[PD] gem 0.93 and frei0r (was Re: [PD-announce] gem 0.93.0)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-26 18:30, Pagano, Patrick wrote: > FreiOr SUPPORT!!! > Massive WIN > I assume that this is for linux/OSX? > Or do you have frei0r working on WIN? there is nothing linux/osx specific in the code on Gem's side, and the dylib code is abstracted away. in theory(!), you should be able to use frei0r plugins from within Gem on w32, as soon as you can get hold of a frei0r plugin compiled for w32. fmasr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5bTMsACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTtaACfdhXL44HGDUrBvw5KDiz/ZthU /0gAnROuHFsQR0IZvq5hlEQjJ2wSr4Ww =Xkis -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Building GEM with MinGW gcc WAS: [PD-announce] gem 0.93.1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-29 17:10, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > incrementally. So first just the most basic, stripped down version of > Gem building, then try adding more features as things get working. > luckily, all the complicated dependency stuff is no longer required to build Gem anyhow. cool that we now have plugins :-) fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5brxoACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvS7LwCgxurQKP6rlli/lgJnflV7N5n9 HPwAoMEjBiPgTzrDjg9UA2UcYtNA3h98 =b64i -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] gem 0.93.1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-29 17:00, bra...@subnet.at wrote: > hi...thank you...great job > > but :-(( : > > attached patch named _maincamera3 did work with ver: 0.91-cvs win7/64. > with the new one it crashes pd. even with noloadbang > > maybe you can find out what happend maybe you can help us a bit. e.g. by: - - telling us which OS you are using - - which Pd? - - creating a _minimal_ patch that triggers the problem - - what get's printed to the pd-console before the crash? what get's printed to the console? - - what if you raise verbosity to level 2? fgamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5br/oACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQJHQCfYKJTxfi7VmFN+IdSNdvDGshz 6X4AnjKOrP9MFaurKSAmuyPXz6Hmnhdn =EAQq -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] getting console output when Pd crashes on w32 (was Re: [PD-announce] gem 0.93.1)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-29 18:46, bra...@subnet.at wrote: > > - what get's printed to the pd-console before the crash? what get's > printed to the console? > >> nothingpd just disapear never! i think this has been mentioned on this list a couple of times, but let's do it again you ought to start Pd from the cmdline/shell/CLI (the thing you get when you do "Cmd-R" and start the "cmd" program), use "pd.com" (rather than "pd.exe"), give it the "-stderr" flag (so it won't print to the pd-console but to the console instead), and eventually add "-verbose - -verbose" to the flags. something like: $ C:\Programme\pd\bin\pd.com -stderr -open patch.pd 2> pd.log this will print everything into a log-file "pd.log". once you triggered the crash, the pd.log will still be their and ready for future inspection. > > - what if you raise verbosity to level 2? > >> i have to find out how, because i am still not familiar with the new >> .bat in win7 no need for a .bat file. .bat files are their for convenience, so you don't need to reiterate simple tasks. let's hope that you don't need to debug so often, that you need a convenience framework for that. just add "-verbose -verbose" (that's 2* "-verbose") right after ther "-stderr"... fgnasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5ci/QACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTufgCeJO1cfQSgycPUWmAywcspoRBO 7CsAoK5MEuYL2RijYndj5DUflwlFo+VZ =4mkg -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sending image from of / libpd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-29 20:51, Peter Brinkmann wrote: > > > Maybe we can have a poll and come up with a better estimate. Here are a few > questions: > > 1. What sort of use case for long list messages to you have in mind? > 2. Exactly how long would you need the list to be? > 3. Is this really a use case for list messages or would it make more sense > to write to an array instead? > > If we converge to a reasonable number, that'll be the new limit. Otherwise, > the entire approach may have to go. > personally i do think that any fixed limit is going to impose troubles. afaict, the main idea here is to provide an easy to use API, combined with some performance. somebody _will_ reach your hard limit, and i think that telling them to either switch from the "foolproof API" to "export mode" or to redesign their patches just because they called "add_element()" once too often will not do. why not simply resize the internal array as needed, starting with 32 elements and doubling whenever the limit is reached? fgasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5ckYcACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQ85gCfWJcNIzEGnhz9hdnz/XBuRYuI TMEAnjfytStl5sFDqkJ9HppZ9XQylgni =HvJ0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] getting console output when Pd crashes on w32 (was Re: [PD-announce] gem 0.93.1)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-30 11:51, bra...@subnet.at wrote: > hmmmthank you > > attached the pd.log file and the file pdVV.txt -verbose -verbose prints... > thanks. the pd.log doesn't do much, but pdVV.txt shows a bit. #1 are you sure that this is Gem-0.93.1, and not Gem-0.93.0? (in 0.93.0 the splashscreen would show "0.91.CVS", i thought i fixed that with 0.91.1) #2 afaict, you get the crash while loading your patch (even before any loadbang might get evaluated); the problem might be related to ImageMagick therefore: could you try to move the "gem_imageMAGICK.dll" out of the way? (effectively disabling this plugin). does it still crash? if this fixes the problem, you could try to re-install Gem and de-selecting "imageMAGICK" and instead selecting "imageQT" (which will use QuickTime for imageloading) or "imageJPEG", "imageTIFF" and "imageSGI" (which will use the image loaders you had in older Gem releases) if it does not fix the problem, what do you get if you add "-noprefs" to the startup flags (logfiles please)? fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5cuEgACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRVHwCg5rgaw+vAQyh/qv5N0c1p6UPk nfsAoOxK0bValRsVE338Q7Ol4YfboKvd =Qy5F -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] getting console output when Pd crashes on w32 (was Re: [PD-announce] gem 0.93.1)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-30 12:45, bra...@subnet.at wrote: > Zitat von "IOhannes m zmoelnig" : > > On 2011-08-30 11:51, bra...@subnet.at wrote: >>>> hmmmthank you >>>> >>>> attached the pd.log file and the file pdVV.txt -verbose -verbose >>>> prints... >>>> > > thanks. > the pd.log doesn't do much, but pdVV.txt shows a bit. > > #1 are you sure that this is Gem-0.93.1, and not Gem-0.93.0? > (in 0.93.0 the splashscreen would show "0.91.CVS", i thought i fixed > that with 0.91.1) > >> GEM: ver: 0.93.CVS let's rephrase: Gem-0.93.0 would display "0.93.CVS" whereas Gem-0.93.1 should display "0.93.1" therefore i ask whether you are sure that you are using 0.93.1 (try to re-download the installer, it might have been fixed 5 minutes after the initial upload) i just want t omake sure that we are definitely working on 0.93.1 > > > #2 afaict, you get the crash while loading your patch (even before any > loadbang might get evaluated); the problem might be related to > ImageMagick > > therefore: > could you try to move the "gem_imageMAGICK.dll" out of the way? > (effectively disabling this plugin). > >> i renamed it to _gem_imageMAGICK.dll, is that ok? that should be enough. > > does it still crash? > >> yes darn > >> no prefs starts the patch. that was a bit too optimistic: i meant "-noprefs -lib Gem" (so we only have Gem loaded and no other library) and please always use "-verbose -verbose"; the non-verbose logs are virtually useless. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5cwZ4ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTMsgCeJyVvTQmzqCTy3/rLXLpeQjX+ 6kUAnRYcEU+gJpYJgC05CH1cd1pMQNmd =i66S -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] getting console output when Pd crashes on w32 (was Re: [PD-announce] gem 0.93.1)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-30 13:16, bra...@subnet.at wrote: > now we are dealing with GEM: ver: 0.93.1 cool, thanks therefore: could you try to move the "gem_imageMAGICK.dll" out of the way? (effectively disabling this plugin). so could we try that again? for simplicity, could you move _all_ plugins into a disabled/ folder (or rename all of them; or delete all of them), and then post the verbose2 logs (and -noprefs -lib Gem ...) gmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5c0M8ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvS/8gCg7NJ4ywqa5dDStauFj5iKO8Qj Zx0AoNKgldy53r+XT6u6H04cJy9w7Uqv =Q3MS -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sending image from of / libpd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-30 14:45, Dan Wilcox wrote: > Dunno. Try it out and let us know. I'm pretty sure it may be slow to send a > largish image > 640x480, so I'd start out at 120x240 or so. I've streamed > realtime color video at that size using binary blobs in OSC without a > problem, so I can't imagine small images being too slow ... then again I > haven't tried it with libpd. > i assume that is on localhost... if doing that on a real network with OSC-over-UDP (which i assume as well, as it is the default), you will soon get into problems: even with jumbo frames turned on, the maximum frame size is 9000bytes. fgamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5c4TYACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRHtwCg7pP0UpqV9Yv63okqo4O1Lcc/ xlUAoNxKdheE8lL+HwOQ3dCEWyeqx+kY =U42r -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sending image from of / libpd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-30 17:15, Dan Wilcox wrote: > Hah, oh IOhannes ... > > Go to Ars Electronica and you'll see a little pillar next to the Donau that's > running from 9pm to 10pm every night. The live display is actually rendered > on the server deep inside the building and sent over OSC to the pillar. It's > been running since last August ... > > http://vimeo.com/14307109 > > Most osc implementations allow you to increase the max packet size. > i am not aware of an OSC implementation that can increase the packet size of the kernel and of all the external hardware (routers) involved. do you remember the actually used packet size? was that UDP? fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5c/18ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRYnQCZAQT0wVqNSD2pUem/+anwS4Ze sVgAnjjGmy0GhVYTsN4k/Q3JNv548WYR =k0Vo -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] getting console output when Pd crashes on w32 (was Re: [PD-announce] gem 0.93.1)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-30 17:20, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Tue, 30 Aug 2011, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > >> $ C:\Programme\pd\bin\pd.com -stderr -open patch.pd 2> pd.log > > does 2> exist in that shell ? