On Mon, 21 Mar 2011, ailo wrote:
Art is the product or process of deliberately arranging items (often
with symbolic significance) in a way that influences and affects one or
more of the senses, emotions, and intellect.
This sounds like it would include advertisement, spin-doctoring,
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From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] Am I alone?
To: ailo ailo...@gmail.com
Cc: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com, pd-list@iem.at
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 6:24 PM
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011, ailo wrote
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Thu, 3/24/11, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
The mysterious skill meaning of art is closer to the
original meaning of the word. Tech is a greek word that
means Art... etc. But university artists tend to ignore
this use of the
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Subject: Re: [PD] Am I alone?
To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: ailo ailo...@gmail.com, pd-list@iem.at
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 8:42 PM
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011, Jonathan
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Well, the evidence offered that university artists tend toward a
particular conception of art is that Duchamp and Cage are found there,
implying that where you find _them_ you find that conception.
Knowing them is one thing, enjoying them is
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To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: ailo ailo...@gmail.com, pd-list@iem.at
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 10:15 PM
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011, Jonathan
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
But you explicitly excluded Duchamp/Cage from the mysterious skill
conception. (Unless mentioning them was a non sequitur.)
That's the sort of confusion generated by writing too many things in too
few words, perhaps. Anyway, I don't call it
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Subject: Re: [PD] Am I alone?
To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: ailo ailo...@gmail.com, pd-list@iem.at
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 11:19 PM
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011, Jonathan
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 12:15 AM, ailo ailo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 03/21/2011 11:47 PM, Matt Barber wrote:
My apologies for that remark -- it's not quite how I meant it. I did
not mean this particular discussion or anything anyone here said. What
I mean is that the broad what is music
On 03/20/2011 01:28 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Words like beauty and ugliness are commonly used. When
we say, I like ugly things, does that make these things
wrong? [...]
It can if that's part of your morality that you accept (tacitly or not).
If you also accept that the concept of music
If you want a shortcut, take the Modernist approach-- you just
completely disregard the aesthetic/cultural/social context in which the
art is made, reimagine the art as a self-contained, closed work,
and just assume that every artist in the world is either another
modernist or some
I feel I want to put a quote here:
Immanuel Kant said that there are two things, that dont have to mean
anything. One is music and the other is laughter.
John Cage
On 03/21/2011 02:49 PM, Matt Barber wrote:
If you want a shortcut, take the Modernist
2011/3/21 blackendwh...@web.de:
I feel I want to put a quote here:
Immanuel Kant said that there are two things, that dont have to mean
anything. One is music and the other is laughter.
John Cage
A nested quote :)
On 03/21/2011 02:49 PM, Matt Barber wrote:
If you want a shortcut, take the Modernist approach-- you just
completely disregard the aesthetic/cultural/social context in which the
art is made, reimagine the art as a self-contained, closed work,
and just assume that every artist in the world is
If you want a shortcut, take the Modernist approach-- you just
completely disregard the aesthetic/cultural/social context in which the
art is made, reimagine the art as a self-contained, closed work,
and just assume that every artist in the world is either another
modernist or some
On 03/21/2011 11:47 PM, Matt Barber wrote:
My apologies for that remark -- it's not quite how I meant it. I did
not mean this particular discussion or anything anyone here said. What
I mean is that the broad what is music discussion overall tends to
annoy me and make me sad, sick at heart,
sorry, my following reply sat a long time in my email account.
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, ailo wrote:
I guess what I meant was, can we define music generally so that everyone
can agree on what is the definition of music?
Well, if «everyone» also includes those people who purposefully want you
to
Oh no, not again...
2011/3/19 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
sorry, my following reply sat a long time in my email account.
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, ailo wrote:
I guess what I meant was, can we define music generally so that everyone
can agree on what is the definition of music?
Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the
bowl of petunias had thought that we would know a lot more
about the nature of the universe than we do now.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:34:15 +0100
Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh no, not again...
2011/3/19 Mathieu
ROTFL ! But personally, I'd rather bet on the spermwhale.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2011, Andy Farnell wrote:
Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the
bowl of petunias had thought that we would know a lot more
about the nature of the universe than we do now.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2011
--- On Sat, 3/19/11, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] Am I alone?
To: ailo ailo...@gmail.com
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 11:27 PM
sorry, my following reply sat a long time in my email
account
Mathieu, a fun-fact note on recent spermwhale research
- http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/03/sperm-whale-names/
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/03/sperm-whale-names/Probably they
know a lot :)
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.cawrote:
ersonally,
On 30 January 2011 04:17, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote:
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The people involved try too hard to be the electronic
version of John
Cage, it's quite annoying.
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--- On Wed, 2/2/11, patko colet.patr...@free.fr wrote:
no one would be actually ridiculous by generating music
with brain (Can you say that about chicken dance?).
I chose the example of the Chicken Dance exactly because it is
On Wed, 2 Feb 2011, Stephane Nguyen wrote:
(PS: I didn't want to annoy any one with my 18:50 PM tough , at least it
was not my goal :)
The post I saw was timestamped 18:53. If you posted something else
timestamped 18:50, I didn't see it at all. I can only see one post by you
in the pd-list
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Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 6:46 AM
On 2 February 2011 03:13, Jonathan
Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
wrote
On Wed, 2 Feb 2011, J. Simon van der Walt wrote:
‘There is no such thing as music. Music is not a thing at all but an
activity, something that people do.’
