Re: [PD] externals tutorial: link error
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/18/2011 11:04 PM, Elliott Slaughter wrote: Thanks. The MSW fix worked. Funny that m_pd.h can't figure that out automatically ??? m_pd.h is a file that cannot do anything on it's own. also, this file is only used during the compilation stage, whereas your problem comes from the linker stage. linking on windows is usually very restrictive, in that it requires the developer to explicitely define what they want to export (when writing dllS) or what they want to import (when using dllS) this requirement obviously counteracts the idea of m_pd.h (or anything else) to _automatically_ figure it out. two more things: - - when using __declspec() you should _always_ use MACROs, in order to make porting (and maintainance) easiert. look at the EXTERN definition in m_pd.h how Pd does this. - - you can also tell the linker directly which symbols you want to export. e.g, using M$VC's you can add a linker flag like /export:foo_setup, which will make the foo_setup function accessible by Pd. fgmadr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1foMUACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQGfACgybLPfdw/Vq02JJzP6nf2Xi7T R2oAoJfdc14q+H3H+wFPSNXnl+7jDmbR =dkPM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Pd-berlin meeting next tuesday, 22nd February
Hello, next tuesday, 22nd February, will be the next meeting of Pure Data users in Berlin at NK (http://www.nkprojekt.de/) - Elsenstr. 52, 2HH 2Etage. Besides normal Pd subjects, this reunion will be the first to prepare for the Berlin module of the Pd Convention (Weimar) in August. As the Berlin Pd community will be organising a weekend of events, we invite you to bring suggestions about these topics: - what kind of events to organise? Presentations, workshops, concerts? - how do you want to get involved with the organisation and participation? - suggestions to get support for the events - suggestions for venues - etc. For more information, look up http://puredata.info/community/organization/pd-berlin/pd-berlin-users-group. We also encourage you to take an active part, and put up suggestions for topics you want to talk about / topics you want to be talked about. Doors are open from 20h-20h15. After that they'll be closed, and you will have to call someone from the Pd-meeting to get in. To get a telephone number to call or confirm assistance you can write to info_at_minitronics.net. Please, don´t call to the staff of NK to open the doors. They let us use the space but we have to take care about having the meeting without producing any disturbance to them, and to clean the space after the meeting. We would apreciate if you would send us a small mail to info_at_minitronics.net with your name, Pd experience and interests, so that we know how many people might be coming. Or put your name in the pd-berlin wiki page. We would like to thank the support and willingness of NK in the organization of these events. João Pais ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] donecanvasdialog missing argument (hidetext)
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, patko wrote: Allright I've understood, to make it clear, if graphme = 0 it doesn't graph on parent if graphme is 1 it graph on parent but display name and arguments, and then, if graphme is 2 or 3 it does graph on parent and hides name and argument Yeah, and for reasons beyond us (and probably beyond anyone else), the canvas properties dialogue window sends a 3 in a donecanvasdialog message, whereas the canvas writes a 2 in a #X coords message. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: That's all true. I guess I'm limiting it to unwanted ambiguities that _cannot_ be resolved by looking at the patch. So things like fanouts and [r] creation order wouldn't count as long as having a different connection/creation order doesn't upset the function of the patch. When I wrote them, I didn't want to say that they are absolutely wrong. Some people are very strict about using [t] instead of every fan-out, but I'm not one of them. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Feb 16, 2011, at 8:27 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: 1 Don't have wires overlapping object boxes, object xlets, or object text* 2 Avoid horizontal wires - good layout to represent the flow of the data - encapsulation into rational chunks - and more... Hi. The topic is : what are sources of _ambiguïty_ in patching ? (how can we avoid ambiguïty in patching ?) Thank you. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Compiling vanilla 0.42-5 on OS X 10.6
On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:40 AM, Elliott Slaughter wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: ./configure --disable-fat That is a warning related to building universal. Ok, build gets a little further, and then: ../portaudio/src/hostapi/coreaudio/pa_mac_core.c: In function ‘OpenAndSetupOneAudioUnit’: ../portaudio/src/hostapi/coreaudio/pa_mac_core.c:752: error: ‘ComponentDescription’ undeclared (first use in this function) Full compile log: http://pastebin.com/BSFuybnC Thanks for the help. You probably need to use a newer version of portaudio for 10.6 download it from portaudio.com and replace the 'portaudio' folder. .hc .hc On Feb 18, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Elliott Slaughter wrote: Hi, I'm trying to compile vanilla Pd 0.42-5 from source on Mac OS X 10.6, and after doing a ./configure and make got a lot of warnings followed by: lipo: can't figure out the architecture type of: /var/folders/pI/ pIcjee4GEbOGlylnzdAsZTI/-Tmp-//ccLn5z7A.out Am I missing something? The instructions didn't make this sound hard. I'm using Xcode 3.2.5 (GCC 4.2.1). Thanks in advance. -- Elliott Slaughter Don't worry about what anybody else is going to do. The best way to predict the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers -- Elliott Slaughter Don't worry about what anybody else is going to do. The best way to predict the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with live coding, boring techno is much harder. - Chris McCormick ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:48:21 -0800 (PST) Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: I guess I'm limiting it to unwanted ambiguities that _cannot_ be resolved by looking at the patch. Maybe we could look at it in another way, and ask what information is hidden in a patch? Most we have mentioned so far: 1) Values of IEM GUIs 2) Creation order of cables 3) Differing implementations of objects 4) Creation order of objects In that scheme, obscured things like inlets behind wires would count. Using real fancy graphics in a modern interface maybe some use of transparency can be made. I always liked the VST hosts where you could shake cables. This made me think of a help to revealing (2). If an interface were to have hover-over tooltips, as has been discussed at times for outlets/inlets, then a cable could reveal its creation order on hover. It wouldn't obviate triggers, but would make a nice debugging feature. a. -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 Lucid - Audio Settings / Delay - not working!
