Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

> With regards to Gemnotes - the notation system you saw - it is my current >nightmare since I have the first performance of the first piece that uses it >in >2 weeks, and I'm still coding the external that manages it. Also, I've found >that to run enough TTF objects in GEM to render a score ta

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Sun, 16 Jan 2011, Ed Kelly wrote: With regards to Gemnotes - the notation system you saw - it is my current nightmare since I have the first performance of the first piece that uses it in 2 weeks, and I'm still coding the external that manages it. Also, I've found that to run enough TTF obj

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

tudio 3 still available at http://sharktracks.co.uk/ > > > -- > *From:* J bz > *To:* Ed Kelly > *Sent:* Tue, 4 January, 2011 10:01:08 > *Subject:* Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd > > Hi Ed, > > Hope you don't mind me writing to you directly

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

bz To: Ed Kelly Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 10:01:08 Subject: Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd Hi Ed, Hope you don't mind me writing to you directly... I was following this thread with interest, and have been checking your 'teasers' for your upcoming project with much inter

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

.uk/puredata Liam: Party From: J bz To: Ed Kelly Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 10:01:08 Subject: Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd Hi Ed, Hope you don't mind me writing to you directly... I was following this thread with interest, and have been checking your

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

--- On Tue, 11/16/10, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > From: Mathieu Bouchard > Subject: Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd > To: "João Pais" > Cc: "pd-list" > Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 7:20 PM > On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, João Pais > wrote: >

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

Absolutely, he can't (and that can be a good thing). How do you know how a staccato in a Beethoven piano sonata really sounds? Even if you get the right instrument (not a piano, but a pianoforte, and a specific model at that), you would have to go to the propper room where it should be performed (

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, João Pais wrote: Absolutely, he can't (and that can be a good thing). How do you know how a staccato in a Beethoven piano sonata really sounds? Even if you get the right instrument (not a piano, but a pianoforte, and a specific model at that), you would have to go to the p

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Sun, 14 Nov 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: non-linear form - music where the audience can scrub (and ultimately overwrite) moments of pretension and/or rigidity during the performance of a piece. funny, I thought it had to do with multidimensional calculus (which has something called «linea

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Mon, 15 Nov 2010, patko wrote: That could be a complicated question, because I'm not sure to have used to good word, for describing who in the future will be able to have a clue about what is wrote on the paper, and this is also influenced by what E. Varese said about music in the future, i

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

- "Mathieu Bouchard" a écrit : > On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, patko wrote: > > > particulary Xi for flûte, > > http://james-ingram-act-two.de/stockhausen/Xi/sxia1l.html > > I just noticed the parts in IPA (phonetic alphabet). > [y] [ø] [œ] > > First time I see those on a score. Interesting. >

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

particulary Xi for flûte, http://james-ingram-act-two.de/stockhausen/Xi/sxia1l.html I just noticed the parts in IPA (phonetic alphabet). [y] [ø] [œ] First time I see those on a score. Interesting. not that new, has been around since the 60s. for the few composers that work with that and not

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

--- On Sun, 11/14/10, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > From: Mathieu Bouchard > Subject: Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd > To: "patko" > Cc: "pd-list" , "João Pais" > Date: Sunday, November 14, 2010, 8:54 PM > On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, patko w

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, patko wrote: particulary Xi for flûte, http://james-ingram-act-two.de/stockhausen/Xi/sxia1l.html I just noticed the parts in IPA (phonetic alphabet). [y] [ø] [œ] First time I see those on a score. Interesting. Also, how a composer would do when he need to build his own s

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, João Pais wrote: I didn't see Mathieu's object yet, but just a small opinion about mouse-dragging (or mouse events): afaik, the graphical display of musical elements in open music et al is just a display, just an expressive way of looking at numbers. I'm not sure if these s

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, patko wrote: I'm thinking about additions, by using a dimension value for the number of notes in a scale, and a value corresponding with alteration, so G major scale would look like this [7 # 0 0 0 1 0 0 0(. You don't need to write the "7 #" part, because you are already s

