Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-28 Thread Simon Wise
On 28/09/12 12:48, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: I'm referring to what Hans wrote: For me, apt-get install pd-arraysize is far easier than trying to remember that [expr] trick. And thankfully we can write externals, so we can have choice. :-) exactly ... Not exactly-- you were

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-28 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back! On 28/09/12 12:48, Jonathan Wilkes wrote

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On 09/28/2012 12:57 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: - Original Message - From: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-28 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back! On 09/28/2012 12:57 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: - Original Message - From

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-28 Thread Simon Wise
On 29/09/12 00:57, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: So if you think the debian repos are the first place to look, then you would agree they are the first place I look for a file I am missing, so if someone referred to [arraysize] I'd check if I have it available by: $ apt-file search arraysize.pd

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-28 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back! On 29/09/12 00:57, Jonathan Wilkes wrote

[PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-27 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 If someone wants to write patches that work on vanilla anywhere, then there is a point. If people are already using Pd-extended or Debian then I honestly don't see the point, arraysize is already there, like many other externals. For me, apt-get

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-27 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back! -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-27 Thread Miller Puckette
Sorry to further complicate this - I'm now trying to design a multipurpose object array for pd vanilla that would allow one to say [array size] and use table or data structure arrays intercahngeably. I think though, that rather than marking arraysize as obsolete one could simply note that it has

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-27 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back! Sorry

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-27 Thread Miller Puckette
Subject: Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back! Sorry to further complicate this - I'm now trying to design a multipurpose object array for pd vanilla that would allow one to say [array size] and use table or data structure arrays intercahngeably. Interesting

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-27 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Sounds like a good complication :). I think a general array toolkit would be very useful. I'm not a fan of expanding the use of Tcl syntax in Pd tho (i.e. commands with subcommands). Pd syntax is nice and simple with always the first word being the command and the rest being the args. [list

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-27 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back! On Thu

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-27 Thread Miller Puckette
Hmm... I agree there's bad confusion between array and table in Pd nomenclature. I've tried to use table for a specifically floating-point array, and array for the more general thing, but I think I've been less than consistent (case in point, the array menu which creates what I would call a

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-27 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back! Hmm... I agree there's bad confusion between

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-27 Thread Miller Puckette
The [table] object could be vastly extended: [table foo] would be equivalent to [tab define foo] and you could say for instance, [tab define foo -struct my-struct -save -range 0 100] If you're not requiring the user to name the array z and requiring z to have a float field y then you

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-27 Thread Simon Wise
On 28/09/12 03:23, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: And who is this mythical user that looks to the Debian repositories to figure out how to do something in a programming language? (Hm, I'm not getting audio output, let's open up Synaptic and search 20,000 mostly non-related packages for a solution...)

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-27 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-27 Thread Miller Puckette
Subject: Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back! The [table] object could be vastly extended: [table foo] would be equivalent to [tab define foo] and you could say for instance, [tab define foo -struct my-struct -save -range 0 100] If you're not requiring

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-27 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back! On 28/09/12 03:23, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: And who is this mythical user that looks

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-27 Thread Simon Wise
On 28/09/12 11:38, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: - Original Message - From: Simon Wisesimonzw...@gmail.com And who is this mythical user that looks to the Debian repositories to figure out how to do something in a programming language? (Hm, I'm not getting audio output, let's open up

Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

2012-09-27 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back! On 28/09/12 11:38, Jonathan Wilkes wrote