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/110930 > > my memory is that I learned 2> in 1997 as part of bash, just like 666 > other features that weren't in COMMAND.COM. > > Was that added in Windows 4.0, or later ? i have no idea. i just found out that it worked port w2k (i think) > > Note that the $ sign is not part of the command. Also, it can confuse > users when it gets written in front of a command and after a line that > says « type this command : ». I've seen it happen. true. but it's the best formatting i can come up with to make a cli-command explicit. luckily, it seems that markus figured that out himself. fgamdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5dAI4ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTt+wCgox2XeTKRJhq3JqEjDKn53SlK gIQAnRo74dE3a2EoRJDaZl2N8+/lg40h =V27i -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] getting console output when Pd crashes on w32 (was Re: [PD-announce] gem 0.93.1)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-30 18:56, bra...@subnet.at wrote: > sorry first...i was out of office...lets start > np. at least we now know that it is not the plugins that are problematic. i fear that you really have to trim down the patch to a minimal set of objects that trigger the crash. fmsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5dGsAACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQ5yQCdE2e1/JJ6TQEGp9jFnZ1rJXDt MBMAmwXH/c7BzFRGfjqLmkMI1/WDHxiQ =WQaQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] getting console output when Pd crashes on w32 (was Re: [PD-announce] gem 0.93.1)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-31 13:15, bra...@subnet.at wrote: > maybe an idea where to start? well, start form your patch and remove everything that is not Gem. then copy everything left into a flat patch. then remove entire gemchains until only the one that causes the crash is left. then remove objects from this gemchain until only the objects needed to crash are left. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5eGdIACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSbVwCeIlFj/1thLLqV8n/1FSVi4JYx UkkAoKr5sKbBBIhJUNKmPToC+eSm9EeD =1crf -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Fwd: Re: getting console output when Pd crashes on w32
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-01 10:25, bra...@subnet.at wrote: > text3dhurraif i preload a font it does crash anymore. > first of all, thanks for tracking the problem so far! with "preload" you mean, sending a "font /path/to/my/valid/font.ttf" message before starting the rendering? do other text objects ([textoutline],...) crash as well? fgmnasr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5fQnwACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTV/QCgm9mmuy0RHzxArLLXQ0aNMGPZ Vg0AoI8tj+qLlKb4atkFH+VqxcVthQRB =AjXS -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Controlling a Printer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-31 23:04, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Wed, 31 Aug 2011, Tyler Leavitt wrote: > >> I was curious if anybody has dabbled in controlling a printer through >> pd. I'm waiting for a cheap one to arrive at the local second-hand >> store, so while I wait to attempt it myself I thought I'd ask the list. > > If using a Parallel Port (LPT) interface on Linux, there's if using parallel port (LPT) on linux or windows, you could try zexy's [lpt]. fgmadf IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5fRsEACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSqXgCfX6d/ECNp92w/DoSTdTisN11w iZAAoMhruSiHW3EWj7/56N/r/C8h7qjC =3/Fd -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] receiving messages in [expr] ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-31 16:11, Michael Zacherl. wrote: > despite what IOhannes pointed out (and I still agree with him) i do not doubt that there are many use cases where it is indeed a better idea to avoid connections in favour of an accessing memory by name. i only wanted to point out that it many cases it is not. ghmsd IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5fR2gACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSU5gCeKKvqh17jnKrb887TMZMuGbyG TWQAnAv9Ym9wthVqXni77aljNiRJPmN5 =0Jt3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Fwd: Re: getting console output when Pd crashes on w32
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-01 10:59, bra...@subnet.at wrote: > Zitat von "IOhannes m zmoelnig" : > > On 2011-09-01 10:25, bra...@subnet.at wrote: >>>> text3dhurraif i preload a font it does crash >>>> anymore. >>>> > > first of all, thanks for tracking the problem so far! > >> since i´m not able to do anything elsewith pleasure > > > > with "preload" you mean, sending a "font /path/to/my/valid/font.ttf" > message before starting the rendering? > >> before switching on the render chain thanks. i was more referring to the actual message than the time of execution, but i think i understand now. > > > do other text objects ([textoutline],...) crash as well? > >> i do not know, because i did not use it so fari´ll give it a trail super, just replace [text3d] by [textoutline]. when looking through your logs again, i noticed something weird: tried C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Pd\C:\Program Files (x86)\pd\extra\Gem\examples\data\vera.ttf and failed tried C:\Program Files (x86)\pd\extra\C:\Program Files (x86)\pd\extra\Gem\examples\data\vera.ttf and failed tried C:\Users\brandt\Application Data\Pd\C:\Program Files (x86)\pd\extra\Gem\examples\data\vera.ttf and failed tried E:\Mkoffa_root\camera\C:\Program Files (x86)\pd\extra\Gem\examples\data\vera.ttf and failed so it basically tries to find the font in some nonsense paths, which fails. it shouldn't crash though. i'll be offline for the next 2 weeks, and unlikely to fix any problems in this time (ah, holidays...) please file a bug-report at http://sf.net/projects/pd-gem/ with all the information you have. gamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5fT88ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQ3JgCaAwk7s9DSoAbXWvAbCmDsqE8g XXkAn0GhqtAzsaCI3eTNWk2IG8svNBTP =b6kl -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Fwd: Re: getting console output when Pd crashes on w32
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-01 11:26, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > i'll be offline for the next 2 weeks, and unlikely to fix any problems > in this time (ah, holidays...) > please file a bug-report at http://sf.net/projects/pd-gem/ > with all the information you have. thanks for doing a bug report. with "all the information you have", i meant "ALL the information you have", which things i asked so far, like: - - operating system - - gem version (it's obvious for us now, but the bug report is not directly linked to this email thread) - - ... fgmasdf IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5fhnIACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvT9bQCgg0ajwBO/zukKopJ9l3mTMKZV 36cAoMwMsmwS+qfxFFXu9Ruhu8ThgjHv =zvIe -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] zexy aliasing policy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-19 13:00, Jamie Bullock wrote: > > Hi IOhannes, list, > > Can you tell me if there is any policy about zexy aliasing internal objects? > Mainly I want to know if it is your intention to maintain compatibility > between builtins and zexy objects with the same name. > there are 2 cases here: - - "zexy aliasing internal objects" applies (afaik), only to [pack] and [unpack]; the policy is, that they ought to be compatible, but enhanced versions of the original objects. since in fact they are not, the shadowing of the built-in objects is currently disabled, and you can only access these objects via [zexy/pack] resp [zexy/unpack]) - - "internal objects aliasing zexy": this is more likely ([abs~] and [wrap] come to my mind); the policy here is, to keep the old zexy behaviour as long as this "enhances" (aka "adds to") the original behaviour. if the internal object had an added feature, i would most likely add this feature to the zey object (though this never happened, afair). if the internal object breaks compatibility, i will most likely keep the original zexy behaviour (unless the break is indeed a bugfix); afair, this has not happened so far. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk53Rf8ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRozQCfTBtooKi2kFFyjCy5n3cqbeYG P2QAniIhbjEIB/Kt99FVOmYWILzG4YW2 =MmX6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended.deb does (not) conflict with puredata.deb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-19 15:36, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > I think I fixed that last night, please try today's build. The > pd-extended and puredata packages now support update-alternatives, so > you can choose which package runs when you type 'pd'. > afaict, roman has an old version of puredata installed (0.42.6-2), which does not yet use alternatives (iirc). i think it might make sense to conflict with "puredata (<< 0.43)" fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk53RmQACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQCGwCgy11NvS4YhIhqjxcNtl+Mbst5 M9EAn0TSOEvLQeosRv2EtwMx+UqL1njY =4sBs -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd 0.43-1 test 4 released
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-18 06:34, Miller Puckette wrote: > git clone git://pure-data.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pure-data/pure-data it seems like you forgot to push? the last commit i see is from 2011-08-24 fmadsr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk53ZqYACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvT/CwCgv0XbBUmdMwj95KhTqI1w+psd u4gAniqdfsa8k5hny3gA/Um8XEjX9Rs2 =rxjG -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd 0.43-1 test 4 released
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-19 18:08, Miller Puckette wrote: > Bad git confusion on my part... try it now. > thanks, that did the trick. afmser IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk53blUACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTtPQCfX/lIqtCGFlw7tfaHYzsQA8iK /KoAnRqjTq9Dkiu5AtmChqx80vn54U2l =CBe0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] stop sample playback when phasor~ reset?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-19 20:33, James Dunn wrote: > backwards). I've looked at edge~ and samphold~ triggered by a bang~ but what's wrong with [samphold~]? (though i don't understand what you need [bang~] for...) see attached patch. fmgadr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk54SYUACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSkeQCfYgTYoTKDt/ZFAKfjAeCRj/5y JOUAoPFXfrh5RD8qZbLQJl25PojONc8v =c4bd -END PGP SIGNATURE- #N canvas 375 261 772 469 10; #X obj 129 272 samphold~; #X obj 90 295 *~; #X floatatom 91 180 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 89 366 tabwrite~ sample; #X obj 391 294 table sample 4410; #X msg 46 57 bang; #X obj 46 77 t b b; #X obj 225 69 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 1; #X obj 225 89 select 1 0; #X obj 284 200 sig~ 1; #X obj 270 220 *~; #X msg 225 180 1; #X obj 225 200 t f f; #X msg 225 220 set \$1; #X msg 270 181 0; #X msg 128 345 bang; #X msg 109 94 1; #X msg 141 113 0; #X obj 109 114 t f; #X obj 112 70 t b b; #X obj 141 93 del 50; #X obj 91 201 phasor~ 50; #X text 320 53 1...pass phasor; #X text 319 71 0...stop phasor~ at end of next phase cycle; #X connect 0 0 1 1; #X connect 1 0 3 0; #X connect 2 0 21 0; #X connect 5 0 6 0; #X connect 6 0 3 0; #X connect 6 1 19 0; #X connect 7 0 8 0; #X connect 8 0 11 0; #X connect 8 1 14 0; #X connect 9 0 10 1; #X connect 10 0 0 0; #X connect 11 0 12 0; #X connect 12 0 13 0; #X connect 12 1 10 0; #X connect 13 0 0 0; #X connect 14 0 10 0; #X connect 15 0 3 0; #X connect 16 0 18 0; #X connect 17 0 18 0; #X connect 18 0 7 0; #X connect 19 0 16 0; #X connect 19 1 20 0; #X connect 20 0 17 0; #X connect 21 0 1 0; #X connect 21 0 0 1; smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] stop sample playback when phasor~ reset?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-20 10:06, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > On 2011-09-19 20:33, James Dunn wrote: >> backwards). I've looked at edge~ and samphold~ triggered by a bang~ but > > what's wrong with [samphold~]? (though i don't understand what you need > [bang~] for...) > and if you worry about playing backward, then you should simply modify the output of phasor~ after the stop logic, not before. ftgamsd IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk54S4EACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQvGACfVbIC5M1psD8FUyTY1M/Zg77r V9AAoJpJtaY38hqiIqXk9xnnrWw9qRnl =kU3r -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Problem w/ Gem 0.93.1 on Windows 7
