Re: [PD] attack/release for spectral gate [was: is this a spectral gate?]

2007-03-29 Thread Kevin McCoy
Got it - do be sure to check out I04.noisegate.pd, they may have beaten you to it. Even so we should add attack/release with vectral~ (which is maybe a standard object now?) and offer the patch as an improvement to the documentation. k On 3/29/07, Charles Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool!

Re: [PD] attack/release for spectral gate [was: is this a spectral gate?]

2007-03-29 Thread Kevin McCoy
Tom, Your approach is really sensible and what I was originally seeking to do, but it's difficult in Pd without the help of a few externals I imagine. [vectral~] has ended up working just fine and may open some doors into other strange manipulations :) Thanks for being willing to share your

Re: [PD] attack/release for spectral gate [was: is this a spectral gate?]

2007-03-28 Thread Kevin McCoy
Hi Chuck! Actually I was working on it tonight. The problem with it is that it is too harsh and leaves too many artifacts on the signal right now because the binary [~] from zexy needs to be smoothed out with attack/release that persists across different blocks in time. What I tried tonight

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-23 Thread Josh Steiner
that is one hell of a lot of fun to play with. padawan12 wrote: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:30:28 +0100 Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of little improvements to specdelay to make it more useful as an audio effect. Hallo, David Powers hat gesagt: // David Powers wrote:

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-23 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, padawan12 hat gesagt: // padawan12 wrote: A couple of little improvements to specdelay to make it more useful as an audio effect. Very nice. Now one can do instant french filter house with it as well! With under 100 objects: $ grep obj specdelay~.pd | wc -l 98 Ciao -- Frank

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-22 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Josh Steiner hat gesagt: // Josh Steiner wrote: what is the advantage of spitting out these values in polar coords? According to the DSP-Guide it this: When should you use rectangular notation and when should you use polar? Rectangular notation is usually the best choice for

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-22 Thread Tom Erbe
Yes, this is true. For many FFT based effects (like spectral gates), you don't really need to convert completely to polar (this conversion can be more expensive than the FFT). For a spectral gate, just calculate the amplitude from real and imag, make your gate decision based on the

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-22 Thread Charles Henry
When should you use rectangular notation and when should you use polar? Addition vs. Multiplication, of course Addition must be done in rectangular coordinates a+bi + c+di=(a+c) + (b+d)i which we cannot do in polar coordinates, we have to convert back to rect. coords Multiplication is

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-22 Thread we are
On 2/21/07, Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, to give you a blackbox maybe like in Reaktor, attached is a Spectral Delay GOP abstraction ready to be dropped into any glitch patch. Thanks Frank this little black box is wonderful. i think pd would be really attractive to more

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-22 Thread we are
oh and thanks for the fft tute to frank! On 2/23/07, we are [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/21/07, Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, to give you a blackbox maybe like in Reaktor, attached is a Spectral Delay GOP abstraction ready to be dropped into any glitch patch. Thanks

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-22 Thread padawan12
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:30:28 +0100 Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of little improvements to specdelay to make it more useful as an audio effect. Hallo, David Powers hat gesagt: // David Powers wrote: I wish there was an fft for dumbies ... or, I guess, some kind of

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread David Powers
Wow, I heard of fftease before, but I had never actually looked carefully at it. That looks incredibly promising, thanks so much! I should probably start to look seriously at VASP too - I'm really starting to get more interested in PD for non-realtime sound design anyway, as opposed to a realtime

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread Kevin McCoy
David, I sympathize - what about the fftease package? I don't know anything about it but it may have something like you described if I remember correctly. I was really screwed on understanding FFT until I looked at the VASP examples and then it made a little sense. The wonderful thing about Pd

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, David Powers hat gesagt: // David Powers wrote: I wish there was an fft for dumbies ... or, I guess, some kind of fft black boxes to play with, where you don't need to understand the math. Frank's recent post completely lost me, Now I'm disappointed ... though given a bit of study I

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread Kevin McCoy
Frank, OK I was able to look at this sooner than I expected (can't sleep!). Thank you *so* much. It makes perfect sense now!! Even though I don't understand their basis completely, those formulas for amp/phase really help. I can't wait to do some insane stuff, and of course I will post my

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Kevin McCoy hat gesagt: // Kevin McCoy wrote: Let's do as Kyle suggested and get this on the community site somewhere maybe with some images of arrays to clarify? Hm, seems my mail from yesterday git lost: I already put it on my site here: http://footils.org/cms/show/60 including some

