Re: [PD] external for sample loop start and end points?
Unfortunately I dont have any programming skills. Otherwise I would do something myself. To me it appears to be rather simple to expand the existing [waveinfo] to also read out sustain and release loop start and endpoints as well as the original pitch that was set. The basics about reading that information are already in this external. As mentioned this would speed up the creation of sample based pitched instruments tremendously. Ingo _ Von: Hans-Christoph Steiner [mailto:h...@eds.org] Gesendet: Freitag, 6. März 2009 01:22 An: Ingo Scherzinger Cc: pd-list@iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] external for sample loop start and end points? That would be very handy to have, since other apps use that wav info. It wouldn't be too hard to write one, I am sure there is a library which handles the hard parts. .hc On Mar 2, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Ingo Scherzinger wrote: Hi, I am looking for an external that can read the sample loop start and end points of a .wav file. I found [wavinfo] but that doesnt do the trick no loop info! It would be great if anybody knew anything like that! Thank you, Ingo ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] external for sample loop start and end points?
Unfortunately I dont have any programming skills. Otherwise I would do something myself. To me it appears to be rather simple to expand the existing [waveinfo] to also read out sustain and release loop start and endpoints as well as the original pitch that was set. The basics about reading that information are already in this external. As mentioned this would speed up the creation of sample based pitched instruments tremendously. Ingo _ Von: Hans-Christoph Steiner [mailto:h...@eds.org] Gesendet: Freitag, 6. März 2009 01:22 An: Ingo Scherzinger Cc: pd-list@iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] external for sample loop start and end points? That would be very handy to have, since other apps use that wav info. It wouldn't be too hard to write one, I am sure there is a library which handles the hard parts. .hc On Mar 2, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Ingo Scherzinger wrote: Hi, I am looking for an external that can read the sample loop start and end points of a .wav file. I found [wavinfo] but that doesnt do the trick no loop info! It would be great if anybody knew anything like that! Thank you, Ingo ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
i just added a pd patching idea, to build a library of filters. i think this idea would also work really well if merged with the 'blosc' one, because frankly $4500 for a student to make some bandlimited oscillators is pretty expensive! http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/PurePDFilters ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] I am the harbinger of crashing
Hmm, could you test Pd-vanilla 0.41.4? That might be where the bug was introduced. .hc On Mar 7, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Luke Iannini wrote: Sigh, here's another : ) This seems to have something to do with my MPD24 drum pads... whenever they're connected and I enter the MIDI preferences of Pd, I get the attached crash. It also occurs if they're configured (via .pdrc or the plist) as a default device. This started occurring on the newest builds of Pd-E as well as on Pd-0.42-4. It does not occur of my build of 0.40.3-extended. Anyone have any ideas? Best Luke MIDICrash.txt___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] external for sample loop start and end points?
Not sure if you could describe the job as simple because after the initial header (which [wavinfo] reads using byte/word offsets) the data format can become variable length before you encounter loop chunks. http://www.sonicspot.com/guide/wavefiles.html Also, there can be several loop points and cues, so how should it work? It would be great to have an object that could usefully do all the cool things possible with ordinary wav files, but it needs a bit of thought. Maybe a message like [loop 3( could advance the output to give the third loop boundaries, and [next( could advance the sampler chunk and show the number of repeats. That way you could use wavs in a tracker style as they are in simple game music audio. What lib were you thinking of to simplify the job Hans? I think I suggested before, the idea of a more advanced sampler type object set for extended. (one that could eventually be extended by user code to read Akai, NI and Yamaha formats and suchlike) A more complete [wavinfo] would be a step in that direction. On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:01:19 +0100 Ingo Scherzinger i...@miamiwave.com wrote: Unfortunately I don_t have any programming skills. Otherwise I would do something myself. To me it appears to be rather simple to expand the existing [waveinfo] to also read out sustain and release loop start and endpoints as well as the original pitch that was set. The basics about reading that information are already in this external. As mentioned this would speed up the creation of sample based pitched instruments tremendously. Ingo _ Von: Hans-Christoph Steiner [mailto:h...@eds.org] Gesendet: Freitag, 6. März 2009 01:22 An: Ingo Scherzinger Cc: pd-list@iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] external for sample loop start and end points? That would be very handy to have, since other apps use that wav info. It wouldn't be too hard to write one, I am sure there is a library which handles the hard parts. .hc On Mar 2, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Ingo Scherzinger wrote: Hi, I am looking for an external that can read the sample loop start and end points of a .wav file. I found [wavinfo] but that doesn_t do the trick _ no loop info! It would be great if anybody knew anything like that! Thank you, Ingo ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. -- Use the source ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