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-25 20:46, Epic Jefferson wrote: > I tried it once again, deleted gem 0.92.3, installed 0.93.1, get the error > message, complete reinstallation of pd-ext 0.42.5, then install gem 0.93.1 > again, same error message. Perhaps someone could make a zip file and send me > that pthreadVC.dll and tell me where to place it, would it go in the gem > folder? Program files (x86)/pd/extra/Gem? > afaik, pthreadVC.dll comes with all binary releases of pd-vanilla. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6AJUoACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQREQCgoRi8veAgo3KDVVcLLVMeZwmM b2AAoMGbSJyUKM2WjBR02+HvQ7VDaWVu =9OW8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Help with [pix_multiblob]'s outlet.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-25 16:19, Eduardo Rosario wrote: > Ain't got no problem getting the list of numbers from the rightmost outlet, > but don't really understand what each one of those stands for: > centerX(weighted), centerY(weighted), size(weighted), minX, minY, maxX, > maxY, area. what exactly is it that you don't understand? the "weighted" elements take the luminance of the blobs and interpret them as 'mass': this mans, the brighter a pixel in the blob gets, the more important it is. "centerX(weighted)" is the X coordinate of the centre of gravity, "size(weighted)" is he total 'weight' of the blob, the 'unweighted' elements, are mere 2D geometric properties, "minY" is the minimum Y coordinate of the blob, and "area" is a (normalized) count of all pixels covered by a blob. > I know [pix_multiblob] makes a matrix to get the results, but I > don't know how does that work neither. a matrix is a 2D array of N*M elements to store numbers. N is the number of rows in the array, in our case the number of detected blobs. M is the number of columns in the array, in our case 8 (centerX(weighted)...area) the iemmatrix library deals with these arrays (if you don't want to parse the simple message yourself) fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6AJ7QACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQtYQCfeoFHcxTdI0796kk0XrG6NxB/ 8eEAoNlqXH9vGlJJ8m5AeC4CKB+Jclmb =ti55 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for "nudge", "done editing"
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-26 07:59, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > > The three clauses of the BSD license used by Pd Vanilla are compatible with > both > the GPL v2 & v3 > but not the other way round. so if you want your patches to be included into Pd proper, then they must (legally) be BSD3. any patch for puredata posted to the patch tracker, is silently assumed to be BSD3 my miller (see the list archives for his quote) unless explicitely stated otherwise. asdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6AKWYACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSuYwCeLINkVFyNQJcOOlx0ZTLyUomE 5EUAmgI48IMGMQqWc1YLUDzl5aBn4bVp =ZF9H -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pidip pdp_vloopback error
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-26 14:34, Ricardo Brazileiro wrote: > hello, > > i think i have problems in pidip library after compile pd-extended in > ubuntu-11.04 64bits. > > PDP: pure data packet version 0.12.6 > /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pidip/pidip.pd_linux: > /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pidip/pidip.pd_linux: undefined symbol: > pdp_vloopback_setup > pidip: can't load library > modern kernels don't have v4l(1) any more, hence pidip has been compiled without pdp_vloopback, but somebody forgot to remove the call to its _setup function. just a wild guess though. fgm,asdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6AeIgACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTEqwCg+Bi9Ba0Lk8h0y4usJTqZ2aJX JC8AoKeiP7bOWZHq26KY/V7/zCQN1myA =HKCO -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Problem w/ Gem 0.93.1 on Windows 7
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-27 16:20, Epic Jefferson wrote: > so, if i get it from the vanilla package, should i just drop it in the Gem > folder, in pd-ext? > drop it into the pdext/bin/ folder fgamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6B6/UACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRYLACfTxj18116CMZP/DWPfSLoGqfy R/kAn188x6UPy5zRnzX1IbxdRtxQRjxc =bozc -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gemlist_info of iterated geo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-10-03 17:30, ronni montoya wrote: > Hello, im using gemlist_info for getting the positions of my geos. I > need to get the positions of a group of iterated geos, for example: > > repeat 19 > translateXYZ -4 0 0 > sphere 4 > > > but i use gemlist_info with a group of iterated geos i get the > position of my last repeated element. no, you get the position of the "current" element. if you watch the output of [gemlist_info] closely, you will notice that you get 19 datasets per render-cycle, one for each iteration. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6J4gsACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRt1ACgrpp5kHkBtv8WwpYdECJhpYZz Q4YAn0+MqV3nsQPKfyJ9jzJPKHvAfDSm =z7GQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] ALSA routing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-10-04 08:25, Brian Neltner wrote: > > The behavior I *want* is that whenever amarok is playing music, the > music is piped into the ADC on puredata to my analysis patch, but that > otherwise no user intervention with the background patch is necessary. there are a number of autoconnecting tools, like "patchbays" in qjackctl, jack.plumbing and the like, that will most likely do what you want. ghmasdf IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6K51gACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTkswCg86gw6ZN70javToxTUQURcfKd CesAn2n7xDhW4mECRRpMsk7EXMI4KGVD =bYQ4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd portable?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-10-05 11:38, hghoyer wrote: > Hi, > > i?m searching for a portable Pure Data... Is there a possibillitii to > use pd-extendet as a portable Windows application? > i guess, with "portable" you mean "put on a USB-stick and it runs on any w32 machine" and not "portable to FreeBSD, BeOS and CPM". in this sense, Pd-vanilla is portable out of the box. download the zip file, unzip it onto your USB-stick and move. i guess that Pd-extended would be portable as well, if there wasn't an installer :-) you might have luck by downloading the Pd-extended, run it on your machine and let it unpack into %ProgramFiles%\Pd-extended and then copy the entire contents of this folder (%ProgramFiles%\Pd-extended) to your floppy disk. the binary is called "pd.exe" and lives in /bin/ fhmadr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6MLV4ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTIjQCgpsaktkxymbQKYAaS/AC7Uvpl 7KwAn3CGcQ/aTFXYKYGbveFgA4jWoF7N =E3L1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd with syphon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-10-10 17:32, vade wrote: > Hi IOhannes hi, i actually don't have any time this week (aah...time!), so i can only give you some short comments :-) > > Fortunately, Syphon does not leverage QTKit (Quicktime = rather evil, and > QTKit is a strange beast), it leverages IOSurface (and, IOSurface + IOHannes > makes a rather nice pair, no?) indeed they do :-) > > I have taken a look at the GEM sources last night (from > https://pd-gem.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pd-gem ) and have begun some very > rudimentary work on a syphon.pd_darwin object. Gem has moved to git: git://pd-gem.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pd-gem/Gem (read-only) > > Is there a mailing list or resource I could leverage to ask specific GEM / > XCode development questions, or is this list appropriate? I have some GEM > internals (the state manager, inlet types and how active texture unit / > binding works in an object, what GEM base class seems most appropriate, etc) > questions, as well as more basic PD external questions. > there is http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/gem-dev > That said, im happy to get some basics working and have the community step up > :) cool. i'd be happy to include it in Gem proper (due to the external dependency on SyphonSDK it would probably go into Gem/extra/, but this is an organisational detail) fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6TIB0ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSL2gCgu2szLCKrO0Oyeg7y3JZ5is+2 8dgAn39C7FCeUz28j7ledHxyKX4Qrc1G =WenV -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd with syphon WORKS!
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>> Am 14.10.2011 um 11:35 schrieb Py Fave:
>>
>>> hi list
>>>
>>> 1. what would be the equivalent in linux let's say ubuntu ? it's a
frame server implementation?
>>> any way to redirect gem output ?
the linux "equivalent" that is currently part of Gem is a V4L/V4L2
output module, by use of a loopback kernel driver ("vloopback" for v4l
support, v4l2loopback for v4l2 support).
this allows you to "send" pix-data to virtually any application that is
ablt to read v4l/v4l2 devices (it's only "virtually", since some
applications make weird assumptions about the video-device...e.g they
will abort if no tuner is present)
the good thing is, that the receiver side need not care whether the data
is coming from a webcam, a high end grabber card or an application.
(e.g. you don't need "syphon" support on the client)
On 2011-10-14 19:01, vade wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, those solutions read back to main memory, which is slow, and
> adds a lot of latency and processor overhead.
it depends on your actual problem, whether this is an issue or not.
e.g. if you want to do image analysis on the client side of a "raw"
image from the server, then you might be better of without taking the
detour via the gfx card.
if however, you want to do something with (say) Gem's "output" (which by
it's very nature is already 'on' the gfx card), then a main memory
based video-piping mechanism might add significant overhead.
