Re: [PD] installing netpd under gentoo using layman error maxlib

2007-11-20 Thread errordeveloper
so what you got there with /usr/lib/pd and doc/ in there ?? who does that belong to to whatever ..check it out and emerge --resume then .. ah, seems you got FEATURES=userpriv - so you might diasable thet .. but seems actually this a bug in the ebuild , it shouldn't try making that directory at

Re: [PD] installing netpd under gentoo using layman error maxlib

2007-11-20 Thread mescalinum
so what you got there with /usr/lib/pd and doc/ in there ?? who does that belong to to whatever ..check it out and emerge --resume then .. no way-.- ah, seems you got FEATURES=userpriv - so you might diasable thet .. but seems actually this a bug in the ebuild , it shouldn't try making

Re: [PD] Quicktime synthesizer on OS X

2007-11-20 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Derek Holzer wrote: On Linux, if QT Synth is setup as an ALSA Midi device, you can use the ALSA Midi in PD, or better yet use JACK to connect the MIDI ports. do you mean the new jack midi transport? afaik there is hardly any software that supports that one. otoh, alsa midi is totally

Re: [PD] Quicktime synthesizer on OS X

2007-11-20 Thread Derek Holzer
Yes, I meant QJackctl, not Jack MIDI Transport, which I think is designed escp for Ardour and similar timeline based Linux Audio apps. Sorry if I confused. d. IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Derek Holzer wrote: On Linux, if QT Synth is setup as an ALSA Midi device, you can use the ALSA Midi

Re: [PD] Quicktime synthesizer on OS X

2007-11-20 Thread Derek Holzer
Yes, I meant QJackctl, not Jack MIDI Transport, which I think is designed escp for Ardour and similar timeline based Linux Audio apps. Sorry if I confused. d. IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Derek Holzer wrote: On Linux, if QT Synth is setup as an ALSA Midi device, you can use the ALSA Midi

Re: [PD] [Pd] [swap] help incorrect

2007-11-20 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2007, Frank Barknecht wrote: However: numbers in the left inlet aren't stored Why don't you try to bang a [swap] ? You'd see that numbers in the left inlet are stored. Ah, yeah, of course, sorry for

Re: [PD] convert range (0 to 1) to (-4 to 4)

2007-11-20 Thread Derek Holzer
[number\ | [* 8] | [- 4] | [number\ bernardo amorim wrote: hello everybody i want to build a simple patch that converts the range 0 to 1 to -4 to 4 where 0.5 equals 0 in the second range. can anyone help? hugs bernardo -- Raging_Synth Bernardo Gomes de Amorim - 2007

Re: [PD] installing netpd under gentoo using layman error maxlib

2007-11-20 Thread errordeveloper
the Makefiles in the pd CVS tree are very are definetly not good. they needs fixing globaly. who is responsible for the CVS ? i think that all of them have to be generalised ,so we can easiely build anything. i do everything manually on my system, cause quite a few makefiles try to use -m32 in

[PD] Fwd: convert range (0 to 1) to (-4 to 4)

2007-11-20 Thread bernardo amorim
-- Forwarded message -- From: bernardo amorim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Nov 20, 2007 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [PD] convert range (0 to 1) to (-4 to 4) To: Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] hell yeah!!! that was the fastest answer i ever saw bearelly hit enter there i find the solution

Re: [PD] [Pd] / as separator for list2symbol?

2007-11-20 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Chuckk Hubbard hat gesagt: // Chuckk Hubbard wrote: On Nov 19, 2007 9:41 PM, Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should work just like that. Could you post an example demonstrating where it doesn't? Btw.: [list-l2s /] from [list]-abs works as well. I'll check that out. I

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-20 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, cristiano figueirÿf3 hat gesagt: // cristiano figueirÿf3 wrote: Hi list, i'm trying to study fft in Pd and still don't understand the numbers produced by the analysis. You maybe want to start with my Beginner's Guide to the FFT-objects in Pd at http://footils.org/cms/show/60 for

Re: [PD] [Pd] [swap] help incorrect

2007-11-20 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Claude Heiland-Allen hat gesagt: // Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: Chuckk Hubbard wrote: Something else: [swap] only works for floats. Is there an object somewhere that does the same for symbols? If you ask that, why not ask about pointers too? Or why not whole lists? Or why not

Re: [PD] convert range (0 to 1) to (-4 to 4)

