Re: [PD] Google SoC: call for mentors and project ideas

2008-03-07 Thread Georg Holzmann
Hallo! Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb: Shall we apply as Pure Data this time? I am ok to apply as IEM Yes, I think we should do it as Pure Data, as discussed in Cologne ... again, but it just seems that most projects apply as the project rather than as another institution. Does anyone

Re: [PD] Google SoC: call for mentors and project ideas

2008-03-07 Thread Georg Holzmann
Hallo! In light of the recent discussion about Blender + Pd is there maybe some possibility of a combined cross application proposal? As far as I remember it does not need to be restricted to pd. The Pd-mentors will decide which projects are accepted (not google), so if they think that

[PD] Rotating object rolling on irregular terrain

2008-03-07 Thread Andy Farnell
I'm trying to obtain a waveform for a rolling cylinder on an irregular surface. The signature looks like the attached, or see this paper. https://www.enactivenetwork.org/download.php?id=97 Rath gives a formula that uses a square root, which I want to avoid. Several methods I've tried, based on

Re: [PD] understanding vline~

2008-03-07 Thread Steffen Juul
On 07/03/2008, at 1.01, naysayer wrote: when you click on the rampup, jump down, ramp up again you don't actually get to see that in the example patch because it happens so quickly in the atom gui.(does anyone agree on that with me??). I do. Where as if you print the output of snapshot

Re: [PD] Google SoC: call for mentors and project ideas

2008-03-07 Thread Andy Farnell
In light of the recent discussion about Blender + Pd is there maybe some possibility of a combined cross application proposal? I don't know much about how this Google SOC works. Another thought I had; For sponsorship, what are the chances of EA or other companies that are making use of Pd

Re: [PD] Saving Gem output as video file on MacOSX ?

2008-03-07 Thread Dudley Brooks
jeremaja niko wrote: im using on mac program called snapz pro x and it is a screen capture program, witch can grab opengl window of gem as movie. this process needs a lot of cpu power so u need a powerfull machine. it is quite easy to use it. hope it helps It did indeed! Thanks! It

Re: [PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

2008-03-07 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 01:28 +, Damian Stewart wrote: hey, i was talking to a Portuguese musician tonight (Miguel Cardoso is his name) and he was saying that he thought that Pd sounded much better than Max - a fuller sound with the oscillators, he said. i hadn't really thought about

Re: [PD] Saving Gem output as video file on MacOSX ?

2008-03-07 Thread Jan Thoben
try [gemhead] | \ | [t b] | | | [snap( | / [pix snap 800 600] | [pix_flip] | [pix_yuv] | [pix_record] is has been discussed on the list: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-05/049939.html cheers, j Dudley Brooks schrieb: jeremaja niko wrote:

Re: [PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

2008-03-07 Thread Damian Stewart
Roman Haefeli wrote: hey funny... i also heard people saying something similar the other way around. since the same digital algorithm produces the same results on two different machines or in two different softwares, i think there are only very esoteric reasons to believe, that one sounds

[PD] pvoc~.pd_linux from pvoc~.c

2008-03-07 Thread robcanning
hi, can anyone tell me how i get pvoc~.pd_linux from pvoc~.c i cant find a makefile and dont know how to write one i'm on debian testing and Pd version 0.41-1extended-20080227 thanks rob c ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and

[PD] vbap define_loudspeakers messages

2008-03-07 Thread robcanning
hi, is it possible to send messages to the define_loadspeakers with the speaker definitions i would like to manipulate my spatialisation routines by manipulating the speaker definitions but don't want to create new instances of the [define_loudspeaker] each time any suggestions? thanks rob

[PD] GEM manual : 404 Not Found

2008-03-07 Thread altern
hi the GEM manual link at puredata.org and gem.iem.org does not work http://gem.iem.at/manual/ enrike ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] vbap define_loudspeakers messages

2008-03-07 Thread Derek Holzer
Kind of an odd way to do it...move locations of the speakers instead of the locations of the sounds ;-) One thing I would watch our for is if redefining the speakers interrupts the DSP chain or not, in which case you'd get some dropouts every time you did it. You might want to check that out