madsr
IOhannes
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Re: [PD] That Old No Sound Problem...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-10-17 23:26, forrest curo wrote: > So please, somebody-- What's up with this? And what to do about it? (!) how about giving us some clues about the system you use? like operating system, jack version, pd version? fgamsdfr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6dI0gACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTLZQCgyiMylaZyEK9aTAv7dg5W2GC4 ITYAn0TLtkprl/0/QXVehey8aTh6BDFw =r05v -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] That Old No Sound Problem...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-10-19 06:56, forrest curo wrote: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:57 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 2011-10-17 23:26, forrest curo wrote: >>> So please, somebody-- What's up with this? And what to do about it? >> (!) >> >> how about giving us some clues about the system you use? >> like operating system, jack version, pd version? >> > > Pd version 0.42-6 with i figure this is pd-vanilla (afaik, there is no 0.42-6 for Pd-extended); in debian there is also a 0.43 version of Pd available, which has a number of improvements regarding jack support (don't know about mint though) > "JACK Audio Connection Kit - Qt GUI Interface > Version: 0.3.6" wow, that's old. my jack is 1.9.7 (which is actually jack2; the jack1 i could install on my system is 0.121.0) > [and yes, it is in fact running. Works just fine with ChucK.] well, so let's get to the real problem. your error log seems to indicate, that jack is not running when you start Pd. please make sure that jack does run, before you start Pd. make sure that you don't have any "opposing" settings (e.g. use "-noprefs" when starting Pd) make sure to tell Pd how many channels to allocate for Pd (e.g. use "-jack -channels 8" when starting Pd) this works fine on my debian/sid machine. ghsmdf IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6egBkACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTWaQCdFFUHp8C2ZeSRoBH4ruJZYWFJ WSQAnik8i5vKq3k5vXEygt9T+zAfpBuY =u+qr -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (focus) out of gemwin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-10-19 19:16, stéfan piat wrote: > or maybe is there another object working on windows (and gem) to collect the > mousewheel data? > [gemmouse]? fmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6fGsIACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSEYQCgmXUizvwKBOxzXGRUQsKwJpk1 RggAn0nym2K91EG70AA5NGqcrL42Q71O =jmFy -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata.info proxy error
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-10-19 19:17, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > It seems that the proxy error is back, here's what I get when accessing > puredata.info: > > http://puredata.info/ > > Proxy Error this was a side effect of a maintainance downtime of one of our LDAP servers. the LDAP server is up again, puredata.info is working again. (this remind me that i should do a fallback ldap server) fgamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6fHOcACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTUdgCg6yBrw8IH1X8HIKJnIwksTnxS VeMAoMPlSl+T7uaM4s6XVOpctfWqe28k =wWO9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Array Size limits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-10-24 16:24, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > > -maxsize between 4GB and 6GB will pretend that the size is 4GB less than > what you specified. [...] > -maxsize between 4GB and 6GB will pretend that the size is 8GB less than > what you specified. > hein? fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6lixEACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvR6kgCggev17+6lsdhVP7kRNvE2vunN g4AAoPDYsw4YW1qp2K+f/oai+bSJQ2Vv =OlVV -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] error compiling plugins on Windows 7 64-bit WAS: GEM 0.93.1 crashing on Windows 7 64-bit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-10-31 02:01, Joe Newlin wrote: > Hi, > > When I try to compile imageJPEG and imageQT using the MINGW compiler I get > an error: undefined reference to 'WinMain@16'. > > Am I missing something? > 3 things: #1 Gem is C++, as well as it's plugins. because of name mangling, you cannot mix C++ binaries compiled with one compiler with binaries compiled with another compiler. e.g. if Gem was compiled with M$VC (which it was if you are using the binary provided by me), you will not be able to use plugins compiled with MinGW #2 the "installers" (both the zip-file and the installer executable) provided by me should include imageQT, imageJPEG, imageTIFF, imageSGI (and the notorious imageMAGICK); the installer.exe has the imageMAGICK plugin chosen, and the other plugins de-selected (i think), but you can simply select the plugins you want. the zip-file contains all plugins (including the faulty imageMAGICK) #3 finally, the problem you reported here is a bit different, a it seems it fails to link the plugin alltogether (regardless of whether you will be able to use it with the Gem.dll, as explained in #1); in order to fix this (which might be interesting on the road to make Gem compilable on MinGW alltogether), i would need a bit more information (e.g. configure flags, configure output, build log) if you are interested, you could try to join the gem-dev [1] mailinglist fgamsdr IOhannes [1] http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/gem-dev -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6uZpoACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSpsACfXUHp2OUjcVzftIF4B82x2ukb D5YAoPXXMF4XsB1ao5uucB3hcKiKMDxJ =iqIj -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PDGST - no pix_gst2pix ... and hello
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-10-31 00:37, x.garnier wrote: > Hello you all, > pix_gst2pix.cpp:148: error: ?class GemState? has no member named ?set? > pix_gst2pix.cpp:148: error: ?_PIX? is not a member of ?GemState? it seems like you are trying to compile pdgst with an older version (<0.93) of Gem. it also seems like pdgst currently only builds with Gem>=0.93 i hope i find time to make pdgst backward compatible. mfgadfr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6uZ/0ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRV8wCgz0VCLPZcafPVBAFh9pF3DerN GLoAnRQCqG57+Teh+Mv2HVfbV7mRt891 =LdgG -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM 0.93.1 crashing on Windows 7 64-bit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-10-30 22:20, Pierre-Olivier Boulant wrote: > Thanks for the clarification. > > Just one more question, is there an order in which the different > plug-ins susceptible to open a file? > I mean with the gem_imageQT.dll but no quicktime installed in the system > and even if gem_imageJPEG.dll is present, JPGs won't open... please report this as a bug. the idea is of course, that if one plugin fails, the next one is tried. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6uaHUACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSw1ACeLyNa4/C5QR8gfPlY9sG6hHl6 GtwAoPS4C0MkUDTy0tZXdjeD8TlsgD0p =Szqa -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM 0.93.1 crashing on Windows 7 64-bit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-10-30 23:35, Joe Newlin wrote: > "you might want to install the imageTIFF, imageJPEG, imageSGI and/or > imageQT plugins, depending on which filse you want to read." > > Thanks! I'm now going to try to figure out what you mean by that - i.e. > where these plugins are located and how to install them, but if anyone > cares to explain that here it would be greatly appreciated. if you use the installer executable from Gem, you will presented with a dialog (during installation; it's the 3rd page) that lets you choose which components you want to install. if you navigate to "plugins->image", you will have the option to choose from - - ImageMagick images - - QuickTime images - - SGI images - - JPEG images - - TIFF images de-select "ImageMagick", and select the plugins you want. traditionally, Gem came with the SGI, JPEG and TIFF loaders, so i you want the same image loading capabilities like in the old days, only select those 3 plugins. the ImageMagick plugin obviously makes problems on w7 (i only tested on XP), for the QuickTime plugin you need QuickTime installed (else you will unfortunately get side-effects) fadrm IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6uadgACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQ4IQCePRMJdLAjS9pgoJki/sHhuFZr w1wAn3X87g//PD5XNZFosTdFQ2TefkkX =JjLk -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM 0.93.1 crashing on Windows 7 64-bit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-10-31 12:45, Pierre-Olivier Boulant wrote: > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=3431149&group_id=55736 thanks. could you please (re)post this bug-report to the Gem bug-tracker [1]. i know it's a bit annoying, but it makes things easier to handle for me :-) unfortunately i don't know of any possibility, to move tickets between projects... fgamsdr IOhannes http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=64325&atid=507079 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6ulmgACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQ8PgCg05U0ydR53M4hBHt28MfkSHIL IZQAn1hrXV/rLKJI/WpXRzIjX1+u6Zog =Skal -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is discontinued?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-02 15:24, katja wrote: > Hello, > > It happens to be the case that mouse-event capturing as done by > [toxy/tot] is crucial to my Pd performance setups. iemguts' [receivecanvas] might help you. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6xWKcACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTzYACgqzsf+uuqQs6wr/xky4D6xeu8 w/gAnR0eH1PWNH5yvIbYj8mwklzuqck5 =98SB -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is discontinued?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-02 18:45, katja wrote: > Wow, so many answers in so short time. Thank you all. > > To clarify, the moving squares in the video are sliders and / or > radiobuttons, and they are moved in runtime. Attached is a patch > demonstrating the idea, using [toxy/tot]. > > As it seems, [iemguts/receivecanvas] could do this job indeed. It > captures cursor position relative to the object's containing window, > or relative to a parent if so desired. Phew, this will save my > projects! I never knew about the existence of [iemguts/receivecanvas]. > It has no helpfile. I'd be happy to make one though. Hopefully the iem > libs will stay a bit longer than toxy, though they're now categorized > as 'unsupported, included libraries'. it has; at least in the svn [1], there is a "help/" holder with a helpfile. fgmasdr IOhannes [1] https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/externals/iem/iemguts -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6xg+8ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQ4TwCfXlpxiKzdgcyeUzYT5XMGHAfe eO8AnR4jzPCz7UcRAFU6MJRyJx8LhskQ =JZGb -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] symbol2list leading zero
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-02 18:06, rolf meesters wrote: > hi, > > i'm using > > [symbol2list -] > | > |[symbol( > || > | > [list2symbol] > > on something like 00-ab-87-02. > the result becomes 0ab872. > so, i'm losing the leading zero's. > > in other words the symbol '00' is handled like a number, > probably any symbol that looks like a number is immediately treated like > that. > which, in the case above is unexpected (at least for me). the idea is, that [symbol2list] breaks a symbol into a list of _atoms_, which are then evaluated the same way as ordinary lists (though i'm not sure whether it is implemented that way...) e.g. is you create a message [list 00 ab 87 02( the 1st and last element of the list will evaluate to numbers (and thus "lose" their leading zeros). does this come unexpected to you? however, it might be worth considering a "symbol only" mode of the object, that will never try to convert a token into a number but always keep it a symbol. > would it then be necessary, working with texts, always to check if one's > not accidentally losing zero's? btw, you are not "losing" any zeros. whether your pay cheque says "100,-€" or "100,-€" does not make any difference, when it comes to buying your marmite. those numbers are exactly the same. if you need "00-ab" to split into two 2-character strings "00" and "ab" and want to use [symbol2list], you could simply convert all the numbers you got to 2-char strings by using [makefilename %02d] mfgasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6yTuUACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvT0+gCg497mHIcEDjGpsxVMpf9RvSLe O8QAn3a0g1mcH/CC054qXyQrNdhYYgB8 =bjB6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] using PD/GEM to generate timecode overlay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-03 03:14, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > You need to generate a symbol, then Pd won't strip the zeros off. You can do > that with: > > [makefilename %02d] > though for SSS you would need [makefilename %03d] > That will give you just hh. You could do one of those per hh mm ss SSS, then > combine them into a list and feed it thru [zexy/list2symbol :] i have to admit that for short fixed size list-to-symbol functionality i would use the super cow powers of the msgbox: [symbol $1:$2:$3.$4( will give you "hh:mm:ss.SSS" fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6yT6kACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQa1wCfTh6QKUKwxb6jlwmdYyLe8JBk TDkAoM016VTkDgkyfAaX/TnnbhQpxX4w =E9Fm -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] using PD/GEM to generate timecode overlay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-03 15:32, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >> >> [symbol $1:$2:$3.$4( >> will give you "hh:mm:ss.SSS" > > Except where $1 is 01, for example, it'll give you > > 1:34:45.345 no. my suggestion was to use the msgbox instead of [list2symbol :], not for the entire formatting. you still need to use [makefilename] if you use [list2symbol :] without first formatting the numbers using [makefilename], you will get "1:34:45.345" as well. fgamr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6yp8YACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSsXACcDShAaDsERjtRcKfGrJK4Vzo1 6Y4AoJ/nxj/x/Rtn1GPMkz2GiDnHjaUr =3/yC -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] using PD/GEM to generate timecode overlay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-03 15:37, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > Le 2011-11-02 à 22:14:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : > > [text2d] could be modified to also accept lists of ascii codes. In that alas, it cannot, as it already has this functionality. the [text*] family accepts lists of unicode points (which is compatible with ascii), it's in the "string" method. fgamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6yqHQACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTZ1ACg7660PLrOjQBajQbI0gH0sfeU zVwAnidrk2g04bHqpIf2cSNvyt3SLpHu =tS1W -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] using PD/GEM to generate timecode overlay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-03 15:59, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > Le 2011-11-03 à 15:43:00, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit : > >> On 2011-11-03 15:37, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: >>> Le 2011-11-02 à 22:14:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : >>> [text2d] could be modified to also accept lists of ascii codes. In that >> alas, it cannot, as it already has this functionality. > > :) > >> the [text*] family accepts lists of unicode points (which is compatible >> with ascii), it's in the "string" method. > > great. > > Now the only problem left is that [#sprintf] outputs lists-of-utf8-bytes > instead of lists-of-utf8-points. I think that this is something that has at the pdcon09 in sao paolo, hans, maira and me created a little abstraction that decodes utf8-bytes to unicode-points. it can be found in [1] mfgasdr IOhannes [1] https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/externals/iem/unicode -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6yrxIACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRPuwCg+K8gnHr3qDX2CgIk5/hkGFaM k8QAn1GuOZShXBCGPQL0nSSk61ZmuS7f =+HxJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] path dialog plus sign prefix