Yes, sounds like a good project, add it to the wiki. Do you want to mentor it? Or if you are a student, then you could find another mentor and do it yourself. .hc On Mar 6, 2009, at 7:33 AM, bra...@subnet.at wrote: The same with me. interested in coding but just very rare skills.but patching. maybe the graphical userinterface which i started for gem could be interesting.As i am in the job now, i cannot send screenshots nor patches. if there is interest I put some things together tjis weekend. markus Hallo Derek ! Nice projects - I also think that we need more patcher-only projects ! LG Georg Derek Holzer schrieb: Since I'm completely uninterested in touching anything C, C++, TclTk or otherwise related, I submitted two Pd patching projects which should be general enough to attract students, yet quite intensive to work on. Feedback welcome. http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/Undead http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GEMVeeJay Anyone want to take up 2007's PluggoPd idea? best, D. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] shell .... again....
i have been trying to use shell... works OK in linux but in osx it just crashes. i am just wondering if this thread went anywhere: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-01/067700.html i have it in a bunch of patches now and would love to use it more ... if it had more cross-compatibility (osx) because i tend to work with others + other os's. maybe i should just change to pdlua as frank suggested? or might shell someday get fixed? not sure what to do cheers mark ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] shell .... again....
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 11:53 -0700, mark edward grimm wrote: i have been trying to use shell... works OK in linux but in osx it just crashes. i am just wondering if this thread went anywhere: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-01/067700.html i have it in a bunch of patches now and would love to use it more ... if it had more cross-compatibility (osx) because i tend to work with others + other os's. maybe i should just change to pdlua as frank suggested? or might shell someday get fixed? not sure what to do what are the symptoms of the crashes? does pd just quit with a segfault, or does [shell] makes pd hang? it's been a while, since i used [shell] the last time, but i remember, that i could always make it work with what i wanted, it was just a matter of writing the script in a way, so that it immediately exits or detaches the running processes to the background. commands, that do not exit, will make [shell] block pd. all this only applies, if you experience hangs, but not segfaults, of course. roman ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] GSoC web project idea
I've had an idea for a long time for a web interface to the patches that people post to the pd-list. Basically, lots of really great code is posted to the Pd list, but it is not very easy to find it there. What if there was a searchable database of all patches posted to the pd list. You could search by object name to see all patches that use a certain object, then download it. I think that someone who was a decent web programmer could do this. Perhaps using something like Lucene, or really whatever. Is it worth a summer of code project? .hc News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] shell .... again....
Hello Mark, I use [shell] every days on MacOSX.4 with PowerPC and Intel. No problem here. ++ Jack Le 8 mars 09 à 19:53, mark edward grimm a écrit : i have been trying to use shell... works OK in linux but in osx it just crashes. i am just wondering if this thread went anywhere: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-01/067700.html i have it in a bunch of patches now and would love to use it more ... if it had more cross-compatibility (osx) because i tend to work with others + other os's. maybe i should just change to pdlua as frank suggested? or might shell someday get fixed? not sure what to do cheers mark ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Turn off Output~ automatically
I have multiple output~ in a patch that have 2 number boxes feeding to it, and when the numbers are moving the output~ turns on but when the numbers are not moving it continues to play the last sound played. How do i turn off the sound when the numbers are not moving without having to mute it myself?? Thank you. -Natalie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GSoC web project idea
Hallo! It sounds nice, but do they support such projects ? IMHO building websites and similar things are more documentation, which is not allowed. Maybe you should ask them ... LG Georg Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb: I've had an idea for a long time for a web interface to the patches that people post to the pd-list. Basically, lots of really great code is posted to the Pd list, but it is not very easy to find it there. What if there was a searchable database of all patches posted to the pd list. You could search by object name to see all patches that use a certain object, then download it. I think that someone who was a decent web programmer could do this. Perhaps using something like Lucene, or really whatever. Is it worth a summer of code project? .hc News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] What is the name for a Patch memory object
Hi Quick question I am searching for an object to handle patch memories. I just want to be able to capture the values of nine sliders to a few different memory locations to act as presets but I can't seem to find an object to do this. Which object should I be reading about? If I knew the name I could find put about it :) cheers Geoff___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] shell .... again....
