Re: [PD] openpanel window popup behaviour

2009-08-26 Thread CICCOLIX
glerm soares ha scritto: Hiya, Is the openpanel popup window for choosing files default behaviour to appear back from the window you are running your patch? Seems tha this don't make too much sense and the worse is that some people get stuck when the window is invisible if the patch is with

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: A complete rewrite of Pd's GUI is starting to be usable. Miller has thanks for your hard work so far. Here are some observations from quickly running it for couple of minutes on Linux with blackbox window manager. -

Re: [PD] call for translations for new Pd GUI

2009-08-26 Thread brandt
Hello I#180;m not sure if this is off topic, but as you all talk about the gui I would like to post a wish. would it be possible to get at least the transparent numberbox back? This was really practical to compare results, if you lay one above the other. thanks in advance. der.brandt

Re: [PD] limiter questions

2009-08-26 Thread Derek Holzer
Hi Mirko, 1) Is there any reason not to use [limiter~] (i.e. to stay Vanilla)? 2) To avoid clicks, look at: [num\ | [pack 0 50] | [line~] where 50 can be replaced with the interpolation time you choose to avoid discontinuities. Output of [line~] can go to right inlet of [*~]. Using discreet

Re: [PD] limiter questions

2009-08-26 Thread Derek Holzer
Hey Frank, I was curious his reasons, but no value judgment implied ;-) I figured either he wanted to stay Vanilla or he was experimenting with building from low level objects as an exercise. Actually it's past time that I take a spin through rj-library just to see how things are handled

Re: [PD] limiter questions

2009-08-26 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Derek Holzer hat gesagt: // Derek Holzer wrote: Actually it's past time that I take a spin through rj-library just to see how things are handled with only vanilla. If only there was time... sigh Does the rj-lib limiter do everything in audio domain, or does it also use

Re: [PD] limiter questions

2009-08-26 Thread Mirko Maier
Hi Derek, 1) Is there any reason not to use [limiter~] (i.e. to stay Vanilla)? I would like to understand it! And [limiter~] also produces a dampening not in the right moment (my 2nd question). 2) To avoid clicks, look at: [num\ | [pack 0 50] | [line~] That doesn't work in my patch,

Re: [PD] limiter questions

2009-08-26 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Mirko Maier hat gesagt: // Mirko Maier wrote: 1) Is there any reason not to use [limiter~] (i.e. to stay Vanilla)? I would like to understand it! And [limiter~] also produces a dampening not in the right moment (my 2nd question). 2) To avoid clicks, look at: [num\ |

Re: [PD] limiter questions

2009-08-26 Thread Derek Holzer
Subtract 3 or 4 dB from the original 90 dB you used for the calculation? It has to do with peak-to-peak, which you need for absolute limiting, versus RMS which is what [env~] gives you, as I mentioned in the first mail... D. Mirko Maier wrote: ... which is normal, because your input signal

Re: [PD] limiter questions

2009-08-26 Thread Derek Holzer
You may want to investigate the relationship between dB and RMS further. Attached is a working patch, however very crudely. Have a look at the numbers given by the [dbtorms] and [rmstodb] objects. Note use of [line~] as well. best! D. Mirko Maier wrote: Subtract 3 or 4 dB from the original

Re: [PD] limiter questions

2009-08-26 Thread Mirko Maier
Thank you, but it definitely doesn't limit the signal! Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:16:17 +0200 Von: Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl An: Mirko Maier mir...@gmx.de CC: pd-list@iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] limiter questions You may want to investigate the

Re: [PD] limiter questions

2009-08-26 Thread Derek Holzer
But this one does. Working in RMS values appears to be the solution to your problem. D. Mirko Maier wrote: Thank you, but it definitely doesn't limit the signal! Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:16:17 +0200 Von: Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl An: Mirko Maier

Re: [PD] limiter questions

2009-08-26 Thread Derek Holzer
Too reiterate, try translating the values you put into your patch between dB and RMS. dB is logarithmic while RMS is linear, so your absolute gain increase of 4 times the original signal translates to 112 dB. 100 dB is the clipping point, or a Pd signal level of 1, thus 4x the original signal

Re: [PD] limiter questions

2009-08-26 Thread Mirko Maier
Dear Derik, thank you, that's the solution. Mirko Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:59:20 +0200 Von: Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl An: Mirko Maier mir...@gmx.de CC: pd-list@iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] limiter questions But this one does. Working in RMS values

Re: [PD] call for translations for new Pd GUI

2009-08-26 Thread João Pais
I forgot to add one detail, how to make a new translation: 1) Start with the template file: http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/branches/pd-devel/0.41.4/po/template.pot 2) rename it to your locale, using the language and maybe country code: - Bulgarian has only one

Re: [PD] Gem on :0.1

2009-08-26 Thread cyrille henry
hello Miha, the most simple would be to start nvidia-settings and configure your X server to use your 2 screen (twinview). so KDE would use both screen. then Gem would be able to create a window without any problem. otherwise, you can try sending a border 0 message before creating the window

