS. All I need do is contact someone > >>> like Rick at the Blind Geek Zone, who may well put me in touch with > >>> him. > >>> > >>> Very best wishes. > >>> Andy. > >>> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" > >>> <grtd...@internode.on.net> > >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:35 PM > >>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > >>> > >>> > >>> 2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to get hold > >>> of some updated information me thinks and I don’t care how good he > >>> sounds to listen to, accurate and up to date information is more > >>> important. > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:31 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Brian. > >>>> > >>>> Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive > >>>> concerning the Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy called > >>>> Mike Arrigo. I just loved listening to this guy speak and that of > >>>> course was almost five years ago. > >>>> > >>>> I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new imac > >>>> Retina, with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes This morning, > >>>> I was also in contact with an organisation in Glasgow who have an open > >>>> door policy to learning all Apple products. Aparently, all you do is > >>>> walk in the front door and you'll get a chance to feel and check-out > >>>> the item of your choice, which in my situation is a desk-top Mac. > >>>> > >>>> So I'm getting pretty excitted now about finding out more. Much more > >>>> excited than toing attending a Windows 10 demo, So my mind is clearly > >>>> made up, just need a little more cash now. > >>>> > >>>> Very best wishes. > >>>> > >>>> Andy. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Olesen" <br...@blindkom.dk> > >>>> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:29 AM > >>>> Subject: SV: Thinking seriously on an
SV: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Devin, Haven't tried it for windows 10 yet, but as this video describes it has more then 70 short keys available for navigation and reading purposes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xZJzFVUJsA But as Microsoft states it's a basic screen reader. If you want something more powerful then you'd have to check another screen reader out like the free Nvda or if you even have more demands the quite expensive Jaws for Windows. Best regards Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin Prater Sendt: 22. marts 2016 21:37 Til: PC Audio Discussion List Emne: Re: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Can Narrator work with Live Regions on the web? Is it responsive, with default voices, enough to be used full-time? Was it even designed to be a full screen reader? Yeah, you get my point. Comparing Voiceover on the Mac to Narrator is like comparing a ripe apple with an apple that has been left sitting out on the kitchen table for literally years. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Brian Olesen <br...@blindkom.dk> wrote: > > Hi Andy, > Narreator has definately improved over the latest years starting with windows > 8, and it's also free. > > Best regards > Brian > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Andy Logue > Sendt: 22. marts 2016 21:14 > Til: PC Audio Discussion List > Emne: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > He Guy's. I'm a Microsoft remember Ha? I understand nothing about Apple or > it's supports. I think, It's safe to assume however, that Apple will prove > very helpful. Just look at voice-over. Works out of the box on all > products for no extra cash. Not quite the Same as Microsoft and Freedom > Scientific eh? > > Very best wishes. > Andy. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona" <hank.smith...@gmail.com> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:45 PM > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > >> also applevis is another good resource >> www.applevis.com >> >>> On 3/22/2016 5:55 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> Why do you need to go to all that trouble when Apple has all the up to >>> date documentation on their support pages? >>> >>> >>>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:50 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> No Dane, you misunderstand me my friend. What I was saying was that >>>> this guy Mike really knew his stuff back then and must be up to date >>>> with all the newer devices and OS. All I need do is contact someone >>>> like Rick at the Blind Geek Zone, who may well put me in touch with >>>> him. >>>> >>>> Very best wishes. >>>> Andy. >>>> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" >>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net> >>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:35 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> 2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to get hold >>>> of some updated information me thinks and I don’t care how good he >>>> sounds to listen to, accurate and up to date information is more >>>> important. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:31 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Brian. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive >>>>> concerning the Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy called >>>>> Mike Arrigo. I just loved listening to this guy speak and that of >>>>> course was almost five years ago. >>>>> >>>>> I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new imac >>>>> Retina, with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes This morning, >>>>> I was also in contact with an organisation in Glasgow who have an open >>>>> door policy to learning all Apple products. Aparently, all you do is >>>>> walk in the front door and you'll get a chance to feel and check-out >>>>> the item of your choice, which in my situation is a desk-top Mac.
RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Assuming the program developers care about voice over. What about all of the "improvements that break previous voice over access? Just asking as I have also considered changing to a Mac but am leaning back to the dreaded old PC. Tony -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 3:14 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 He Guy's. I'm a Microsoft remember Ha? I understand nothing about Apple or it's supports. I think, It's safe to assume however, that Apple will prove very helpful. Just look at voice-over. Works out of the box on all products for no extra cash. Not quite the Same as Microsoft and Freedom Scientific eh? Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona" <hank.smith...@gmail.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > also applevis is another good resource > www.applevis.com > > On 3/22/2016 5:55 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Why do you need to go to all that trouble when Apple has all the up to >> date documentation on their support pages? >> >> >>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:50 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> No Dane, you misunderstand me my friend. What I was saying was that >>> this guy Mike really knew his stuff back then and must be up to date >>> with all the newer devices and OS. All I need do is contact someone >>> like Rick at the Blind Geek Zone, who may well put me in touch with >>> him. >>> >>> Very best wishes. >>> Andy. >>> - Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan" >>> <grtd...@internode.on.net> >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> 2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to get hold >>> of some updated information me thinks and I don’t care how good he >>> sounds to listen to, accurate and up to date information is more >>> important. >>> >>> >>>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:31 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Brian. >>>> >>>> Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive >>>> concerning the Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy called >>>> Mike Arrigo. I just loved listening to this guy speak and that of >>>> course was almost five years ago. >>>> >>>> I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new imac >>>> Retina, with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes This morning, >>>> I was also in contact with an organisation in Glasgow who have an open >>>> door policy to learning all Apple products. Aparently, all you do is >>>> walk in the front door and you'll get a chance to feel and check-out >>>> the item of your choice, which in my situation is a desk-top Mac. >>>> >>>> So I'm getting pretty excitted now about finding out more. Much more >>>> excited than toing attending a Windows 10 demo, So my mind is clearly >>>> made up, just need a little more cash now. >>>> >>>> Very best wishes. >>>> >>>> Andy. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message - From: "Brian Olesen" <br...@blindkom.dk> >>>> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:29 AM >>>> Subject: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes >>>> though. >>>> On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac. >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> -Oprindelig meddelelse- >>>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Robert >>>> Nelson >>>> Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40 >>>> Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >>>> Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>>> >>>>
Re: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Can Narrator work with Live Regions on the web? Is it responsive, with default voices, enough to be used full-time? Was it even designed to be a full screen reader? Yeah, you get my point. Comparing Voiceover on the Mac to Narrator is like comparing a ripe apple with an apple that has been left sitting out on the kitchen table for literally years. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Brian Olesen <br...@blindkom.dk> wrote: > > Hi Andy, > Narreator has definately improved over the latest years starting with windows > 8, and it's also free. > > Best regards > Brian > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Andy Logue > Sendt: 22. marts 2016 21:14 > Til: PC Audio Discussion List > Emne: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > He Guy's. I'm a Microsoft remember Ha? I understand nothing about Apple or > it's supports. I think, It's safe to assume however, that Apple will prove > very helpful. Just look at voice-over. Works out of the box on all > products for no extra cash. Not quite the Same as Microsoft and Freedom > Scientific eh? > > Very best wishes. > Andy. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona" <hank.smith...@gmail.com> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:45 PM > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > >> also applevis is another good resource >> www.applevis.com >> >>> On 3/22/2016 5:55 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> Why do you need to go to all that trouble when Apple has all the up to >>> date documentation on their support pages? >>> >>> >>>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:50 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> No Dane, you misunderstand me my friend. What I was saying was that >>>> this guy Mike really knew his stuff back then and must be up to date >>>> with all the newer devices and OS. All I need do is contact someone >>>> like Rick at the Blind Geek Zone, who may well put me in touch with >>>> him. >>>> >>>> Very best wishes. >>>> Andy. >>>> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" >>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net> >>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:35 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> 2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to get hold >>>> of some updated information me thinks and I don’t care how good he >>>> sounds to listen to, accurate and up to date information is more >>>> important. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:31 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Brian. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive >>>>> concerning the Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy called >>>>> Mike Arrigo. I just loved listening to this guy speak and that of >>>>> course was almost five years ago. >>>>> >>>>> I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new imac >>>>> Retina, with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes This morning, >>>>> I was also in contact with an organisation in Glasgow who have an open >>>>> door policy to learning all Apple products. Aparently, all you do is >>>>> walk in the front door and you'll get a chance to feel and check-out >>>>> the item of your choice, which in my situation is a desk-top Mac. >>>>> >>>>> So I'm getting pretty excitted now about finding out more. Much more >>>>> excited than toing attending a Windows 10 demo, So my mind is clearly >>>>> made up, just need a little more cash now. >>>>> >>>>> Very best wishes. >>>>> >>>>> Andy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Olesen" <br...@blindkom.dk> >>>>> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:29 AM &
SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Hi Andy, Narreator has definately improved over the latest years starting with windows 8, and it's also free. Best regards Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Andy Logue Sendt: 22. marts 2016 21:14 Til: PC Audio Discussion List Emne: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 He Guy's. I'm a Microsoft remember Ha? I understand nothing about Apple or it's supports. I think, It's safe to assume however, that Apple will prove very helpful. Just look at voice-over. Works out of the box on all products for no extra cash. Not quite the Same as Microsoft and Freedom Scientific eh? Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona" <hank.smith...@gmail.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > also applevis is another good resource > www.applevis.com > > On 3/22/2016 5:55 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Why do you need to go to all that trouble when Apple has all the up to >> date documentation on their support pages? >> >> >>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:50 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> No Dane, you misunderstand me my friend. What I was saying was that >>> this guy Mike really knew his stuff back then and must be up to date >>> with all the newer devices and OS. All I need do is contact someone >>> like Rick at the Blind Geek Zone, who may well put me in touch with >>> him. >>> >>> Very best wishes. >>> Andy. >>> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" >>> <grtd...@internode.on.net> >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> 2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to get hold >>> of some updated information me thinks and I don’t care how good he >>> sounds to listen to, accurate and up to date information is more >>> important. >>> >>> >>>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:31 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Brian. >>>> >>>> Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive >>>> concerning the Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy called >>>> Mike Arrigo. I just loved listening to this guy speak and that of >>>> course was almost five years ago. >>>> >>>> I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new imac >>>> Retina, with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes This morning, >>>> I was also in contact with an organisation in Glasgow who have an open >>>> door policy to learning all Apple products. Aparently, all you do is >>>> walk in the front door and you'll get a chance to feel and check-out >>>> the item of your choice, which in my situation is a desk-top Mac. >>>> >>>> So I'm getting pretty excitted now about finding out more. Much more >>>> excited than toing attending a Windows 10 demo, So my mind is clearly >>>> made up, just need a little more cash now. >>>> >>>> Very best wishes. >>>> >>>> Andy. >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message ----- From: "Brian Olesen" <br...@blindkom.dk> >>>> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:29 AM >>>> Subject: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes >>>> though. >>>> On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac. >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> -Oprindelig meddelelse- >>>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Robert >>>> Nelson >>>> Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40 >>>> Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >>>> Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and >>>> VoiceOver is >>>&
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You could use the numpad commander if keystrokes are that much of an issue. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:29 AM, Brian Olesen <br...@blindkom.dk> wrote: > > Hi, > Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes > though. > On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac. > > Brian > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Robert > Nelson > Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40 > Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > > Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and VoiceOver is > only the beginning. > > If you had no experience with windows, you would accept that the awkward > way things are done in MAC OS is normal but with a little experience of > windows you will find yourself trying to work out the mind set of those who > devised the OS and VoiceOver. > > However, given your experience in windows you may find that something like > audio editing has a steep learning curve. Yes, I know that Garage Band, > Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing programs for > sighted people but for a blind person they can be very frustrating. > > The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that I > would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it important > enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most of the things > you might want to do are possible through your I Phone. > > Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and > flames of the Apple fans! > > Bob Nelson > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy > Logue > Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 5:46 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > Hi Devon and Hamit. > > I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so > brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out > for myself. > > What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail > and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some > time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if > > I joined a blind mac list. > > One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, > will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may > be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my > blindness? Worth checking out eh? > > Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out > everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. > > Thanks again. > Andy. > > > > > ----- Original Message - > From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > > Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just > wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but >> you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then >> now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had >> learned >> Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy >> Logue >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >> >> Hi all. >> >> I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described >> movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record >> streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and >> recently, >> I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio >> work. >> >> Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac >> Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. >> >> Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a >> new comer like myself about. >> >> Any advice would be very much appriciated. >> >> Very best wishes. >> Andy. >> >> > > > > > >
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
He Guy's. I'm a Microsoft remember Ha? I understand nothing about Apple or it's supports. I think, It's safe to assume however, that Apple will prove very helpful. Just look at voice-over. Works out of the box on all products for no extra cash. Not quite the Same as Microsoft and Freedom Scientific eh? Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona" <hank.smith...@gmail.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 also applevis is another good resource www.applevis.com On 3/22/2016 5:55 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Why do you need to go to all that trouble when Apple has all the up to date documentation on their support pages? On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:50 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: No Dane, you misunderstand me my friend. What I was saying was that this guy Mike really knew his stuff back then and must be up to date with all the newer devices and OS. All I need do is contact someone like Rick at the Blind Geek Zone, who may well put me in touch with him. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to get hold of some updated information me thinks and I don’t care how good he sounds to listen to, accurate and up to date information is more important. On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:31 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Brian. Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive concerning the Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy called Mike Arrigo. I just loved listening to this guy speak and that of course was almost five years ago. I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new imac Retina, with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes This morning, I was also in contact with an organisation in Glasgow who have an open door policy to learning all Apple products. Aparently, all you do is walk in the front door and you'll get a chance to feel and check-out the item of your choice, which in my situation is a desk-top Mac. So I'm getting pretty excitted now about finding out more. Much more excited than toing attending a Windows 10 demo, So my mind is clearly made up, just need a little more cash now. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Brian Olesen" <br...@blindkom.dk> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:29 AM Subject: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi, Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes though. On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Robert Nelson Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40 Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and VoiceOver is only the beginning. If you had no experience with windows, you would accept that the awkward way things are done in MAC OS is normal but with a little experience of windows you will find yourself trying to work out the mind set of those who devised the OS and VoiceOver. However, given your experience in windows you may find that something like audio editing has a steep learning curve. Yes, I know that Garage Band, Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing programs for sighted people but for a blind person they can be very frustrating. The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that I would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it important enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most of the things you might want to do are possible through your I Phone. Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and flames of the Apple fans! Bob Nelson -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 5:46 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit al
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
also applevis is another good resource www.applevis.com On 3/22/2016 5:55 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Why do you need to go to all that trouble when Apple has all the up to date documentation on their support pages? On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:50 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: No Dane, you misunderstand me my friend. What I was saying was that this guy Mike really knew his stuff back then and must be up to date with all the newer devices and OS. All I need do is contact someone like Rick at the Blind Geek Zone, who may well put me in touch with him. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to get hold of some updated information me thinks and I don’t care how good he sounds to listen to, accurate and up to date information is more important. On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:31 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Brian. Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive concerning the Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy called Mike Arrigo. I just loved listening to this guy speak and that of course was almost five years ago. I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new imac Retina, with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes This morning, I was also in contact with an organisation in Glasgow who have an open door policy to learning all Apple products. Aparently, all you do is walk in the front door and you'll get a chance to feel and check-out the item of your choice, which in my situation is a desk-top Mac. So I'm getting pretty excitted now about finding out more. Much more excited than toing attending a Windows 10 demo, So my mind is clearly made up, just need a little more cash now. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Brian Olesen" <br...@blindkom.dk> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:29 AM Subject: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi, Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes though. On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Robert Nelson Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40 Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and VoiceOver is only the beginning. If you had no experience with windows, you would accept that the awkward way things are done in MAC OS is normal but with a little experience of windows you will find yourself trying to work out the mind set of those who devised the OS and VoiceOver. However, given your experience in windows you may find that something like audio editing has a steep learning curve. Yes, I know that Garage Band, Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing programs for sighted people but for a blind person they can be very frustrating. The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that I would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it important enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most of the things you might want to do are possible through your I Phone. Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and flames of the Apple fans! Bob Nelson -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 5:46 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List&q
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Mike is certainly up-to-date with information about the mac. If you listen to his previous podcasts, he gives his contact info at the end and I'm sure he'd answer any questions you may have. I know him very well and he's very trustworthy so he'll give you up-to-date information. On 3/22/2016 8:55 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Why do you need to go to all that trouble when Apple has all the up to date documentation on their support pages? On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:50 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: No Dane, you misunderstand me my friend. What I was saying was that this guy Mike really knew his stuff back then and must be up to date with all the newer devices and OS. All I need do is contact someone like Rick at the Blind Geek Zone, who may well put me in touch with him. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to get hold of some updated information me thinks and I don’t care how good he sounds to listen to, accurate and up to date information is more important. On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:31 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Brian. Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive concerning the Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy called Mike Arrigo. I just loved listening to this guy speak and that of course was almost five years ago. I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new imac Retina, with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes This morning, I was also in contact with an organisation in Glasgow who have an open door policy to learning all Apple products. Aparently, all you do is walk in the front door and you'll get a chance to feel and check-out the item of your choice, which in my situation is a desk-top Mac. So I'm getting pretty excitted now about finding out more. Much more excited than toing attending a Windows 10 demo, So my mind is clearly made up, just need a little more cash now. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Brian Olesen" <br...@blindkom.dk> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:29 AM Subject: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi, Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes though. On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Robert Nelson Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40 Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and VoiceOver is only the beginning. If you had no experience with windows, you would accept that the awkward way things are done in MAC OS is normal but with a little experience of windows you will find yourself trying to work out the mind set of those who devised the OS and VoiceOver. However, given your experience in windows you may find that something like audio editing has a steep learning curve. Yes, I know that Garage Band, Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing programs for sighted people but for a blind person they can be very frustrating. The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that I would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it important enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most of the things you might want to do are possible through your I Phone. Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and flames of the Apple fans! Bob Nelson -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 5:46 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the m
