Le 2011-10-24 à 20:27:00, Andy Farnell a écrit :
It's not a discouragement to Matt to contact the author,
Who is Matt ?
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Trying not to drift this to the usual 'anti-Apple' thing and no direct
critique to the OP, But:
I think it's in a way good that people realise some of the close-minded
(at the most) views and policies of Apple. And their consequences.
Especially in the 'creative/artistic' landscape which the
i am. i probably shouldn't mess round with my mail settings so much.
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I'm glad you caught my drift Lorenzo.
It was never Matt's asking that bothered me, nor the
letter nor the spirit of the authors' licences'.
But it was the reasons for him feeling the need to ask in the
first place.
The mechanism by which a simple manufacturer of hardware gets
to set themselves
Update: Shahrokh just wrote me that he has asked IRCAM if they would be okay
with releasing the expr code under LGPL.
Quote:
“I got news from IRCAM that they are willing to release expr code on LGPL. Will
that solve the current licensing problems? Max, could you communicate to the
list and let
look, i agree with all this to a point,
BUT, i do think that [expr] is a special case.
i would never, for example, suggest writing to James McCartney to ask him
about a license change for supercollider so you could make an iphone app
with it. That program is obviously GNU and that's how it's
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:20:32 +0900
i go bananas hard@gmail.com wrote:
However, one of the real special gems for me in my journey through the world
of pd, was discovering that not only was it a fantastic way to program, but
also, that Miller had issued pd through a license that i had never
yeah. this is a very unfair part of the music industry too. the
originators get forgotten, and the follow on-ers get all the benefits.
take this 'new' scene of dubstep that has just sprung up. you have american
kids with faked writs cuts drawn with texta pens to impress the twilight emo
yeah searches for this error in particular
CGSRegisterCursorWithImages have not yielded much help.
I have posted to the tcl-mac list... we will see whats said.
cheers
m
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:
On Monday, October 24, 2011 2:47 PM,
I for one find all the license talk fascinating. I'm still smarting from
Mathieu's response to the question 'what is free software? - answer a set
of licenses, from a while back. Whereas I like to think of it as an
ethical and political manifesto/code of conduct, he's quite correct that yes
it
Le 2011-10-25 à 10:17:00, Andy Farnell a écrit :
The mechanism by which a simple manufacturer of hardware gets to set
themselves up as arbiters of taste, decency, political correctness, code
quality, economic models, acceptable use... ... is baffling and
disturbing.
That's not anything new,
Le 2011-10-25 à 12:19:00, Max a écrit :
So what is the situation now that expr could be LGPL instead of GPL?
What does that mean for things like the Apple App Store?
In the end I'm not sure anymore that LGPL would be fine, even though it
does look like Apple ships with LGPL libs. (Though
Le 2011-10-25 à 19:20:00, i go bananas a écrit :
However, one of the real special gems for me in my journey through the
world of pd, was discovering that not only was it a fantastic way to
program, but also, that Miller had issued pd through a license that i
had never even heard of before,
Le 2011-10-25 à 12:46:00, Andy Farnell a écrit :
And we continue to fight daily against moronic anti-economies of
shortsighted, lazy, greedy, controlling profit before productivity
thinking.
Doesn't that sound like banks getting governments to steal from the poor
for them ? I mean, tax on
Le 2011-10-25 à 15:06:00, Julian Brooks a écrit :
I for one find all the license talk fascinating. I'm still smarting
from Mathieu's response to the question 'what is free software? - answer
a set of licenses, from a while back. Whereas I like to think of it
as an ethical and political
Wow, searching for CGSRegisterCursorWithImages only returns this
thread! That's obscure...
Thanks for handling this, keep us posted on any progress.
.hc
On Oct 25, 2011, at 10:00 AM, m.e.grimm wrote:
yeah searches for this error in particular
CGSRegisterCursorWithImages have not
On Oct 25, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2011-10-25 à 12:19:00, Max a écrit :
So what is the situation now that expr could be LGPL instead of
GPL? What does that mean for things like the Apple App Store?
In the end I'm not sure anymore that LGPL would be fine, even though
Am 25.10.2011 um 19:10 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:
On Oct 25, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2011-10-25 à 12:19:00, Max a écrit :
So what is the situation now that expr could be LGPL instead of GPL? What
does that mean for things like the Apple App Store?