Here, on 10.5.6(intel) [shell] crashes too.. But [popen] is working just fine... (what's the difference?) the [shell] crash happens simultaneously with the right outlet bang... Jack escreveu: Hello Mark, I use [shell] every days on MacOSX.4 with PowerPC and Intel. No problem here. ++ Jack -- http://www.padovani.googlepages.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] What is the name for a Patch memory object
You may want [memento] or [ssad] Hi I am using PD extended are they objects? I ask because I tried to create either as an object but just got the 'couldn't create' message. maybe I need jesus after all :) geoff On 8 Mar 2009, at 19:42, Andy Farnell wrote: You may want [memento] or [ssad] There was also an amusingly named [jesus] (Jesus saves) a. On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:36:54 + Geoff geoffspured...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Quick question I am searching for an object to handle patch memories. I just want to be able to capture the values of nine sliders to a few different memory locations to act as presets but I can't seem to find an object to do this. Which object should I be reading about? If I knew the name I could find put about it :) cheers Geoff -- Use the source ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
On Mar 7, 2009, at 11:30 AM, marius schebella wrote: chris clepper wrote: My own suggestion for a GEM project would be to create a tutorial and accompanying manual that covers the basic operation. I was planning to do this for years now, adding to dereks FLOSS Documentation or just as a separate project. there are a lot of unsorted patches on my drive, but as someone mentioned in a response to this email, documentation is not part of GSoC... I think that we could also have books on specific topics. For example, it would be very nice to have a GLSL+Gem manual. .hc The other idea involves making the more advanced features like GLSL and framebuffer rendering easier to use. I started to port vade's old v001 last year, including abstractions to easily chain several shaders together. not finished yet because with relation to GLSL stuff, I think I am just too stupid to get it... marius. These are mainly documentation projects, but also have some Pd, and possible C++ coding as well. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl mailto:de...@umatic.nl wrote: That's great, let's see what happens ;-) d. chris clepper wrote: I added my name to the VeeJay project to advise on how the low level stuff affects performance and stability. I don't know if a project can have more than one mentor though. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl mailto:de...@umatic.nl mailto:de...@umatic.nl mailto:de...@umatic.nl wrote: Since I'm completely uninterested in touching anything C, C++, TclTk or otherwise related, I submitted two Pd patching projects which should be general enough to attract students, yet quite intensive to work on. Feedback welcome. http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/Undead http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GEMVeeJay Anyone want to take up 2007's PluggoPd idea? best, D. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 194: Steal a solution. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 83: How would someone else do it? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
I think we need to have a range of projects, from simple to complicated, so that we get a range of students. I would really like to have a solid, clean, easy to use blosc lib, so I think it would be worth it. Plus the devil is in the details on this one. Its not too hard to put together a demo of this library, but I think to really get it right and done is non-trivial. .hc On Mar 8, 2009, at 10:13 AM, hard off wrote: i just added a pd patching idea, to build a library of filters. i think this idea would also work really well if merged with the 'blosc' one, because frankly $4500 for a student to make some bandlimited oscillators is pretty expensive! http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/PurePDFilters ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] external for sample loop start and end points?