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dear Dane, I certainly don't hope you're referring to my skeptical first hand knowledge about Macs as misinformation. Smile I lately spend some time with an incarnated Mac user trying to get Teamtalk to work, which failed dramatically. So trees don't grow into heaven with a Mac, and there are stil things that doesn't work so well from a blinds point of view like Adobe flash and so on. There are many issues fanatic mac users tent not to be willing to see with there expensive toy, so as long as this is the case truth often get bended a little in the Mac's favour. Grin There is no doubt that Apple hardware really rocks, and on the other hand you also pay for it. Personally I prefer a good solid piece of equipment rather then something sluggish and instable. There for I always build my stationary pcs myself, and get exactly the components I prefer, and know that they will play nicely together. My personal conclution of this debate is. If you have been using jaws and pc for many many years the only real good reason for switching is that you want to fly something new for inspiration, and that's in my opinion no bad reason at all. But comparing Pc and Mac is putting it a bit humoristically to compare apples and oranges. Grin Sonar for pc really is a nice tool if you're a professional musician and as far as I know hasn't been beaten by any available solution for Mac. On the other hand I'm so deadly tired of Internet Explorer as my browser that it almost drives me nuts. Grin Right now I'm running my audio through a physical Yamaha mixer over USB on a windows 7 computer, and it works flawlessly with super good audio quality as a result. I believe it also would be the case, if I were a Mac user. Best regards Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan Sendt: 22. marts 2016 13:32 Til: PC Audio Discussion List Emne: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Okay I really didn’t want to get into this because the whole discussion has really become off-topic but basically there seems to be a whole heap of miss information going around about Apple Mac and Voiceover and the below sequence of emails just proves that. To the original sender, look up the documentation and tutorials, join a Mac list and ask questions etc rather than rely on mythical statements or statements that may have been true in the past but are not true now. Using Voiceover on a Mac is the same as using JAWS on a Windows PC, using Talkback on an Android phone, using Voiceover on an IOS etc, you have to “Learn” how it works and be fed correct information on the tools on how to use your Screen Reader. > On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:22 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ah yeah another good point. All though can't you do a VO key lok or > something so you don't always have to do that? I use to know all this > but since I never really put it in practice and even worse I've lost > all those podcasts. I now forget. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Brian Olesen > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 7:29 AM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows > 10 > > Hi, > Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes > though. > On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac. > > Brian > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af > Robert Nelson > Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40 > Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > > Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and > VoiceOver is only the beginning. > > If you had no experience with windows, you would accept that the > awkward way things are done in MAC OS is normal but with a little > experience of windows you will find yourself trying to work out the > mind set of those who devised the OS and VoiceOver. > > However, given your experience in windows you may find that something > like audio editing has a steep learning curve. Yes, I know that > Garage Band, Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing > programs for sighted people but for a blind person they can be very > frustrating. > > The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that > I would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it > important enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most > of the things you might want to do are possible through your I Phone. > > Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and > flames of the Apple
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Why do you need to go to all that trouble when Apple has all the up to date documentation on their support pages? > On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:50 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: > > No Dane, you misunderstand me my friend. What I was saying was that this guy > Mike really knew his stuff back then and must be up to date with all the > newer devices and OS. All I need do is contact someone like Rick at the > Blind Geek Zone, who may well put me in touch with him. > > Very best wishes. > Andy. > - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > > 2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to get hold of > some updated information me thinks and I don’t care how good he sounds to > listen to, accurate and up to date information is more important. > > >> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:31 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Brian. >> >> Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive concerning >> the Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy called Mike Arrigo. I >> just loved listening to this guy speak and that of course was almost five >> years ago. >> >> I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new imac >> Retina, with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes This morning, I was >> also in contact with an organisation in Glasgow who have an open door policy >> to learning all Apple products. Aparently, all you do is walk in the front >> door and you'll get a chance to feel and check-out the item of your choice, >> which in my situation is a desk-top Mac. >> >> So I'm getting pretty excitted now about finding out more. Much more >> excited than toing attending a Windows 10 demo, So my mind is clearly made >> up, just need a little more cash now. >> >> Very best wishes. >> >> Andy. >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Brian Olesen" <br...@blindkom.dk> >> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:29 AM >> Subject: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >> >> >> Hi, >> Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes >> though. >> On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac. >> >> Brian >> >> -Oprindelig meddelelse- >> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Robert >> Nelson >> Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40 >> Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >> Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >> >> >> Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and VoiceOver is >> only the beginning. >> >> If you had no experience with windows, you would accept that the awkward >> way things are done in MAC OS is normal but with a little experience of >> windows you will find yourself trying to work out the mind set of those who >> devised the OS and VoiceOver. >> >> However, given your experience in windows you may find that something like >> audio editing has a steep learning curve. Yes, I know that Garage Band, >> Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing programs for >> sighted people but for a blind person they can be very frustrating. >> >> The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that I >> would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it important >> enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most of the things >> you might want to do are possible through your I Phone. >> >> Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and >> flames of the Apple fans! >> >> Bob Nelson >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy >> Logue >> Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 5:46 AM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >> >> Hi Devon and Hamit. >> >> I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so >> brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out >> for myself. >> >> What I was thinking w
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No Dane, you misunderstand me my friend. What I was saying was that this guy Mike really knew his stuff back then and must be up to date with all the newer devices and OS. All I need do is contact someone like Rick at the Blind Geek Zone, who may well put me in touch with him. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to get hold of some updated information me thinks and I don’t care how good he sounds to listen to, accurate and up to date information is more important. On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:31 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Brian. Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive concerning the Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy called Mike Arrigo. I just loved listening to this guy speak and that of course was almost five years ago. I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new imac Retina, with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes This morning, I was also in contact with an organisation in Glasgow who have an open door policy to learning all Apple products. Aparently, all you do is walk in the front door and you'll get a chance to feel and check-out the item of your choice, which in my situation is a desk-top Mac. So I'm getting pretty excitted now about finding out more. Much more excited than toing attending a Windows 10 demo, So my mind is clearly made up, just need a little more cash now. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Brian Olesen" <br...@blindkom.dk> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:29 AM Subject: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi, Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes though. On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Robert Nelson Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40 Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and VoiceOver is only the beginning. If you had no experience with windows, you would accept that the awkward way things are done in MAC OS is normal but with a little experience of windows you will find yourself trying to work out the mind set of those who devised the OS and VoiceOver. However, given your experience in windows you may find that something like audio editing has a steep learning curve. Yes, I know that Garage Band, Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing programs for sighted people but for a blind person they can be very frustrating. The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that I would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it important enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most of the things you might want to do are possible through your I Phone. Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and flames of the Apple fans! Bob Nelson -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 5:46 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instruction
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2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to get hold of some updated information me thinks and I don’t care how good he sounds to listen to, accurate and up to date information is more important. > On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:31 PM, Andy Logue <andy.logue...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Brian. > > Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive concerning the > Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy called Mike Arrigo. I just > loved listening to this guy speak and that of course was almost five years > ago. > > I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new imac Retina, > with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes This morning, I was also in > contact with an organisation in Glasgow who have an open door policy to > learning all Apple products. Aparently, all you do is walk in the front door > and you'll get a chance to feel and check-out the item of your choice, which > in my situation is a desk-top Mac. > > So I'm getting pretty excitted now about finding out more. Much more excited > than toing attending a Windows 10 demo, So my mind is clearly made up, just > need a little more cash now. > > Very best wishes. > > Andy. > > > - Original Message - From: "Brian Olesen" <br...@blindkom.dk> > To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:29 AM > Subject: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > > Hi, > Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes > though. > On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac. > > Brian > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Robert > Nelson > Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40 > Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > > Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and VoiceOver is > only the beginning. > > If you had no experience with windows, you would accept that the awkward > way things are done in MAC OS is normal but with a little experience of > windows you will find yourself trying to work out the mind set of those who > devised the OS and VoiceOver. > > However, given your experience in windows you may find that something like > audio editing has a steep learning curve. Yes, I know that Garage Band, > Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing programs for > sighted people but for a blind person they can be very frustrating. > > The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that I > would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it important > enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most of the things > you might want to do are possible through your I Phone. > > Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and > flames of the Apple fans! > > Bob Nelson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy > Logue > Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 5:46 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > Hi Devon and Hamit. > > I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so > brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out > for myself. > > What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail > and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some > time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if > > I joined a blind mac list. > > One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, > will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may > be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my > blindness? Worth checking out eh? > > Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out > everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. > > Thanks again. > Andy. > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > > Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just > wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>