No Bernardo, I get the same or even better latencies. Down to 6 ms with a very complex patch. Alsa is giving me more problems like digital A/D/A sync errors. As far as I know alsa is using oss anyway. Don't know if I'm wrong here. Ingo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Bernardo Barros [mailto:bernardobarr...@gmail.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Februar 2011 17:14 An: Ingo Scherzinger Cc: tim vets; pd-list@iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 Lucid - Audio Settings / Delay - not working! Ingo, I think OSS can offer you just very high latency. You can't get realtime with it. Did you test this 8ms latency, is that actually waht happens? I get latencies as low as 5~10 ms with alsa and jack. Besides, if you configure your system right with ALSA and JACK, you don't need to run PD as root. Don't run programs as root, this is not safe. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 Lucid - Audio Settings / Delay - notworking!
No Bernardo, I get the same or even better latencies. Down to 5-6 ms (pd audio sttings display) with a very complex patch. Alsa is giving me more problems like digital A/D/A sync errors. As far as I know alsa is using oss anyway. Not sure if I'm wrong here. Anyway, I just figured out what the problem was. I had a -blocksize 64 flag set when starting the patch. Changing this blocksize to a higher value like 512 did the trick. Now higher delay settings have an effect. Seems a bit strange to me as the actual blocksize doesn't seem to change but the maximum buffer size is increasing. It also like it's giving me a slightly lower cpu consumption (10-20%). I'll have to try different values in order to see what seems to be the best setting. Ingo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Bernardo Barros [mailto:bernardobarr...@gmail.com] Betreff: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 Lucid - Audio Settings / Delay - not working! Ingo, I think OSS can offer you just very high latency. You can't get realtime with it. Did you test this 8ms latency, is that actually waht happens? I get latencies as low as 5~10 ms with alsa and jack. Besides, if you configure your system right with ALSA and JACK, you don't need to run PD as root. Don't run programs as root, this is not safe. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 Lucid - Audio Settings / Delay - not working!
Besides the audio I sometimes need to run some [shell] commands that require root rights. No way to run it without being root. Ingo Besides, if you configure your system right with ALSA and JACK, you don't need to run PD as root. Don't run programs as root, this is not safe. i couldn't have said that better. gamdsr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter
This made me think of a help to revealing (2). If an interface were to have hover-over tooltips, as has been discussed at times for outlets/inlets, then a cable could reveal its creation order on hover. It wouldn't obviate triggers, but would make a nice debugging feature. +1 -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Professional, Performer, Instructor ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Lab: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net Event: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] time to test 9.13 on osx-intel (fwd)
I spent a bunch of hours on these builds. Could someone confirms that test8 works ? -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:09:16 -0500 (EST) From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: gridflow-...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: time to test 9.13 on osx-intel On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: http://gridflow.ca/download/packages/gridflow-9.13-macosx104-i386-test7.tar.gz test6 fixed libiconv and libintl support on OSX 10.4. test7 fixed png read/write (libpng version conflict... 1.2 vs 1.4) I still haven't got back libcv support (it was included in GF 9.9 - 9.12) http://gridflow.ca/download/packages/gridflow-9.13-macosx104-i386-test8.tar.gz test8 builds with libcv again. as an exercise, try loading doc/flow_classes/cv/#SVD-help.pd and make sure that clicking on the messagebox does output three grids. You should see 3.60555 in the first one. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] tracking multiblob with constant ID
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011, Jaime Oliver wrote: We're working to get a more definite solution. This is a kind of object that i think wold be of general use for pd users. So, I imagine other people have done similar objects??? Matching nearest neighbours in general is a nice idea, but if you wanted something based on actual overlap of the detected areas, you can't do that with min/max data or centroïd data. That's why [#labelling] also outputs a version of the incoming grid in which the 1 regions have all been flood-filled with distinct integers (numbered from 2 upwards ; it can go well beyond 255 if needed). However, I don't know any easy way to compare two images for overlap (in number of pixels), and I have not tried this yet (nor any other form of tracking of the found regions). ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter
On Feb 19, 2011, at 12:46 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: This made me think of a help to revealing (2). If an interface were to have hover-over tooltips, as has been discussed at times for outlets/inlets, then a cable could reveal its creation order on hover. It wouldn't obviate triggers, but would make a nice debugging feature. +1 I don't think the connection order should be exposed. I really think that the GUI should not encourage bad programming practice. Its also this same reason why I think that 95% of the time, segmented patch cords are bad. But yes, tooltips showing what messages an inlet expects would be great to have. Check out the l2ork distro for the new version of J.Sarlo's magic glass cord inspector. .hc http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 Lucid - Audio Settings / Delay - not working!