Andy, I think you have it right, how you get the data out from the object is part of the problem. If that was well-mapped out, then that would make the C-coding much easier. I've never used those loop point things, so I don't really know much about them. A good starting point would be to sketch out how the interface of this loop point object would work, and how it would return the data. Then hopefully writing the C code would not be too hard. libsndfile supports reading the loop info from .WAVs and .AIFFs http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile/ .hc On Mar 8, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Andy Farnell wrote: Not sure if you could describe the job as simple because after the initial header (which [wavinfo] reads using byte/word offsets) the data format can become variable length before you encounter loop chunks. http://www.sonicspot.com/guide/wavefiles.html Also, there can be several loop points and cues, so how should it work? It would be great to have an object that could usefully do all the cool things possible with ordinary wav files, but it needs a bit of thought. Maybe a message like [loop 3( could advance the output to give the third loop boundaries, and [next( could advance the sampler chunk and show the number of repeats. That way you could use wavs in a tracker style as they are in simple game music audio. What lib were you thinking of to simplify the job Hans? I think I suggested before, the idea of a more advanced sampler type object set for extended. (one that could eventually be extended by user code to read Akai, NI and Yamaha formats and suchlike) A more complete [wavinfo] would be a step in that direction. On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:01:19 +0100 Ingo Scherzinger i...@miamiwave.com wrote: Unfortunately I don_t have any programming skills. Otherwise I would do something myself. To me it appears to be rather simple to expand the existing [waveinfo] to also read out sustain and release loop start and endpoints as well as the original pitch that was set. The basics about reading that information are already in this external. As mentioned this would speed up the creation of sample based pitched instruments tremendously. Ingo _ Von: Hans-Christoph Steiner [mailto:h...@eds.org] Gesendet: Freitag, 6. März 2009 01:22 An: Ingo Scherzinger Cc: pd-list@iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] external for sample loop start and end points? That would be very handy to have, since other apps use that wav info. It wouldn't be too hard to write one, I am sure there is a library which handles the hard parts. .hc On Mar 2, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Ingo Scherzinger wrote: Hi, I am looking for an external that can read the sample loop start and end points of a .wav file. I found [wavinfo] but that doesn_t do the trick _ no loop info! It would be great if anybody knew anything like that! Thank you, Ingo ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. -- Use the source ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] shell .... again....
what are the symptoms of the crashes? does pd just quit with a segfault, or does [shell] makes pd hang? yeah its really weird i get: the application pd quit unexpectedly then i can ignore or relaunch... either choice PD still runs in the background. the ignore or relaunch seems to be only a nag screen that does not do anything... but at the same time creates the situation that make PD unusable... anyone else with he same? maybe its leopard thing? --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Roman Haefeli reduzie...@yahoo.de wrote: From: Roman Haefeli reduzie...@yahoo.de Subject: Re: [PD] shell again To: mgr...@syr.edu Cc: pd_list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 3:02 PM On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 11:53 -0700, mark edward grimm wrote: i have been trying to use shell... works OK in linux but in osx it just crashes. i am just wondering if this thread went anywhere: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-01/067700.html i have it in a bunch of patches now and would love to use it more ... if it had more cross-compatibility (osx) because i tend to work with others + other os's. maybe i should just change to pdlua as frank suggested? or might shell someday get fixed? not sure what to do what are the symptoms of the crashes? does pd just quit with a segfault, or does [shell] makes pd hang? it's been a while, since i used [shell] the last time, but i remember, that i could always make it work with what i wanted, it was just a matter of writing the script in a way, so that it immediately exits or detaches the running processes to the background. commands, that do not exit, will make [shell] block pd. all this only applies, if you experience hangs, but not segfaults, of course. roman ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] What is the name for a Patch memory object
Yes, they are abstractions found in extended. For just a few sliders you could use the trick of setting their properties to Init=true, so they are persistent between patch save/loads and also send out their values when the patch loads. Another simple way is to rig a message box to store some values with the 'set' message, then use [loadbang] and [route] to restore them to objects/guis. On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:54:48 + Geoff geoffspured...@googlemail.com wrote: You may want [memento] or [ssad] Hi I am using PD extended are they objects? I ask because I tried to create either as an object but just got the 'couldn't create' message. maybe I need jesus after all :) geoff On 8 Mar 2009, at 19:42, Andy Farnell wrote: You may want [memento] or [ssad] There was also an amusingly named [jesus] (Jesus saves) a. On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:36:54 + Geoff geoffspured...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Quick question I am searching for an object to handle patch memories. I just want to be able to capture the values of nine sliders to a few different memory locations to act as presets but I can't seem to find an object to do this. Which object should I be reading about? If I knew the name I could find put about it :) cheers Geoff -- Use the source ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Turn off Output~ automatically
Natalie, You might want to check out the [switch~] object. It allows for a patch to turn off the audio generation for objects in the same subpatch. Mike On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 2:13 PM, narb...@ucsd.edu wrote: I have multiple output~ in a patch that have 2 number boxes feeding to it, and when the numbers are moving the output~ turns on but when the numbers are not moving it continues to play the last sound played. How do i turn off the sound when the numbers are not moving without having to mute it myself?? Thank you. -Natalie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Ani DiFranco - Art may imitate life, but life imitates TV. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] shell .... again....
