Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-12 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
On 02/11/12 23:19, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2012-02-11 à 21:25:00, Max a écrit : we looked into the private accommodation option as well but decided against it because the convention took place during the summer break and parallel to the bauhaus-summer school. the summer school did pay for

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-12 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2012-02-12 à 11:31:00, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit : a thought from a participant (and i guess that i'm among those raising the average age): while i very much enjoyed staying in private accomodation in mtl, i think it is even nicer for the participants to team up and live together (whether

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-12 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Feb 12, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2012-02-12 à 11:31:00, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit : a thought from a participant (and i guess that i'm among those raising the average age): while i very much enjoyed staying in private accomodation in mtl, i think it is even nicer

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-12 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
On 02/12/12 17:09, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: That's my memory of it too. Plus that place was tomb-silent, I felt already bad enough coming into a nunnery at 3am after drinking ;) so it turns out after years, that i didn't miss so much after all...cool :-) fgmadsr IOhannes

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-12 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2012-02-12 à 17:18:00, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit : On 02/12/12 17:09, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: That's my memory of it too. Plus that place was tomb-silent, I felt already bad enough coming into a nunnery at 3am after drinking ;) so it turns out after years, that i didn't miss so

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-11 Thread Marco Donnarumma
Would it be feasible to have a log of all pd-ext libraries and their objects, each time a new stable version is released? Such a list would probably be overwhelming, but at least a good place where to start. M Having a static table of objects that informs the user what's included in the

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-11 Thread Marco Donnarumma
Hans, you're right I'll add some projects myself, to start with. I'm still keen to work on the css, but last time I got no answer about access privileges to the plone platform. I'll get this on the web list and try again, IOhannes, shall we try something about it? cheers, Marco On Sat, Feb

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-11 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Someone could easily script that, especially now that Jonathan has been adding the metadata to so many help patches, and almost all the libraries are in libdir format, which means every object has its own help patch. Then they could post that to a page on puredata.info, flossmanuals.net or on

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-11 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I replied on the pdweb list. If anyone is interested in the working on the website, that's the place for the discussion on that topic. .hc On Feb 11, 2012, at 5:45 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: Hans, you're right I'll add some projects myself, to start with. I'm still keen to work on the

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-11 Thread João Pais
jonathan has already wrote a script for that (I think), maybe it's better to ask him directly. besides that, the most complete list is my excel file, which was made by manual copy-paste, and therefore will never be up to date. How about making a script from Jonathan's script that generates a

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-11 Thread João Pais
That table came from a static solution itself - I copy-pasted every one of those entries (and many more which didn't get in) - into an excel file first, which I use for myself. Pasting the most relevant parts of that file to a wiki format was my main contribute to the floss manual. But it's

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-11 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
of the 4th Pure Data Convention jonathan has already wrote a script for that (I think), maybe it's better to ask him directly. besides that, the most complete list is my excel file, which was made by manual copy-paste, and therefore will never be up to date. Yeah that was actually a pd patch

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-11 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2012-02-08 à 04:50:00, Max a écrit : FUNDING: Getting the necessary funding was certainly the issue I personally spent the most time on. We had an overall budget of around 17.000 EUR. [...] That budget is less than a third of what the convention in Montréal had available. It's easy to

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-11 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Feb 11, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2012-02-08 à 04:50:00, Max a écrit : FUNDING: Getting the necessary funding was certainly the issue I personally spent the most time on. We had an overall budget of around 17.000 EUR. [...] That budget is less than a third of what

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-11 Thread Max
El 11.02.2012, a las 19:01, Mathieu Bouchard escribió: Le 2012-02-08 à 04:50:00, Max a écrit : FUNDING: Getting the necessary funding was certainly the issue I personally spent the most time on. We had an overall budget of around 17.000 EUR. [...] That budget is less than a third of what

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-11 Thread Marco Donnarumma
-list@iem.at; Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention jonathan has already wrote a script for that (I think), maybe it's better to ask him directly. besides that, the most

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-11 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2012-02-11 à 21:25:00, Max a écrit : we looked into the private accommodation option as well but decided against it because the convention took place during the summer break and parallel to the bauhaus-summer school. the summer school did pay for people subletting and thus had already

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-11 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Max abonneme...@revolwear.com Cc: PD list pd-list@iem.at Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention Le 2012-02-11 à 21:25:00, Max a écrit

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-11 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2012-02-11 à 18:06:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : I'd prefer a self-coding system where you just have to write the documentation. Actually, we'd prefer a self-coding self-documenting system in which we would just have to be armchair theoricians writing witty remarks on the mailing-list.

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-11 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
: Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention Le 2012-02-11 à 18:06:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : I'd prefer a self-coding system where you just have to write the documentation. Actually, we'd prefer a self-coding self-documenting system in which we would just have

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-10 Thread Pagano, Patrick
abonneme...@revolwear.com; PD list pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention My students are terrified of Pure data. They fear linux too. Out of ten grads per year it used to be 1 or two would endeavor

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
It would be great if someone took on making the website nicer. The framework that's there is pretty solid, it just needs someone to come and give it the finishing touches. Some of this can be broken down into many little tasks. In the past year or two, I've been working on trying to make

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
, February 7, 2012 10:50 PM Subject: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention Dear list and Pure Data community, I'd wanted to write this down since a few months now and finally had the chance to do so. To welcome you in Weimar and Berlin in August has been a great pleasure

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Max abonneme...@revolwear.com; PD list pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention The FLOSS manuals book

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-09 Thread Marco Donnarumma
Hi folks, it's a pity nobody is taking on the important issues advanced by Max. I see this actually fitting in a general refrain (and I include myself here) to discuss topics like: our Pd flagship website gives people a unnecessary hardship, or the social network culture has since long time now

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-09 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
abonneme...@revolwear.com To: PD list pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 10:50 PM Subject: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention Dear list and Pure Data community, I'd wanted to write this down since a few months now and finally had the chance to do so

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-09 Thread Pagano, Patrick
: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention There are still a lot of sticking points with Pd for new users-- someone recently wrote the list asking where all the objects are that are listed in the FLOSS manual.  At least some of those objects have to be downloaded/installed

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-09 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
...@revolwear.com; PD list pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention My students are terrified of Pure data. They fear linux too. Out of ten grads per year it used to be 1 or two would endeavor to learn

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-09 Thread Peter Brinkmann
: Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention My students are terrified of Pure data. They fear linux too. Out of ten grads per year it used to be 1 or two would endeavor to learn GEM. Now a few more are interested because

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-09 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention Some random thoughts on various topics that have come up so far: * Being afraid of Pd: Usability experts like to talk about things like discoverability and constraints, and most users have been taught to expect user interfaces that tell them

[PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-07 Thread Max
Dear list and Pure Data community, I'd wanted to write this down since a few months now and finally had the chance to do so. To welcome you in Weimar and Berlin in August has been a great pleasure for us. The Pure Data community has proven to be a diverse, inspiring and very thankful audience.