Use sudo. .hc On Feb 19, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Ingo wrote: Besides the audio I sometimes need to run some [shell] commands that require root rights. No way to run it without being root. Ingo Besides, if you configure your system right with ALSA and JACK, you don't need to run PD as root. Don't run programs as root, this is not safe. i couldn't have said that better. gamdsr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list “We must become the change we want to see. - Mahatma Gandhi ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] IRC channel for PureData
There is an IRC channel for PureData on the IRC.FreeNode.Net network and the name of the channel is #dataflow. Just a reminder because I hadn't announced it in a long, long time. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-kinect-skeleton
I got it working using an external program called OSCeleton and then just received the data via OSC: https://github.com/pd-projects/pd-kinect-skeleton .hc On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote: Hi I have snow leopard and a kinect and would love to try this out, but I am a little confused by the insane flurry of emails regarding this. Does the kinect work with pd? What does one need to build or prepare for the patches to work? Thanks in advance pp Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 Lucid - Audio Settings / Delay - not working!
classic What is sudo: http://xkcd.com/149/ /classic On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: Use sudo. .hc On Feb 19, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Ingo wrote: Besides the audio I sometimes need to run some [shell] commands that require root rights. No way to run it without being root. Ingo Besides, if you configure your system right with ALSA and JACK, you don't need to run PD as root. Don't run programs as root, this is not safe. i couldn't have said that better. gamdsr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list “We must become the change we want to see. - Mahatma Gandhi ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes / http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] donecanvasdialog missing argument (hidetext)
There is another thing about this feature I'd like to flag, dunno if I have to create a new topic for this When the donecanvasdialog message has been sent to my subpatch in runtime, if I close the patch I have a message appearing for saving changes in the patch, like if I used the properties dialog box, that's a bit annoying because the patch isn't supposed to save changes. I hope I've been clear enough with this problem. - Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca a écrit : On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, patko wrote: Allright I've understood, to make it clear, if graphme = 0 it doesn't graph on parent if graphme is 1 it graph on parent but display name and arguments, and then, if graphme is 2 or 3 it does graph on parent and hides name and argument Yeah, and for reasons beyond us (and probably beyond anyone else), the canvas properties dialogue window sends a 3 in a donecanvasdialog message, whereas the canvas writes a 2 in a #X coords message. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] donecanvasdialog missing argument (hidetext)
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, patko wrote: When the donecanvasdialog message has been sent to my subpatch in runtime, if I close the patch I have a message appearing for saving changes in the patch, like if I used the properties dialog box, that's a bit annoying because the patch isn't supposed to save changes. That might have been the reason why I used the coords method instead. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] data structure array not mouse editable
Hello, I'd like to draw array with data structures that is not mouse editable, and I've seen it's possible to do such thing by drawing array of array. From what I've understood by reading the archives, this is not really an intended behavior. So I'd like to know if this behavior will stay like this, or if there is a plot option to disable mouse editing. -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] loadbang not sent for dynamically created objects?
is it correct behavior that loadbang will not be called when it is part of a dynamically created object? See attached. If you load test-do, it will create an instance of test when you click on the message. Test should print loadbang and initbang, but it only prints initbang. -- John #N canvas 854 533 450 300 10; #X obj 214 80 loadbang; #X obj 216 119 print loadbang; #X obj 100 79 initbang; #X obj 102 118 print initbang; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #N canvas 538 60 879 604 10; #N canvas 387 681 450 300 creation_pool 1; #X restore 601 431 pd creation_pool; #X obj 415 370 s pd-creation_pool; #X msg 405 325 obj 10 20 test; #X connect 2 0 1 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] donecanvasdialog missing argument (hidetext)
- Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca a écrit : On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, patko wrote: When the donecanvasdialog message has been sent to my subpatch in runtime, if I close the patch I have a message appearing for saving changes in the patch, like if I used the properties dialog box, that's a bit annoying because the patch isn't supposed to save changes. That might have been the reason why I used the coords method instead. where this method is documented? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] loadbang not sent for dynamically created objects?