oh... and PD does not quit. even if i hit relaunch or ignore or even if i just try to quit in general i have to force quit and this has been like this for a little while on differnt systems.. at least at the leopard level. not sure about tiger/ppc/intel - not sure if that all made a difference --- On Sun, 3/8/09, mark edward grimm mgr...@syr.edu wrote: From: mark edward grimm mgr...@syr.edu Subject: Re: [PD] shell again To: reduzie...@yahoo.de Cc: pd_list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 4:07 PM what are the symptoms of the crashes? does pd just quit with a segfault, or does [shell] makes pd hang? yeah its really weird i get: the application pd quit unexpectedly then i can ignore or relaunch... either choice PD still runs in the background. the ignore or relaunch seems to be only a nag screen that does not do anything... but at the same time creates the situation that make PD unusable... anyone else with he same? maybe its leopard thing? --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Roman Haefeli reduzie...@yahoo.de wrote: From: Roman Haefeli reduzie...@yahoo.de Subject: Re: [PD] shell again To: mgr...@syr.edu Cc: pd_list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 3:02 PM On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 11:53 -0700, mark edward grimm wrote: i have been trying to use shell... works OK in linux but in osx it just crashes. i am just wondering if this thread went anywhere: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-01/067700.html i have it in a bunch of patches now and would love to use it more ... if it had more cross-compatibility (osx) because i tend to work with others + other os's. maybe i should just change to pdlua as frank suggested? or might shell someday get fixed? not sure what to do what are the symptoms of the crashes? does pd just quit with a segfault, or does [shell] makes pd hang? it's been a while, since i used [shell] the last time, but i remember, that i could always make it work with what i wanted, it was just a matter of writing the script in a way, so that it immediately exits or detaches the running processes to the background. commands, that do not exit, will make [shell] block pd. all this only applies, if you experience hangs, but not segfaults, of course. roman ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] shell .... again....
Often, on MacOSX, when 'Pd-extended' quit, 'pd' stay. You have to force 'pd' to quit then relauch 'Pd-extended' (if i'm right). ++ Jack Le 8 mars 09 à 21:12, mark edward grimm a écrit : oh... and PD does not quit. even if i hit relaunch or ignore or even if i just try to quit in general i have to force quit and this has been like this for a little while on differnt systems.. at least at the leopard level. not sure about tiger/ppc/ intel - not sure if that all made a difference --- On Sun, 3/8/09, mark edward grimm mgr...@syr.edu wrote: From: mark edward grimm mgr...@syr.edu Subject: Re: [PD] shell again To: reduzie...@yahoo.de Cc: pd_list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 4:07 PM what are the symptoms of the crashes? does pd just quit with a segfault, or does [shell] makes pd hang? yeah its really weird i get: the application pd quit unexpectedly then i can ignore or relaunch... either choice PD still runs in the background. the ignore or relaunch seems to be only a nag screen that does not do anything... but at the same time creates the situation that make PD unusable... anyone else with he same? maybe its leopard thing? --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Roman Haefeli reduzie...@yahoo.de wrote: From: Roman Haefeli reduzie...@yahoo.de Subject: Re: [PD] shell again To: mgr...@syr.edu Cc: pd_list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 3:02 PM On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 11:53 -0700, mark edward grimm wrote: i have been trying to use shell... works OK in linux but in osx it just crashes. i am just wondering if this thread went anywhere: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-01/067700.html i have it in a bunch of patches now and would love to use it more ... if it had more cross-compatibility (osx) because i tend to work with others + other os's. maybe i should just change to pdlua as frank suggested? or might shell someday get fixed? not sure what to do what are the symptoms of the crashes? does pd just quit with a segfault, or does [shell] makes pd hang? it's been a while, since i used [shell] the last time, but i remember, that i could always make it work with what i wanted, it was just a matter of writing the script in a way, so that it immediately exits or detaches the running processes to the background. commands, that do not exit, will make [shell] block pd. all this only applies, if you experience hangs, but not segfaults, of course. roman ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Turn off Output~ automatically