Christopher Small (1998) ‘Musicking: The Meanings of Performing and Listening’
An activity is a kind of thing.
It's an ontological issue.
There must be some explanatory context missing from that quote because as it
is, it looks like a flip play on words:
There is no such thing as the Chicken Dance. The Chicken Dance is not a thing
at all but an activity, something people do.
-Jonathan
I think music is globaly a raisonnance buisness.
Not something material, like an instrument itself
even if it is also a physical phenomena , because we can hear it
through the air.
And it is also a communication system where several poeple can be
involved in.
You can remember a music like a
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To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: pd-list pd-list@iem.at
Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 12:37 PM
Music is something we can have
permenantly in the mind
Well, their ideas behind the music are their ideas behind the music. The
music that results is the music that results.
Composers tend to do a terrible job articulating what#39;s relevant in their
own work. I#39;d take what a composer professes to be interested in with a
grain of salt.
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, Dominic Pflaum wrote:
But in direct response to what you wrote, I believe
But we're not talking about the man, we're talking about the music.
-Jonathan
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To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca, pd
On 2 February 2011 03:13, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote:
But we're not talking about the man, we're talking about the music.
‘There is no such thing as music. Music is not a thing at all but an
activity, something that people do.’
Christopher Small (1998) ‘Musicking: The Meanings of
Obvious troll. Send him to SIberia for re-education, let him make the
same stupid, halfway mainstream, commercially-aspiring, completely
boring intelligent dance music that every other Ableton Live user
might make and leave the rest of us alone.
D.
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Honestly, all such discussions about this or that music sounds so weird
to me.
Whatever is your background and your taste, whatever you decide to do in
your leisure or contract time that's simply up to you. Personally, such
topic doesn't really suit the list.
Throwing sentences this way is
There's so many cases where these questions can never be generalized, so
I find it's pretty much impossible to discuss music in a general
fashion. Can we even define what music is?
For me, I would define music as how I interpret sound, no matter what
produces it. The music is real when I hear it,
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, ailo wrote:
There's so many cases where these questions can never be generalized, so
I find it's pretty much impossible to discuss music in a general
fashion.
Ok, let's say I follow all the links posted on a mailing-list, and all I
find are tracks in which I want to
I think it was Miles Davis who said music was like food, eat the stuff you
like, leave the stuff you don't.
But in direct response to what you wrote, I believe there are some people
who are more interested in the ideas behind the music, than the actual
sounds produced; the sounds produced are
On 01/30/2011 04:21 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, ailo wrote:
There's so many cases where these questions can never be generalized,
so I find it's pretty much impossible to discuss music in a general
fashion.
Ok, let's say I follow all the links posted on a
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, Dominic Pflaum wrote:
But in direct response to what you wrote, I believe there are some
people who are more interested in the ideas behind the music, than the
actual sounds produced; the sounds produced are almost a souvenir of the
idea. It's not my approach, but who am
That's a pretty pompous writeup. Why don't you just post a link to your work
instead of making broad generalizations about other un-specified material?
Ben Baker-Smith
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http://bitsynthesis.com
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On 1/29/11 12:16 PM, Josh Moore wrote:
Well in my opinion most electroacoustic shit is all surrealist/dadaist crap.
The people involved try too hard to be the electronic version of John
Cage, it's quite annoying.
In fact, I'm so against it that I'm going to come up with a parody
album with
Are you alone? On this list, probably :)
Next question: is this a troll bot? If so, it's pretty cool. I wonder
if it's authored in csound, max, chuck or pd?
JS
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well, I use to think like you, but you should think about the people that has
invented many stuff like vocoder that is now used a lot in commercial craps ^^.
Also many composers has made pieces that sounds like a mix of baby toys, but at
the same time they develop technology that is now
I even read the Pd/Max/Csound/Chuck mailing lists too but I choose to
make actual music with those tools.
How do you define Actual Music? Some of us happen to define
chainsaw in cave 6 feet down as music ;)
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I am a newbie in electronic music (not dance music by the way, electronic in
the broad sense) but i am also a classic musician, teacher, I also played
in traditional music groups etc... background aside here goes the idea.
A long time ago, in the renaissance and before, a third and a sixth were
Problem is that nowadays each composition student does an exercise and call
it a piece... but that is a social problem not of the techniques.
Greetings Ricardo :)
2011/1/29 Ricardo Lameiro ricardolame...@gmail.com
I am a newbie in electronic music (not dance music by the way, electronic
in
--- On Sat, 1/29/11, Josh Moore kh405.7h3...@gmail.com wrote:
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Subject: [PD] Am I alone?
To: pd-list@iem.at, chuck-us...@lists.cs.princeton.edu,
cso...@lists.bath.ac.uk, m...@bek.no
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 9:16 PM
Well in my opinion most
One of the best replies ever on this list. Kudos Jonathan.
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To all involved in this discussion, the last few responses were great. :)
It was a bit harsh to some, and I figured as much but it's also a very
real question.
Beatthefinalboss and a couple others hit the nail on the head, and
that's partially what I meant in my long rant.
From the things I've
Actually, that comment was meant towards Ricardo not Beatthefinalboss,
it's weird reading a mailinglist in gmail. Sorry for the confusion!
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Josh Moore kh405.7h3...@gmail.com wrote:
To all involved in this discussion, the last few responses were great. :)
It was
Great reference to 4:33 Jonathan :D
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