I've tested you patch, happens here too. But I'm no expert in this behavior. :) p.s.: The help patch on loadbang states that a bang is sent when the patch is loaded. Is it a semantic issue? Patch vs. abstraction? or merely a problem.. 'Cause initbang bangs. 2011/2/19 John Harrison johnharrison...@gmail.com is it correct behavior that loadbang will not be called when it is part of a dynamically created object? See attached. If you load test-do, it will create an instance of test when you click on the message. Test should print loadbang and initbang, but it only prints initbang. -- John ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes / http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] loadbang not sent for dynamically created objects?
hello, yes, this is known. you have to explicitly send the loadbang, like in this patch, using your exemple. (don't know about initbang, i don't use it) c Le 19/02/2011 20:33, John Harrison a écrit : is it correct behavior that loadbang will not be called when it is part of a dynamically created object? See attached. If you load test-do, it will create an instance of test when you click on the message. Test should print loadbang and initbang, but it only prints initbang. -- John ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list test-do.pd Description: application/puredata ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] loadbang not sent for dynamically created objects?
yes, this is known. By known you mean.. Is it on the bug tracker already? When such things are discovered (and by things I mean issues), shouldn't they be documented inside the help patches? It helps a lot those getting inside pd. Best, pedro On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 7:44 PM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote: hello, yes, this is known. you have to explicitly send the loadbang, like in this patch, using your exemple. (don't know about initbang, i don't use it) c Le 19/02/2011 20:33, John Harrison a écrit : is it correct behavior that loadbang will not be called when it is part of a dynamically created object? See attached. If you load test-do, it will create an instance of test when you click on the message. Test should print loadbang and initbang, but it only prints initbang. -- John ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes / http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] loadbang not sent for dynamically created objects?
Cyrille I just tried your solution and the problem is that all objects sharing the name of the dynamically-created object all get the loadbang message. On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt wrote: yes, this is known. By known you mean.. Is it on the bug tracker already? When such things are discovered (and by things I mean issues), shouldn't they be documented inside the help patches? It helps a lot those getting inside pd. Best, pedro On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 7:44 PM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote: hello, yes, this is known. you have to explicitly send the loadbang, like in this patch, using your exemple. (don't know about initbang, i don't use it) c Le 19/02/2011 20:33, John Harrison a écrit : is it correct behavior that loadbang will not be called when it is part of a dynamically created object? See attached. If you load test-do, it will create an instance of test when you click on the message. Test should print loadbang and initbang, but it only prints initbang. -- John ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes / http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] loadbang not sent for dynamically created objects?
Le 19/02/2011 20:49, Pedro Lopes a écrit : yes, this is known. By known you mean.. Is it on the bug tracker already? no, it's not considered as a bug. When such things are discovered (and by things I mean issues), shouldn't they be documented inside the help patches? dynamic patching is not officially supported. if issues are discovered (and by this i mean bug), they should be post on the bug tracker, to be corrected. c It helps a lot those getting inside pd. Best, pedro On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 7:44 PM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net mailto:c...@chnry.net wrote: hello, yes, this is known. you have to explicitly send the loadbang, like in this patch, using your exemple. (don't know about initbang, i don't use it) c Le 19/02/2011 20:33, John Harrison a écrit : is it correct behavior that loadbang will not be called when it is part of a dynamically created object? See attached. If you load test-do, it will create an instance of test when you click on the message. Test should print loadbang and initbang, but it only prints initbang. -- John ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt mailto:pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes / http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] loadbang not sent for dynamically created objects?
Le 19/02/2011 20:58, John Harrison a écrit : Cyrille I just tried your solution and the problem is that all objects sharing the name of the dynamically-created object all get the loadbang message. yes. you should create them all in the same time, and then send the loadbang. if this is not possible, you can still : -use different name on your object -use argument on the abstraction and send to bang to a [receive loadbang-$1] object inside your abstraction -use initbang -use a [oneshot] object (or similar) after the loadbang anyway, i think using dynamic creation in real time is bad. imho, it really should be limited for patch creation. c On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt mailto:pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt wrote: yes, this is known. By known you mean.. Is it on the bug tracker already? When such things are discovered (and by things I mean issues), shouldn't they be documented inside the help patches? It helps a lot those getting inside pd. Best, pedro On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 7:44 PM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net mailto:c...@chnry.net wrote: hello, yes, this is known. you have to explicitly send the loadbang, like in this patch, using your exemple. (don't know about initbang, i don't use it) c Le 19/02/2011 20:33, John Harrison a écrit : is it correct behavior that loadbang will not be called when it is part of a dynamically created object? See attached. If you load test-do, it will create an instance of test when you click on the message. Test should print loadbang and initbang, but it only prints initbang. -- John ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt mailto:pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes / http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] loadbang not sent for dynamically created objects?