Hallo, narb...@ucsd.edu hat gesagt: // narb...@ucsd.edu wrote: I have multiple output~ in a patch that have 2 number boxes feeding to it, and when the numbers are moving the output~ turns on but when the numbers are not moving it continues to play the last sound played. How do i turn off the sound when the numbers are not moving without having to mute it myself?? Thank you. The [delay] object is nice to monitor something for activity. The basic idiom goes like this: [0 \ | [t b a] | | | [s NUMBER_UPDATED] | [delay 100] | [s NUMBER_STOPPED] On [r NUMBER_UPDATED] you will get updates when the number box is moving, and if the number box hasn't changed for 100 msec, you will get a bang to [r NUMBER_STOPPED] that you can use to stop whatever needs stopping. As long as the number box is changing, you don't get this bang, because [delay] is a simple delay that gets reset every time a new message comes in. Btw.: [pipe] is not simple in this sense - it's what Miller calls a compound delay in his book: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/node48.html http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/node49.html Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Mar 7, 2009, at 11:30 AM, marius schebella wrote: chris clepper wrote: My own suggestion for a GEM project would be to create a tutorial and accompanying manual that covers the basic operation. I was planning to do this for years now, adding to dereks FLOSS Documentation or just as a separate project. there are a lot of unsorted patches on my drive, but as someone mentioned in a response to this email, documentation is not part of GSoC... I think that we could also have books on specific topics. For example, it would be very nice to have a GLSL+Gem manual. oh, that reminds me that the gl_MultiTexCoord1-8 stuff is still broken. fixing that bug would be worth a GSoC project. marius. The other idea involves making the more advanced features like GLSL and framebuffer rendering easier to use. I started to port vade's old v001 last year, including abstractions to easily chain several shaders together. not finished yet because with relation to GLSL stuff, I think I am just too stupid to get it... marius. These are mainly documentation projects, but also have some Pd, and possible C++ coding as well. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl mailto:de...@umatic.nl wrote: That's great, let's see what happens ;-) d. chris clepper wrote: I added my name to the VeeJay project to advise on how the low level stuff affects performance and stability. I don't know if a project can have more than one mentor though. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl mailto:de...@umatic.nl mailto:de...@umatic.nl mailto:de...@umatic.nl wrote: Since I'm completely uninterested in touching anything C, C++, TclTk or otherwise related, I submitted two Pd patching projects which should be general enough to attract students, yet quite intensive to work on. Feedback welcome. http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/Undead http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GEMVeeJay Anyone want to take up 2007's PluggoPd idea? best, D. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 194: Steal a solution. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 83: How would someone else do it? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] What is the name for a Patch memory object
For just a few sliders you could use the trick of setting their properties to Init=true, so they are persistent between patch save/loads and also send out their values when the patch loads. Another simple way is to rig a message box to store some values with the 'set' message, then use [loadbang] and [route] to restore them to objects/guis. For a bank of sliders, radio buttons, toggles, etc. -- anything which sends numeric data -- you can also store the values into an array the contents of which are saved with the patch ([table] won't work for this). Each slider/etc. writes to a given index in the array and can easily be retrieved upon [loadbang]. Matt ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] shell .... again....
