Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-23 Thread Dan Wilcox
n Wilcox mailto:danomat...@gmail.com>> > Date: December 23, 2014 at 3:16:12 AM EST > Subject: Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help > patches & issue list) > > > > On Dec 23, 2014 1:53 AM, "Dan Wilcox" <mailto:danomat...@

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-23 Thread Ivica Bukvic
On Dec 23, 2014 1:53 AM, "Dan Wilcox" wrote: > > You know guys, all I’m saying is perhaps there’s a way to move forward with the spirit of Pd-extended with the practicality of making it easy to use the extended externals with vanilla. In no way was I trying to say what you’re doing or not doing wi

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-23 Thread Ivica Bukvic
On Dec 23, 2014 1:06 AM, "Jonathan Wilkes" wrote: > > One thing I'll add-- Pd-extended already includes within it the ability for individual libraries to be compiled "a la carte" in the way Dan desires. Any library adhering to the "libdir" format will have a standard makefile that can be used to

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-22 Thread Dan Wilcox
You know guys, all I’m saying is perhaps there’s a way to move forward with the spirit of Pd-extended with the practicality of making it easy to use the extended externals with vanilla. In no way was I trying to say what you’re doing or not doing with pd-l2ork is wrong. This line "I assume l2or

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-22 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
One thing I'll add-- Pd-extended already includes within it the ability for individual libraries to be compiled "a la carte" in the way Dan desires.  Any library adhering to the "libdir" format will have a standard makefile that can be used to compile the binaries.  They'll end up in the same di

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-22 Thread Ivica Bukvic
On Dec 22, 2014 10:23 PM, "Dan Wilcox" wrote: > > >> On Dec 22, 2014, at 2:55 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: >> >> Unless you want an enormous number of patches in the wild to bit-rot, you're going to have a "Install Pd-extended libraries" button. If you have that button, then presumably at least _o

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-22 Thread Dan Wilcox
> On Dec 22, 2014, at 2:55 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > > Unless you want an enormous number of patches in the wild to bit-rot, you're > going to have a "Install Pd-extended libraries" button. If you have that > button, then presumably at least _one_ person is going to need to build and > te

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-21 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Unless you want an enormous number of patches in the wild to bit-rot, you're going to have a "Install Pd-extended libraries" button.  If you have that button, then presumably at least _one_ person is going to need to build and test the whole enchilada, no? Btw-- are there poisonous spiders lurki

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-21 Thread Dan Wilcox
Yes, I'm suggesting this approach as an alternative to continuing Pd-extended, mainly because I don't see anyone willing to dig into the extended source to update/maintain it. I've considered doing this myself, but it's really too much for one person, as we've already seen. I see a "Max-clone"

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-21 Thread Alessio Degani
I'm with Dan, First of all, we need a svn/git/... repository with working (multi-platform??) Makefiles. Then, we have to fix the help files with a common style. Only after that we can start to think how to distribute/install them on pd-[vanilla|l2ork]. And stuff like defining metapackages li

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-20 Thread Dan Wilcox
If we separate the externals into repos with a standardized Makefile, I imagine they should build fine for both vanilla and l2ork. I see overlap here that’s more advantageous then having all the former Pd-extended externals being maintained on Sourceforge and updated on Github for l2ork. Again,

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-20 Thread Ivica Bukvic
On Dec 20, 2014 2:05 PM, "Alexandre Torres Porres" wrote: > > cool, so I supose we could share this cleanup process... right? > > I see a lot here about pd-l2ork, I've never used it cause I'm not on Linux but it looks like it could be an alternative to extended if it could also run in windows/mac

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-20 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
cool, so I supose we could share this cleanup process... right? I see a lot here about pd-l2ork, I've never used it cause I'm not on Linux but it looks like it could be an alternative to extended if it could also run in windows/mac OS. I'm assuming this has been asked/discussed before over here, b

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-20 Thread Ivica Bukvic
FWIW, a good chunk of this cleanup is currently taking place in pd-l2ork. Namely, we are looking for redundant objects which are then disabled and replaced by legacy abstractions where possible or linked to other objects with identical or near identical functionality (again, where possible); we are

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-19 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
Yep Alessio. It's time to mean business. So I volunteer *1. Identify which externals to include in the repo (for linux users, the folder /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra can be a good starting point)* The Pd extended libraries is a good starting point for all OS users, I guess. Not that I love all that

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-19 Thread Alessio Degani
At this point I think that we can start to talk about technical stuff like roadmap, tasks, volunteers recruitment and so on :) The basic steps, IMHO, can be: 1. Identify which externals to include in the repo (for linux users, the folder /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra can be a good starting point)

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

2014-12-18 Thread Alessio Degani
On 18/12/2014 20:34, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 12/18/2014 08:16 PM, Samuel Burt wrote: 1. Opening a patch with [import cyclone] would automatically download the i *strongly* oppose to anything that automatically connects to the internet and fetches or submits data. I totally agree with you