uhhh not officially supported sounds great. Okay, didn't knew that position. Comment withdrawn. Best, Pedro On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:01 PM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote: Le 19/02/2011 20:49, Pedro Lopes a écrit : yes, this is known. By known you mean.. Is it on the bug tracker already? no, it's not considered as a bug. When such things are discovered (and by things I mean issues), shouldn't they be documented inside the help patches? dynamic patching is not officially supported. if issues are discovered (and by this i mean bug), they should be post on the bug tracker, to be corrected. c It helps a lot those getting inside pd. Best, pedro On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 7:44 PM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net mailto: c...@chnry.net wrote: hello, yes, this is known. you have to explicitly send the loadbang, like in this patch, using your exemple. (don't know about initbang, i don't use it) c Le 19/02/2011 20:33, John Harrison a écrit : is it correct behavior that loadbang will not be called when it is part of a dynamically created object? See attached. If you load test-do, it will create an instance of test when you click on the message. Test should print loadbang and initbang, but it only prints initbang. -- John ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt mailto:pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes / http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes / http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-kinect-skeleton
Hi I have snow leopard and a kinect and would love to try this out, but I am a little confused by the insane flurry of emails regarding this. Does the kinect work with pd? What does one need to build or prepare for the patches to work? Thanks in advance pp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] donecanvasdialog missing argument (hidetext)
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, patko wrote: - Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca a écrit : That might have been the reason why I used the coords method instead. where this method is documented? In the source code. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Compiling vanilla 0.42-5 on OS X 10.6
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:40 AM, Elliott Slaughter wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: ./configure --disable-fat That is a warning related to building universal. Ok, build gets a little further, and then: ../portaudio/src/hostapi/coreaudio/pa_mac_core.c: In function ‘OpenAndSetupOneAudioUnit’: ../portaudio/src/hostapi/coreaudio/pa_mac_core.c:752: error: ‘ComponentDescription’ undeclared (first use in this function) Full compile log: http://pastebin.com/BSFuybnC Thanks for the help. You probably need to use a newer version of portaudio for 10.6 download it from portaudio.com and replace the 'portaudio' folder. The last stable version is the same as the one included in pd-0.42, and the latest svn snapshot doesn't compile for me, so I appear to be stuck here. (Also, the src/os/mac_osx directory appears to be empty in the latest svn version, which makes pd unhappy.) ld: duplicate symbol _PaUtil_FlushRingBuffer in src/common/.libs/pa_ringbuffer.o and src/common/.libs/pa_ringbuffer.o (From trying to do ./configure make in portaudio.) i686-apple-darwin10-gcc-4.2.1: ../portaudio/src/common/pa_skeleton.c: No such file or directory i686-apple-darwin10-gcc-4.2.1: ../portaudio/src/os/mac_osx/pa_mac_hostapis.c: No such file or directory (After stuffing the new portaudio into my pd directory.) Suggestions? .hc .hc On Feb 18, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Elliott Slaughter wrote: Hi, I'm trying to compile vanilla Pd 0.42-5 from source on Mac OS X 10.6, and after doing a ./configure and make got a lot of warnings followed by: lipo: can't figure out the architecture type of: /var/folders/pI/pIcjee4GEbOGlylnzdAsZTI/-Tmp-//ccLn5z7A.out Am I missing something? The instructions didn't make this sound hard. I'm using Xcode 3.2.5 (GCC 4.2.1). Thanks in advance. -- Elliott Slaughter Don't worry about what anybody else is going to do. The best way to predict the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers -- Elliott Slaughter Don't worry about what anybody else is going to do. The best way to predict the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with live coding, boring techno is much harder. - Chris McCormick -- Elliott Slaughter Don't worry about what anybody else is going to do. The best way to predict the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] donecanvasdialog missing argument (hidetext)
Allright I've got it from canvas_coords() in g_canvas.c and arguments are appearing in this order: [coords xFrom yFrom xTo yTo xWidth yHeigth GraphMe Xmargin Ymargin( | [s mysubpatch] It's far better than donecanvasdialog method ! - Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca a écrit : On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, patko wrote: - Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca a écrit : That might have been the reason why I used the coords method instead. where this method is documented? In the source code. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter
How can you say that segmented patch cords are bad 95% of the time when they are not even available in Pd 100% of the time? Just to take Miller#39;s Techniques as an example, if there were segmented patch cords then all of his horizontal connections could be made unambiguous by having about 5px of vertical cord segment directly above the inlet. Also, I#39;ve never seen you complain about any of the ASCII art on the this list, which often (surely more than 5% of the time) uses - and | at 90-degree angles and + to make segmented patch cords. -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter
If you never depend on connection order (which you sholdn#39;t because, as we#39;ve discussed, it is visually ambiguous), then how exactly would that help you debug? -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter
Regarding ambiguity, I#39;d say a good rule of thumb is that one should be able to draw the patch on a sheet of paper without introducing any ambiguity. So things like inlet tool tips and cord shaking don#39;t resolve ambiguity in the visual representation of the patch, though they may be useful in other ways. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] time to test 9.13 on osx-intel (fwd)