Often, on MacOSX, when 'Pd-extended' quit, 'pd' stay. You have to r u saying this might be a normal thing for pd-extended? for the most part no (actually on ubuntu 8.10 pd-extended recently i have to xkill fairly often?) on osx... but sometimes, more rarely, yes. not sure what you are asking though... is this a general problem or an issue related to [shell] still? m --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Jack j...@rybn.org wrote: From: Jack j...@rybn.org Subject: Re: [PD] shell again To: mgr...@syr.edu Cc: reduzie...@yahoo.de, pd_list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 4:18 PM Often, on MacOSX, when 'Pd-extended' quit, 'pd' stay. You have to force 'pd' to quit then relauch 'Pd-extended' (if i'm right). ++ Jack Le 8 mars 09 à 21:12, mark edward grimm a écrit : oh... and PD does not quit. even if i hit relaunch or ignore or even if i just try to quit in general i have to force quit and this has been like this for a little while on differnt systems.. at least at the leopard level. not sure about tiger/ppc/ intel - not sure if that all made a difference --- On Sun, 3/8/09, mark edward grimm mgr...@syr.edu wrote: From: mark edward grimm mgr...@syr.edu Subject: Re: [PD] shell again To: reduzie...@yahoo.de Cc: pd_list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 4:07 PM what are the symptoms of the crashes? does pd just quit with a segfault, or does [shell] makes pd hang? yeah its really weird i get: the application pd quit unexpectedly then i can ignore or relaunch... either choice PD still runs in the background. the ignore or relaunch seems to be only a nag screen that does not do anything... but at the same time creates the situation that make PD unusable... anyone else with he same? maybe its leopard thing? --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Roman Haefeli reduzie...@yahoo.de wrote: From: Roman Haefeli reduzie...@yahoo.de Subject: Re: [PD] shell again To: mgr...@syr.edu Cc: pd_list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 3:02 PM On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 11:53 -0700, mark edward grimm wrote: i have been trying to use shell... works OK in linux but in osx it just crashes. i am just wondering if this thread went anywhere: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-01/067700.html i have it in a bunch of patches now and would love to use it more ... if it had more cross-compatibility (osx) because i tend to work with others + other os's. maybe i should just change to pdlua as frank suggested? or might shell someday get fixed? not sure what to do what are the symptoms of the crashes? does pd just quit with a segfault, or does [shell] makes pd hang? it's been a while, since i used [shell] the last time, but i remember, that i could always make it work with what i wanted, it was just a matter of writing the script in a way, so that it immediately exits or detaches the running processes to the background. commands, that do not exit, will make [shell] block pd. all this only applies, if you experience hangs, but not segfaults, of course. roman ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] What is the name for a Patch memory object
Hallo, Geoff hat gesagt: // Geoff wrote: You may want [memento] or [ssad] Hi I am using PD extended are they objects? I ask because I tried to create either as an object but just got the 'couldn't create' message. maybe I need jesus after all :) There is no object called [memento], but a whole saving system called that. Its main objects are [commun], [originator]. But better go with the other one, which is called [sssad] (three s!). It's just one abstraction and some docs and if it's missing in Pd-extended, you can download it from the Sourceforge site of Pd. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] shell .... again....
Le 8 mars 09 à 21:46, mark edward grimm a écrit : Often, on MacOSX, when 'Pd-extended' quit, 'pd' stay. You have to r u saying this might be a normal thing for pd-extended? for the most part no (actually on ubuntu 8.10 pd-extended recently i have to xkill fairly often?) on osx... but sometimes, more rarely, yes. No, it is not normal that Pd-extended crash ;) But it occurs sometimes. And in this case, if 'Pd-entended' crash and 'pd' is launched, you'd better to force to quit 'pd' before to relaunch 'Pd- extended'. not sure what you are asking though... is this a general problem or an issue related to [shell] still? This is not related to [shell], only a general behaviour. ++ Jack m --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Jack j...@rybn.org wrote: From: Jack j...@rybn.org Subject: Re: [PD] shell again To: mgr...@syr.edu Cc: reduzie...@yahoo.de, pd_list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 4:18 PM Often, on MacOSX, when 'Pd-extended' quit, 'pd' stay. You have to force 'pd' to quit then relauch 'Pd-extended' (if i'm right). ++ Jack Le 8 mars 09 à 21:12, mark edward grimm a écrit : oh... and PD does not quit. even if i hit relaunch or ignore or even if i just try to quit in general i have to force quit and this has been like this for a little while on differnt systems.. at least at the leopard level. not sure about tiger/ppc/ intel - not sure if that all made a difference --- On Sun, 3/8/09, mark edward grimm mgr...@syr.edu wrote: From: mark edward grimm mgr...@syr.edu Subject: Re: [PD] shell again To: reduzie...