[PD-dev] pd and threads with pd~ : was Re: i can has svn commit access?
hello, i'm maybe wrong, but it look like the pd~ object that is part of 0.42 test release offer a good and generic solution to create thread with pd. So, i'd like to know it i'm to much optimistic, or if work on thread with pd will be obsolet when pd 0.42 will be out. cyrille Chris McCormick a écrit : On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:43:54AM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Damian Stewart hat gesagt: // Damian Stewart wrote: i'd like SVN commit access, so that i can work on improvements to some of the Pd usability issues that have been bugging me lately. i would like to implement multithreaded [soundfiler] read, and i'd like to in the longer term make a stab at multithreaded the entire DSP engine, or at least investigating whether this project is a feasible one. You're welcome, but take note, that the MAIN branch of Pd in svn is strictly reserved for commits by Miller, so if you want to make changes to [soundfiler] using the sourceforge patch tracker is the way to go. Also, I am sure you already know this but there was a threaded soundfiler by Tim Blechmann some time back. Might be a good idea to check out his code, and also to try and engage Miller before starting the work to ask his opinion on what you want to do (that is, if it's your goal for the changes to make it back into MillerVanillaPd. Pd has a history of people doing lots of great work and fun features that don't get accepted, and that's quite frustrating to watch. Best of luck! Best, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] pd and threads with pd~ : was Re: i can has svn commit access?
So, i'd like to know it i'm to much optimistic, or if work on thread with pd will be obsolet when pd 0.42 will be out. i didn't check the sources, but from the description in miller's icmc paper, pd~ introduces a pipelined approach, i.e. adding one block of latency when audio data is passed from one thread to another. from my understanding, the pd~ approach is static, so a patch would need to be written explicitly for the number of threads ... pd~ has different limitations than max5's poly~, but is still far away from a general solution ... tim -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tim.klingt.org All we composers really have to work with is time and sound - and sometimes I'm not even sure about sound. Morton Feldman ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] pd and threads with pd~ : was Re: i can has svn commit access?
cyrille henry wrote: hello, i'm maybe wrong, but it look like the pd~ object that is part of 0.42 test release offer a good and generic solution to create thread with pd. ok, hello, Miller? if you're reading: is there a roadmap for this sort of stuff? -- damian stewart | skype: damiansnz | [EMAIL PROTECTED] frey | live art with machines | http://www.frey.co.nz ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] pd and threads with pd~ : was Re: i can has svn commit access?
hello, Tim Blechmann a écrit : So, i'd like to know it i'm to much optimistic, or if work on thread with pd will be obsolet when pd 0.42 will be out. i didn't check the sources, but from the description in miller's icmc paper, does anyone know where to fine this article? pd~ introduces a pipelined approach, i.e. adding one block of latency when audio data is passed from one thread to another. from my understanding, the pd~ approach is static, so a patch would need to be written explicitly for the number of threads ... well, if you can make an threaded_soudfiler abstraction based on pd~ and soundfiler, then it should be ok... pd~ has different limitations than max5's poly~, but is still far away from a general solution ... ok thanks Cyrille tim ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] pd and threads with pd~ : was Re: i can has svn commit access?
On Dec 2, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Damian Stewart wrote: cyrille henry wrote: hello, i'm maybe wrong, but it look like the pd~ object that is part of 0.42 test release offer a good and generic solution to create thread with pd. ok, hello, Miller? if you're reading: is there a roadmap for this sort of stuff? Yeah, I'd like to read that ICMC paper, is sucks that ICMC is so lame about publishing their papers. They are really difficult to get, even though I have access to two academic libraries (NYU and Brooklyn Polytechnic) and the NYPL, one of the world's largest. So for people outside of computer music academia, papers in ICMC are as close to good as not published at all. ICMC should follow the example of conferences like NIME (http://nime.org/ ), where all of the papers are available online and are freely downloadable. .hc -- damian stewart | skype: damiansnz | [EMAIL PROTECTED] frey | live art with machines | http://www.frey.co.nz ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] pd and threads with pd~ : was Re: i can has svn commit access?
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I'd like to read that ICMC paper, is sucks that ICMC is so lame about publishing their papers. They are really difficult to get, even though I have access to two academic libraries (NYU and Brooklyn Polytechnic) and the NYPL, one of the world's largest. So for people outside of computer music academia, papers in ICMC are as close to good as not published at all. ICMC should follow the example of conferences like NIME (http://nime.org/ ), where all of the papers are available online and are freely downloadable. I agree wholeheartedly. I'm actually trying to decide right now whether to publish something at ICMC or at NIME, and this makes the decision a lot tougher. (Specifically because my university is hosting ICMC next year, so it would make more sense for me, but on the other hand I want the paper made available.) Fortunately many people are just posting up their papers on their own websites, maybe Miller could do this. However, I suggest everyone who this bothers to email the admin for ICMC 2008, and ask for a copy of the paper: http://www.icmc2008.net/contact Steve ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] pd and threads with pd~ : was Re: i can has svn commit access?
Fortunately many people are just posting up their papers on their own websites, maybe Miller could do this. I don't know which paper was being talked about but they should all be up there on my website :) M ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] pd and threads with pd~ : was Re: i can has svn commit access?
hello, i had a look there, and did not find anything that could talk about pd~ ... so, i'm still searching for information about this. Cyrille Miller Puckette a écrit : Fortunately many people are just posting up their papers on their own websites, maybe Miller could do this. I don't know which paper was being talked about but they should all be up there on my website :) M ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] pd and threads with pd~ : was Re: i can has svn commit access?
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Miller Puckette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fortunately many people are just posting up their papers on their own websites, maybe Miller could do this. I don't know which paper was being talked about but they should all be up there on my website :) I figured! But I think they're referring to this year's ICMC, it looks like your site lists papers up to 2007. Specifically I assume this is what is being referred to: Miller Puckette, Thoughts on Parallel Computing for Music However I noticed beside this it says panel session, not paper session, so maybe it was not actually a written document but only an oral discussion. Steve ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] pd and threads with pd~ : was Re: i can has svn commit access?
On Dec 2, 2008, at 2:43 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: Fortunately many people are just posting up their papers on their own websites, maybe Miller could do this. I don't know which paper was being talked about but they should all be up there on my website :) Rumor has it there is a paper about the pd~ thread stuff somewhere. .hc M ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev All information should be free. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