Re: [PD] vbap define_loudspeakers messages

2008-03-07 Thread robcanning
---BeginMessage--- Derek Holzer wrote: hi derek, Kind of an odd way to do it...move locations of the speakers instead of the locations of the sounds ;-) i like it, its kinda fun - you can have a sound orbiting then jumble up the speaker definitions in various ways not very elegant perhaps but

Re: [PD] GEM manual : 404 Not Found

2008-03-07 Thread Steffen Juul
On 07/03/2008, at 13.35, altern wrote: hi the GEM manual link at puredata.org and gem.iem.org does not work http://gem.iem.at/manual/ there is another link in http://puredata.info/docs/manuals enrike ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list

Re: [PD] vbap define_loudspeakers messages

2008-03-07 Thread Derek Holzer
Hey Rob, I've always wanted a graphical interface for creating these choreographies, maybe something pressure sensitive so it goes 3D, so that you could just draw the trajectories. Maybe with a few Theremins or some 3D tracking device you could dance out the movement of the sound ;-) When I

Re: [PD] Saving Gem output as video file on MacOSX ?

2008-03-07 Thread chris clepper
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 3:27 AM, Dudley Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But how can it be that pix_record does this, and especially that people haven't noticed and complained? Or fixed, those who know how? (Not me, I'm afraid.) Incompatibility between how the various video cards label

[PD] some pd-music, and a bit of a blah

2008-03-07 Thread Damian Stewart
http://www.frey.co.nz/blog/2008/03/07/track24/ the link to the music is down the bottom; it's just an extract, the full thing is 11 minutes long. this 11 minutes is itself a fragment of a longer improvisation session with my patches and MIDI keyboard. do let me know what you think, both of the

Re: [PD] vbap define_loudspeakers messages

2008-03-07 Thread Derek Holzer
On another note, something I've never liked about vbap is this hole in the middle problem. Pan a sound from left to right through the middle of your room, rather than around the edge of the circle. Hear how everything jumps from left to right when you cross the zero point at the middle? That's

[PD] new pd-gem audio-video synth

2008-03-07 Thread jeremaja niko
hi list wanted to show ma last work including a lot of pd wideo is here http://www.njeremic.ecobytes.net/njeremic/videos/baum_net.mov and pd patch here http://www.njeremic.ecobytes.net/files/baum_pd_patch.zip feel free to forward a link to someone who might be interested all the best and keep a

Re: [PD] some pd-music, and a bit of a blah

2008-03-07 Thread jeremaja niko
hey, i find this very beautyful. like ecpecialy the deep background pad that is always to hear this goes to my pd-mp3 collection. keep a good work nikola Damian Stewart wrote: http://www.frey.co.nz/blog/2008/03/07/track24/ the link to the music is down the bottom; it's just an extract, the

Re: [PD] [OT]TTS

2008-03-07 Thread Reinhard Handl
wow, that is much more than i had expected, thy a lot. i'll tell you with what i come up. cheers, reinhard Bryan Jurish schrieb: moin Reinhard, I don't really know of any open source German TTS systen (although way back when, someone appears to have hacked some German Holmes-elements into

Re: [PD] vbap define_loudspeakers messages

2008-03-07 Thread robcanning
Derek Holzer wrote: On another note, something I've never liked about vbap is this hole in the middle problem. Pan a sound from left to right through the middle of your room, rather than around the edge of the circle. Hear how everything jumps from left to right when you cross the zero

Re: [PD] Saving Gem output as video file on MacOSX ?

2008-03-07 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
Dudley Brooks wrote: I also found that pix_record not only gets the colors wrong, but seems to rotate the picture 90 degrees and reverse it as well. (The abstract nature of the piece is why that wasn't obvious immediately.) But how can it be that pix_record does this, and especially that

Re: [PD] GEM manual : 404 Not Found

2008-03-07 Thread altern
IOhannes m zmölnig(e)k dio: altern wrote: hi the GEM manual link at puredata.org and gem.iem.org does not work i don't see a link at puredata.org (and i was interested to see http://gem.iem.org, nice site) it is here under GEM manual, the fifth link. http://puredata.info/docs