In the end
On Oct 25, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Max wrote:
Am 25.10.2011 um 19:10 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:
On Oct 25, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2011-10-25 à 12:19:00, Max a écrit :
So what is the situation now that expr could be LGPL instead of
GPL? What does that mean for things
- Original Message -
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
To: Max abonneme...@revolwear.com
Cc: PD list pd-list@iem.at; Shahrokh Yadegari s...@ucsd.edu
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] expr alternative
On Oct 25, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Max wrote:
this is def. some kind of cursor problem. this specifically happens
when i go into edit mode with command + e as in the error below
which keeps the same out of edit mode pointer.
.x1002263c0 editmode 1;
.x1002263c0 configure -cursor $cursor_editmode_nothing
pdtk_canvas_editmode .x1002263c0 1
Hey Martin,
I haven't heard that before. Do you have any references on the App
Store being compatible with the LGPL? I found this write-up on the
topic, it makes sense to me, and outlines basically how the App Store
is incompatible with the FSF copyleft idea, which is definitely
You could try commenting out the code that changes the cursor. And see
if that works otherwise. That would at least isolate the problem.
.hc
On Oct 25, 2011, at 1:49 PM, m.e.grimm wrote:
this is def. some kind of cursor problem. this specifically happens
when i go into edit mode with
It must be part of an undocumented private API in CoreGraphics/Quartz. There
are plenty of these out in the wild :o/
Andras
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 18:54, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:
Wow, searching for CGSRegisterCursorWithImages only returns this thread!
That's obscure...
Le 2011-10-25 à 10:45:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
2) all the expr objects have a Max-centric view of numbers that clashes
with Pd's everything-is-a-float philosophy. (If you don't understand
what I mean, matju has written about it on the list and I've also
documented it in the revised PDDP
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To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at; Max abonneme...@revolwear.com;
PD list pd-list@iem.at; Shahrokh Yadegari s...@ucsd.edu
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:31 PM
Subject:
On Oct 25, 2011, at 3:38 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
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From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at; Max abonneme...@revolwear.com
; PD list pd-list@iem.at; Shahrokh Yadegari s...@ucsd.edu
Le 2011-10-25 à 12:38:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
It's worth noting that the current [expr] is both Max-centric--
because numbers written as integers imply integer math-- and
incompatible with Max-- because in object boxes Pd strips the decimal
from 1. which is a common idiom in Max to
On Oct 25, 2011, at 3:51 PM, m.e.grimm wrote:
well commenting out lines 84 - 86 in pdwindow.tcl stops the message:
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UNHANDLED ERROR: can't find package tkdnd
while executing
package require tkdnd
(uplevel body line 1)
invoked from within
uplevel #0 $tclcode
FAILED TO LOAD
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To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at; Max abonneme...@revolwear.com;
PD list pd-list@iem.at; Shahrokh Yadegari s...@ucsd.edu
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 3:47 PM
Subject:
Le 2011-10-25 à 14:02:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
Right, but that punishes the Pd users by making them use Max notation to
force floating point math, and it confuses the Max users coming to (or
porting patches to) Pd, who learn Pd's float-centrism then are forced to
relearn some bizarro
Today I encountered a problem with Pd-extended on Osx Lion today.
Application not responding. When I run it from terminal I get inet protocol
not installed ? message.
Everything was fine with it when I last ran it. And no docs on the net.
Any idea ?
Thanks.
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Arda EDEN
Inonu University
Faculty
That's an odd one. Which version of Pd-extended are you using? Have
you tried a nightly build?
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
.hc
On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Arda Eden wrote:
Today I encountered a problem with Pd-extended on Osx Lion today.
Application not
Both x86 and x86_64 versions are saying :
ERROR: failed to allocate port, exiting !
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote:
That's an odd one. Which version of Pd-extended are you using? Have you
tried a nightly build?
With Pd-0.42.5-extended-macosx106-x86_64.dmg the actual error message is :
localhost not found (inet protocol not installed ?)
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Arda Eden ardae...@gmail.com wrote:
Both x86 and x86_64 versions are saying :
ERROR: failed to allocate port, exiting !