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-07 05:27, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > Hi, > If I go to Media->Preferences->Path and open the dialog, then just click > Ok, Pd re-registers the search paths with a plus sign prefixed to them-- thus > something like /home/foolib becomes +/home/foolib. > > Is this a feature or a bug? might be a bug. in order to be able to fix (or even reproduce) it, it would be great if you could provide your OS and Pd-flavour as well as -version? fgamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk63xjkACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSzpgCeOnL3sr/CaodexcO+k+diKpff rf4An2oJO+/qwpwlEzlwIgrc1dt6Og7H =pOY4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OT: PS3 eyecam on osx lion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-06 17:02, Jean-Marie Adrien wrote: > wait for GEM 93 on os X :) ? in the meantime i understand that the ps3eye doesn't work at all for osx-lion, regardless of whether you are using Gem, iMovie or finalcutpro2k. i have no clue how to fix it though. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk63xrIACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTlIACgptIrLmSC4yZs+Ccewc+KBygC kiwAoJQ+OxxYnX/jYyANP1dJCw8eqeIQ =1Mbj -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] symbol2list leading zero
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-06 16:56, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > > Then there is a search result pointing to something written by zmoelnig > in mi-2007, but clicking on it redirects to the generic page for all > software (??). That's a problem with the search-tool, not with the content. > could you point to the relevant page (that links to the broken result)? fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk63xxAACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRJSQCdGPOQ/xB6//a0smqiNZTjRDsx MMEAnjblDK9Yi2WN8qIziV++8pkx3o7i =JvmX -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.43-1 test 5 released
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-07 13:00, João Pais wrote: > where is it possible to look at the changelog? not very practical (and only ordered by date), but: http://pure-data.git.sf.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=pure-data/pure-data;a=log fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk63zggACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRTuACfVM2mC6ZdiS0XtpWBJOBsrgx4 xgkAnirZlWg2K7AV+ijqgGjgj28WVByh =9NV7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] path dialog plus sign prefix
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-07 14:59, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > might be a bug. > > in order to be able to fix (or even reproduce) it, it would be great if > you could provide your OS and Pd-flavour as well as -version? > >> Oops, forgot about that. Pd vanilla 0.43, Debian Wheezy on amd 64-bit. elf compiled or the debian package (for the latter i cannot reproduce on 32bit, i'll check later on 64bit) fgmnasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk639kUACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvS3wQCgtLp/dN4P7gDT+TpdLNvlHKak yb4An2ge+wxhBuRUNRSg0WQymBw6x2wX =jfU/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Natty SPDIF samplerate 44.1k / 48k problem (OSS)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-10 13:10, Ingo wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I need some help about sample rate settings. > > I would like to use my SPDIF Out with Pd. Unfortunately it looks like either > the soundcard or the audio system (OSS) starts up with 48,000 Hz while Pd is > set to use 44,100 Hz (that's necessary because of the samples being at > 44.1k). i was going to say: you can change the samplerate of Pd to 48kHz using the Media->Audio menu. it will magically shorten each sample from (1/44.1)ms to (1/48)ms, so you don't need to worry about that. but then, maybe you meant your soundfiles? fgamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk677vgACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTm8wCdEhwpG+04NEttfTb2+SPN9Cmg MB0AoIUPlTey1lb5lJ5ji0f4o3fz74e6 =2RQo -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] gem 0.93.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 i'd like to announce a pre-release of Gem-0.93.2 this is the 2nd bugfix release in the 0.93 series. like always we have fixed numerous bugs and features, and most likely introduced an equal number of wishlists and showstoppers. noteable differences since 0.93.1: availability: - - this is the first 0.93 release, that provides binaries for OSX. the downloadable archive contains fat binaries for both ppc and i386 which should run on any OSX since 10.4 functionality: - - fixed a crashe on 64bit architectures related to SIMD-detection code - - fixed other crashes on 64bit architecture of some pix-effects (Pete's Plugins) - - pix_texture now handles repeat/quality of external textures - - failing plugins no longer keep other (working) plugins from functioning - - improved filmGMERLIN framecount behaviour - - made recordQT work again documentation: - - a number of typos and inconsistencies in the help patches drawbacks: w32: the current w32 build has been compiled as "0.92.3" rather than "0.92.2"; i'll hopefully be able to compile a corrected version tonight and upload it then OSX: it seems that Pd-0.43 quits as soon as Gem is loaded. this only happens if you start Pd by double-clicking the application; it does not happen if you start Pd via the cmdline. older versions of Pd (0.42 and prior) are not effected. both Pd-vanilla and Pd-extended are effected. if you want to use Pd-0.43, the suggested workaround is to start Pd/Gem from the cmdline (ouch!) if any help is welcome get happy! fgmadr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk68BccACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSQMACdEJq3zwsokf12fEN0gPHgckNo c7oAoNeE/hf7hM/we8ulvL2j3gKmYLzl =hVs9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] symbol2list leading zero
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-10 17:33, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > Le 2011-11-07 à 12:54:00, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit : >> On 2011-11-06 16:56, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: >>> Then there is a search result pointing to something written by zmoelnig >>> in mi-2007, but clicking on it redirects to the generic page for all >>> software (??). That's a problem with the search-tool, not with the >>> content. >> could you point to the relevant page (that links to the broken result)? > > 3rd result of http://puredata.info/search?SearchableText=gridflow > > « GridFlow [92%] by zmoelnig, 2007-05-06 09:22 PM > A Multidimensional dataflow processing library for PureData/Ruby/jMax, > designed for interactive multimedia » > thanks. fixed. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk68CvYACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTsZACgoK9uJVFf6ITOiWPXFZ/F0kUl xOUAoIbOJ5QoU2KRrtYnZleJ4667CCe+ =CJTe -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] /downloads rewrite rule WAS: symbol2list leading zero
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-11 17:10, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > I'm happy to write the rule if you send me the existing one. > thanks for the offer. it should be fixed now. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7A5REACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSqBQCcCRIMDxRAjX22tNkXPNh+HUUK +KUAoLOFYxkuR0hYYI9TJtN2zG82nvou =O43L -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata.info - no download link?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-14 09:18, Richie Cyngler wrote: > I just noticed this too and was meaning to comment. funnily enough i noticed it too a couple of minutes ago, but had more important things to do than to wonder what this was about (like making a living) i now investigated, and it turned out to be a side-effect of disabling outdated search-results of gridflow (see some mails on the "list2symbol" thread by matju and me) it should be back to normal. > It's buried deep in > community>>>software>>>etc. But yeah, there should be a link on the front > page right? you could also just use /downloads/ which will redirect you to the proper site. or http://get.puredata.info/ or http://download.puredata.info/ the last are simple to remember :-) fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7A5PQACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRaxgCg9GyhMRvXmkV7B/gP+CN8RbVc 0GoAoO9JnkuCjQP+rOI0l3gFdGWQMlNb =/T6V -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] gem 0.93.1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-15 03:48, Richie Cyngler wrote: > Thanks Hans, > > Done. The console still shows Gem 0.92.3. But I don't know how to test > which one is actually running when I use Gem objects. I'm assuming it's > still the old one. if it shows "0.92.3" than it most likely is 0.92.3 elaborated guess: Gem does a bit of path magic to be able to access its own abstractions. this means that it adds it's own path to the list of search paths of Pd. if you then manually edit your search paths and save, you will end up with a hardcoded path to the currently installed version of Gem. if you now install a new Gem into a different location, you still have the old search path stored in your preferences, and Pd is likely to look there first, thus finding and loading the old Gem! short fix: open your "Path"-preferences and delete all references to the Gem-paths. save. restart Pd fgmafsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7CIIMACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQvXgCgkSmw55dNYy1j2avk91IaWQvA MnQAnit8fYnaOmgrh+aXERcOtgRcu+y3 =7S14 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_coordinate confusion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-15 09:07, Joe Newlin wrote: > The pix_coordinate help file says that "pix_coordinate remaps the S, T > texture values ..." > > What do S and T refer to? > to texture coordinates. S, T, U and V are the standard names for texture coordinates in the literature, just like X, Y & Z are standard names for 3d coordinates and R, G & B are standard names for colors. the reason why the help-file doesn't mention much more, is that it would become impossible big. i think a basic understanding from what [pix_coordinate] does can be guessed when playing a bit with the help-patch and feeding it with your own values. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7CItUACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSDjwCgt8O+Qvpc2okMAQzRS2rc e8kAnRrli2mKK4D3ap6wBUxnjfGNCwXP =4Pj3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] gem 0.93.1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-15 02:37, Richie Cyngler wrote: > Sorry for the "newbie" question but how do I update the Gem version on my > Pd-extended? I know for an external I don't have I just put the external > into my Macintosh HD/Library/Pd folder. But what do I do with this new Gem? > I can't replace it in the /Library/Pd because it isn't there. > > Probably something simple I've missed? btw, isn't there a README_1st.txt in the released archive, that gives you instructions on how to install Gem on OSX? fmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7CJBYACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSZmgCg0+pti7K19FJc285aDZFXuzou y6EAoPIyFTbxJoPE8atkkiIE2aRD6ZN8 =huho -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM / video plugins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-14 23:07, Jean-Marie Adrien wrote: > Hi list > Ive just switched to GEM 93-3 on Mac, (needed surface3d that works great > !) and Im not so familiar with the new implementation incidence : > > I used a driver (a component) that was in the Library/Quicktime folder > to get videos through the DFG1394 analog/digital converter, (similar to > the macam driver). All these drivers work fine on GEM 92, Os 10.5, 10.6, > OS 10.7 It seems it doesn't work anymore with GEM 93 (Os 10.6). > Any infos ? darn. the actual code has not changed so much, but now it is factored out into separate files. so in theory everything should still be working. one major improvement is, that we now have a consistent interface between all platforms (w32, linux, osx), that allows for enumerating and setting of devices and device properties in a unified way. i suggest playing a bit with the pix_video-help patch, with a focus on the [enumerate( and [device( messages. what do you get? tyr running Pd with "-verbose -verbose", preferably from the cmdline, and post the full output of both the Pd-console and the console. [1] masdr IOhannes [1] something like $ /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -verbose -verbose (without the trailing $, which is just there ti indicate the cmd prompt of the terminal) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7CJzIACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSD/gCgy+GkV0FuEon8/Y9RBZN9w3XS kKUAoOvl4m5/Q19+diQqsQpEQgDWj3gl =F0ZI -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] strange behaviour with pix_flip on OSX
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-15 17:24, olsen wrote: > Hello > > I have a few people here working with Gem in Pd-Extended 0.42.5 on OSX. > Using the pix_flip object together with the [horizontal( message > pix_video unfortunately starts flickering between the original image and > the 'flipped' image. > Is this a known bug? If so anyone has a temporary solution/workaround? > add a [pix_separator] right after [pix_video]. mfasr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7ClKwACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvT0xgCgzMxYTb6AfKgWUCeuCHPVJuDz ZgcAoPDo+wmE4NLmyibvevx6p1Ik+cH6 =0okO -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] get console messages within patch
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On 2011-11-17 02:25, Vincent Kaschner wrote:
> As a beginner in Pd, I'm also wondering what that means...
>
>
>
>> Hey IOhannes,
>>
>> thank you, but could you please explain it a bit more in detail? I am not
>> a complete newbie, but not so much into the pd-list speak. I searched in
>> the list for the question, but there was no comprehensible solution shown...