Re: [PD] Google SoC: call for mentors and project ideas

2008-03-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Mar 7, 2008, at 2:59 AM, Georg Holzmann wrote: Hallo! Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb: Shall we apply as Pure Data this time? I am ok to apply as IEM Yes, I think we should do it as Pure Data, as discussed in Cologne ... again, but it just seems that most projects apply as the project

Re: [PD] Google SoC: call for mentors and project ideas

2008-03-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Blender + Pd sounds like a good project. As for EA releasing their code, since they haven't done it already, they are probably unlikely to do it. But it can't hurt to ask. .hc On Mar 7, 2008, at 3:03 AM, Andy Farnell wrote: In light of the recent discussion about Blender + Pd is there

Re: [PD] vbap define_loudspeakers messages

2008-03-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Mar 7, 2008, at 9:20 AM, robcanning wrote: Derek Holzer wrote: On another note, something I've never liked about vbap is this hole in the middle problem. Pan a sound from left to right through the middle of your room, rather than around the edge of the circle. Hear how everything

Re: [PD] Wii remote controller and Mac OS X

2008-03-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Ok, I got the wiiremote connecting to Pd and I can get one data reading, so I am getting close. Hopefully I'll have this working by the end of the day. .hc On Mar 4, 2008, at 12:03 PM, Stefano Papetti wrote: Hello everybody, when I last checked the mailing list (about 1 year ago...) I

Re: [PD] [OT] For Hans, question on Arduino

2008-03-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I think the Arduino forums would be a good place to ask about the possibilities of sensors, etc. I am not quite sure what you are looking for. Perhaps you can elaborate? .hc On Mar 6, 2008, at 11:20 PM, Charles Henry wrote: You're referring to a midi controller, perhaps? It's pretty

Re: [PD] Saving Gem output as video file on MacOSX ?

2008-03-07 Thread Dudley Brooks
chris clepper wrote: On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 3:27 AM, Dudley Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But how can it be that pix_record does this, and especially that people haven't noticed and complained? Or fixed, those who know how? (Not me, I'm

[PD] mdeGranular~

2008-03-07 Thread jeremaja niko
hi list does anybody know is this thing compiled for PD? http://ddm.caad.ed.ac.uk/staff/michael/software/index.html looks very interesting and would be nice to have it in pd greetings nikola ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and

Re: [PD] Saving Gem output as video file on MacOSX ?

2008-03-07 Thread Dudley Brooks
Jan Thoben wrote: try [gemhead] | \ | [t b] | | | [snap( | / [pix snap 800 600] | [pix_flip] | [pix_yuv] | [pix_record] is has been discussed on the list: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-05/049939.html cheers, j Thanks. I

Re: [PD] pvoc~.pd_linux from pvoc~.c

2008-03-07 Thread robcanning
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: cd pure-data/trunk/externals make vbap hi hc, make vbap to build pvoc~? really? Or its included in Pd-extended. i'm on debian Pd version 0.41-1extended-20080227 and the pvoc~.pd_linux isn't here i have a C file in: /usr/local/lib/pd/extra/bsaylor/pvoc~.c

Re: [PD] vbap define_loudspeakers messages

2008-03-07 Thread robcanning
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Mar 7, 2008, at 9:20 AM, robcanning wrote: Derek Holzer wrote: On another note, something I've never liked about vbap is this hole in the middle problem. Pan a sound from left to right through the middle of your room, rather than around the edge of the

Re: [PD] Wii remote controller and Mac OS X

2008-03-07 Thread stefano . papetti
Hello .hc, Ok, I got the wiiremote connecting to Pd and I can get one data  reading, so I am getting close.  Hopefully I'll have this working by  the end of the day. wow, that would be great! thanks! and thanks to all the people who promptly answered suggesting some viable way to make

Re: [PD] Saving Gem output as video file on MacOSX ?