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Okay I really didn’t want to get into this because the whole discussion has really become off-topic but basically there seems to be a whole heap of miss information going around about Apple Mac and Voiceover and the below sequence of emails just proves that. To the original sender, look up the documentation and tutorials, join a Mac list and ask questions etc rather than rely on mythical statements or statements that may have been true in the past but are not true now. Using Voiceover on a Mac is the same as using JAWS on a Windows PC, using Talkback on an Android phone, using Voiceover on an IOS etc, you have to “Learn” how it works and be fed correct information on the tools on how to use your Screen Reader. > On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:22 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ah yeah another good point. All though can't you do a VO key lok or > something so you don't always have to do that? I use to know all this but > since I never really put it in practice and even worse I've lost all those > podcasts. I now forget. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian > Olesen > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 7:29 AM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > Hi, > Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes > though. > On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac. > > Brian > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Robert > Nelson > Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40 > Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > > Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and VoiceOver is > only the beginning. > > If you had no experience with windows, you would accept that the awkward > way things are done in MAC OS is normal but with a little experience of > windows you will find yourself trying to work out the mind set of those who > devised the OS and VoiceOver. > > However, given your experience in windows you may find that something like > audio editing has a steep learning curve. Yes, I know that Garage Band, > Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing programs for > sighted people but for a blind person they can be very frustrating. > > The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that I > would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it important > enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most of the things > you might want to do are possible through your I Phone. > > Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and > flames of the Apple fans! > > Bob Nelson > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy > Logue > Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 5:46 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > Hi Devon and Hamit. > > I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so > brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out > for myself. > > What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail > and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some > time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if > > I joined a blind mac list. > > One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, > will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may > be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my > blindness? Worth checking out eh? > > Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out > everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. > > Thanks again. > Andy. > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > > Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just > wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff >> but you'd have to listen to a lot
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Hi Brian. Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive concerning the Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy called Mike Arrigo. I just loved listening to this guy speak and that of course was almost five years ago. I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new imac Retina, with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes This morning, I was also in contact with an organisation in Glasgow who have an open door policy to learning all Apple products. Aparently, all you do is walk in the front door and you'll get a chance to feel and check-out the item of your choice, which in my situation is a desk-top Mac. So I'm getting pretty excitted now about finding out more. Much more excited than toing attending a Windows 10 demo, So my mind is clearly made up, just need a little more cash now. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Brian Olesen" <br...@blindkom.dk> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:29 AM Subject: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi, Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes though. On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Robert Nelson Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40 Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and VoiceOver is only the beginning. If you had no experience with windows, you would accept that the awkward way things are done in MAC OS is normal but with a little experience of windows you will find yourself trying to work out the mind set of those who devised the OS and VoiceOver. However, given your experience in windows you may find that something like audio editing has a steep learning curve. Yes, I know that Garage Band, Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing programs for sighted people but for a blind person they can be very frustrating. The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that I would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it important enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most of the things you might want to do are possible through your I Phone. Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and flames of the Apple fans! Bob Nelson -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 5:46 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi all. I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for ev
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Epic! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 7:28 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 It reads and writes everything. > On 22 Mar 2016, at 10:15 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ah I see. It only reads BD right? Or can it write Blu-Rays? > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Dane Trethowan > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:41 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows > 10 > > Sorry I should have explained things better, the Samsung is a good > performing all round external portable DVD/CD/Blueray drive. > > Not the most speedy drive around no but results are reliable. > > >> On 22 Mar 2016, at 8:24 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ah yeah true that. I have a Plextore 1. Can you tell me more about >> this Samsung 1 though please? Off list if you wish. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Dane Trethowan >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:00 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >> 10 >> >> VLC can but Mac computers - to my knowledge - don't come wiht >> compatible drives, certainly the one I'm using doesn't so I bought an >> external Samsung, one of the best drives around at the moment by the way. >> >> >> >> On 22/03/2016 7:30 AM, Devin Prater wrote: >>> Can't VLC handle blueray? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I >>>> said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting >>>> 1 I >> got rusty. >>>> The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in >>>> school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and >>>> this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. >>>> I don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Andy Logue >>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new >>>> Windows >>>> 10 >>>> >>>> Hi Devon and Hamit. >>>> >>>> I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been >>>> so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to >>>> try it out for myself. >>>> >>>> What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for >>>> my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and >>>> if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? >>>> eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. >>>> >>>> One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in >>>> glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. >>>> Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more >>>> start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? >>>> >>>> Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check >>>> out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. >>>> >>>> Thanks again. >>>> Andy. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> >>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new >>>> Windows >>>> 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. >>>> Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. >>>>
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Ah yeah another good point. All though can't you do a VO key lok or something so you don't always have to do that? I use to know all this but since I never really put it in practice and even worse I've lost all those podcasts. I now forget. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian Olesen Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 7:29 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi, Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes though. On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Robert Nelson Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40 Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and VoiceOver is only the beginning. If you had no experience with windows, you would accept that the awkward way things are done in MAC OS is normal but with a little experience of windows you will find yourself trying to work out the mind set of those who devised the OS and VoiceOver. However, given your experience in windows you may find that something like audio editing has a steep learning curve. Yes, I know that Garage Band, Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing programs for sighted people but for a blind person they can be very frustrating. The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that I would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it important enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most of the things you might want to do are possible through your I Phone. Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and flames of the Apple fans! Bob Nelson -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 5:46 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff > but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you > must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question > correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Andy Logue > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > Hi all. > > I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described > movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to > record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend > and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more > interesting audio work. > > Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new > Imac Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. > > Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support > for a new comer like myself about. > > Any advice would be very much appriciated. > > Very best wishes. > Andy. > >
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Hi, Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes though. On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Robert Nelson Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40 Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and VoiceOver is only the beginning. If you had no experience with windows, you would accept that the awkward way things are done in MAC OS is normal but with a little experience of windows you will find yourself trying to work out the mind set of those who devised the OS and VoiceOver. However, given your experience in windows you may find that something like audio editing has a steep learning curve. Yes, I know that Garage Band, Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing programs for sighted people but for a blind person they can be very frustrating. The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that I would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it important enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most of the things you might want to do are possible through your I Phone. Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and flames of the Apple fans! Bob Nelson -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 5:46 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but > you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then > now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had > learned > Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy > Logue > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > Hi all. > > I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described > movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record > streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and > recently, > I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio > work. > > Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac > Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. > > Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a > new comer like myself about. > > Any advice would be very much appriciated. > > Very best wishes. > Andy. > >