>> It's on pd extended 0.42.5 on Win XP.
sorry for talking gibberish.
i don't know much about Pd-extended and little about w32.
i'll give it a try though:
$ pd -stderr 2>&1 | pdsend localhost udp
this basically means:
- - take the output of Pd, and send it (using pdsend) to port of the
local machine.
the 2nd part of the line ("pdsend localhost udp") should be fairly
obvious: it calls the pdsend program (on w32 it is called pdsend.exe and
you might have to find out where it is - somewhere in the Pd\bin\ folder
is a good guess), with some parameters, that specify the target port
(), the target host (localhost, the machine the program is executed
on) and the protocol (udp).
the 1st part is a bit more complicated, i'll come to it later. it
basically grabs all messages printed by Pd.
the fun part is in the middle, "|" (aka 'pipe') takes the "output" of
one program (in this case Pd) and uses it as "input" to another program
(here: pdsend)
the slightly unorthodox part is the 1st one:
we have to make Pd produce it's output in a form that is usable as input
for pdsend. this basically means that instead of sending the printout to
the pd-console, we have to redirect it to a special output, that is
called "stdout" (pdsend will read from "stdin", and the pipe ("|") will
magically transform the stdout of the 1st program to the stdin of the
2nd; see [1] for more information)
Pd usually send s it output to the Pd-console.
however, you can start it with a special cmdline flag, that will all
messages to a special output, the "stderr" (see [1] again).
if you start Pd from the console (the cmdline; on w32 this would be e.g.
the "cmd" program), all messages sent to the stderr will show up on the
console (note, that on w32 you will have to start pd.com rather than
pd.exe, because else windows will prevent the stderr to be printed to
the console).
this is almost what we want (we are sending Pd's printout to some
standard stream!), but we are not there yet (Pd sends to "stderr",
whereas we want it to send to "stdout")
luckily enough, many cmdline interpreters have a special syntax for
redirecting stdstreams. on bash (a common cmdline interpreter on un*x)
and afaik on w32, you can do redirect the stderr of a program to the
stdout using "2>&1" (stderr has a numeric file descriptor 2; stdout has
a numeric file descriptor 1; so this redirection means: take
filedescriptor 2 (stderr) and send it to filedescriptor 1 (stdout))
so the line i gave means:
"pd" - start Pd,
"-stderr"- but send all printout to stderr rather than the pdconsole
"2>&1" - then redirect the stderr to stdout,
"|" - pipe the stdout to the stdin
"pdsend ..." - of pdsend, which will send the data (back to Pd)
hope that helps.
fgamrt
IOhannes
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_streams
>>
>> best
>> mirro
>>
>>> Hi list,
>>>
>>> I wonder if there is a possibility to receive console messages within a
>> patch. Could be helpful, for instance, when there is a certain error that
>> should immediately trigger a reaction.
>>> Thanks for advice.
>>
>> i guess there are some answers for that in the archives.
>>
>> the simplest is probably still
>> $ pd -stderr 2>&1 | pdsend localhost udp
>>
>> and then have
>> [netreceive 1]
>> listen for your output.
>>
>> fgmasdr
>> IOhannes
>> --
>
>
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Re: [PD] "get" method for Pd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-17 02:43, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > I made a patch awhile back that added a "get" method to pd: > > [; pd get version rcv-name( sends "version $major $minor $bugfix" to rcv-name [...] > wouldn't it be easier to use a syntax like [get ( ? rather than [get ( i think sending the rcvname first will make the syntax more easily extendible. e.g. it would allow for [tryset ( and the like. madf IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7ExsQACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRm7gCcCY+tuCG95nwLHoOw7nm46zdl gEEAoI57wflBh6egv1Vh5WlQ3PVC3VGV =wHPp -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] get console messages within patch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-17 09:53, tim vets wrote: > > How do I get past "send: Connection refused (111)"? > by re-reading my original email and adding a receiver ([netreceive]) within Pd, that listens on the port (and protocol) you specified with pdsend. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7E0TIACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSJ1wCgqSmpUnOq3V4jR0gy5fCqqQu2 lqkAoKgolgucGcrqx2xkKKtLBwGIL4jR =IFe5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] "get" method for Pd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-17 14:53, Patrice Colet wrote: > Hello, > would this method provide patch window size and position? > > [; pd get size pd-mpatch.pd rcv_name( > [; pd get pos pd-mpatch.pd rcv_name( now we are getting close to why i think using "get ..." is better than "get " fgamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7FFZoACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTOHACdHAv1vJ6oFWZ8tH/24CmFifgw L8IAn1cWwbKAr/z/4SCnRH2om1hQlI/Y =oZ03 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] "get" method for Pd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-17 15:09, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > On 2011-11-17 14:53, Patrice Colet wrote: >> Hello, >> would this method provide patch window size and position? > >> [; pd get size pd-mpatch.pd rcv_name( >> [; pd get pos pd-mpatch.pd rcv_name( > > now we are getting close to why i think using "get ..." is > better than "get " but of course jonathan and roman are right when they say that this is not something you would ask "pd" about. fgamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7FFjgACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRjGACeKhVGEDtrXIhGi3tZlmLBpVYx nkwAn1JsM8C6tVj95ZTHCAAhbz0d7A1z =XrRZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] "get" method for Pd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-17 15:07, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > I think that belongs in the canvas get method: > > [; pd-mpatch.pd get etc.( > what would that return if you have multiple instances of the mpatch abstraction? fgmadr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7FFloACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSEIgCg3BLPyZ5GRgOOhowZSFL9fmwA nF4AnAxpNcUgl/NcUc6YVdpLHMWPLree =2aOa -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] "get" method for Pd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-17 13:14, katja wrote: > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > >> Are there Pd attributes other than version and dsp status that would be nice >> to make "gettable"? > > Very useful! I could think of these, to start with: > > [; pd get tcl-version rcv-name( sends "tcl-version $" to rcv-name which tcl-version is reported for "pd -nogui"? or rather, how are non-existing attributes reported? simply by not sending anything to the ? fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7FFwYACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRALQCaAr2Ip+QmxMjww82a9kCN2++y wTgAnRLHYs8RTGY/rpmUvylFsiav33RN =JfxQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [GEM] in os x 10.7?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-20 22:26, m.e.grimm wrote: > hey jaime, > > i did a quick compile the other day and just ended up with binaries > that got the "wrong architecture" warning in 43.1 extended > > that's all I've done though. > > the extended autobuilds on 10.7 freeze and crash with gem for me. > > whats the deal again with gem on 10.7? wasn't there some issue to > begin with and why it would be unstable, etc? > do the binaries from http://gem.iem.at work? Gem still doesn't work in OSX/64bit, but as long as OSX10.7 has a 32bit compat layer and you have a 32bit Pd there shouldn't be a big problem. if there are 10.7 autobuilds then they are likely to either contain only x86_64 builds (which should fail to load a 32bit external like Gem) or they are fat builds including 32bit and 64bit, which will probably launch another instance (in 32bit compat mode) of Pd when loading Gem. fgamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7KDOkACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTYagCgtmwfQzOpfxbewlDzCSDpnuMf nmoAoJg+X1bBiI5mVpWm69UsODJcr+eX =D/vv -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] "get" method for Pd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-18 19:33, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > You could combine [sendcanvas] and [receivecanvas] into [thiscanvas] with an > inlet for the receive and an outlet for the send. you could even do this as an abstraction. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7KD08ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvR7/QCeK0XevUIDMeNcTS/mSSCe8fFC zegAoM3qLm+Su2HtYnFw2LIkqcndcBcH =OOvS -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] "get" method for Pd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-18 21:34, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > Yes the depth should be settable, that should be possible to add, not a lot > of work. it probably should be settable. however, i never encountered a real need for that, that's why it's not there. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7KEAkACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQCGQCgtdkYlbN8hdjHPDuSwDpTG6sb eQAAnRiB0v4p4LHjyKy1JTJiVTH02rax =gnjd -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] "get" method for Pd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-18 21:44, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: >> work. Which differentiates between list and bang? > > canvasargs I think. > has that ever created a problem for you, or is your complaint purely academic? would it help you, if there was a [set( message that would do the same thing as the current [list(? fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7KEN4ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTnxACgyQKXE2lhTaENAoztKODAqt5o TGgAn2i8bG1XY42cn9J8cwd08nkkWDJ+ =XII6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] "get" method for Pd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-18 18:49, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > But if you want dynamic naming, there's [receives] with an s, which there's also zexy's [multireceive] which does probably the same (though i agree that [receives] is a very nice name) truct. > >> I think Krzystof Chaya did something like this in his wonderful "xeq" >> object (first Pd convention, Graz.) > > I don't remember Czaja's talk in particular, but the idea must have been > in the air back then. Flext 0.4 (nov 2002) introduced Jitter-style > attributes in Pd, and I added my own kind of attributes in GridFlow in > 2005 by introducing parsing of the comma in objectboxes so that > attributes setters always counted as ordinary messages. iirc, the xeq approach was more like having multiple objects connected via a "filehandle" like thing; so you could have an object that just opens the file, and another objects that would seek within that file. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7KEicACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQOjwCgyg+ZgxHote1xAeA8JLOD1bJp VZcAmQE0vIbt5xSAj7PiVmNKsTiXyTbR =HLdf -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] "get" method for Pd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-18 19:43, Miller Puckette wrote: > I'm with Hans -- e.g., 'list' where there's a whole slew of functionalities > masquerading as a single class (and sharing a help file), but in which > you only need one object for each type of use, e.g., "list nth". while i'm all for "one objectclass per functionality", and for establishing a single idiom (at least, per "objectclass family") - and thus think i'm with hans also, i still don't see any point in "masquerading as a single class". what makes the name [list foo] any better than [listfoo]? objects with "proper" names - that don't involve "mummmers" - can still share the same help-patch (if needed). mfgasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7KPMgACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSmQQCgxxs7OYZFM7jBAz7TU0/77LUN 6dIAn1qZsIDCZb4Z2bq4bMHS3ZNa5kzC =OXtX -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] "get" method for Pd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-21 20:56, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > Le 2011-11-21 à 09:56:00, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit : >> On 2011-11-18 18:49, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: >>> But if you want dynamic naming, there's [receives] with an s, which >> >> there's also zexy's [multireceive] which does probably the same (though >> i agree that [receives] is a very nice name) > > Actually, it doesn't do the same. > > But it's harder to do, because [multireceive] doesn't have a help file true. thanks for going through the trouble to understand it. > at all, whereas [receives] has http://gridflow.ca/help/receives-help.html after having a look, i see that [receives] is not such a good name as i initially thought. gmsd IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7KsKUACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvR3EwCfRofXpJl5SeoO3r0vKhWCTQjx rCgAnjbarKFCMRhC5oqsYYuNGyuMdZuJ =ZRgC -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] "get" method for Pd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-21 21:35, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: >>> what makes the name [list foo] any better than [listfoo]? > > Yeahreallythey'rebothequallyclearespeciallyformusicianswhoaren'tprogrammers. > > Justlikereadingamusicscore--whitespacedoesn'taffectreadabilitythatmuch. i don't know. my native language allows construction of compound words, and while this seems ridiculous to many english speakers, it's not that it makes a lot of problems in real world. for unknown reasons, it seems that [text file] seems to work for lots of people. >> It's a form of namespacing. and i argue that it's a bad idea to introduce whitespace as namespace delimiter in a language that already uses whitespace as token/atom separator. i cannot remember any other complang, that uses whitespace as namespace delimiter, most likely because virtually all languages already use whitespace to separate tokens. > > Hyphens work, too, but two words against each other are less readable. i'm fine with hyphen, underscore, CamelCase. i just don't like space. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7Kve8ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRP6ACgq0ROp6mYOhJV4ufpU+2UwVG+ DLgAn3wRvqLMLqY0MbAv9AOKUa9Hydmr =COwq -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] "get" method for Pd
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On 2011-11-21 22:04, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
> Le 2011-11-21 à 21:12:00, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
>> On 2011-11-21 20:56, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
>>> at all, whereas [receives] has
>>> http://gridflow.ca/help/receives-help.html
>>
>> after having a look, i see that [receives] is not such a good name as i
>> initially thought.