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

Just remembered these anecdotical pieces http://megalego.free.fr/pd/scoregame/ it's old and ugly, but you might get fun, and it's topic related. no need for externals, works better on vanilla, the pd-extended interface isn't able to handle this as fluid as vanilla -- Patrice Colet __

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd [OT]

Right. And, for the sake of argument, let's assume that we can precisely reproduce the sonic/cultural setting you were referring to in your Beethoven analogy, and we hear the staccato in that setting. What's the relevance of that experience for a performer who wants to interpret that staccato in

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

--- On Wed, 11/10/10, João Pais wrote: > From: João Pais > Subject: Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd > To: "patko" , "Jonathan Wilkes" > Cc: "pd-list" > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 11:52 PM > >> Absolutely, he can't (

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

Absolutely, he can't (and that can be a good thing). How do you know how a staccato in a Beethoven piano sonata really sounds? Do you mean "how a staccato in a Beethoven sonata sounded to an audience member listening to the composer himself play it"? Because I don't at all understand what it me

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

--- On Wed, 11/10/10, João Pais wrote: > From: João Pais > Subject: Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd > To: "patko" > Cc: "pd-list" > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 12:55 PM > > we can have a few examples in > here: > &g

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

2010 11:55:17 Subject: Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd > we can have a few examples in here: > > http://james-ingram-act-two.de/stockhausen/stockhausenScores.html ah, didn't know he had these examples, weren't there last time I visited this site. > particulary Xi for fl

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

we can have a few examples in here: http://james-ingram-act-two.de/stockhausen/stockhausenScores.html particulary Xi for flûte, http://james-ingram-act-two.de/stockhausen/Xi/sxia1l.html he use exactly the same notation shown in your preview picture, thank you for showing it. Those are samp

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

we can have a few examples in here: http://james-ingram-act-two.de/stockhausen/stockhausenScores.html ah, didn't know he had these examples, weren't there last time I visited this site. particulary Xi for flûte, http://james-ingram-act-two.de/stockhausen/Xi/sxia1l.html he use exactly the

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

in that case, I'll have little interest in your solution. Hey, I'm making an abstraction, which you can modify to make it work the way you want, and I promise to accept your version in GridFlow (though perhaps under a different name). What's wrong with that ? nothing, it's quite nice. I'm just

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

The INScore project is also cross-platform (Linux, MacOS, Windows). Controlled using OSC, build over the Guido Engine, it extends the music score to arbitrary graphic objets and gives a temporal dimension to all of them. It provides graphic synchronization between the components, interactio

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

I had an idea for the mouse dragging that I don't know how hard is to implement. How about making the object behave like the number atom, that is, if the user click and drag, the notes will go up and down chromatically (or in the scale choosen) and if the user shift+click+drag the notes would m

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

About the key signature (armadure), if the user choose, for instance, the key of G major (with the f-sharp) and click+drag the mouse it will get only the seven notes from the G major scale? if thats the case I really think that one important option should be the chromatic scale and in that case the

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

Can we have a view of one of these pieces written with "modern notation"? just to have a clue about what we are saying in here. I've played several pieces where composers like K. H. Stockhausen used their own notation, not based on a standard, in fact there is no standard for microtonal music b

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

Hi all, I'm a bit late to join this discussion... This is just to mention some open source projects of interest regarding the music notation topic. First the GUIDO project (http://guidolib.sourceforge.net/) that already includes a Pd external and next the INScore project (http://inscore.source

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

If i'm not mistaken, in PWGL and OpenMusic the user can choose if he or she wants to display all the notes as sharps (dièse) or flats (bémol) and then change each note to its enharmonic pair if wanted. What I supouse would be the best choice is to have a kind of message that you send to the