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I haven’t physically seen the newer models either and I don’t think I really want to see them, would make me physically ill. Bare in mind too that an iMac an’t cheap these days, I love my Mac but how the hell Apple expects to sell these machines by lowering Specifications and charging like wounded bulls I just don’t know or perhaps Apple just don’t care. > On 22 Mar 2016, at 10:30 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona > <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I haven't seen the > newer mac mini so I can not comment on that. I just know the mac that I had > at the time was a power full machine hth > Hank > > On 3/21/2016 4:26 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> I’m not sure I agree with that statement now. >> >> Certainly the late 2012 Mac Mini is a truly outstanding machine, I have one >> of corus but the later models have been cheapened and are far less powerful, >> this could be an issue if you’re doing any heavy audio work. >> >> >>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 10:06 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona >>> <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> mac minis are also good would still have mine but it decided to litterly >>> start smoking about a year ago >>> and boy does burnt electronics smell nasty >>> it was a really work horse of a machine to was able to salvige the hard >>> drive but the rest of the machine was a gonner. >>> the intire logic board wich was the mother board was toast. a power surge >>> decided to take it out. >>> wasn't going to pay 600.00 for a new mother board when I could get a new >>> mac mini for like 500.00 or so. >>> didn't have the funds to get a replacement my mom had to help me get a >>> laptop we didn't have the funds to get another mac >>> have been trying to get my hands on some sort of mac sebse then. but I can >>> tell you this whether you get a mac mini a imac or a macbook you are >>> getting a damn good machine and you won't regret it either. >>> On 3/21/2016 3:44 PM, Robert Williams wrote: >>>> Not a bad idea, i purchased a mac mini a few years ago and i use both >>>> computers. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona >>>>> <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> lg is also another good brand for a external cd dvd drive >>>>> >>>>>> On 3/21/2016 2:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>> Not much to be said really, its a good all round external USB drive. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 8:24 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ah yeah true that. I have a Plextore 1. Can you tell me more about this >>>>>>> Samsung 1 though please? Off list if you wish. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >>>>>>> Trethowan >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:00 PM >>>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> VLC can but Mac computers - to my knowledge - don't come wiht compatible >>>>>>> drives, certainly the one I'm using doesn't so I bought an external >>>>>>> Samsung, >>>>>>> one of the best drives around at the moment by the way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 22/03/2016 7:30 AM, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>>>>> Can't VLC handle blueray? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I >>>>>>>>> said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting 1 >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>> got rusty. >>>>>>>>> The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in >>>>>>>
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I haven't seen the newer mac mini so I can not comment on that. I just know the mac that I had at the time was a power full machine hth Hank On 3/21/2016 4:26 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: I’m not sure I agree with that statement now. Certainly the late 2012 Mac Mini is a truly outstanding machine, I have one of corus but the later models have been cheapened and are far less powerful, this could be an issue if you’re doing any heavy audio work. On 22 Mar 2016, at 10:06 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote: mac minis are also good would still have mine but it decided to litterly start smoking about a year ago and boy does burnt electronics smell nasty it was a really work horse of a machine to was able to salvige the hard drive but the rest of the machine was a gonner. the intire logic board wich was the mother board was toast. a power surge decided to take it out. wasn't going to pay 600.00 for a new mother board when I could get a new mac mini for like 500.00 or so. didn't have the funds to get a replacement my mom had to help me get a laptop we didn't have the funds to get another mac have been trying to get my hands on some sort of mac sebse then. but I can tell you this whether you get a mac mini a imac or a macbook you are getting a damn good machine and you won't regret it either. On 3/21/2016 3:44 PM, Robert Williams wrote: Not a bad idea, i purchased a mac mini a few years ago and i use both computers. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote: lg is also another good brand for a external cd dvd drive On 3/21/2016 2:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Not much to be said really, its a good all round external USB drive. On 22 Mar 2016, at 8:24 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: Ah yeah true that. I have a Plextore 1. Can you tell me more about this Samsung 1 though please? Off list if you wish. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:00 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 VLC can but Mac computers - to my knowledge - don't come wiht compatible drives, certainly the one I'm using doesn't so I bought an external Samsung, one of the best drives around at the moment by the way. On 22/03/2016 7:30 AM, Devin Prater wrote: Can't VLC handle blueray? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting 1 I got rusty. The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. I don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
It reads and writes everything. > On 22 Mar 2016, at 10:15 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ah I see. It only reads BD right? Or can it write Blu-Rays? > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:41 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > Sorry I should have explained things better, the Samsung is a good > performing all round external portable DVD/CD/Blueray drive. > > Not the most speedy drive around no but results are reliable. > > >> On 22 Mar 2016, at 8:24 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ah yeah true that. I have a Plextore 1. Can you tell me more about >> this Samsung 1 though please? Off list if you wish. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Dane Trethowan >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:00 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >> 10 >> >> VLC can but Mac computers - to my knowledge - don't come wiht >> compatible drives, certainly the one I'm using doesn't so I bought an >> external Samsung, one of the best drives around at the moment by the way. >> >> >> >> On 22/03/2016 7:30 AM, Devin Prater wrote: >>> Can't VLC handle blueray? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I >>>> said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting >>>> 1 I >> got rusty. >>>> The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in >>>> school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and >>>> this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. I >>>> don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Andy Logue >>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >>>> 10 >>>> >>>> Hi Devon and Hamit. >>>> >>>> I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been >>>> so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to >>>> try it out for myself. >>>> >>>> What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my >>>> mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I >>>> spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? >>>> eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. >>>> >>>> One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in >>>> glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. >>>> Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more >>>> start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? >>>> >>>> Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check >>>> out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. >>>> >>>> Thanks again. >>>> Andy. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> >>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >>>> 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. >>>> Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and >>>>> stuff but you'd have to listen to
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
I’m not sure I agree with that statement now. Certainly the late 2012 Mac Mini is a truly outstanding machine, I have one of corus but the later models have been cheapened and are far less powerful, this could be an issue if you’re doing any heavy audio work. > On 22 Mar 2016, at 10:06 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona > <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote: > > mac minis are also good would still have mine but it decided to litterly > start smoking about a year ago > and boy does burnt electronics smell nasty > it was a really work horse of a machine to was able to salvige the hard drive > but the rest of the machine was a gonner. > the intire logic board wich was the mother board was toast. a power surge > decided to take it out. > wasn't going to pay 600.00 for a new mother board when I could get a new mac > mini for like 500.00 or so. > didn't have the funds to get a replacement my mom had to help me get a laptop > we didn't have the funds to get another mac > have been trying to get my hands on some sort of mac sebse then. but I can > tell you this whether you get a mac mini a imac or a macbook you are getting > a damn good machine and you won't regret it either. > On 3/21/2016 3:44 PM, Robert Williams wrote: >> Not a bad idea, i purchased a mac mini a few years ago and i use both >> computers. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona >>> <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> lg is also another good brand for a external cd dvd drive >>> >>>> On 3/21/2016 2:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> Not much to be said really, its a good all round external USB drive. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 8:24 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ah yeah true that. I have a Plextore 1. Can you tell me more about this >>>>> Samsung 1 though please? Off list if you wish. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message- >>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >>>>> Trethowan >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:00 PM >>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> VLC can but Mac computers - to my knowledge - don't come wiht compatible >>>>> drives, certainly the one I'm using doesn't so I bought an external >>>>> Samsung, >>>>> one of the best drives around at the moment by the way. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 22/03/2016 7:30 AM, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>>> Can't VLC handle blueray? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I >>>>>>> said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting 1 I >>>>> got rusty. >>>>>>> The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in >>>>>>> school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and >>>>>>> this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. I >>>>>>> don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Andy Logue >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM >>>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >>>>>>> 10 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Devon and Hamit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been >>>>>>> so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to >>>>>>> try it out for myself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my >>>>>>> mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I >>>>&g
RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Yeah I've seen those on Amazon. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 6:23 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 lg is also another good brand for a external cd dvd drive On 3/21/2016 2:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Not much to be said really, its a good all round external USB drive. > > >> On 22 Mar 2016, at 8:24 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ah yeah true that. I have a Plextore 1. Can you tell me more about >> this Samsung 1 though please? Off list if you wish. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Dane Trethowan >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:00 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >> 10 >> >> VLC can but Mac computers - to my knowledge - don't come wiht >> compatible drives, certainly the one I'm using doesn't so I bought an >> external Samsung, one of the best drives around at the moment by the way. >> >> >> >> On 22/03/2016 7:30 AM, Devin Prater wrote: >>> Can't VLC handle blueray? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I >>>> said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting >>>> 1 I >> got rusty. >>>> The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in >>>> school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and >>>> this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. >>>> I don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Andy Logue >>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new >>>> Windows >>>> 10 >>>> >>>> Hi Devon and Hamit. >>>> >>>> I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been >>>> so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to >>>> try it out for myself. >>>> >>>> What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for >>>> my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and >>>> if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? >>>> eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. >>>> >>>> One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in >>>> glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. >>>> Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more >>>> start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? >>>> >>>> Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check >>>> out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. >>>> >>>> Thanks again. >>>> Andy. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> >>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new >>>> Windows >>>> 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. >>>> Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>> An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and >>>>> stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff >>>>> because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the >>>>> question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. >>>>&
RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Ah I see. It only reads BD right? Or can it write Blu-Rays? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:41 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Sorry I should have explained things better, the Samsung is a good performing all round external portable DVD/CD/Blueray drive. Not the most speedy drive around no but results are reliable. > On 22 Mar 2016, at 8:24 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ah yeah true that. I have a Plextore 1. Can you tell me more about > this Samsung 1 though please? Off list if you wish. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Dane Trethowan > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:00 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows > 10 > > VLC can but Mac computers - to my knowledge - don't come wiht > compatible drives, certainly the one I'm using doesn't so I bought an > external Samsung, one of the best drives around at the moment by the way. > > > > On 22/03/2016 7:30 AM, Devin Prater wrote: >> Can't VLC handle blueray? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I >>> said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting >>> 1 I > got rusty. >>> The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in >>> school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and >>> this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. I >>> don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Andy Logue >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >>> 10 >>> >>> Hi Devon and Hamit. >>> >>> I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been >>> so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to >>> try it out for myself. >>> >>> What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my >>> mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I >>> spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? >>> eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. >>> >>> One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in >>> glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. >>> Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more >>> start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? >>> >>> Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check >>> out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. >>> >>> Thanks again. >>> Andy. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >>> 10 >>> >>> >>> Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. >>> Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>>> >>>> An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and >>>> stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff >>>> because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the >>>> question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Andy Logue >>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Subject: Thinking seri
RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Ah okay. Cool my friend. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:40 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Not much to be said really, its a good all round external USB drive. > On 22 Mar 2016, at 8:24 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ah yeah true that. I have a Plextore 1. Can you tell me more about > this Samsung 1 though please? Off list if you wish. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Dane Trethowan > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:00 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows > 10 > > VLC can but Mac computers - to my knowledge - don't come wiht > compatible drives, certainly the one I'm using doesn't so I bought an > external Samsung, one of the best drives around at the moment by the way. > > > > On 22/03/2016 7:30 AM, Devin Prater wrote: >> Can't VLC handle blueray? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I >>> said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting >>> 1 I > got rusty. >>> The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in >>> school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and >>> this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. I >>> don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Andy Logue >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >>> 10 >>> >>> Hi Devon and Hamit. >>> >>> I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been >>> so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to >>> try it out for myself. >>> >>> What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my >>> mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I >>> spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? >>> eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. >>> >>> One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in >>> glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. >>> Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more >>> start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? >>> >>> Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check >>> out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. >>> >>> Thanks again. >>> Andy. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >>> 10 >>> >>> >>> Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. >>> Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>>> >>>> An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and >>>> stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff >>>> because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the >>>> question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Andy Logue >>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> I love everything audio co
RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
You know Bob? You're right. I forgot about this. Yes there's a different mind set. Like that whole interacting with tables and things. I now get it and it does make sence but yeah at first hearing the podcasts on Blind cool tech I was all like what the hell? Why do that? So yeah. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Robert Nelson Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:40 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and VoiceOver is only the beginning. If you had no experience with windows, you would accept that the awkward way things are done in MAC OS is normal but with a little experience of windows you will find yourself trying to work out the mind set of those who devised the OS and VoiceOver. However, given your experience in windows you may find that something like audio editing has a steep learning curve. Yes, I know that Garage Band, Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing programs for sighted people but for a blind person they can be very frustrating. The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that I would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it important enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most of the things you might want to do are possible through your I Phone. Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and flames of the Apple fans! Bob Nelson -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 5:46 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but > you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then > now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had > learned > Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy > Logue > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > Hi all. > > I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described > movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record > streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and > recently, > I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio > work. > > Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac > Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. > > Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a > new comer like myself about. > > Any advice would be very much appriciated. > > Very best wishes. > Andy. > >
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
mac minis are also good would still have mine but it decided to litterly start smoking about a year ago and boy does burnt electronics smell nasty it was a really work horse of a machine to was able to salvige the hard drive but the rest of the machine was a gonner. the intire logic board wich was the mother board was toast. a power surge decided to take it out. wasn't going to pay 600.00 for a new mother board when I could get a new mac mini for like 500.00 or so. didn't have the funds to get a replacement my mom had to help me get a laptop we didn't have the funds to get another mac have been trying to get my hands on some sort of mac sebse then. but I can tell you this whether you get a mac mini a imac or a macbook you are getting a damn good machine and you won't regret it either. On 3/21/2016 3:44 PM, Robert Williams wrote: Not a bad idea, i purchased a mac mini a few years ago and i use both computers. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote: lg is also another good brand for a external cd dvd drive On 3/21/2016 2:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Not much to be said really, its a good all round external USB drive. On 22 Mar 2016, at 8:24 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: Ah yeah true that. I have a Plextore 1. Can you tell me more about this Samsung 1 though please? Off list if you wish. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:00 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 VLC can but Mac computers - to my knowledge - don't come wiht compatible drives, certainly the one I'm using doesn't so I bought an external Samsung, one of the best drives around at the moment by the way. On 22/03/2016 7:30 AM, Devin Prater wrote: Can't VLC handle blueray? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting 1 I got rusty. The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. I don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi all. I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio work. Many of my friends, who are no
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Not a bad idea, i purchased a mac mini a few years ago and i use both computers. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 21, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona > <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote: > > lg is also another good brand for a external cd dvd drive > >> On 3/21/2016 2:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Not much to be said really, its a good all round external USB drive. >> >> >>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 8:24 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Ah yeah true that. I have a Plextore 1. Can you tell me more about this >>> Samsung 1 though please? Off list if you wish. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >>> Trethowan >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:00 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>> >>> VLC can but Mac computers - to my knowledge - don't come wiht compatible >>> drives, certainly the one I'm using doesn't so I bought an external Samsung, >>> one of the best drives around at the moment by the way. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 22/03/2016 7:30 AM, Devin Prater wrote: >>>> Can't VLC handle blueray? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I >>>>> said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting 1 I >>> got rusty. >>>>> The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in >>>>> school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and >>>>> this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. I >>>>> don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> Andy Logue >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM >>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >>>>> 10 >>>>> >>>>> Hi Devon and Hamit. >>>>> >>>>> I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been >>>>> so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to >>>>> try it out for myself. >>>>> >>>>> What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my >>>>> mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I >>>>> spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? >>>>> eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. >>>>> >>>>> One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in >>>>> glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. >>>>> Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up >>>>> time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out >>>>> everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks again. >>>>> Andy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> >>>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >>>>> 10 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. >>>>> Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>> An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and >>>>>> stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of pod
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lg is also another good brand for a external cd dvd drive On 3/21/2016 2:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Not much to be said really, its a good all round external USB drive. On 22 Mar 2016, at 8:24 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: Ah yeah true that. I have a Plextore 1. Can you tell me more about this Samsung 1 though please? Off list if you wish. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:00 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 VLC can but Mac computers - to my knowledge - don't come wiht compatible drives, certainly the one I'm using doesn't so I bought an external Samsung, one of the best drives around at the moment by the way. On 22/03/2016 7:30 AM, Devin Prater wrote: Can't VLC handle blueray? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting 1 I got rusty. The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. I don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi all. I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio work. Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a new comer like myself about. Any advice would be very much appriciated. Very best wishes. Andy. -- ** Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