>
> Hahaha !
>
> And don't care about explaining yourself, of course !
>
it wasn't meant to be offensive (in case you read it like that).
i think that [receives] is a great name for a "multiple receives" object.
however, i think that the "prefix" functionality of [receives] (which is
very present, being the 1st argument) is a bit confusing in this context.
for me, the name [receives] would be great, if you could use it without
having to the prefix (and no, i don't think that using [loadbang]->[foo
bar(" is a proper replacement, nor [recevies, foo bar])
fmgadsr
IOhannes
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Re: [PD] "get" method for Pd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-21 23:05, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > i don't know. my native language allows construction of compound words, > and while this seems ridiculous to many english speakers, it's not that > it makes a lot of problems in real world. > >> English speakers don't live in the real world? english speakers usually don't encounter these "compound words" since they (the words) are not used in their (the people's) everyday life. thus i assumed that these compound words do not impose any problems for those people (unless they are communicating with germans that keep glueing words together) german speakers have to deal with these words on a day by day basis, and for them it usually does not make a lot of problems in their real world. fmgar IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7K0bEACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQnvgCeOFPT5g9hoc+1t3/BLSEAlX8W 1xwAniHJG1ZeuKLND0VjBEMstncgSH4j =SrdD -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GridFlow slowness
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-23 01:11, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote: > But do any of these factors change when using an interpreted language or > environment as opposed to doing this "natively" (e.g. in C++)? out of interest: which interpreted language do you intend to use for image processing? fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7Mx5AACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRv2wCgyjW/Y/KvMuyvCER+B/sdWkxi 4oQAoJpAUpjWGudSvdZzpSx6B0swFKra =Gr+X -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_texture on the gpu?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-29 05:40, ronni montoya wrote: > Hello, pix_texture seems a little bit slow when i iterate a geo with > texture. I was wondering if there is a way of doing the same in the > gpu? > Should it be possible to assign a texture to a geo but using the gpu? > which is the best way? in the default use case, [pix_texture] transfers image data from main memory to GPU memory, so all subsequent actions involve GPU only. so to answer your question: pix_texture does not run on the gpu but is the bridge between cpu and gpu. that's by definition. it's hard to do anything about it. if you want to use the same texture for multiple Geos, you should put the [pix_texture] outside of the iteration, so you ensure to only once transfer the image to the GPU and then use it however often you like. you can also use a GPU-based texture generated by one [pix_texture] within another [pix_texture] by using their 2nd iolets. fgasdmr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7UlcAACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSuegCgqn3HMz3gpbGQWuJabtsQfD5E +osAmwabSv+mXiO6doevuBRqgYkG0zXl =baMZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] new object: [path] - following the example of [import]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hmm, my usual 2 remarks: On 2011-12-01 06:21, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > I just added a new object to Pd-extended: [path]. It allows you to append > directories to the canvas-local path and have them active immediately. Its > basically [declare -path] but with the [import] interface and ability to take > effect immediately. #1 do you think "path" is a good name, or will people confuse that with "getdir"? probably [searchpath] would be more meaningful. #2 how does this object relate to the quest to eliminate path settings alltogether? i thought "-path" is really only for nerds like me who feel unable to use standard paths :-) #3 could anybody tell me why [declare] does not take immediate effect? fgmasrd IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7XWt8ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQx1QCfd+qMb4aYixCVAQIFRxm2vbni 5x8An1fo+5yO+04GZhe5G526I8v3XWso =e1gx -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] new object: [path] - following the example of [import]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-01 17:34, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > >> #1 do you think "path" is a good name, or will people confuse that with >> "getdir"? probably [searchpath] would be more meaningful. > > I'm not stuck on the name 'path', but I do insist on consistency. The prefs > are called "Path...", the [declare] flag is called -path, and the command > line arg is called -path. so why is [import] not called [lib]? while i beg for consistency myself, you must not forget the context where things appear. "path" in the context of starting an application can well mean something different than in the context of creating a programme, dealing with sound files. also i would not mind renaming the "Path..." to "Search paths..." in the prefs panel (i would object in the startup flags, for compatibility reasons) > >> #3 could anybody tell me why [declare] does not take immediate effect? > > Check declare_new() in g_canvas.c this question was not a technical one. i understand the implementation and its implications pretty well. nevertheless, i find the behaviour confusing and unintuitive. to rephrase my question: #3 could anybody tell me, why [declare] is implemented in a way that it doesn't take immediate effect? fmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7XwtUACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSsggCfaPXKew2L08PVUH9MfY0JpQPz DDUAoL5v9eM3eG+m9SB/6bBc32dAMK3m =CFjY -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ not helping, any hints?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-01 19:06, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > In other words, the clocks are in sinc. So if one stops, the other waits. > > is that it??? yes, that is the purpose and strength of [pd~]. miller did a paper/presentation on that topic at the 3rd Pd~convention in Sao Paolo; in case you have missed it there'you can download the paper at [1] > > If so... no way around to change this with [pd~], right? > no, not if yuo don't want to defeat the purpose of [pd~]. > But would it be possible to review this and maybe allow it for future > versions? no, not if yuo don't want to defeat the purpose of [pd~]. > So then, how is it possible to have a separate process, in a separate core, > with an independent clock? by using a mechanism that is not synchronous. > > - Use separate computers? - Just open another actual Pd and send messages > to it via net objects? yes; the latter seems to be the most feasible in this context. fgmasdr IOhannes [1] http://puredata.info/community/projects/convention09/puckette.pdf -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7XxasACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQnOACcCZoBTRAKN0TKz/F64xakXdvH b1oAnR1sijp6mWITuwT7UhNeHN/Jccoc =/C+P -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] new object: [path] - following the example of [import]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-01 19:41, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > The prefs are called "Startup..." and the cmd line and [declare] flag is > called "-lib", so its less consistent than "path". I chose the name 'import' > because its commonly used for loading libs in a number of langauges like Java > and Python. > i'm not saying that "import" is a bad name. actually i think it is a good name. i'm only saying that "path" might be a sub-optimal name. e.g [split_path] won't split the "path" you are talking about in [path], though the consistency suggests it. otoh, your argument about the labels in the prefs are a bit void, given that they are meant to be translated. i don't see much consistency if "Pfad..." refers to the same as [path], but [path] and [split_path] are unrelated. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7X0MYACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQzaQCfU3pU9Ja/E+IKFuh3/kPyTmF1 PWkAoIXz0xoHS6ApS3fa1CvUEcvECg/w =rMFP -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] new object: [path] - following the example of [import]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-01 19:41, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >> #3 could anybody tell me, why [declare] is implemented in a way that it >> doesn't take immediate effect? > > > Its a tricky problem because if you have a patch, then you add [declare], > [path] or [import] to it it could modify how the existing part of the patch > is loaded the next time its opened since the #X declare stuff would then be > loaded first. actually i don't see much problems here. if i create a patch with a [loadbang]->[; pd quit( then the patch will behave differently during creation time (it will do nothing) and during runtime (it will quit Pd). if i want to have the effect at creation time, i can manually bang whatever is connected to [loadbang]. otoh, when i add [declare -path foo/], this is usually because i found out that a certain path is missing, and i cannot proceed with patching, until that path is added. the current situation makes it really complicated for people who had no clue what they wanted to do when they started Pd. fgamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7X0f0ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRY6ACeLhOl5/j44ucd5x9OB+5FPzik 6t0AoJTB/2gSbsarjwDoeagnSpurZDyM =jtV5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] unwanted blur with gemframebuffer and pix_buffer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-01 19:48, Marco Donnarumma wrote: > Hey all, > > If you have the time to check the patch, any help is appreciated. > Just load an image and toggle to switch between normal rendering and > [pix_buffer]ed scene. > does the attached patch make any more sense to you? fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7X0+kACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTLGwCcDUhz7HxizT9/o/rsDTHltQXO JT0AoLEGOis1MImXqvuvMKGtvBl8CIYD =kJZi -END PGP SIGNATURE- #N canvas 308 190 433 555 10; #X obj 57 147 s gemhead; #X obj 50 -8 gemhead 20; #N canvas 760 170 516 481 framebuffer 0; #X obj -181 156 separator; #X obj -208 211 t a b; #X msg -181 240 snap; #X obj -208 306 t a b; #X msg -25 396 1; #X obj 97 84 gemhead 30; #X obj 97 180 t a b; #X msg 152 181 1; #X obj 97 269 pix_texture; #X obj 97 215 pix_buffer_read \$0-framebuffer; #X obj -208 421 pix_buffer_write \$0-framebuffer; #X obj -181 181 outlet; #X obj -208 43 inlet; #X obj 97 297 translateXYZ 0 0 0; #X obj 97 415 rectangle 4 4; #X obj -121 213 pix_buffer \$0-framebuffer 2; #X msg 112 245 quality 1; #X floatatom -78 95 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj -208 109 translateXYZ 0 0 -4; #X obj 97 129 spigot; #X obj 97 378 spigot; #X obj 130 107 r \$0-switch; #X obj -208 131 t a a; #X obj 130 351 r \$0-switch; #X text -48 325 Apply effects here >>>; #X obj -208 77 gemframebuffer; #X obj -147 25 loadbang; #X msg -147 45 dimen 32 32; #X obj -207 282 pix_snap 0 0 32 32; #X connect 0 0 11 0; #X connect 1 0 28 0; #X connect 1 1 2 0; #X connect 2 0 28 0; #X connect 3 0 10 0; #X connect 3 1 4 0; #X connect 4 0 10 1; #X connect 5 0 19 0; #X connect 6 0 9 0; #X connect 6 1 7 0; #X connect 7 0 9 1; #X connect 8 0 13 0; #X connect 9 0 8 0; #X connect 12 0 25 0; #X connect 13 0 20 0; #X connect 16 0 8 0; #X connect 17 0 18 3; #X connect 18 0 22 0; #X connect 19 0 6 0; #X connect 20 0 14 0; #X connect 21 0 19 1; #X connect 22 0 1 0; #X connect 22 1 0 0; #X connect 23 0 20 1; #X connect 25 0 18 0; #X connect 26 0 27 0; #X connect 27 0 25 0; #X connect 28 0 3 0; #X restore 77 111 pd framebuffer; #X obj 52 61 == 0; #X obj 57 253 pix_image; #X obj 57 425 pix_texture; #X