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

Also you might be interested by this: http://strasheela.sourceforge.net/strasheela/examples/Output/05-MicrotonalChordProgression-ex9.preview.png we see microtones indicated by signs upside the note, not in the armature, neither on the ladder, this is clean, easier to read than microtonal 'fla

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, João Pais wrote: in that case, I'll have little interest in your solution. Hey, I'm making an abstraction, which you can modify to make it work the way you want, and I promise to accept your version in GridFlow (though perhaps under a different name). What's wrong with th

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

- "Mathieu Bouchard" a écrit : > On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, patko wrote: > > > Hello, we dont put accidental alterations to armature, we usually > put it > > before a note, and eventually in parentheses. > > Hello, I'm talking about which armature should be considered implied > when > trying to

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, patko wrote: Hello, we dont put accidental alterations to armature, we usually put it before a note, and eventually in parentheses. Hello, I'm talking about which armature should be considered implied when trying to display a note. E.g. suppose I have an [armature] object

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

The armature could be set by telling which scale is played from C major 0 then is no alteration, let says we follow the fifth cycle, then 1 would be one sharp, and then G major, 2 two sharps and then D major, etc, when we arrive after F sharp we come to bémols, so 7 would be like -6 the D bémol m

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don't forget that chromatic pitches is just a small fraction of what's available. Don't forget that I have little interest in microtonal. Don't forget that this is an abstraction, and you can either modify it to support microtonal and I accept, or you modify it and I refuse the changes and yo

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

Hello, we dont put accidental alterations to armature, we usually put it before a note, and eventually in parentheses. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt%C3%A9ration_%28solf%C3%A8ge%29 - "Mathieu Bouchard" a écrit : > On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > You could have a meth

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

Not all, if you follow the fourth cycle you don't have a B bécarre but a C flat - "Mathieu Bouchard" a écrit : > On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, Caio Barros wrote: > > > - wich note I want in wich way. suggestion: [accidental 1 0 1 0 0 < > > > meaning c-sharp, e-flat, f-sharp, a-flat and b-flat. What

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On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, Caio Barros wrote: - wich note I want in wich way. suggestion: [accidental 1 0 1 0 0 < meaning c-sharp, e-flat, f-sharp, a-flat and b-flat. What would be extremely nice is if the user could change those options after the note is displayed, dynamically. But this does not h

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, João Pais wrote: don't forget that chromatic pitches is just a small fraction of what's available. Don't forget that I have little interest in microtonal. Don't forget that this is an abstraction, and you can either modify it to support microtonal and I accept, or you mod

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: You could have a method that sets accidental type. Zero for flats, 1 for sharps. Yeah, but I think it should be a manner that can be expanded to future support for armatures of any kind. (Are there scores that use accidental flats and accidental

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Well, normally I use midi note numbers or a transposed version thereof (especially : midi note minus a multiple of 12), but in this case, I have only implemented «white keys», Oupse, to be clear, I mean that I numbered them 0=Do 1=Ré 2=Mi 3=Fa 4=

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

2010/11/8 João Pais > About the scale, do you have problems with midi note? I believe this >>> would be the most compatible with other functions. >>> >> >> Well, normally I use midi note numbers or a transposed version thereof >> (especially : midi note minus a multiple of 12), but in this case,

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On 6 Nov 2010, at 18:16, Jaime Oliver wrote: > Hi all, > > I once made a draft of an object to convertpitch/duration pairs to lilypond. > At this stage, you get a score.txt, the contents of which you have to copy to > a lilypond document (.ly) and typeset the score. It doesn't do any of the

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

About the scale, do you have problems with midi note? I believe this would be the most compatible with other functions. Well, normally I use midi note numbers or a transposed version thereof (especially : midi note minus a multiple of 12), but in this case, I have only implemented «white keys»,

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Nov 7, 2010, at 11:49 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Caio Barros wrote: About the scale, do you have problems with midi note? I believe this would be the most compatible with other functions. Well, normally I use midi note numbers or a transposed version thereof (especiall