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Sorry I should have explained things better, the Samsung is a good performing all round external portable DVD/CD/Blueray drive. Not the most speedy drive around no but results are reliable. > On 22 Mar 2016, at 8:24 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ah yeah true that. I have a Plextore 1. Can you tell me more about this > Samsung 1 though please? Off list if you wish. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:00 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > VLC can but Mac computers - to my knowledge - don't come wiht compatible > drives, certainly the one I'm using doesn't so I bought an external Samsung, > one of the best drives around at the moment by the way. > > > > On 22/03/2016 7:30 AM, Devin Prater wrote: >> Can't VLC handle blueray? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I >>> said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting 1 I > got rusty. >>> The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in >>> school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and >>> this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. I >>> don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Andy Logue >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >>> 10 >>> >>> Hi Devon and Hamit. >>> >>> I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been >>> so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to >>> try it out for myself. >>> >>> What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my >>> mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I >>> spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? >>> eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. >>> >>> One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in >>> glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. >>> Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up >>> time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? >>> >>> Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out >>> everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. >>> >>> Thanks again. >>> Andy. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >>> 10 >>> >>> >>> Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. >>> Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>>> >>>> An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and >>>> stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff >>>> because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the >>>> question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Andy Logue >>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, >>>> described movies and talking books and I use programmes such as >>>> Goldwave to record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD >>>> for a friend and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder >>>> for even more interesting audio work. >>>> >>>> Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new >>>> Imac Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. >>>> >>>> Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support >>>> for a new comer like myself about. >>>> >>>> Any advice would be very much appriciated. >>>> >>>> Very best wishes. >>>> Andy. >>> >>> >>> >>> > > -- > > ** > Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves > > > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Not much to be said really, its a good all round external USB drive. > On 22 Mar 2016, at 8:24 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ah yeah true that. I have a Plextore 1. Can you tell me more about this > Samsung 1 though please? Off list if you wish. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:00 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > VLC can but Mac computers - to my knowledge - don't come wiht compatible > drives, certainly the one I'm using doesn't so I bought an external Samsung, > one of the best drives around at the moment by the way. > > > > On 22/03/2016 7:30 AM, Devin Prater wrote: >> Can't VLC handle blueray? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I >>> said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting 1 I > got rusty. >>> The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in >>> school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and >>> this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. I >>> don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Andy Logue >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >>> 10 >>> >>> Hi Devon and Hamit. >>> >>> I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been >>> so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to >>> try it out for myself. >>> >>> What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my >>> mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I >>> spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? >>> eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. >>> >>> One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in >>> glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. >>> Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up >>> time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? >>> >>> Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out >>> everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. >>> >>> Thanks again. >>> Andy. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >>> 10 >>> >>> >>> Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. >>> Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>>> >>>> An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and >>>> stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff >>>> because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the >>>> question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Andy Logue >>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, >>>> described movies and talking books and I use programmes such as >>>> Goldwave to record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD >>>> for a friend and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder >>>> for even more interesting audio work. >>>> >>>> Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new >>>> Imac Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. >>>> >>>> Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support >>>> for a new comer like myself about. >>>> >>>> Any advice would be very much appriciated. >>>> >>>> Very best wishes. >>>> Andy. >>> >>> >>> >>> > > -- > > ** > Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves > > > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and VoiceOver is only the beginning. If you had no experience with windows, you would accept that the awkward way things are done in MAC OS is normal but with a little experience of windows you will find yourself trying to work out the mind set of those who devised the OS and VoiceOver. However, given your experience in windows you may find that something like audio editing has a steep learning curve. Yes, I know that Garage Band, Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing programs for sighted people but for a blind person they can be very frustrating. The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that I would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it important enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most of the things you might want to do are possible through your I Phone. Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and flames of the Apple fans! Bob Nelson -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 5:46 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but > you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then > now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had > learned > Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy > Logue > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > Hi all. > > I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described > movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record > streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and > recently, > I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio > work. > > Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac > Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. > > Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a > new comer like myself about. > > Any advice would be very much appriciated. > > Very best wishes. > Andy. > >
RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Also remember VLC can with the help of Any DVD HD. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:00 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 VLC can but Mac computers - to my knowledge - don't come wiht compatible drives, certainly the one I'm using doesn't so I bought an external Samsung, one of the best drives around at the moment by the way. On 22/03/2016 7:30 AM, Devin Prater wrote: > Can't VLC handle blueray? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I >> said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting 1 I got rusty. >> The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in >> school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and >> this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. I >> don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Andy Logue >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >> 10 >> >> Hi Devon and Hamit. >> >> I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been >> so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to >> try it out for myself. >> >> What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my >> mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I >> spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? >> eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. >> >> One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in >> glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. >> Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up >> time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? >> >> Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out >> everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. >> >> Thanks again. >> Andy. >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM >> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >> 10 >> >> >> Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. >> Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and >>> stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff >>> because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the >>> question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Andy Logue >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>> >>> Hi all. >>> >>> I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, >>> described movies and talking books and I use programmes such as >>> Goldwave to record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD >>> for a friend and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder >>> for even more interesting audio work. >>> >>> Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new >>> Imac Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. >>> >>> Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support >>> for a new comer like myself about. >>> >>> Any advice would be very much appriciated. >>> >>> Very best wishes. >>> Andy. >> >> >> >> -- ** Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Ah yeah true that. I have a Plextore 1. Can you tell me more about this Samsung 1 though please? Off list if you wish. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:00 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 VLC can but Mac computers - to my knowledge - don't come wiht compatible drives, certainly the one I'm using doesn't so I bought an external Samsung, one of the best drives around at the moment by the way. On 22/03/2016 7:30 AM, Devin Prater wrote: > Can't VLC handle blueray? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I >> said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting 1 I got rusty. >> The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in >> school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and >> this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. I >> don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Andy Logue >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >> 10 >> >> Hi Devon and Hamit. >> >> I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been >> so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to >> try it out for myself. >> >> What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my >> mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I >> spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? >> eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. >> >> One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in >> glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. >> Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up >> time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? >> >> Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out >> everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. >> >> Thanks again. >> Andy. >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM >> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows >> 10 >> >> >> Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. >> Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and >>> stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff >>> because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the >>> question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Andy Logue >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >>> >>> Hi all. >>> >>> I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, >>> described movies and talking books and I use programmes such as >>> Goldwave to record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD >>> for a friend and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder >>> for even more interesting audio work. >>> >>> Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new >>> Imac Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. >>> >>> Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support >>> for a new comer like myself about. >>> >>> Any advice would be very much appriciated. >>> >>> Very best wishes. >>> Andy. >> >> >> >> -- ** Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
VLC can but Mac computers - to my knowledge - don't come wiht compatible drives, certainly the one I'm using doesn't so I bought an external Samsung, one of the best drives around at the moment by the way. On 22/03/2016 7:30 AM, Devin Prater wrote: Can't VLC handle blueray? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting 1 I got rusty. The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. I don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi all. I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio work. Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a new comer like myself about. Any advice would be very much appriciated. Very best wishes. Andy. -- ** Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