@yahoo.de Cc: pd_list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 4:07 PM what are the symptoms of the crashes? does pd just quit with a segfault, or does [shell] makes pd hang? yeah its really weird i get: the application pd quit unexpectedly then i can ignore or relaunch... either choice PD still runs in the background. the ignore or relaunch seems to be only a nag screen that does not do anything... but at the same time creates the situation that make PD unusable... anyone else with he same? maybe its leopard thing? --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Roman Haefeli reduzie...@yahoo.de wrote: From: Roman Haefeli reduzie...@yahoo.de Subject: Re: [PD] shell again To: mgr...@syr.edu Cc: pd_list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 3:02 PM On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 11:53 -0700, mark edward grimm wrote: i have been trying to use shell... works OK in linux but in osx it just crashes. i am just wondering if this thread went anywhere: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-01/067700.html i have it in a bunch of patches now and would love to use it more ... if it had more cross-compatibility (osx) because i tend to work with others + other os's. maybe i should just change to pdlua as frank suggested? or might shell someday get fixed? not sure what to do what are the symptoms of the crashes? does pd just quit with a segfault, or does [shell] makes pd hang? it's been a while, since i used [shell] the last time, but i remember, that i could always make it work with what i wanted, it was just a matter of writing the script in a way, so that it immediately exits or detaches the running processes to the background. commands, that do not exit, will make [shell] block pd. all this only applies, if you experience hangs, but not segfaults, of course. roman ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] GSC 09 : Organisation and Categorisation of Pd-Extended Externals
Hi, I just added a new category for the GSC09, Organisation and Categorisation of Pd-Extended Externals. This follows up recent discussions on the pd-dev list. It might not be eligible due to being more about restructuring already existing code than to make new code (which could be seen as documentation). But if doesn't go on, at least there was some effort to sketch the problem. The page is at http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/OrganisationAndCategorisationOfPdExtendedExternals. About mentoring: neither me nor Enrique are up for the task of reorganising svn, as we don't know enough about what goes on below the user level of Pd - so we can't do much more than say this or this would be nice. So our names are there due to interest in the project, but someone else should take care of the practical part of working the compilation material. If you think this person could be you, just put your name in. Best, João Pais -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GSoC web project idea
What would really be tops is if this could somehow automatically do a screen
grab of the path so you could see a screenshot before downloading.
Neat Idea. Right now I just keep all these tidbits in a /pd-list dir on my
comp.
~Kyle
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org wrote:
I've had an idea for a long time for a web interface to the patches
that people post to the pd-list. Basically, lots of really great code
is posted to the Pd list, but it is not very easy to find it there.
What if there was a searchable database of all patches posted to the
pd list. You could search by object name to see all patches that use
a certain object, then download it.
I think that someone who was a decent web programmer could do this.
Perhaps using something like Lucene, or really whatever. Is it worth
a summer of code project?
.hc
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publicity. - Bill Moyers
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Re: [PD] GSoC web project idea
hey hans, for what its worth, the pd-list is indexed on markmail.org, which has a very powerful search facility. a simple query of: [list:at.iem extension:pd writesf~] finds a post on any of the pd lists, with a reference to writesf~ and a attached pd file.. or if i want to stalk you and every patch you have ever posted: [list:at.iem extension:pd from:Hans-Christoph Steiner] trying to index a mail database is in my opinion quite outside the scope of pd documentation, even if it could make trawling through list archives simpler. i would certainly hate to be the student whose job it is to maintain a database of current or previously submitted attachments.. even if this job was automated, sifting out peoples problem posts from the articulate solutions is about as much fun as sorting spam on hotmail. i essentially like the idea but i really think this comes down to a few disciplined people on the list wanting to maintain a slice of puredata.org/pdpedia every time they see a piece of pd magic. cheers, dmotd On Monday 09 March 2009 05:08:54 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I've had an idea for a long time for a web interface to the patches that people post to the pd-list. Basically, lots of really great code is posted to the Pd list, but it is not very easy to find it there. What if there was a searchable database of all patches posted to the pd list. You could search by object name to see all patches that use a certain object, then download it. I think that someone who was a decent web programmer could do this. Perhaps using something like Lucene, or really whatever. Is it worth a summer of code project? .hc --- - News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