2007-11-20 Thread matteo sisti sette
Or you may create an abstraction similar to the attached one, which mimics I think the behaviour of the [range] external included in (??) pd-extended (??) Left inlet is the value to be rescaled; inlets 2 to 5 are input range min/max and output range min/max, respectively. Also, creation arguments

Re: [PD] installing netpd under gentoo using layman error maxlib

2007-11-20 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the Makefiles in the pd CVS tree are very are definetly not good. they needs fixing globaly. who is responsible for the CVS ? nobody. the authors are responsible for their stuff. so: if zexy/src/Makefile is broken, it is my fault... i think that all of them have

Re: [PD] convert range (0 to 1) to (-4 to 4)

2007-11-20 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, bernardo amorim hat gesagt: // bernardo amorim wrote: i want to build a simple patch that converts the range 0 to 1 to -4 to 4 where 0.5 equals 0 in the second range. can anyone help? Now that you've already got some solutions for this case, it's maybe time to go for the more general

Re: [PD] convert range (0 to 1) to (-4 to 4)

2007-11-20 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, matteo sisti sette hat gesagt: // matteo sisti sette wrote: Or you may create an abstraction similar to the attached one, which mimics I think the behaviour of the [range] external included in (??) pd-extended (??) Quite often I use a similar one which I called expr_scale. It uses expr

Re: [PD] convert range (0 to 1) to (-4 to 4)

2007-11-20 Thread bernardo amorim
UAU thanks alot frank what a amazing explanantion... hugs bern. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-20 Thread hard off
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Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-20 Thread hard off
actually, that didn't help much at all...sorry. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-20 Thread hard off
so, i don't know too much about fft, but here's what i can gather. hopefully some people who actually understand it can explain where i am wrong: fft analyzes a 'block' of samples. a block is just a section of consecutive samples. pd's default block size is 64 samples, which is why you get 64

Re: [PD] installing netpd under gentoo using layman error maxlib

2007-11-20 Thread mescalinum
the Makefiles in the pd CVS tree are very are definetly not good. they needs fixing globaly. who is responsible for the CVS ? i think that all of them have to be generalised ,so we can easiely build anything. i do everything manually on my system, cause quite a few makefiles try to use

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-20 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
On Nov 20, 2007 5:39 PM, Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some calculations polar, for others cartesian coordinates are easier to use. To quote Miller: The main reason we use complex numbers in electronic music is because they magically automate trigonometric calculations. We

Re: [PD] [Pd] Writing subpatch contents, was Re: [Csnd] Writing subpatch contents

2007-11-20 Thread hard off
so why not just have 8 'sandboxes' all within one abstraction and then just save that every time you edit it? i always try to think within what i know pd can do..and then at a last resort look to externals or exotic patching fixesbut i don't think you're at the last resort yet. there must

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-20 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote: i'm really not sure about this next bit...but i think the reason why you get a real part and an imaginary part is because the analysis finds the angle between one sample and the next one. ..if it's a steep angle, then that's a high

Re: [PD] [Pd] Writing subpatch contents, was Re: [Csnd] Writing subpatch contents

2007-11-20 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
That at least mimics the way that Csound (and all of the Music N languages) have operated: a score/orchestra separation. ~Kyle On Nov 20, 2007 9:35 AM, hard off [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you could save your song data within the same abstraction as well, thus only one save every time you edit

Re: [PD] installing netpd under gentoo using layman error maxlib

2007-11-20 Thread errordeveloper
On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 01:56:19PM +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the Makefiles in the pd CVS tree are very are definetly not good. they needs fixing globaly. who is responsible for the CVS ? nobody. the authors are responsible for their stuff. so: if

Re: [PD] tabread4~~

2007-11-20 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
Uhm, just the fact that the majority of musicians don't even know what topology is, yet their music still sounds great, is enough for me to believe your conjecture. All this maths talk reminds me about why I've started playing a lot more guitar and focusing on content/lyrics/melody in music. You

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-20 Thread Thomas Mayer
Chuckk Hubbard wrote: On Nov 20, 2007 5:39 PM, Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some calculations polar, for others cartesian coordinates are easier to use. To quote Miller: The main reason we use complex numbers in electronic music is because they magically automate

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-20 Thread cristiano figueirÿfffff3
Hi, thanks for help, now i'm begining to understand :) hard off: pd's default block size is 64 samples, which is why you get 64 numbers for each FFT analysis in pd with default block size. ok, that i understand, i'll make some tests with this value...to modify the default i call the block~

Re: [PD] tabread4~~

2007-11-20 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007, Chris McCormick wrote: On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 01:02:16PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Anyway: I don't quite approve of the use of a double-tilde, which was my reason for the joke in the first place. In your opinion, what is a better way of textually representing a