2008-03-07 Thread Dudley Brooks
IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: Dudley Brooks wrote: I also found that pix_record not only gets the colors wrong, but seems to rotate the picture 90 degrees and reverse it as well. (The abstract nature of the piece is why that wasn't obvious immediately.) But how can it be that pix_record

Re: [PD] vbap define_loudspeakers messages

2008-03-07 Thread Georg Holzmann
Hallo! There are also ambisonic externals from IEM and Jasch, for better spatialization. I would not say better ;) - it depends ... Maybe a Spatialisation with Pure-Data page would be nice - is there something like that out there already? a web page, academic papers, performance

Re: [PD] vbap define_loudspeakers messages

2008-03-07 Thread Steffen Juul
On 07/03/2008, at 20.05, Georg Holzmann wrote: Last year I did a workshop on this, you can find the files here: http://grh.mur.at/misc/PdSpatialization.tar.gz Great. Took the liberty of adding it to http://puredata.info/docs/ tutorials ___

[PD] comment strings in qlist

2008-03-07 Thread Achim Bornhoeft
Hi, What is the right way to comment a qlist file? I tried to use # comment ; but it doesn't work. Achim -- Achim Bornhoeft - Neckarhalde 38, D-72070 Tuebingen -.-. tel/fax +49 (0)7071 942745 -... mobil +49 (0)179 6936930 skype:achim.bornhoeft?call --

Re: [PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

2008-03-07 Thread marius schebella
hmm, sine waves are one kind of sound, but musical pieces use more than sinewave generators. if there are really technical and software related dsp differences in max and pd then you would find them more in other objects. the wavetable readers could be different (type of interpolation...) the

[PD] pd-extended application osx

2008-03-07 Thread marius schebella
hi (hans), would it be possible to have an enclosing folder for the pd app and take all externals, help files, tutorials and manuals inside that folder, but not in the pd-application itself. in that case osx finder would be able to search for stuff without first selecting the app manually and

[PD] vbap define_loudspeakers messages

2008-03-07 Thread Harald me. Viuff
bip all I ben using vbap for manny yers in the ambiunix system, its a multi speaker setup for live performances and R/D, the first yers it was based on max/msp but when there came a hardcore c programmer in to the project we ported the all to carma/linux and the last weeks to stable

[PD] Fwd: [OT] For Hans, question on Arduino

2008-03-07 Thread Mike McGonagle
-- Forwarded message -- From: Mike McGonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [PD] [OT] For Hans, question on Arduino To: Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all, After looking more at this stuff, and the links that Marius gave, I posted

Re: [PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

2008-03-07 Thread Libero Mureddu
Hi, my test was in fact a semi-serious one... even if some time ago I did it seriously! My little experience: I've been thinking in the past that max sounded more detailed somehow (I used to like a lot the scope object, back then), but I'm not a good judge: it also happened to me to

Re: [PD] pvoc~.pd_linux from pvoc~.c

2008-03-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Oops, sorry, my brain was turned off... auto-pilot went astray... I just added bsaylor/pvoc~.c to Pd-extended, it should be in the nightly builds starting tomorrow. .hc On Mar 7, 2008, at 12:40 PM, robcanning wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: cd pure-data/trunk/externals make vbap

[PD] partconv~ and pvoc~ now part of Pd-extended (added fftw3)

2008-03-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Now that FFTW3 is included on all of the build machines, I enabled the building of partconv~ and pvoc~ in bsaylor. Try it out and let me know how it works. It should show up in the nightly builds starting tomorrow. .hc

Re: [PD] Wii remote controller and Mac OS X

2008-03-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
This is a port of aka.wiiremote, yup. The Max and Pd APIs are so similar, you usually don't need flext to make it work for both. The problem here is that Max/MSP is a Carbon app and the pd process is not (Tcl/Tk Wish.app is). The IOBluetooth framework is designed to be used in a Carbon

Re: [PD] pd-extended application osx

2008-03-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
A better solution would be to add a search function to the help menu, or port Matju's class browser to Pd. .hc On Mar 7, 2008, at 4:07 PM, marius schebella wrote: hi (hans), would it be possible to have an enclosing folder for the pd app and take all externals, help files, tutorials

Re: [PD] GEM manual : 404 Not Found

2008-03-07 Thread zmoelnig
Quoting altern [EMAIL PROTECTED]: IOhannes m zmölnig(e)k dio: altern wrote: hi the GEM manual link at puredata.org and gem.iem.org does not work i don't see a link at puredata.org (and i was interested to see http://gem.iem.org, nice site) it is here under GEM manual, the fifth link.