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Caio Barros wrote: About the scale, do you have problems with midi note? I believe this would be the most compatible with other functions. Well, normally I use midi note numbers or a transposed version thereof (especially : midi note minus a multiple of 12), but in this ca

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On 7 Nov 2010, at 10:23, João Pais wrote: > > As I said, this project seemed to me to be nice, and it's also at an advanced > stage. http://sourceforge.net/projects/inscore/ > Indeed! Wow, inscore (Interlude Score) seems to be another incredible project from GRAME. Thanks for the link. Very

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Caio Barros wrote: This looks just awesome! Unfortunately I'm not at home this week and I don't have linux down here. Is there a way to use SVN under windows? Getting SVN to run under windows might be the easiest step. After that you have to compile the library. The hardes

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

I just tryed INScore and it looks fantastic, although I don't know yet if it can send information to Pd, how it handles microtonal information, etc. The problem I see is having that separate window to display the results. Right now I'm convinced that the ideal would be to have a display insid

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

patko: > We usually set scale by transposing to the fifth (the major scale seven > half tones upper) for adding a sharp, > and to the fourth (the major scale five half-tones upper) for adding a > flat > Now I'm confused. What does Mathieu meant by "scale"? I tought it was just what number corres

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

Ed that's really madness! but it does look great, I'd be curious to see the patch. M > Yes, it's madness to try this through dynamic patching, but I'm getting > pretty > far (see screenshot) > > -- Marco Donnarumma aka TheSAD Independent New Media Arts Professional, Performer, Teacher Ongoi

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that makes sense, now it's not the time to stop. maybe for the next piece (or not) :) I only tried the windows version, but inscore should work for all plattforms, I think (or I'm misunderstanding something). Yep, you're probably right. I hate this project already, since it's given me a

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

Yep, you're probably right. I hate this project already, since it's given me a summer of frustration while I attempt to look after a 1-year old child while trying to get my head around segmented counts and automatically adjusted beams. The latter is solved, the former is in an emacs window next

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

I know about non-techsavy classical players, I wrote the click tracker for them - http://puredata.info/Members/jmmmp/click-tracker. of course you shouldn't send any cryptical commands to anyone who isn't interested in getting them. But for example packaging inscore into the same folder as y

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

- "Caio Barros" a écrit : > About the scale, do you have problems with midi note? I believe this > would be the most compatible with other functions. > > 2010/11/7 Mathieu Bouchard < ma...@artengine.ca > Hi, I just made a slider for a musical note on a stave, but I haven't > decided what

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

> Since there are already some projects going through in this area (e.g. pwgl > or >inscore), wouldn't it > make sense to try to integrate with these, or try to help them, instead of >reinventing the wheel? Perhaps, but consider this: The performer I am working with is a percussionist, and ex

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That's a really neat and clever little object that musicians will immediately love. a. On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 23:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Thu, 4 Nov 2010, Caio Barros wrote: > > > Hello guys. I've been dreaming about an object that would display > > musical notation and ou

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: Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd > I'm not a programmer and don't want to disencourage you, but I don't know if >you're really picking the > > right surface/tools for this. would it make sense to unite forces around an >other project? Well...that might

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

that looks a nice beginning (I can't try it now). But I would say that in order to make a "complete" object, it should be possible to - render complex musical structures (including microtonal pitches, dynamics, articulations, rhythms, polyphony ...) - get instructions from pd and/or from othe

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> I'm not a programmer and don't want to disencourage you, but I don't know if >you're really picking the > > right surface/tools for this. would it make sense to unite forces around an >other project? Well...that might have been an option, but the first concert is already organised, in less

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

I don't know if you already see this website: http://music.columbia.edu/~alessi/ it has an e-mail but is very outdated... that mail bounced. it's current employer has his name on a list, but no mail contact. I still think you could do all the CAC 'l

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

This looks just awesome! Unfortunately I'm not at home this week and I don't have linux down here. Is there a way to use SVN under windows? About the scale, do you have problems with midi note? I believe this would be the most compatible with other functions. 2010/11/7 Mathieu Bouchard > On Thu,