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-20 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Chuckk Hubbard hat gesagt: // Chuckk Hubbard wrote: I still don't exactly understand why one couldn't just use (x, y) vectors; You *are* just using (x,y) rsp. (angle, radius) vectors. You can completely ignore the meaning of i as sqrt(-1) and just view i as the funny name of the second

Re: [PD] installing netpd under gentoo using layman error maxlib

2007-11-20 Thread errordeveloper
On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 04:59:18PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heh, it would be a definitely GOOD THING to tidy up our build systems. but HOW? i think of having one Makeglobal which will contain DESTDIR, CFALGS , *FLAGS ..etc all the general variebles.. and procedures (or how do you

Re: [PD] [print] and float arguments

2007-11-20 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Is there any particular reason why [print] does not accept float arguments? I think I want to add them. probably for a similar reason like why [send] does not accept float arguments? (this is of course not true; [send] requires binding to a label, and numbers

Re: [PD] installing netpd under gentoo using layman error maxlib

2007-11-20 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also there is acouple of external which have duplicated objects. what do you mean here? nameclashes? duplicated functionality? aliases? yeah ..i can't remenber, but when i used my strategy: #' foreach pde (`find -iname '*.pd_linux'`) ln -s $pde

Re: [PD] [print] and float arguments

2007-11-20 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 20, 2007, at 12:16 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Is there any particular reason why [print] does not accept float arguments? I think I want to add them. probably for a similar reason like why [send] does not accept float arguments? (this is of

Re: [PD] installing netpd under gentoo using layman error maxlib

2007-11-20 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
The Pd-extended Makefiles do use DESTDIR, CFLAGS, etc. but are only somewhat hierarchical. That stuff could be greatly improved for sure. Patches welcome :D I think that it autoconf/config.h should be the technique for handling libs and other dependencies. Perhaps automake would be

[PD] loadbang feature request

2007-11-20 Thread marius schebella
hi, there was a discussion 3 years ago about the inlet of loadbang. I see now that loadbang has lost its inlet, but actually it would be nice to have it back and to make it react to a bang message. 3 years ago frank and IOhannes said, they would vote for this feature too. I think this feature

Re: [PD] [print] and float arguments

2007-11-20 Thread Mike McGonagle
On Nov 20, 2007 12:43 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand your point. Basically what I am asking is, would anyone object to adding the ability to handle float args to [print]? Hans, I am not really sure exactly what you mean here. Is this something as

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-20 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, cristiano figueirÿf3 hat gesagt: // cristiano figueirÿf3 wrote: ok, that i understand, i'll make some tests with this value...to modify the default i call the block~ object rigth? Yes, just use [block~ 8] or so to get less output. Complex numbers are just pairs of numbers as

Re: [PD] [print] and float arguments

2007-11-20 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I don't understand your point. Basically what I am asking is, would anyone object to adding the ability to handle float args to [print]? No, I think this would be useful and I stumbled across [print] not accepting

[PD] Question about PDP and Packet Forth

2007-11-20 Thread Mike McGonagle
Hello all, I have been noticing the PDP stuff in PD for quite sometime, and so far, all I could figure out is that it is for video processing. The docs that I see make references to it being based on Packet Forth, but am I correct in thinking that PDP itself does not provide a Forth interpreter

Re: [PD] [print] and float arguments

2007-11-20 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Nov 20, 2007, at 12:16 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Is there any particular reason why [print] does not accept float arguments? I think I want to add them. probably for a similar reason like why [send] does not accept

[PD] [PD-announce] GridFlow 0.9.0

2007-11-20 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
http://gridflow.ca/download/gridflow-0.9.0.tar.gz version 0.9.0 (2007.11.20): * new object classes: [#slice], [#sort], [#line_to_polygon]. * rewrote some object classes from Ruby to Pd. * split compilation of the LTIlib support allows to compile it with reasonable amounts of RAM.

Re: [PD] pdp_freeframe for Ubuntu ppc

2007-11-20 Thread lluisgomez
hi bigswift, what do you mean with a funky error? i mean, can you paste the error please? i never compiled this ojects on a ppc but i think the problem could be more in the plugins ... for example some freeframe plugins make use of mmx operations that are not supported in ppc architecture...