On Wed,
from that. Can you run Pd-extended 0.43 and trigger that crash, and post
the crash log to a pastebin.com?
you mean with the autobuilds? I can not trigger that crash with those.
those are fine...
but maybe more importantly:
You can resize on the left, right, and bottom left now? I guess
You need to have localhost configured on your computer in order to use
Pd of any kind. If you go to the Terminal, and type ifconfig and
hit enter, you should see something like this:
hans@dhcp-10 extra $ ifconfig
lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 16384
inet6
Aw, was going to play with this during the patching circle, but the
site seems to be down...
.hc
On Oct 7, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Chris McCormick wrote:
Hey All,
The first Pd app based on the PdDroidParty source is now in the
Android Marketplace. It's a re-boot of my old patch CanOfBeats,
After the recent post about CsoundforLive, it resparked my interest in
trying out one of the text based audio synthesis programs. Since it seems
like a very steep learning curve to start learning any of these(Csounds,
SuperCollider or Chuck) I just wanted to see if anyone here has had any
On 26/10/11 01:29, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
The Apple App Store is incompatible with the GPL and LGPL, from what I
understand. Getting Apple to make their App Store compatible with the GPL and
LGPL is another much better solution since it will work for all GPL and LGPL
software.
this is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTZlWaIVjTg
I recently saw this video and I'm not quite sure what it means exactly, as I
personally didn't perceive any bothersome noise when working with max. But
when 64-bit audio support is mentioned and seeing the differences between
max 5 and max 6 in terms of
its not working for me
http://sofyyuditskaya.com/tests/4pd/Screen%20shot%202011-10-25%20at%209.00.29%20PM.png
I'm on macosx 10.6.8 and compiled the thing without any issues.
Sofy Yuditskaya
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That little 1 argument, in there was just me trying to see what's up.
Doesn't work all clean like this either [syphonserver]
Amazing that its working for some tho!
rawk
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On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:07 PM, sonia yuditskaya marysgh...@gmail.comwrote:
its not
- Original Message -
From: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com
To: pd-list@iem.at
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] expr alternative
On 26/10/11 01:29, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
The Apple App Store is incompatible with the GPL and LGPL, from
I put a compiled, working version with a help file up on drop box:
Try this?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/42612525/pd-syphonserver.zip
On Oct 25, 2011, at 9:13 PM, sonia yuditskaya wrote:
That little 1 argument, in there was just me trying to see what's up.
Doesn't work all clean like this
On 26/10/11 09:53, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
It's worse than that-- they want to lock their customers into using their
hardware
only in the ways they intend. Ever tried syncing an Ipad with a free software
operating system?
indeed it is, but I was trying to focus on the open source issue as
Hi Epic,
I am not a specialist, but I know from my brother and other
experienced composers that one big reason for switching between these
is simply the different ideas and possibilities they sparkle on the
composer's mind. Once they have maxed-out on using and exploring Pd,
they switch to the
Hey vade,
You can also easily host your binary releases on the puredata.info
downloads page. Now anyone can create their own download page by just
doing a web form. You can upload your .zip or whatever files there too.
http://puredata.info/docs/sitedocs/AddingYourProjectToDownloads
.hc
On Oct 25, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Simon Wise wrote:
On 26/10/11 01:29, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
The Apple App Store is incompatible with the GPL and LGPL, from
what I
understand. Getting Apple to make their App Store compatible with
the GPL and
LGPL is another much better solution since
Le 2011-10-25 à 20:06:00, Epic Jefferson a écrit :
But when 64-bit audio support
The stuff that was fixed in pd versions 41, 42 and 43 are bugs about
64-bit mode of the CPU. This means that whether you use Win64 executables
on Windows, or ELF64 executables on Linux, or the equivalent thing
Le 2011-10-26 à 10:32:00, Simon Wise a écrit :
Their corporate strategy regarding creating and maintaining a monopoly
on as many technologies as they can, and taking a percentage of every
transaction within those monopoly platforms is very sensible and
reasonable way to maximise profits if
Le 2011-10-25 à 23:28:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
They also contribute to gcc, which is GPL software, and its their main
compiler for both Mac OS X and iOS. Then came iOS, and they got crazy.
In XCode 4.2, they removed the option named just «GCC», leaving the choice
between «GCC
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 08:51:23AM +0800, Simon Wise wrote:
On 26/10/11 01:29, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
The Apple App Store is incompatible with the GPL and LGPL, from what I
understand. Getting Apple to make their App Store compatible with the GPL and
LGPL is another much better
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