obj 57 305 alpha; #N canvas 649 274 317 324 openpanel 0; #X obj 114 62 inlet; #X obj 114 253 outlet; #X obj 114 125 openpanel; #X msg 114 184 open \$1; #X connect 0 0 2 0; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #X connect 3 0 1 0; #X restore 68 225 pd openpanel; #X floatatom 91 333 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 57 472 sphere 5.5 50; #X obj 57 171 r gemhead; #X obj 57 361 rotateXYZ; #X obj 57 393 translateXYZ; #X obj 57 277 colorRGB 0.67 0 0.1 1; #X obj 68 201 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 77 85 spigot; #X obj 125 -7 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 1; #X obj 50 14 t a a; #X obj 125 12 t f f f; #X floatatom 180 254 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 164 40 s \$0-switch; #N canvas 6 47 450 300 gemwin 0; #X obj 64 22 inlet; #X obj 73 225 gemwin; #X msg 0 93 0 \, destroy; #X msg 51 137 border 0 \, FSSA 8 \, create \, 1; #X msg 73 162 reset \, offset 1600 0 \, dimen 1024 1024; #X obj 64 44 sel 0; #X obj 91 70 t b b; #X connect 0 0 5 0; #X connect 2 0 1 0; #X connect 3 0 1 0; #X connect 4 0 1 0; #X connect 5 0 2 0; #X connect 5 1 6 0; #X connect 6 0 3 0; #X connect 6 1 4 0; #X restore -98 33 pd gemwin; #X obj -98 11 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1 1; #X obj 7 87 spigot 1; #X text -74 10 1___; #X text 91 200 2__Open Image; #X text 180 -10 3__ switch btw normal \; and pix_buffer rendering; #X connect 1 0 17 0; #X connect 2 0 0 0; #X connect 3 0 23 1; #X connect 4 0 13 0; #X connect 5 0 9 0; #X connect 6 0 11 0; #X connect 7 0 4 0; #X connect 8 0 11 2; #X connect 10 0 4 0; #X connect 11 0 12 0; #X connect 12 0 5 0; #X connect 13 0 6 0; #X connect 14 0 7 0; #X connect 15 0 2 0; #X connect 16 0 18 0; #X connect 17 0 23 0; #X connect 17 1 15 0; #X connect 18 0 3 0; #X connect 18 1 15 1; #X connect 18 2 20 0; #X connect 19 0 13 4; #X connect 22 0 21 0; #X connect 23 0 0 0; smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] install Pd on ubuntu without internet; video-playback codec windows?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-06 19:08, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > > Well, there's still chroot, but that's too hard to use. Any other ideas > for how to install a .deb in one's $HOME without needing sudo ? $ dpkg -x pd.deb . alternatively $ ar x pd.deb $ tar xvzf data.tar.gz fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7eZB8ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvS1KQCg01BXhP1zWrCAHA9OZf0jYDur 0LcAoNENbDmaB5N+IcUod7KwsgG8PXu2 =PYtz -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] installing debs as user (was Re: install Pd on ubuntu without internet; video-playback codec windows?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-06 22:53, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > Le 2011-12-06 à 20:06:00, Andy Farnell a écrit : >> On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:29:31 -0500 (EST) >> Mathieu Bouchard wrote: >> >> I think IOhannes refers to unpacking a Debian source package >> so you can do a local build (in home directory). > > I think *I* was asking about binary packages. Well, I only assumed we > were talking about binary packages. I don't know why we would be talking > about source packages at all, at this point ! > i was talking about binary packages as well. maybe i missed some point though. if you are asking how to _properly_ install a package without root priviliges, then i believe that this is impossible, given that the very nature of "properly" installing a package means writing to parts of the disk where unproviliged users are not allowed to write to. that's by design. anyhow, in my personal experience not many packages will actually execute any scripts in the pre-/postinstall process; e.g. of the 3600 packages installed on my system, only 1800 come with a postinst script. of those, at least 900 are virtually the same and only call "ldconfig" (after installing a library). if the package in question indeed contains a preinst/postinst script, you can extract that with $ ar x pd.deb $ tar xvzf control.tar.gz $ ls postinst fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7fKnMACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSaFQCfUEi/uhxFZy/mk0EHxD/lLFOw s8wAoMzcCQD01r9ZroGzuvs69i0dyRuw =5gp0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] installing debs as user (was Re: install Pd on ubuntu without internet; video-playback codec windows?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-07 09:57, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > disk where unproviliged users are not allowed to write to. that's by design. .. unprivileged ... > > anyhow, in my personal experience not many packages will actually > execute any scripts in the pre-/postinstall process; e.g. of the 3600 > packages installed on my system, only 1800 come with a postinst script. > of those, at least 900 are virtually the same and only call "ldconfig" > (after installing a library). what i mean is, that most pre-/postinstall scripts deal with either easing the upgrade of a package (e.g. configuration files need to be migrated) or making the system aware of updates within the package (e.g. tell the linker cache that new libraries are there; install system wide menu entries). the former is no problem if you don't _upgrade_ your package. the latter could be helped by rebooting the machine. > fgmasdr > IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7fLVAACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTdCACfX0ka/hkujaBbX8FpPq6AuW3L oTQAn3Euxul3VLnr5hrZwv3ydciF7+WD =Vp86 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] installing debs as user (was Re: install Pd on ubuntu without internet; video-playback codec windows?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-07 16:53, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > Le 2011-12-07 à 09:57:00, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit : > >> if you are asking how to _properly_ install a package without root >> priviliges, then i believe that this is impossible, given that the >> very nature of "properly" installing a package means writing to parts >> of the disk where unproviliged users are not allowed to write to. >> that's by design. > > Then what do you think that the --root option allows to do ? for installing in chroots. > >> > The other 900 are still 25 % of them... quite significant. > i didn't say anything about the content of the remaining 25% (mainly because i though i had better things todo than to check the postinst scripts on my system); esp. i did not want to imply that 25% of my packages have postinst scripts that do significanlty more than calling "ldconfig". mgasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7fjqoACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRkQACfVsB3iqjK9vPIqZ7Ka0AlJE6A /mMAoLGN5G2WvXGRmrfYSfKMR/in2yiL =c/Eo -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] extended -> vanilla
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-11 21:50, Jean-Christophe Sekinger wrote: > Hello > Is there somewhere _abtractions_ of most popular pd-extended _objects_, > for vanilla (f.e. from zexy, iemlib, or other librairies?) all most popular pd-extended externals[*] can be found as vanilla abstractions at https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/externals/zexy/abs objects not found in this collections are not so popular. ghgsft IOhannes [*] i assume that with '"objects"' you mean externals. in Pd-lingo however, "obect" usually means a patchable 'rectangle' (with or without iolets) found in your patch. they can be implemented as abstractions or externals. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7luEwACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvR7BwCfVtJare3IfEc0yJp9mLo5XUiH jB0AoIqjBC8kk+NVBplDgG5JCdkGfhhm =HK3k -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd at startup creates 2 canvases, why?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-11 21:22, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > I stand corrected. So, the next question is, is it considered "good > coding practice" to explicitly call destructors, or is this one of those > quod libet kinds of things? "explicitely calling destructors" is a bit vague in this context. you question should rather be termed: "is it considered 'good practice' to explicitely call destructors on exit". anyhow, i believe "good practice" depends on a number of factors; so you cannot simply say that using CamelCase is good practice whereas using hungarian notation is bad practice. personally, i prefer if the program does call dtors on exit, since there are a number of ressources that cannot be automatically freed by the operating system due to their very nature. if your Pd-patch controls the facilities in your flat, you might want it to shut off the light if the patch is powered down in order to save energy. the operating system most likely will not send the appropriate commands to your arduino fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7lv2kACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQWxACdHaYtDyHwMWomp3PCzPLSYSzA xiMAoMWlvetU+NUl3c3cogIGysr3LMYQ =VuWS -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] extended -> vanilla
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-12 16:27, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > > But [lop~] [clip~] and such, are not external. They're said to be > internal or built-in. > > And then their definitions are classes, whereas their instantiations are > objects. oh yes of course. seems like i was not fully awake. anyhow, i assume that jean-christophe meant something like "atomic objects that cannot be opened by clicking on them" when he was talking about "objects". fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7mHfwACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQavACgrapmblhQtSQXyqS29m9XGGLz ZVcAoKdn5J8cPph05CNPMKZ2IH0ITW+A =kADF -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [gemwin] - Storing window-shots and changing view?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-12 22:19, Sebastian Valenzuela wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have two big questions regarding the graphics object [gemwin]: > > How does one change the focus of the graphics window? > For example, we are using a computer video camera to look at the surface of > a pepperoni pizza (in real time), but i want to change the view so that all > you see is one pepperoni slice in the graphics window (still a square > window/image). > > Also, How does one go about temporarily storing an image/frame of the live > video going through the graphics window object? > For example, now that i have the piece of pepperoni in view, i want to > capture ONLY this portion of the entire pizza/live video stream. > > I am new to [gemwin], but would like to implement it into an audio/video > installation due next week. Any help would be greatly appreciated! if you are new to [gemwin], you might want to checkout the help-patch of it. it should mention something along the lines of "view". for your 2nd problem you might want to have a look at the examples/02/*snapshot* patches. in short [pix_snap(2tex)], [pix_write(r)] and [pix_record] are the key objects here. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7nC54ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSXuwCgwWMdZDdVZBJbKc4aPdb3cNVm mxsAni7Sx7CvWdHFhuA73In9yTRWhmf0 =/nuW -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] showing text or number in gem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-19 02:33, Jack wrote: > > Good to know that the problem about this 'bogus pointer' comme from the > font. definitely not. > Yep, on Linux (I don't know on other OS) you have to specify the path > to your vera.ttf (by default) in file > path. Gem always needs to find the truetype font in order to be able to render a text. it will look for the default font "vera.ttf" in all search-paths of Pd, including the the patch's home. ghm,sdft IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7vN+YACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSrtACguKa75BywxsQZTNL+6L/m/O29 ViQAn05hBI0QOnw876rWvrxxi78K+auf =gCoR -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