Just gave it a go. I get this message when Pd starts: /Library/Pd/gridflow/gridflow.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Library/Pd/gridflow/gridflow.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /sw/lib/libpng14.14.dylib Referenced from: /Library/Pd/gridflow/gridflow.pd_darwin Reason: image not found gridflow: can't load library .mmb On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: I spent a bunch of hours on these builds. Could someone confirms that test8 works ? -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:09:16 -0500 (EST) From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: gridflow-...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: time to test 9.13 on osx-intel On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: http://gridflow.ca/download/packages/gridflow-9.13-macosx104-i386-test7.tar.gz test6 fixed libiconv and libintl support on OSX 10.4. test7 fixed png read/write (libpng version conflict... 1.2 vs 1.4) I still haven't got back libcv support (it was included in GF 9.9 - 9.12) http://gridflow.ca/download/packages/gridflow-9.13-macosx104-i386-test8.tar.gz test8 builds with libcv again. as an exercise, try loading doc/flow_classes/cv/#SVD-help.pd and make sure that clicking on the messagebox does output three grids. You should see 3.60555 in the first one. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Mike Moser-Booth mmoserbo...@gmail.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: How can you say that segmented patch cords are bad 95% of the time when they are not even available in Pd 100% of the time? Just to take Miller's Techniques as an example, if there were segmented patch cords then all of his horizontal connections could be made unambiguous by having about 5px of vertical cord segment directly above the inlet. If you continue arguing this, you could be wasting as much time as I did ! ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] data structure array not mouse editable
I've just seen that an array of array is now mouse editable so is there an option to make an array not mouse editable, or to disable mouse edition of x or y or w? - patko colet.patr...@free.fr a écrit : Hello, I'd like to draw array with data structures that is not mouse editable, and I've seen it's possible to do such thing by drawing array of array. From what I've understood by reading the archives, this is not really an intended behavior. So I'd like to know if this behavior will stay like this, or if there is a plot option to disable mouse editing. -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] loadbang not sent for dynamically created objects?
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Pedro Lopes wrote: uhhh not officially supported sounds great. Okay, didn't knew that position. Comment withdrawn. Ah, btw, you have to know what official means in the pd world. GUI classes outside of Pd are all using unofficial, unsupported APIs. It's been like that for over ten years. All that time, people have been bundling g_canvas.h with their externals because Pd distributions don't come with that file, because it's unofficial. That's what unofficial means around here : without unofficial APIs, you can hardly get anything done. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-kinect-skeleton
https://github.com/Sensebloom/OSCeleton .hc On Feb 19, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote: Thanks Hans is osckeleton an install or a build? Patrick Pagano B.S.,M.F.A Digital Media Engineer UF Digital Worlds Institute (352)294-2020 On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: I got it working using an external program called OSCeleton and then just received the data via OSC: https://github.com/pd-projects/pd-kinect-skeleton .hc On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote: Hi I have snow leopard and a kinect and would love to try this out, but I am a little confused by the insane flurry of emails regarding this. Does the kinect work with pd? What does one need to build or prepare for the patches to work? Thanks in advance pp Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] data structure array not mouse editable
--- On Sat, 2/19/11, patko colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: From: patko colet.patr...@free.fr Subject: Re: [PD] data structure array not mouse editable To: pd-list pd-list@iem.at Date: Saturday, February 19, 2011, 11:05 PM I've just seen that an array of array is now mouse editable so is there an option to make an array not mouse editable, or to disable mouse edition of x or y or w? No, because there is no way to tell when the user is actively changing the value of an array element. There is output from [struct] if you're changing the value of a float or symbol field, however, so for non-array fields you can create a hack that immediately sets any value changed by mouse interaction back to its previous value. For array elements: You can use [table] or a Put menu array as the real array data, and have your ds array poll that data periodically with a [metro whatever]. Each time you poll, set reset the ds array elements to the corresponding elements of [table]. So the user can change the values, but they go back to their real values the next time you poll. -Jonathan - patko colet.patr...@free.fr a écrit : Hello, I'd like to draw array with data structures that is not mouse editable, and I've seen it's possible to do such thing by drawing array of array. From what I've understood by reading the archives, this is not really an intended behavior. So I'd like to know if this behavior will stay like this, or if there is a plot option to disable mouse editing. -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter
--- On Sat, 2/19/11, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Saturday, February 19, 2011, 10:42 PM On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: How can you say that segmented patch cords are bad 95% of the time when they are not even available in Pd 100% of the time? Just to take Miller's Techniques as an example, if there were segmented patch cords then all of his horizontal connections could be made unambiguous by having about 5px of vertical cord segment directly above the inlet. If you continue arguing this, you could be wasting as much time as I did ! I'll continue to argue if hc gives me some Pd examples that back up his 95% bad claim. But unless I'm missing a turn on segmented patch cords checkbutton buried in a menu somewhere, I believe this is the end of the argument. -Jonathan ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: I'll continue to argue if hc gives me some Pd examples that back up his 95% bad claim. But unless I'm missing a turn on segmented patch cords checkbutton buried in a menu somewhere, I believe this is the end of the argument. The claim has been used for a long time, to justify why pd doesn't have this feature. Even though Pd doesn't have it, MAX has it, and this is what people here refer to when they talk about segmented patch cords (most of the time). ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] loadbang not sent for dynamically created objects?