Re: [PD] comment strings in qlist

2008-03-07 Thread zmoelnig
Quoting Achim Bornhoeft [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, What is the right way to comment a qlist file? I tried to use # comment ; but it doesn't work. it's a good approach. to be plain honest: there are no comments in qlist/textfile but you can easily do them yourself: just use a dummy receiver

Re: [PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

2008-03-07 Thread zmoelnig
Quoting marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED]: on the hardware side: da converters can make a difference. (is it overall true that pd runs on cheaper hardware, using cheaper digital-analog converters creating a richer, more distorted sound?). now that is an interesting observation. probably Pd

Re: [PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

2008-03-07 Thread Batuhan Bozkurt
But the problem becomes appearent when you actually do some signal processing with audio data. Max has a flaw about it's floating point precision. At first I was thinking the problem was just about visualisating data(like, when you monitor a signal value, it is rounded and looks wrong but

Re: [PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

2008-03-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Mar 7, 2008, at 5:23 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 01:28 +, Damian Stewart wrote: hey, i was talking to a Portuguese musician tonight (Miguel Cardoso is his name) and he was saying that he thought that Pd sounded much better than Max - a fuller sound with the

Re: [PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

2008-03-07 Thread marius schebella
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think it is unlikely that there is a noticeable difference in double-blind testing. I am sure that people hear differences between them, but I am guessing that those differences are inside the brain, rather than outside :). yes, that seems obvious to me

Re: [PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

2008-03-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Mar 7, 2008, at 7:33 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think it is unlikely that there is a noticeable difference in double-blind testing. I am sure that people hear differences between them, but I am guessing that those differences are inside the

Re: [PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

2008-03-07 Thread marius schebella
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Mar 7, 2008, at 7:33 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think it is unlikely that there is a noticeable difference in double-blind testing. I am sure that people hear differences between them, but I am guessing that those

[PD] Linux sounds better than Windows!

2008-03-07 Thread sven
i have speaker cables made of pure gold. i know what i'm talking about. cheers, sven. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

2008-03-07 Thread marius schebella
ok, so you are right. my reading capabilities get worse from day to day... one more question. I read Pd (c) 1997-2005 The Regents of the University of California? which means the regents of the UC own the rights on Pd??? marius. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Mar 7, 2008, at 9:14 PM,

Re: [PD] Linux sounds better than Windows!

2008-03-07 Thread marius schebella
nobody will deny that. m. sven wrote: i have speaker cables made of pure gold. i know what i'm talking about. cheers, sven. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

2008-03-07 Thread Andy Farnell
There is test I use to evaluate one important aspect of all synthesis systems. It tests oscillator accuracy. The patch is by Jean Claude Risset and is an additive concept he called frequency domain grating, and is analogous to diffraction grating used in spectroscopy. Here is Hartmanns paper

Re: [PD] Linux sounds better than Windows!

2008-03-07 Thread Charles Henry
Please explain. Is it the linux modules vs. Windows drivers? What makes the difference? It's good to know why I'm in favor of things Chuck On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:49 PM, sven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have speaker cables made of pure gold. i know what i'm talking about. cheers, sven.

Re: [PD] Linux sounds better than Windows!

2008-03-07 Thread sven
of course not. at least not here. At 03:45 08.03.2008, marius schebella wrote: nobody will deny that. m. sven wrote: i have speaker cables made of pure gold. i know what i'm talking about. cheers, sven. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list

Re: [PD] Linux sounds better than Windows!

2008-03-07 Thread Max Neupert
damn my new computer with RoHS certified brazing solder sounds so much better. prosit, max Am 08.03.2008 um 09:49 schrieb sven: i have speaker cables made of pure gold. i know what i'm talking about. cheers, sven. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing

Re: [PD] Linux sounds better than Windows!

2008-03-07 Thread Andy Farnell
I only use room temperature superconducting nanotube speaker cables now, gold is strictly bush league (for listening to mp3s) On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:22:12 +0800 Max Neupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: damn my new computer with RoHS certified brazing solder sounds so much better. prosit,