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread dmotd
hi hcs, miller, i've been testing some changes i've made locally and i've just noticed in regards to the code miller checked into trunk, that it breaks autotools which is still attempting to install pd-gui (and failing). relevant changes will probably need to be made to 'makefile.in' i

Re: [PD] call for translations for new Pd GUI

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:34 AM, João Pais wrote: I forgot to add one detail, how to make a new translation: 1) Start with the template file: http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/branches/pd-devel/0.41.4/po/template.pot 2) rename it to your locale, using the language and maybe

Re: [PD] call for translations for new Pd GUI

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:39 AM, bra...@subnet.at wrote: Hello I#180;m not sure if this is off topic, but as you all talk about the gui I would like to post a wish. would it be possible to get at least the transparent numberbox back? This was really practical to compare results, if you lay

Re: [PD] openpanel window popup behaviour

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:01 AM, CICCOLIX wrote: glerm soares ha scritto: Hiya, Is the openpanel popup window for choosing files default behaviour to appear back from the window you are running your patch? Seems tha this don't make too much sense and the worse is that some people get

[PD] naming pd gui plugin scripts

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
So one of the features of the new GUI is that it will load little GUI plugins in the form of Tcl scripts. The additions to the canvas Properties/Open/Help popup menu are both scripts like this. You can see them in the 'pd/startup' folder. One thing that we haven't been able to do is

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Yeah, I think the 'install' targets in either the old src/configure.in build system or the new autogen.sh/configure.ac build system have not been dealt with. I'm pretty happy with the new build system, but it depends on libtool, which is kind of a pain. Ideally, it would not use libtool

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:35 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: A complete rewrite of Pd's GUI is starting to be usable. Miller has thanks for your hard work so far. Here are some observations from quickly running it for

Re: [PD] Gem on :0.1

2009-08-26 Thread Jaime Oliver
running nvidia-settings will also tell you if the nvidia driver is actually running... j On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:24 PM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote: hello Miha, the most simple would be to start nvidia-settings and configure your X server to use your 2 screen (twinview). so KDE

Re: [PD] call for translations for new Pd GUI

2009-08-26 Thread João Pais
and for the terms that stay the same as in english, do I have to input them, or just let the space empty? On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:34 AM, João Pais wrote: I forgot to add one detail, how to make a new translation: 1) Start with the template file:

Re: [PD] openpanel window popup behaviour

2009-08-26 Thread CICCOLIX
Hans-Christoph Steiner ha scritto: On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:01 AM, CICCOLIX wrote: glerm soares ha scritto: Hiya, Is the openpanel popup window for choosing files default behaviour to appear back from the window you are running your patch? Seems tha this don't make too much sense and the

[PD] [PD-announce] Convocatoria: Taller de Algoritmia Septiembre 2009

2009-08-26 Thread Correa Diego
Telemática Aplicada a las Artes. Técnicas en música electroacústica, circuitos electrónicos, bioelectrónica y procesamiento de señal digital en tiempo real. http://labormedia.cl/algoritmia Resumen: La orientación del taller es la integración de conocimientos prácticos de medios musicales,

[PD] Bienal Internacional de Arquitetura

2009-08-26 Thread Ariane stolfi
Hi, One of my advisors is aking for sugestions about artists, architects and designers who works with interventions in the urban medium, to perform or to make interventions in the International Biennial of Arquitecture here in Brasil, that will be in the last tree months of this year, here in São

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
DesireData's is quite nice, for example. Make the layout work well, make the text and buttons communicate well, provide useful things on the pd window, etc. I'd be very happy with a slightly simpler version DesireData's. But its GPL, so we can't just take it for vanilla without getting

Re: [PD] call for translations for new Pd GUI

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Yes, the English terms are the keys, don't change them. A good editor program should make that apparent, that one reason to use a PO editor instead of a text editor. Also, if you want the text to be the same as the english text, leave the entry blank, and it'll do the right thing. .hc

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It won't let you go smaller than the menubar on the window. I think, being able to make a window smaller should be a default action/script, as it is with the old Pd. It definitely should be possible without externals.

[PD] add your patches to the Media menu

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Hey all, I am still looking for use cases for scriptlets for the new GUI, so I've heard people request adding their own patches to the Media menu. I whipped up a quick scriptlet that let's you do just that, just 5 lines of Tcl. Its attached, and also checked into SVN into pd/ startup.

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It won't let you go smaller than the menubar on the window. I think, being able to make a window smaller should be a default action/script, as it is with the old

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It won't let you go smaller than the menubar on the window. I think, being able to make a

Re: [PD] call for translations for new Pd GUI

2009-08-26 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, bra...@subnet.at wrote: I'm not sure if this is off topic, but as you all talk about the gui I would like to post a wish. would it be possible to get at least the transparent numberbox back? This was really practical to compare results, if you lay one above the other.