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, John Harrison wrote: is it correct behavior that loadbang will not be called when it is part of a dynamically created object? See attached. If you load test-do, it will create an instance of test when you click on the message. Test should print loadbang and initbang, but it only prints initbang. initbang is called when your [test] abstraction is finished loading. loadbang is called when your [test] abstraction's parent is finished loading. in the case of dynamic patching, you're supposed to know when you're finished instantiating, and then call loadbang by yourself. If your dynamic patching is incremental, you may use [gf/canvas_loadbang] with [gf/canvas_count], to send loadbang only to the new objects (and not to those that are supposed to have already received loadbang). ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] time to test 9.13 on osx-intel (fwd)
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Mike Moser-Booth wrote: Just gave it a go. I get this message when Pd starts: /Library/Pd/gridflow/gridflow.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Library/Pd/gridflow/gridflow.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /sw/lib/libpng14.14.dylib Referenced from: /Library/Pd/gridflow/gridflow.pd_darwin Reason: image not found gridflow: can't load library In test8 I reverted the png fix by accident. I fixed it back in test9 : http://gridflow.ca/download/packages/gridflow-9.13-macosx104-i386-test9.tar.gz try again (please) ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] loadbang not sent for dynamically created objects?
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 9:07 PM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote: anyway, i think using dynamic creation in real time is bad. imho, it really should be limited for patch creation. Hi Cyrille, can you explain better your position please? I have been using dynamic patching in real time a lot in my works and I didn't noticed big problems. It's more: it will be very hard to me realize some programming without using dynamic creation at all. So i'm just curious. saluts husk -- when Art become pratical we call it technology. When Technology become useless we call it Art www.estereotips.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] time to test 9.13 on osx-intel (fwd)
Still get the same error. :-( .mmb On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Mike Moser-Booth wrote: Just gave it a go. I get this message when Pd starts: /Library/Pd/gridflow/gridflow.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Library/Pd/gridflow/gridflow.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /sw/lib/libpng14.14.dylib Referenced from: /Library/Pd/gridflow/gridflow.pd_darwin Reason: image not found gridflow: can't load library In test8 I reverted the png fix by accident. I fixed it back in test9 : http://gridflow.ca/download/packages/gridflow-9.13-macosx104-i386-test9.tar.gz try again (please) ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC -- Mike Moser-Booth mmoserbo...@gmail.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] donecanvasdialog missing argument (hidetext)
If you send a [dirty 0( message after the [donecanvasdialog( one, you can prevent the save changes dialog from popping up. .mmb On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 2:23 PM, patko colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: There is another thing about this feature I'd like to flag, dunno if I have to create a new topic for this When the donecanvasdialog message has been sent to my subpatch in runtime, if I close the patch I have a message appearing for saving changes in the patch, like if I used the properties dialog box, that's a bit annoying because the patch isn't supposed to save changes. I hope I've been clear enough with this problem. - Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca a écrit : On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, patko wrote: Allright I've understood, to make it clear, if graphme = 0 it doesn't graph on parent if graphme is 1 it graph on parent but display name and arguments, and then, if graphme is 2 or 3 it does graph on parent and hides name and argument Yeah, and for reasons beyond us (and probably beyond anyone else), the canvas properties dialogue window sends a 3 in a donecanvasdialog message, whereas the canvas writes a 2 in a #X coords message. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Mike Moser-Booth mmoserbo...@gmail.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] donecanvasdialog missing argument (hidetext)
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Mike Moser-Booth wrote: If you send a [dirty 0( message after the [donecanvasdialog( one, you can prevent the save changes dialog from popping up. You're also preventing it if it were supposed to pop up. If you want to preserve the dirty-flag in its same state, you need either a way to read the flag, or a way to not modify it. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter
--- On Sun, 2/20/11, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 1:40 AM On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: I'll continue to argue if hc gives me some Pd examples that back up his 95% bad claim. But unless I'm missing a turn on segmented patch cords checkbutton buried in a menu somewhere, I believe this is the end of the argument. The claim has been used for a long time, to justify why pd doesn't have this feature. Even though Pd doesn't have it, MAX has it, and this is what people here refer to when they talk about segmented patch cords (most of the time). http://cycling74.com/docs/max5/vignettes/core/max_alphabetical.html I started at the top, checked the help for all the objects under symbols and A. Thirty-five help docs with 27 segmented patch cords, and _none_ of them are ambiguous. So what exactly are people referring to, other than some anecdotal evidence about some students somewhere who made some patches with some segmented patch cords that they thought looked bad? -Jonathan ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-kinect-skeleton