Re: [PD] loadbang feature request

2007-11-20 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: there was a discussion 3 years ago about the inlet of loadbang. I see now that loadbang has lost its inlet, but actually it would be nice to have it back and to make it react to a bang message. 3 years ago frank and IOhannes

Re: [PD] loadbang feature request

2007-11-20 Thread Olivier Heinry
Le mardi 20 novembre 2007 à 22:24 +0100, Frank Barknecht a écrit : Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: there was a discussion 3 years ago about the inlet of loadbang. I see now that loadbang has lost its inlet, but actually it would be nice to have it back

Re: [PD] [print] and float arguments

2007-11-20 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 20, 2007, at 3:21 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Nov 20, 2007, at 12:16 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Is there any particular reason why [print] does not accept float arguments? I think I want to add them. probably

[PD] pdpedia : OSCroute vs routeOSC. pictures and infobox.

2007-11-20 Thread Olivier Heinry
Hi! I encountered a name clash in pdpedia : I was editing http://wiki.puredata.info/en/routeOSC and wanted to move the pagename from routeOSC to OSCroute for obvious reason and couldnt perform it since there was already another OSCroute page living there , namely oscx/OSCroute against

Re: [PD] pdpedia : OSCroute vs routeOSC. pictures and infobox.

2007-11-20 Thread marius schebella
hi, there is kind of a naming convention, that when two objects of different libraries have the same name then we write the libraryname in parantheses. like routeOSC (oscx) there are a lot of objects that need disambiguation pages. one is http://wiki.puredata.info/en/counter. or

Re: [PD] pdp_freeframe for Ubuntu ppc

2007-11-20 Thread bigswift
i can make -k and remove --mmx and build most of them i will post the error asap pp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi bigswift, what do you mean with a funky error? i mean, can you paste the error please? i never compiled this ojects on a ppc but i think the problem could be more

Re: [PD] error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol'

2007-11-20 Thread Javier Garcia
Jack wrote: there is an error in your patch with the toggle message entering in the left inlet). Look at the help patch about [route]. I know, it was like a joke.. I think, in your case you need [gate] or [pdp_route] I think i could use [gate], but... Could someone explain me why [pdp_route]

Re: [PD] error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol'

2007-11-20 Thread Jack
Hello Javier, Your error come from the link between [playlist] (output a symbol) and [K-motion_blur] in vj_appli2.pd. This abstraction contain after the inlet the [pdp_route] object. This last object is waiting for a pdp packet and here get a symbol. ++ Jack Le 21 nov. 07 à 00:33,

Re: [PD] [Pd] Writing subpatch contents, was Re: [Csnd] Writing subpatch contents

2007-11-20 Thread Chris McCormick
On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 12:35:23AM +0900, hard off wrote: you could save your song data within the same abstraction as well, thus only one save every time you edit your song. and then for every new song you'd just have to make a new patch B and use that to feed info into patch A As Frank

Re: [PD] tabread4~~

2007-11-20 Thread Chris McCormick
On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 10:47:06AM -0600, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: Uhm, just the fact that the majority of musicians don't even know what topology is, yet their music still sounds great, is enough for me to believe your conjecture. All this maths talk reminds me about why I've started playing a

Re: [PD] Question about PDP and Packet Forth

2007-11-20 Thread Claude Heiland-Allen
Mike McGonagle wrote: I have been noticing the PDP stuff in PD for quite sometime, and so far, all I could figure out is that it is for video processing. The docs that I see make references to it being based on Packet Forth, but am I correct in thinking that PDP itself does not provide a

Re: [PD] pdpedia : OSCroute vs routeOSC. pictures and infobox.

2007-11-20 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
[OSCroute] and [routeOSC] are different objects, so they should have separate pages. OSCroute is in oscx and routeOSC is in mrpeach.routeOSC includes code from OSCroute, that might have triggered some confusion. .hc On Nov 20, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Olivier Heinry wrote: Hi! I

[PD] SDIF

2007-11-20 Thread Ben Carney
Does anyone know if there is a n object that can handle SDIF files? that would be fantastic. BEnCARNEy ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] tabread4~~

2007-11-20 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
I can see how what I said may have been interpreted as being against the discussion, which I'm not. This list is a place for all sorts of dorkiness and that's fine. I suppose my comment was leakage of some of my thoughts about my own musical production and how ultimately burned-out I've become

Re: [PD] pdpedia in spanish (castellano)

2007-11-20 Thread Jaime Oliver
Hi Vircy sorry for the delay, i checked your edits and they look good. I did some of my own, based on the documentation, not the english pdpedia although i did read it. are we looking for something like this? http://wiki.puredata.info/es/line also, i am looking for the vanilla template as it is