I use my Mac Mini for audio work pretty much all of the time and there's no doubt about it, the Mac is far more flexible than a Windows machine when it comes to audio work. That's not the fault of Windows by the way, its just the way things are. To put it bluntly when you're dealing with Windows then you're dealing with hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of hardware/software configurations whereas with a Mac everything is of a standard so configuration problems are illiminated which means a smoother flow in the way audio is handled and customised by the user. You use Goldware to record you say on the Windows PC? Well you'll find plenty of accessible Apps out there to suit your needs, my favourite is Audio Hijack 3 and that's just one. You might find it of benefit to follow the mac-update Twitter feed which posts updates to Mac Apps when they appear. You can then follow the updated App on the App store, download it and test it. On 22/03/2016 2:56 AM, Andy Logue wrote: Hi all. I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio work. Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a new comer like myself about. Any advice would be very much appriciated. Very best wishes. Andy. -- ** Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Yeah I just remembered that. Now here's the thing does Any DVD HD work on a Mac? Because if it does then you're right. Wala there it is problem solved. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:30 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Can't VLC handle blueray? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I said > too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting 1 I got rusty. > The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in > school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and > this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. I > don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Andy Logue > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows > 10 > > Hi Devon and Hamit. > > I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so > brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it > out for myself. > > What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my > mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I > spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? > eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. > > One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in > glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. > Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up > time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? > > Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out > everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. > > Thanks again. > Andy. > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows > 10 > > > Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. > Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff >> but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you >> must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question >> correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Andy Logue >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >> >> Hi all. >> >> I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, >> described movies and talking books and I use programmes such as >> Goldwave to record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD >> for a friend and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder >> for even more interesting audio work. >> >> Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new >> Imac Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. >> >> Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support >> for a new comer like myself about. >> >> Any advice would be very much appriciated. >> >> Very best wishes. >> Andy. > > > > >
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Can't VLC handle blueray? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I said too I > use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting 1 I got rusty. > The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in school > still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and this 1 still > persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. I don't bother with > DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy > Logue > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > Hi Devon and Hamit. > > I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so > brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out > for myself. > > What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail > and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some > time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if > I joined a blind mac list. > > One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, > will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may > be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my > blindness? Worth checking out eh? > > Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out > everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. > > Thanks again. > Andy. > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM > Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > > Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just > wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but >> you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then >> now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had >> learned >> Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy >> Logue >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 >> >> Hi all. >> >> I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described >> movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record >> streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and >> recently, >> I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio >> work. >> >> Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac >> Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. >> >> Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a >> new comer like myself about. >> >> Any advice would be very much appriciated. >> >> Very best wishes. >> Andy. > > > > >
RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
You're welcome dude. Yeah I'd love an IMac. They are epic. Like I said too I use to know how to use 1. But as I didn't end up getting 1 I got rusty. The things that held me back are that at the time in 07 I was in school still. So who knows how usefull it could have been. Next and this 1 still persists, the Mac can't play Blu-Ray. That's a no go. I don't bother with DVD any more. I'm a Blu-Ray guy all the way. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but > you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then > now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had > learned > Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy > Logue > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > Hi all. > > I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described > movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record > streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and > recently, > I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio > work. > > Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac > Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. > > Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a > new comer like myself about. > > Any advice would be very much appriciated. > > Very best wishes. > Andy. > >
SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Hi, Honestly Mac computers are pretty cool and often relatively more stable then windows pcs. But VoiceOver is far from being as complex as for example Jaws, so it relies more on apps being VoiceOver compatible. And it took quite a lot of time before a reasonable scanner application got available for the blind. Also advanced spretsheets stil lacks in terms of speech, so for a job computer I'd still go the windows route. But programs like audacity works fine on mac, many other music apps are working good as well and so on. Microsoft Word used on a windows machine stil is the very best and most powerful advanced word processor around for the blind. Pages is sweet, but doesn't come close in functionality. Just passed easter I get a new Windows 10 machine with ssds disks, which I'm looking forward to. I've used all the other windows versions uptil now, so I'm very curious to try this one out as all my friends tells me that it's super stable and extremely fast compared to earlier Windows editions. Best regards Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Andy Logue Sendt: 21. marts 2016 20:46 Til: PC Audio Discussion List Emne: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but > you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then > now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had > learned > Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy > Logue > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > Hi all. > > I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described > movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record > streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and > recently, > I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio > work. > > Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac > Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. > > Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a > new comer like myself about. > > Any advice would be very much appriciated. > > Very best wishes. > Andy. > >
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
apple has a special toll free tech support number for blind and visually impared users. the department only works with ones using voice over. and there very helpful. you can get support for mac, ipad and iphone and ipod. - Original Message - From: "Chris Skarstad" <rascal0...@verizon.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 I don't know if they'll give you any actual special treatment because you're blind but there are plenty of resources out there such as Applevis, and there is an email list called Mac visionaries. I use Windows 7 and will soon upgrade to 10 so I've no plans to switch o a mac. Far far far too expensive for me especially when I can get a kick-ass windows machine at half the price, and NVDA is free. On 3/21/2016 3:45 PM, Andy Logue wrote: Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi all. I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio work. Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a new comer like myself about. Any advice would be very much appriciated. Very best wishes. Andy.
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
I don't know if they'll give you any actual special treatment because you're blind but there are plenty of resources out there such as Applevis, and there is an email list called Mac visionaries. I use Windows 7 and will soon upgrade to 10 so I've no plans to switch o a mac. Far far far too expensive for me especially when I can get a kick-ass windows machine at half the price, and NVDA is free. On 3/21/2016 3:45 PM, Andy Logue wrote: Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi all. I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio work. Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a new comer like myself about. Any advice would be very much appriciated. Very best wishes. Andy.
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
apple has great tech support for there os. and also for voice over. and its always free. - Original Message - From: "Andy Logue" <andy.logue...@gmail.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi all. I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio work. Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a new comer like myself about. Any advice would be very much appriciated. Very best wishes. Andy.
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Hi Devon and Hamit. I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't have the self confidence to try it out for myself. What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic? eh? Especially if I joined a blind mac list. One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow, will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop. Perhaps they may be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my blindness? Worth checking out eh? Thanks for your ideas guys. For the meantime, I'm going to check out everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage. Thanks again. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi all. I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio work. Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a new comer like myself about. Any advice would be very much appriciated. Very best wishes. Andy.
Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but > you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then > now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had learned > Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy > Logue > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 > > Hi all. > > I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described > movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record > streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and recently, > I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio > work. > > Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac > Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. > > Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a > new comer like myself about. > > Any advice would be very much appriciated. > > Very best wishes. > Andy. > >
RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10 Hi all. I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio work. Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a new comer like myself about. Any advice would be very much appriciated. Very best wishes. Andy.
Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
Hi all. I love everything audio concerning my computer. I've music, described movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to record streaming music. I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting audio work. Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new Imac Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system. Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support for a new comer like myself about. Any advice would be very much appriciated. Very best wishes. Andy.
