Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-30 Thread Varun Nair
The software works by taking a 'feed' off your default playback device on Windows so its really easy to setup (to clarify, I didn't work SoundWire, I only used it for this project). Have Pd running as you would and just make sure the the SoundWire client is running. On the phone you can get

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-29 Thread Simon Wise
On 29/04/13 01:36, o...@onyx-ashanti.com wrote: I implemented a version of an idea that had been done several times in the past ... a silent disco, where there are two djs playing to wireless headsets over 2 different channels ... with all sharing the same physical space. The result is

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-29 Thread o...@onyx-ashanti.com
the audio side was just standard wireless hifi headphones, using lots of headphones but only two of the transmitters. The interesting part technically was the bike powered generators, but the 2 channel headphones dance floor and double DJ thing was lots of fun. ah, nice. very clever! would love

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-29 Thread august
onyx, I would also check out the latency in the browser audio player. I somehow suspect that is where you are acquiring the largest portion of buffers and latency. I'm unsure, however, if you can even access and set the incoming buffer there. If not, you might have to write your own audio

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-28 Thread o...@onyx-ashanti.com
I implemented a version of an idea that had been done several times in the past ... a silent disco, where there are two djs playing to wireless headsets over 2 different channels ... with all sharing the same physical space. The result is quite fun, in our case it was in a public square and was

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-28 Thread o...@onyx-ashanti.com
I recently worked a on a project where we wrote a custom OSC Android app that sent control data to the patch and an app called SoundWire that received audio on the phone and ran in the background. All communication was over a WiFi network we setup. Latency did obviously exist but it was

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-27 Thread Simon Wise
On 27/04/13 05:38, o...@onyx-ashanti.com wrote: On Apr 26, 2013 10:08 PM, katjakatjavet...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Onyx, What is your aim, do you want to entertain your (physically present) audience via smart phones instead of PA system? Actually it a sonic space I want to explore. To play to

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-27 Thread katja
On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Btw-- are you sending compressed or uncompressed audio? Uncompressed, 16 bit ints. Compression requires analysis, introducing extra latency. I'm not using it in practice yet, as I still have to find (or develop) a

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-27 Thread Varun Nair
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Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-27 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: katja katjavet...@gmail.com To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Phil Stone pkst...@ucdavis.edu; pd-list Pd-list@iem.at Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency On Sat, Apr

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-26 Thread IOhannes zmölnig
On 04/25/2013 04:36 PM, o...@onyx-ashanti.com wrote: Thanks for getting back to me do quickly. Is there a network audio object (s) that can output standard formatted audio? i've started writing an RTP infrastructure for Pd [1], though it currently only supports uncompressed audio. RTP is a

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-26 Thread Charles Goyard
IOhannes zmölnig wrote: i've started writing an RTP infrastructure for Pd [1], though it currently only supports uncompressed audio. RTP is a pretty standard protocol, and latency can go down to a few ms. there are also RTCP components. May I add that firewalls have a tendency to kill

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-26 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: IOhannes zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency On 04/25/2013 04:36 PM, o...@onyx-ashanti.com wrote: Thanks for getting back to me do

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-26 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: katja katjavet...@gmail.com To: o...@onyx-ashanti.com onyxasha...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list Pd-list@iem.at; Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency Hi

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-26 Thread Phil Stone
martin.pe...@sympatico.ca Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency Hi Onyx, What is your aim, do you want to entertain your (physically present) audience via smart phones instead of PA system? I have a similar quest pending

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-26 Thread katja
...@sympatico.ca Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency Hi Onyx, What is your aim, do you want to entertain your (physically present) audience via smart phones instead of PA system? I have a similar quest pending: to send

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-26 Thread o...@onyx-ashanti.com
On Apr 26, 2013 10:08 PM, katja katjavet...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Onyx, What is your aim, do you want to entertain your (physically present) audience via smart phones instead of PA system? Actually it a sonic space I want to explore. To play to people on their own personal bionic ear. Click and

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-26 Thread o...@onyx-ashanti.com
Why not send FUDI to a box connected directly to the PA system? The sound space is the headphone s.I want to use the digital sonic space to play in live. And there Afr so many smartphones in circulation that it is viable as a presentation platform now. And if it isn't. I can always connect to a

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-26 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: katja katjavet...@gmail.com To: Phil Stone pkst...@ucdavis.edu Cc: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com; pd-list Pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency Yeah, sending FUDI

[PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-25 Thread o...@onyx-ashanti.com
Greetings! I hope all is well with you. I wanted to ask if i might gain some of your insight on a project i am undertaking. I am currently attempting to stream my audio into html5 capable web browsers of smartphones. i have created a local network and installed nginx as my webserver. i and a

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-25 Thread Martin Peach
Well, [udpsend~] is meant to work with [udpreceive~], so you really have to run Pd on both ends of the connection. Of course you are free to modify the code to make it work with your setup -- that would mean integrating [udpsend~] into the server and [udpreceive~] into the clients' browsers,

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-25 Thread o...@onyx-ashanti.com
Thanks for getting back to me do quickly. Is there a network audio object (s) that can output standard formatted audio? On Apr 25, 2013 4:32 PM, Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca wrote: Well, [udpsend~] is meant to work with [udpreceive~], so you really have to run Pd on both ends of the

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-25 Thread Martin Peach
On 2013-04-25 10:36, o...@onyx-ashanti.com wrote: Thanks for getting back to me do quickly. Is there a network audio object (s) that can output standard formatted audio? I don't know. netjack? The thing with browsers is they run TCP, which is not good for low-latency audio. Maybe you want

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-25 Thread august
Onyx, Interesting idea. What kind of threshold are you looking for regarding latency? I assume this would be for a local network, right? If I were you, I would first try to fine-tune your current setup by getting all latency variables as low as possible (icecast, pd+oggcast~, and the html

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-25 Thread s p
Or you could try a different approach. Instead of streaming the audio, generate it client-side ... example, this performance that I did last week-end with WebPd : https://vimeo.com/64514693 2013/4/25 august aug...@alien.mur.at Onyx, Interesting idea. What kind of threshold are you looking

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-25 Thread o...@onyx-ashanti.com
cool video. I dont know if my synthesis and performance system would work from a server and if it did, i doubt i would get the 2-5ms latency i am comfortably getting now. is webpd able to deal with heavy patches? the idea sounds interesting. what is the realtime latency of webpd in real

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-25 Thread s p
WebPd isn't able to deal with really heavy patches. In fact that performance was running the biggest patch I've ever tried with it, you can judge by yourself whether that's heavy : https://gist.github.com/sebpiq/5462949 I would say the biggest problem with WebPd right now is its lack of objects.

Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency

2013-04-25 Thread o...@onyx-ashanti.com
I was just wondering. would it be possible to use the mp3streamout~ object to stream directly to a modern browser? to make it listen for the stream somehow, without shout/icecast, and just play? shouldnt it be as simple as; pd to mp3streamout mp3streamout to port number port to (i dont