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread marius schebella
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: A complete rewrite of Pd's GUI is starting to be usable. Miller has accepted the core of this code into his repo for 0.43. Now we need to get the whole thing done! There is now a branch for continuing off of Miller's initial 0.43 commit here:

Re: [PD] is there a way to separate colors layer in PIDIP

2009-08-26 Thread t'es in t'es bat
Hello, then is there a way to separate the yuv layer and apply a delay on it ??? 2009/8/23 ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com hola, pdp/pidip have been all implemented in yuv colorspace, for performance reasons when computers were slower ( it's half the size of rgb )... so you

Re: [PD] is there a way to separate colors layer in PIDIP

2009-08-26 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, t'es in t'es bat wrote: Hello, then is there a way to separate the yuv layer and apply a delay on it ??? You'd probably be disappointed by it. I found the channel separation to be a lot more enjoyable when each components has at least a bit of luma (luminosité) in it,

Re: [PD] call for translations for new Pd GUI

2009-08-26 Thread João Pais
I isntalled the PO editor, it works quite well. any tcl/tk guru here? doesn tcl/tk documentation exist in several languages? that might help a bit, right? (I looked briefly for something, but couldn't find much) Yes, the English terms are the keys, don't change them. A good editor

Re: [PD] call for translations for new Pd GUI

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Aug 26, 2009, at 6:04 PM, João Pais wrote: I isntalled the PO editor, it works quite well. Which one? It would be good to keep tabs on which ones work well. I didn't have very good luck with POedit, but I didn't try that hard. gtranslator seemed nicer. LocFactory Editor is good

Re: [PD] naming pd gui plugin scripts

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Aug 26, 2009, at 5:22 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: And of course, try writing your own scripts for the GUI. And because there is no well-defined interface for it, those scripts will quickly depend on any internal function that you

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Aug 26, 2009, at 5:14 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: A complete rewrite of Pd's GUI is starting to be usable. Miller has accepted the core of this code into his repo for 0.43. Now we need to get the whole thing done! There is now a branch for continuing

Re: [PD] call for translations for new Pd GUI

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Aug 26, 2009, at 6:21 PM, João Pais wrote: I isntalled the PO editor, it works quite well. Which one? It would be good to keep tabs on which ones work well. I didn't have very good luck with POedit, but I didn't try that hard. gtranslator seemed nicer. LocFactory Editor is good

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Aug 26, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It won't let you go smaller than the

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread marius schebella
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 5:14 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: A complete rewrite of Pd's GUI is starting to be usable. Miller has accepted the core of this code into his repo for 0.43. Now we need to get the whole thing done! There is

[PD] [pd META] metadata format WAS: pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Aug 26, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It won't let you go smaller than the

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Aug 26, 2009, at 6:43 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 5:14 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: A complete rewrite of Pd's GUI is starting to be usable. Miller has accepted the core of this code into his repo for 0.43.

Re: [PD] call for translations for new Pd GUI

2009-08-26 Thread João Pais
One problem, that might happen in other languages: as I understood, official terms like toggle, array, number2 etc don't get translated, right? (I think it's better not to) There is one word, number, which is used for the object, and for the properties window of radios. The correct

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread marius schebella
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 6:43 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 5:14 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: A complete rewrite of Pd's GUI is starting to be usable. Miller has accepted the core of this

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:41 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 6:43 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 5:14 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: A complete rewrite of Pd's GUI is

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread marius schebella
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:41 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 6:43 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 5:14 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: A complete

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread mescali...@gmail.com
Frank Barknecht wrote: - The categories like midi, network, storage seem arbitrary (like all categories do). Maybe use the categories of help-intro? yes, categories are arbitrary :-) but that menu is a bit different. first it uses tags. it builds the top level categories by

Re: [PD] add your patches to the Media menu

2009-08-26 Thread glerm soares
Not directly related to this, but... Would be nice also have a menu for setting the colors of canvas, object, message, atoms, etc... ex: set canvas_fill #bac08c; set msg_cord #ff; set text_color #00; set msg_box_fill #f8ef60; set box_outline #ff; set obj_box_fill #8faa80; set

Re: [PD] openpanel window popup behaviour

2009-08-26 Thread glerm soares
I was not looking for a solution like modifing my pd.tk because in my particular case i am just using gnome with compiz and solved the issue. My question was how to assure that when sharing a patch with other newbies using gnome, our patch will open the patch with the window popping in front of

Re: [PD] pd 0.43 branch with the new GUI code

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:23 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:41 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 6:43 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 5:14 PM, marius

Re: [PD] openpanel window popup behaviour

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Hey glerm, I don't think there is an easy way to fix it thru sys_gui or something like that. Try the Pd-extended 0.42.5 build and report back if it solves your problem. Then we'll know whether the problem has been solved for the next release. Then it'll be easy for newbies :) .hc On

Re: [PD] add your patches to the Media menu

2009-08-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I added canvas_fill, but the rest require bigger modifications than can go into this phase of the rewrite. But Pd-extended will continue to support them. I've been messing with the 'option' command, it should let you do such things, and more. Check out pd/startup/disabled/gtklook.tcl.

Re: [PD] openpanel window popup behaviour

2009-08-26 Thread CICCOLIX
glerm soares ha scritto: Would this be possible sending a command to the śys_gui object or tot or some object that can modify tcl-tk like that? (assuming they are using something like pd-extended =0.40) if you contemplate the possibility of using toxy or more generally pd-extended you do