Seems like everything built-- what has to be run for pd to notice it? Patrick Pagano B.S.,M.F.A Digital Media Engineer UF Digital Worlds Institute (352)294-2020 On Feb 19, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: https://github.com/Sensebloom/OSCeleton .hc On Feb 19, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote: Thanks Hans is osckeleton an install or a build? Patrick Pagano B.S.,M.F.A Digital Media Engineer UF Digital Worlds Institute (352)294-2020 On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: I got it working using an external program called OSCeleton and then just received the data via OSC: https://github.com/pd-projects/pd-kinect-skeleton .hc On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote: Hi I have snow leopard and a kinect and would love to try this out, but I am a little confused by the insane flurry of emails regarding this. Does the kinect work with pd? What does one need to build or prepare for the patches to work? Thanks in advance pp Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: So what exactly are people referring to, other than some anecdotal evidence about some students somewhere who made some patches with some segmented patch cords that they thought looked bad? I mean that they might be referring to anecdotal evidence involving MAX. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] time to test 9.13 on osx-intel (fwd)
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Mike Moser-Booth wrote: Still get the same error. :-( ok, that was because I was linking with both the correct libpng and the wrong libpng. This is fixed, as well as another linkage problem (libiconv in libintl). http://gridflow.ca/download/packages/gridflow-9.13-macosx104-i386-test10.tar.gz ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-kinect-skeleton
Hmm, I don't remember, it was some command line program, it should be in the OSCeleton instructions. .hc On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote: Seems like everything built-- what has to be run for pd to notice it? Patrick Pagano B.S.,M.F.A Digital Media Engineer UF Digital Worlds Institute (352)294-2020 On Feb 19, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: https://github.com/Sensebloom/OSCeleton .hc On Feb 19, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote: Thanks Hans is osckeleton an install or a build? Patrick Pagano B.S.,M.F.A Digital Media Engineer UF Digital Worlds Institute (352)294-2020 On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: I got it working using an external program called OSCeleton and then just received the data via OSC: https://github.com/pd-projects/pd-kinect-skeleton .hc On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote: Hi I have snow leopard and a kinect and would love to try this out, but I am a little confused by the insane flurry of emails regarding this. Does the kinect work with pd? What does one need to build or prepare for the patches to work? Thanks in advance pp Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith http://at.or.at/hans/ Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with live coding, boring techno is much harder. - Chris McCormick ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] time to test 9.13 on osx-intel (fwd)
The libpng error is gone, but now I get this one: /Library/Pd/gridflow/gridflow.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Library/Pd/gridflow/gridflow.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /Users/pddev/.../lib/libcxcore.2.dylib Referenced from: /Library/Pd/gridflow/libs/libcv.2.dylib Reason: image not found gridflow: can't load library .mmb On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Mike Moser-Booth wrote: Still get the same error. :-( ok, that was because I was linking with both the correct libpng and the wrong libpng. This is fixed, as well as another linkage problem (libiconv in libintl). http://gridflow.ca/download/packages/gridflow-9.13-macosx104-i386-test10.tar.gz ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC -- Mike Moser-Booth mmoserbo...@gmail.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] time to test 9.13 on osx-intel (fwd)
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Mike Moser-Booth wrote: The libpng error is gone, but now I get this one: /Library/Pd/gridflow/gridflow.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Library/Pd/gridflow/gridflow.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /Users/pddev/.../lib/libcxcore.2.dylib Referenced from: /Library/Pd/gridflow/libs/libcv.2.dylib Reason: image not found gridflow: can't load library http://gridflow.ca/download/packages/gridflow-9.13-macosx104-i386-test11.tar.gz ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter
--- On Sun, 2/20/11, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 5:01 AM On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: So what exactly are people referring to, other than some anecdotal evidence about some students somewhere who made some patches with some segmented patch cords that they thought looked bad? I mean that they might be referring to anecdotal evidence involving MAX. Yeah, I heard that this one guy had so many segmented patch cords in Max that he got tangled up in them, and he drowned, and Phil Collins saw it happen and wrote the song In the Air Tonight about the incident. -Jonathan ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