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread Michal Seta
fftease covers most popular spectral manipulation goodies. Originally by Eric Lyon and ported to pd by Thomas Grill, IIRC. ./MiS David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wish there was an fft for dumbies ... or, I guess, some kind of fft black boxes to play with, where you don't need to

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread Malte Steiner
David Powers wrote: I wish there was an fft for dumbies ... or, I guess, some kind of fft black boxes to play with, I started my fftadventure this way, using the phase vocoder examples and embed them into my patches. I think meanwhile there is a pvoc object out to simplify things but didnt

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread David Powers
This looks sweet, thanks Frank! Hoping to have a play with this as soon as I get to do some actual music making later this week. By the way, I thought I'd clarify what I meant with the example of Plogue Bidule. The website invites one to: Transform audio in the spectral domain, with Bidule's FFT

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread David Powers
On 2/21/07, David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see that I can also get the freq and amplitude info from PD's fft, once I'm awake enough to follow your math anyway! But I'm wondering where the phase comes in exactly - in Plogue I'm assuming the phases are somehow calculated

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread jared
This looks sweet, thanks Frank! Hoping to have a play with this as soon as I get to do some actual music making later this week Hey guys, sorry I arrived a little late to the thread Frank, did you post an example of the FFT patch that you explained? If so, would you mind posting it

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
jared wrote: Hey guys, sorry I arrived a little late to the thread Frank, did you post an example of the FFT patch that you explained? If so, would you mind posting it again? J all postings are archived at http://lists.puredata.info there you can search what people have

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread jared
Great, thanks. I wasn't sure if it was just a quick patch that he posted via the list. -Original Message- From: IOhannes m zmoelnig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:38 PM To: jared Cc: 'David Powers'; pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] is this a spectral

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, jared hat gesagt: // jared wrote: This looks sweet, thanks Frank! Hoping to have a play with this as soon as I get to do some actual music making later this week Hey guys, sorry I arrived a little late to the thread Frank, did you post an example of the FFT patch that you

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, David Powers hat gesagt: // David Powers wrote: This looks sweet, thanks Frank! Hoping to have a play with this as soon as I get to do some actual music making later this week. By the way, I thought I'd clarify what I meant with the example of Plogue Bidule. The website invites one to:

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread David Powers
On 2/21/07, Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fiddle works a bit differently, but it will not give enough information to make a clean resynthesis. Remember: An FFT on a blocksize of 1024 will give you 1024/2 = 512 resynthesis channels, or 512 virtual oscillators. fiddle~ basically

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread Josh Steiner
Frank Barknecht wrote: So basically, in most of the simple fft software, they split the signal into freq and amplitude. You can see in the screenshot this is represented by yellow and orange connectors, and they have specific objects so you can play with a whole bunch of crazy transformations

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread Chris McCormick
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 12:54:21PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: This means, that resynthesizing this signal at SR=48000 would be similar to using oscillators like this: [osc~ 0] | [*~ 4.4602] [osc~ 6000] | [*~ 1.1871] [osc~ 12000] | [*~ 0.62254] [osc~

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-21 Thread Chris McCormick
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 08:11:01PM -0600, Kevin McCoy wrote: osc~'s right inlet only takes data, if I'm correct. Exactly. It takes a message to set the phase, if I remember correctly. Wait, I'm wrong. It only resets the phase according to the help file. I wonder how hard it would be to make the

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-20 Thread hard off
yeah i think you're distorting the daylights out of it. have a look at the help patch i03-resynthesis. it shows how to divide the signal so it doesn't max out crazily. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-20 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Kevin McCoy hat gesagt: // Kevin McCoy wrote: I am still pretty new at FFT things but I am having a lot of fun. I know Tom Erbe's soundhack has something called a spectral gate so I thought I'd give it a shot and try to make my own in Pd after reading about it. Doesn't sound all that

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-20 Thread hard off
wow! thanks for all that Frank!! ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-20 Thread Malte Steiner
reach. pd seems to have all the theory and capability to do the impressive fft audio processing but i find really nice examples difficult to find. i tend to get base level examples of what you have described.(wma files :). Check out the phase vocoder examples in the audioexamples, a use-

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

2007-02-20 Thread David Powers
I wish there was an fft for dumbies ... or, I guess, some kind of fft black boxes to play with, where you don't need to understand the math. Frank's recent post completely lost me, though given a bit of study I can probably decode it. But, for instance, in Reaktor or Plogue Bidule, you can move