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010, Caio Barros wrote: Hello guys. I've been dreaming about an object that would display musical notation and output data (like midi numbers for instance). Hi, I just made a slider for a musical note on a stave, but I haven't decided what to do with the scales. Look at this :

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

> 2010/11/5 João Pais > do you have his contact? for some reason, brasilian universities don't have > the contact of their teachers on their pages. > I don't know if you already see this website: http://music.columbia.edu/~alessi/ it has an e-mail but is very

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I correct myself, (haven't looked at this for a while) you get a score.lydirectly, which you open with lilypond and typeset. best, J 2010/11/6 Jaime Oliver > Hi all, > > I once made a draft of an object to convertpitch/duration pairs to > lilypond. At this stage, you get a score.txt, the conte

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

Hi all, I once made a draft of an object to convertpitch/duration pairs to lilypond. At this stage, you get a score.txt, the contents of which you have to copy to a lilypond document (.ly) and typeset the score. It doesn't do any of the fancy drawing in the patch. It is an unfinished object for s

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, João Pais wrote: I'm not a programmer and don't want to disencourage you, but I don't know if you're really picking the right surface/tools for this. would it make sense to unite forces around an other project? [gf/gl] offers a different model for producing geos for GEM. I

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

2010/11/6 Aykut Caglayan : > Did you try Fomus? > http://fomus.sourceforge.net/ > it's supposed to be used with Pd too. > Fomus is very functional to transpose numerical data flow into musical > notation. > FOMUS would be the simplest way, I guess. Just write a temporary text file and call FOMUS t

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I'm not a programmer and don't want to disencourage you, but I don't know if you're really picking the right surface/tools for this. would it make sense to unite forces around an other project? Another one! I'm working on a full system of music notation display for GEM if that's any help. P

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

Did you try Fomus? http://fomus.sourceforge.net/ it's supposed to be used with Pd too. Fomus is very functional to transpose numerical data flow into musical notation. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http:/

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

From: Caio Barros To: PD list Sent: Thu, 4 November, 2010 16:03:50 Subject: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd Hello guys. I've been dreaming about an object that would display musical notation and output data (like midi numbers for instance). I found a discutions about s

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do you have his contact? for some reason, brasilian universities don't have the contact of their teachers on their pages. http://maringa.academia.edu/MarcusAlessiBittencourt Marcus Bittencourt did some work in this direction: http://www.rem.ufpr.br/_REM/REMv11/13/13-bittencourt-puredata.html

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João: what you are saing sounds good, but in that discussion I could hardly see how that object works. No, you have to follow the links, install it and try it out. That's how I got to see it. Then you'll see in some examples (if they all work) how complex it can be. For now is used for d

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Oh yes, and another thing is that I want eventualy to use microtonal intervals too. I believe that using those programs as a midi interface doesn't work for that, am I right? 2010/11/5 Caio Barros > João: what you are saing sounds good, but in that discussion I could hardly > see how that object

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João: what you are saing sounds good, but in that discussion I could hardly see how that object works. Bernardo: That looks awesome and is almost in the same direction I had in mind (I was definetly thinking in CAC programms) too bad article doesn't have a download link, I wonder if that program c

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

This is an interesting topic... but just to give you another direction/point of view, as I'm not sure exactly what your final aim is. You can hook up any jack-aware program that does notation to Pd via midi (for e.g. Rosegarden or even MuseScore) this, can be both ways (Pd could send midi data

Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd

Marcus Bittencourt did some work in this direction: http://www.rem.ufpr.br/_REM/REMv11/13/13-bittencourt-puredata.html ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

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Oi Caio, someone posted a new object in development in the pd-dev list last month. This can be quite good, and if I remember correctly, it allows musicxml, and works on all platforms - http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2010-10/016136.html. I guess anyone with the knowledge can a